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More fun with bitter wingnut virgins
I tell ya, there’s nothing more creepy enjoyable than to read a bitter winger complain about the state of the dating scene these days. It gets even better when the winger in question puts all the blame on one side (i.e., women) for his lack of success. We can see this phenomenon in effect over at the Modern Conservative blog, where a wingnut calling hisself “The Stranger” bemoans the lack of “real” womenfolk populating the Yoo-Ess-Uv-Ay:
by The Stranger
Turn on the TV these days and what you see mostly are strident, angry women. In your face, particularly if it’s the face of a male. Sarcastically putting the males in their places. Lately, and increasingly, punching the lights out of the men when its called for and sometimes when its not - just to let the men know who the bosses are these days: WOMEN: THE NEW MEN!!!
Why is it that in most commercials being shown on TV the man is the goofball, the doofus? In family commercials Dad is the dummy of the household, butt of derision, the one who is lame, who needs to be brought up to speed, often by the kids in the family. And if they’re not the ones doing it, then there’s the man of the house - MOM!! - the authority figure, the one who wears the pants (think Hilary Clinton) - the one with the BALLS (again, think Hilary Clinton). Poor dad - he no longer knows best. Its all about mom now.
The silent majority, the oppressed, the disenfranchised, life force being discriminated against, and disrespected today - are men.
Indeed — why are there so few men in positions of power these days? It’s not enough that both presidential candidates are men, or that men comprise the majority of big-bucks CEOs, or that most members of the Supreme Court and elected members of Congress are men. No, none of that shit means nothin’: women got all the power today, man, as evidenced by the fact that I saw a couple of movies and I watch too much television. Dudes got it rough!
Man as hero - where has he gone? The closest thing we have these days to a heroic man are ….. males who appear to be geeks and nerds.
You don’t say. I’m surprised you don’t feel more flattered to be portrayed as heroic, then.
The real endangered species these days are guys who are admirable, comfortable in their own skins, masculine without trying to be - guys, in short, who feel no need to jump up and down on couches ( uhh - he ain’t one of ‘em).
Men who aren’t afraid to running around the woods dressed like elf mages, who bravely hurl deadly spell packets at villainous intruders, who have 17 strength and 16 dexterity…
In my opinion the losers in this equation are the women. In the name of equality and feminism- women have begun to act like men. Look at an old episode of Murphy Brown. Then look at a current episode of a show that’s on TV today, Boston Legal - and compare Candace Bergen in both shows. Formerly she sounded, in the quality of her voice, like a woman.
Yeah, but you crazy buggers hated her anyway because her character dared to have a kid out of wedlock…
Today she sounds like a MAN. Look at the clothes she wears on the show (again, think Hilary Clinton). She’s become manly…. A manly woman: The NEW WOMAN.
What’s being lost is the polarity between the sexes. La Difference: The celebration between the male energy and the female energy.
OK, we’ve definitely moved from “sorta based a little bit on some thread of reality” territory straight into “fuck it, I’ma make this shit up as I go” territory. I give him three paragraphs at the most before he starts breaking out the phrenology charts…
Men have noticed this. But aren’t saying anything, because its not politically correct. Today, political correctness means celebrating feminine empowerment (think Sex and The City, Desperate Housewives, Army Wives ad nauseum), woman as goddess etc. - all the Oprah bs.
You’ll notice what all these shows have in common — that’s right, they all feature sexually assertive women. Now I think we’re really getting to the core of Mr. Stranger’s anxiety — he’s done a-scurred of womenfolk who enjoy TEH SEXXXOR.
Men are hungry for women who make them feel good. About them being men ….about them being themselves….about there being women in the world that they can be friends with, associates with and sometimes lovers with….relishing all those qualities that women have always possessed that have captivated, and elevated us as men that I no longer see absolutely any trace of on afternoon talk shows or in my living room any more watching TV.
Oh, but this is charming! Women, in Mr. Stranger’s calculus, are supposed to spend their lives making men feel good about themselves! To act as a booster to their self-esteem! To help them avoid the perils of self-blame and shame spirals! Who knew that wingnuts had taken such a shine to the fruity-assed self-esteem movement???
