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		<title>By: MzNicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>MzNicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;right-wing, sexphobic troll.&lt;/i&gt;

Mork: You talkin&#039; to me? Man, are YOU rattlin&#039; the wrong cage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>right-wing, sexphobic troll.</i></p>
<p>Mork: You talkin&#8217; to me? Man, are YOU rattlin&#8217; the wrong cage.</p>
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		<title>By: J. A. Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9914.html#comment-633590</link>
		<dc:creator>J. A. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Have we heard from Derbyshire yet, or is he &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=05&amp;year=2006&amp;base_name=when_pedophiles_attack&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;down in the basement watching Sailor Moon&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In all likelihood, he&#039;s been rewinding and rewatching all the panty flashes ten times each. At least. Oh, and don&#039;t touch the remote - it&#039;s probably very sticky right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Have we heard from Derbyshire yet, or is he <a href="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=05&amp;year=2006&amp;base_name=when_pedophiles_attack" rel="nofollow">down in the basement watching Sailor Moon</a>?</p></blockquote>
<p>In all likelihood, he&#8217;s been rewinding and rewatching all the panty flashes ten times each. At least. Oh, and don&#8217;t touch the remote &#8211; it&#8217;s probably very sticky right now.</p>
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		<title>By: MarktheSpark</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarktheSpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MzNicky:
Yes, I read Dworkin&#039;s &quot;work&quot;, between bouts of hysterical laughter.

Sorry I&#039;m unwilling to STFU, right-wing, sexphobic troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MzNicky:<br />
Yes, I read Dworkin&#8217;s &#8220;work&#8221;, between bouts of hysterical laughter.</p>
<p>Sorry I&#8217;m unwilling to STFU, right-wing, sexphobic troll.</p>
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		<title>By: sagra</title>
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		<dc:creator>sagra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(sorry if I’m being insensitive to the pressures women are made to bear. I came thru a similar guilt thing when I came out and don’t have time for it anymore)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No problem, g.  I&#039;m just attempting, poorly, to point out a beautiful example of perfectly circular reasoning.  If you listen to them, you feel bad -- if you don&#039;t, you &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; bad.  Nothing like &quot;Hey look, I&#039;ve made my own choices and I feel great!&quot; could ever possibly penetrate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(sorry if I’m being insensitive to the pressures women are made to bear. I came thru a similar guilt thing when I came out and don’t have time for it anymore)</p></blockquote>
<p>No problem, g.  I&#8217;m just attempting, poorly, to point out a beautiful example of perfectly circular reasoning.  If you listen to them, you feel bad &#8212; if you don&#8217;t, you <i>are</i> bad.  Nothing like &#8220;Hey look, I&#8217;ve made my own choices and I feel great!&#8221; could ever possibly penetrate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Althouse Considers Giving It Up For Christian Bale</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9914.html#comment-633263</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Althouse Considers Giving It Up For Christian Bale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Re: Cosmo for Five Year Olds   [Iain Murray]

To be fair, Kathryn, Black Canary has dressed in fishnet stockings, pirate boots, and a bustier since 1947. I&#039;ve never been sure why she hangs out with that &#039;60s leftie Green Arrow, though.&lt;/i&gt;