I saw a Country & Western Awards show on TV some months ago. I noticed that all the women performers (Reba &co,) were singing songs that all had the same message: “I am woman, hear me roar” …“ I’m a powerful woman who doesn’t need a man” blah, blah, blah. At one point in the show Country superstar George Strait sang a song “HOW ABOUT THEM COWGIRLS.” And just for a moment - there it was! A man singing about the beauty that is WOMAN. Celebrating it ….singing about it/ admiring and loving the all that is the feminine energy in a country song. WOW!! He nailed it! He stopped the show.
You’ll notice that all of Mr. Stranger’s examples of manhood/womanhood so far come from watching television. I don’t know about the rest of you, but teevee is generally the last place I want to go when I want to be in touch with, you know, reality and whatnot.
I saw the faces of the men AND THE WOMEN in the audience. It was a moment - a baptism of LOVE / POLARITY and MUTUAL ADMIRATION- a celebration of the polarity between the male and the female energy!
OK, WTF. When did this turn from a bitter wingnut rant into a third-rate Ms. Cleo advert? Do I dare to hope that Mr. Stranger will end this post by writing, “And if ya want advice on dat relationship, chile… CALL ME NOW!!!”
The truly, truly great love stories that I have seen in a motion picture theater like CASABLANCA, A PLACE IN THE SUN, GONE WITH THE WIND, (The French Film) HAPPY NEW YEAR, SOUNDER, SLEEPLESS IN SEATTLE, (even) THE ENGLISH PATIENT to name just a very few - are all centered around a man and a woman who love one another and whose love, each for the other is a COMPLEMENT the audience bears witness to that is the very essence of the grace that exists at the very center of who and what we are as human beings, male AND female: TOGETHER.
Sleepless in Seattle??? Are you fucking kidding me??? The movie where Meg Ryan bloody stalks the dude she’s after??? That movie is a good example of true love????
Yes, indeed and Amen, too. We need more a that kind of celebratin’. We need more a that: men being just men - and women actin’ like …. well, then, there, now …… ACTIN’ LIKE WOMEN….INSTEADA’….. LIKE MEN.
There’s nothing I can really add to this, since it’s hard to argue with a guy on a CAPS-LOCK RAMPAGE like Mr. Stranger is. And really, why bother arguing with someone who’s so obviously the Perfect Man: insecure, has an affinity for fruity movies, prone to fits of emasculated rage, talks about relationships using bizarre New Age bullshit… I mean, hellllllllooooooo, ladies!!!!
Rightwingsnarkle said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:30
Hey, Stranger (if that is your real name) - chicks don’t dig whiny guys. So quit whining already.
Wanker.
gbear said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:41
At one point in the show Country superstar George Strait sang a song “HOW ABOUT THEM COWGIRLS.” And just for a moment - there it was! A man singing about the beauty that is
WOMANCOWS.Fixed.
This guy really does base 110% of his worldview on television shows. I wonder if he’s ever gone anywhere out of uniform?
cleter said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:43
Dude, I don’t think your lady problems are Candace Bergen’s fault. I think it might be related to you wearing your costume from the dinner theatre production of “Spartacus! The Musical!” all the damned time. It’s not as chick-magnet-y as you might think.
gbear said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:44
I have never forgiven the man who took me to see ‘Sleepless In Seattle’ on a date. Jim, if you’re out there, I still hate you for those two hours.
noen said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:45
Why is it that in most commercials being shown on TV the man is the goofball, the doofus?
Boy that is a new one. I don’t think I’ve ever heard that complaint before at all.
Brad said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:45
Those aren’t actually pics of him, just to be clear… they’re what I imagine he looks like though…
Bas-O-Matic said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:52
Why is it that in most commercials being shown on TV the man is the goofball, the doofus? In family commercials Dad is the dummy of the household, butt of derision, the one who is lame, who needs to be brought up to speed, often by the kids in the family. And if they’re not the ones doing it, then there’s the man of the house - MOM!! - the authority figure, the one who wears the pants (think Hilary Clinton) - the one with the BALLS (again, think Hilary Clinton). Poor dad - he no longer knows best. Its all about mom now.
Because mom is the person that tends to actually buy the things in those commercials so, you know, they’re is supposed to appeal to her.
Moron.
gbear said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:52
Well I still want to see the guy in that second photo riding around on this: http://www.scootervillemn.com/scooters/kymco/grand_vista_250.html
Cruel Jest said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:54
Brad
You have quite the archive of Geek Gladiators photos. They pop up constantly. I mean, I’m certain there’s a logical explanation. Right?
Some Guy said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:56
“woman as goddess etc. - all the Oprah bs.”
Someone misses his ‘Leave it to Beaver’ bs.
Jrod said,
July 7, 2008 at 1:56
There’s no more polarity between the sexes because women have been known to assert themselves on occasion and a soap commercial has a dad who’s an idiot. This is why THE STRANGER sits at home all day watching television. The wo-MEN out there are frightening, what with their pants and shoes and other manly accoutrements.
Seriously though, I’ve never had any trouble identifying Candice Bergan as a woman, no matter how she talks. There are certain subtle hints that reveal this, though I admit that leaving the house occasionally gives me an unfair advantage over THE STRANGER in this regard.
J— said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:00
The images of Kali are a nice touch. So scary!
His Grace said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:02
Wait a minute… did this guy just hold up Gone with the Wind as a movie about true love with man and woman complementing each other? This is yet another example of “are you sure you were watching the same thing I was?”
mikey said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:04
.relishing all those qualities that women have always possessed that have captivated, and elevated us as men that I no longer see absolutely any trace of on afternoon talk shows or in my living room any more watching TV.
I’m not sure what the distinction is here. Does he only watch afternoon talk shows in the bedroom? Not up until four or five?
Does he only watch afternoon talk shows as part of the studio audience?
How is watching tv in his living room different from watching afternoon talk shows? Dammit, I gotta know!
And as part of the larger question, all of the things he says he wants he could have in a relationship with a strong, independent, assertive woman. Umm, if she only didn’t scare him and cause him to piddle all the time.
‘Cause dood. VERY few women find that sexy.
Oh, there are a few. But you’re gonna ruin a lot of pants and evenings out hoping to find them…
mikey
Will said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:07
Speaking of virgins, Virgin Ben Shapiro is getting married tomorrow. Call him the Virgin Ben while you still can.
noen said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:09
Jrod
There’s no more polarity between the sexes…
You know, that Time Cube guy has a similar rant.
cleter said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:12
When I watched “Gone with the Wind,” I couldn’t get over the fact that Scarlett couldn’t see that Ashley Wilkes was gay, gay, gay. I guess Mr Stranger saw something different–the director’s cut, maybe.
David Robinson said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:12
What is that freak talking about? A Place in the Sun is about a man who murders a poor woman who is pregnant with his child so that he can marry a wealthy heiress.
DrDick said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:13
Why do I have the feeling that this guy would have trouble getting a date with a paid escort? I really think he needs to establish a warm and lasting bond with his right hand, ’cause that is the only date he will ever have.
His Grace said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:13
Yeah, like they’re supposed to like in those commercials from Budweiser during football games.
I think this post was written after he bought two crates worth of axe body spray and because of the masculization of women, the chicks didn’t dig him.
Jrod said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:16
I’m trying to remember a time when afternoon talk shows were about elevating men. Maybe Springer, since it’s easy to feel elevated over a couple ugly trailer-trash rednecks getting into a fistfight over the affections of an equally ugly trailer-trash woman who ends up choosing the circus midget from the sideshow that’s always milling about on his stage.
Er… um, so I’ve heard anyway.
I’m also hard pressed to think of anything less “captivating” about a women than a complete lack of assertiveness and self-esteem, but then again I don’t spend my days hiding from fembots under the couch cushions.
klyde said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:19
Men are a majority?