Translation: Iain wore a stripe of black electrical tape across his secret decoder badge when Black Canary married Green Arrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Re: Cosmo for Five Year Olds   [Iain Murray]</p>
<p>To be fair, Kathryn, Black Canary has dressed in fishnet stockings, pirate boots, and a bustier since 1947. I&#8217;ve never been sure why she hangs out with that &#8217;60s leftie Green Arrow, though.</i></p>
<p>Translation: Iain wore a stripe of black electrical tape across his secret decoder badge when Black Canary married Green Arrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Strider</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9914.html#comment-633227</link>
		<dc:creator>Strider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  I know the cover says it&#039;s Johanssen but it doesn&#039;t look like her to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  I know the cover says it&#8217;s Johanssen but it doesn&#8217;t look like her to me.</p>
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		<title>By: MajorKong</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9914.html#comment-633210</link>
		<dc:creator>MajorKong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure about K-Lo but I suspect Mona Charen is into the uniforms and bondage gear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about K-Lo but I suspect Mona Charen is into the uniforms and bondage gear.</p>
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		<title>By: lobbey</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone obsessed about sex this much (particularly Catholics IMHO) must have a secret, sordid sex life well hidden away. Is K-Lo actually a furry, or is it uniforms and bondage gear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone obsessed about sex this much (particularly Catholics IMHO) must have a secret, sordid sex life well hidden away. Is K-Lo actually a furry, or is it uniforms and bondage gear?</p>
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		<title>By: MzNicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>MzNicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MorktheSpork: Ever actually read any of Dworkin&#039;s work? Knew her personally, did ya? No, I didn&#039;t think so. So STFU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MorktheSpork: Ever actually read any of Dworkin&#8217;s work? Knew her personally, did ya? No, I didn&#8217;t think so. So STFU.</p>
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		<title>By: MarktheSpark</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9914.html#comment-633191</link>
		<dc:creator>MarktheSpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K-Lo&#039;s point that officially &quot;celibate&quot; conflicted gay men are the best to go to for sex advice seems pretty twisted, even for a &quot;conservative&quot;.

Freud pointed out how sexually repressed people take refuge in sublimation; finding some substitute for the &quot;evil&quot; activity they secretly desire yet fear. In K-Lo&#039;s case, one would assume the sublimation is steered into big, greasy portions of gravy-soaked beef. Perhaps that&#039;s some link to the &quot;absorb&quot; comments.

By the way, was she perhaps separated at birth from the anti-sex &quot;feminist&quot; (Heaven forefend) Andrea Dworkin? There is more than a superficial resemblance physically and emotionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K-Lo&#8217;s point that officially &#8220;celibate&#8221; conflicted gay men are the best to go to for sex advice seems pretty twisted, even for a &#8220;conservative&#8221;.</p>
<p>Freud pointed out how sexually repressed people take refuge in sublimation; finding some substitute for the &#8220;evil&#8221; activity they secretly desire yet fear. In K-Lo&#8217;s case, one would assume the sublimation is steered into big, greasy portions of gravy-soaked beef. Perhaps that&#8217;s some link to the &#8220;absorb&#8221; comments.</p>
<p>By the way, was she perhaps separated at birth from the anti-sex &#8220;feminist&#8221; (Heaven forefend) Andrea Dworkin? There is more than a superficial resemblance physically and emotionally.</p>
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		<title>By: Thursday</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9914.html#comment-633156</link>
		<dc:creator>Thursday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, for...  Trying again:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2304911.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Religion Report&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, for&#8230;  Trying again:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2304911.htm" rel="nofollow">The Religion Report</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thursday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thursday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I suggest a Catholic worth listening to?

a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2304911.htm&quot;&gt;Religion Report&lt;/a&gt;

He&#039;s discussing the exact same issue, but intelligently.  Oh, and he interviews his mom about her choices in contraception, which is an interesting choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I suggest a Catholic worth listening to?</p>
<p>a href=&#8221;http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2304911.htm&#8221;&gt;Religion Report</p>
<p>He&#8217;s discussing the exact same issue, but intelligently.  Oh, and he interviews his mom about her choices in contraception, which is an interesting choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Trilateral Chairman</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9914.html#comment-633138</link>
		<dc:creator>Trilateral Chairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;She explained about the hormone regulation, and since then, many of my girlfriends and female friends have remarked about being on it because it makes their periods regular, when irregular, and bearable, when extremely painful.&lt;/i&gt;

My wife used to have periods that were seven days long and so heavy that she&#039;d have to wear a tampon AND a pad (and change both every few hours).  I&#039;m not even mentioning the horrid cramps and the vomiting.  The pill put a stop to all of that.

I don&#039;t actually know the Catholic Church&#039;s position on the use of the birth control pill for reasons like that.  Maybe it&#039;s okay as long as you&#039;re not having sex, but my guess is that people like K-Lo would simply advise my wife to see her heavy periods as a message from God about original sin or some such thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>She explained about the hormone regulation, and since then, many of my girlfriends and female friends have remarked about being on it because it makes their periods regular, when irregular, and bearable, when extremely painful.</i></p>
<p>My wife used to have periods that were seven days long and so heavy that she&#8217;d have to wear a tampon AND a pad (and change both every few hours).  I&#8217;m not even mentioning the horrid cramps and the vomiting.  The pill put a stop to all of that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t actually know the Catholic Church&#8217;s position on the use of the birth control pill for reasons like that.  Maybe it&#8217;s okay as long as you&#8217;re not having sex, but my guess is that people like K-Lo would simply advise my wife to see her heavy periods as a message from God about original sin or some such thing.</p>
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		<title>By: annejumps</title>
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		<dc:creator>annejumps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well. I screwed that up. I was meaning to add in a thing about how there aren&#039;t many who convert to Catholicism, at least not when compared to other types of Christianity, but I wasn&#039;t sure about that and then I forgot it was in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. I screwed that up. I was meaning to add in a thing about how there aren&#8217;t many who convert to Catholicism, at least not when compared to other types of Christianity, but I wasn&#8217;t sure about that and then I forgot it was in there.</p>
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		<title>By: annejumps</title>
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		<dc:creator>annejumps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctorb, it&#039;s disingenuous is what it is. They want more bodies in the pews (and from what I know, there aren&#039;t many . Women having choices and calling the shots, if you will, puts a crimp in that. They don&#039;t actually give a shit about objectification, but it sounds like they&#039;re trying to be nice. Aw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctorb, it&#8217;s disingenuous is what it is. They want more bodies in the pews (and from what I know, there aren&#8217;t many . Women having choices and calling the shots, if you will, puts a crimp in that. They don&#8217;t actually give a shit about objectification, but it sounds like they&#8217;re trying to be nice. Aw.</p>
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		<title>By: cowalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctorb:
&lt;blockquote&gt;And I’m not really talking about sex as a commercial transaction, just wondering why out of all the other interactions between people it’s this one that’s singled out as “objectifying”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is a very interesting question. I sell the use of my brain from 9 to 5 to the people I work for. They are nice people, but they don&#039;t love me, nor do I love my job. This is not necessary as long as I get paid my salary. Why is sex different? Frankly, I&#039;m not so sure it needs to be. Very few people get to earn their living doing work they are very proud of and that they love to bits. Does there have to be huge drama and a swearing to lifelong committment accompanying every sexual encounter? If you believe so, why?  An awful lot of our assumptions about sex and relationships is learned, rather than innate behavior.

I think K-Lo/pope are living in the past, where the only model for a satisfying, mutual sexual relationship was marriage, where children would inevitably arrive, and the parents would have to be able to work together to raise them. Usually at least one parent would die at a relatively early age. With our long lives and the need to limit our family size, it&#039;s an insufficient model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctorb:</p>
<blockquote><p>And I’m not really talking about sex as a commercial transaction, just wondering why out of all the other interactions between people it’s this one that’s singled out as “objectifying”.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is a very interesting question. I sell the use of my brain from 9 to 5 to the people I work for. They are nice people, but they don&#8217;t love me, nor do I love my job. This is not necessary as long as I get paid my salary. Why is sex different? Frankly, I&#8217;m not so sure it needs to be. Very few people get to earn their living doing work they are very proud of and that they love to bits. Does there have to be huge drama and a swearing to lifelong committment accompanying every sexual encounter? If you believe so, why?  An awful lot of our assumptions about sex and relationships is learned, rather than innate behavior.</p>
<p>I think K-Lo/pope are living in the past, where the only model for a satisfying, mutual sexual relationship was marriage, where children would inevitably arrive, and the parents would have to be able to work together to raise them. Usually at least one parent would die at a relatively early age. With our long lives and the need to limit our family size, it&#8217;s an insufficient model.</p>
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		<title>By: Arky - Sexual Orient Express</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arky - Sexual Orient Express</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Str8 dudes.

I&#039;m totally sorry the word &quot;sex&quot; is within 500 miles of K-Load.  You&#039;ll probably need therapy before you can look at a woman and think of sex without thinking of K-Load.

I, on the other hand ... wait. What&#039;s happening? The S.O. just walked in the room and all I can think of are two giant eyebrows and about a dozen chins.

OH GOD HELP ME!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Str8 dudes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m totally sorry the word &#8220;sex&#8221; is within 500 miles of K-Load.  You&#8217;ll probably need therapy before you can look at a woman and think of sex without thinking of K-Load.</p>
<p>I, on the other hand &#8230; wait. What&#8217;s happening? The S.O. just walked in the room and all I can think of are two giant eyebrows and about a dozen chins.</p>
<p>OH GOD HELP ME!!</p>
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		<title>By: Doctorb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctorb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I actually mean is more like if two people are in the mood to have sex together, and aren&#039;t trying to churn out more sprogs, &lt;i&gt;a certain group of celibate men in dresses&lt;/i&gt; condemns this as &quot;turning a person into an instrument of pleasure&quot;.  Replace sex with a game of racketball, or going out for Chinese food, or going to the movies, or collecting porcelain figurines of famous Popes, and suddenly the other person is a person again and you&#039;re not just &lt;i&gt;using&lt;/i&gt; them as a &lt;i&gt;thing&lt;/i&gt;, even if you are only hanging out with them because it&#039;s better than eating in the restaurant &lt;b&gt;alone&lt;/b&gt; like some kind of &lt;b&gt;loser&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I actually mean is more like if two people are in the mood to have sex together, and aren&#8217;t trying to churn out more sprogs, <i>a certain group of celibate men in dresses</i> condemns this as &#8220;turning a person into an instrument of pleasure&#8221;.  Replace sex with a game of racketball, or going out for Chinese food, or going to the movies, or collecting porcelain figurines of famous Popes, and suddenly the other person is a person again and you&#8217;re not just <i>using</i> them as a <i>thing</i>, even if you are only hanging out with them because it&#8217;s better than eating in the restaurant <b>alone</b> like some kind of <b>loser</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctorb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctorb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I just don&#039;t get why you can&#039;t &lt;i&gt;just enjoy having sex with someone&lt;/i&gt; without it meaning that you think of them as some kind of &quot;object&quot;.  You know?  I don&#039;t really have a great deal of interest in the lives of the farmers I bought a bunch of peaches and nectarines from, right?  I pay them some money, they give me some fruit, nobody is upset that I&#039;m just &lt;i&gt;using&lt;/i&gt; them to get fruit.  

And I&#039;m not really talking about sex as a commercial transaction, just wondering why out of all the other interactions between people it&#039;s this one that&#039;s singled out as &quot;objectifying&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I just don&#8217;t get why you can&#8217;t <i>just enjoy having sex with someone</i> without it meaning that you think of them as some kind of &#8220;object&#8221;.  You know?  I don&#8217;t really have a great deal of interest in the lives of the farmers I bought a bunch of peaches and nectarines from, right?  I pay them some money, they give me some fruit, nobody is upset that I&#8217;m just <i>using</i> them to get fruit.  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not really talking about sex as a commercial transaction, just wondering why out of all the other interactions between people it&#8217;s this one that&#8217;s singled out as &#8220;objectifying&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Snorghagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snorghagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And dripping with santorum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Aieeeee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And dripping with santorum.</p></blockquote>
<p>Aieeeee!</p>
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