OTB said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:24
He’s got a point. Why isn’t Michelle Obama six inches taller and a hundred pounds heavier than Barack, just like those wacky 70s black sitcoms? Everybody together now: DY-NO-MIIITE!
a different brad said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:26
Now now, let’s not blame the suit. I’m sure GWAR has groupies, and furries are notoriously horny.
fReichtard Synchronized Mastubation Squad said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:26
Dood, you totally don’t want to know what he was doing when he started with the run on sentences. As for why the CAPSLOCK key got stuck a few times…
MajorKong said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:26
Isn’t “modernconservative” an oxymoron?
lolly said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:31
Speaking of virgins, Virgin Ben Shapiro is getting married tomorrow. Call him the Virgin Ben while you still can.
Well, you probably still have a while. It’ll take him at least a week to read the “how-to” book he bought for the occasion.
The Netflix Stranger said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:32
Remember when Queen Amidala and Anakin totally got married? That was rad. Plus, she was pregnant, which means they had sex. But that was why she had to die, because she was a dirty slut who betrayed Anakin.
Remember when Princess Leia totally almost had sex with Luke Skywalker? That was rad. But, thankfully she didn’t, because they were brother and sister. But I still beat off thinking about it.
Remember Final Fantasy? That chick was totally hot. Even though she was a cartoon. I totally found some websites that had her getting reamed by a ten foot dragon shlong and some manga zombies. That was rad.
mikey said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:34
Someone should do a large-format coffee table book on a year in the life of a GWAR groupie.
Because when it comes to bodily fluids, the possibilities are endless…
mikey
MzNicky said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:35
“Sounder”?
That would be this Sounder?
Uh –
MajorKong said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:36
Just thought I’d point out that the guys who crucified Jesus wore those same uniforms.
MzNicky said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:44
Turn on the TV these days and what you see mostly are strident, angry women.
[Question: Why are men not "strident" when they're angry?]
In your face, particularly if it’s the face of a male.
He wishes.
Sarcastically putting the males in their places. Lately, and increasingly, punching the lights out of the men when its [sic] called for and sometimes when its [sic] not - just to let the men know who the bosses are these days.
’cause God knows it should be the other way around, and women have never ever had to sit through that sort of thing on TV and in movies.
MzNicky said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:47
The silent majority, the oppressed, the disenfranchised, life force being discriminated against, and disrespected today - are men.
Okay. Okay Brad, you had me goin’ there for a minute. You’re just makin’ shit up, right? Cuz this was just a leetle too over the top. Nice try though!
George Smiley said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:55
“Turn on the TV these days… Sarcastically putting the males in their places. Lately, and increasingly, punching the lights out of the men when its called for and sometimes when its not - just to let the men know who the bosses are these days: WOMEN: THE NEW MEN!!!”
Yeah, cos Wilma, Betty, Jane Jetson et al. were just so fucking deferential to Fred, Barney, and George. Things sure have changed.
Here’s an idea, Jackass: if you don’t like what’s on the teevee, turn the fucker off.
Arky - Sexual Orient Express said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:55
Silly Teh Stranger,* surely you know the Rainbow Velvet Abortosexual Mafia has taken over Madison Avenue. As part of our cunning plan to ANNIHILATE sock hops, puppy love, traditional marriage, and human life on Earth, we are gradually turning straight males in to figures of derision. Soon no woman will be able to look at a straight man without thinking “Yuck, whatta doofus,” and she’ll run off with her best friend from college, they’ll get hitched and sit around laughing at the time they nearly married a yucky doofus such as yourself.
Bwaha, motherfucker!
* I trust his handle bears no relation to A. “French Sissy Surrender Monkey” Camus’ L’Etranger.
Adorable Girlfriend said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:55
AG would love to go on a date with this guy. Oh man. AG would totally re-adjust that little attitude by dessert!!
Arky - Sexual Orient Express said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:56
Also, I swear I’ve seen the exact same schtick about guys being portrayed as doofuses in another Wingnut vivisection.
But that would mean Teh Stranger is a plagiarist. Never mind.
Carlo said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:14
“I’m surprised you don’t feel more flattered to be portrayed as heroic, then.”
This is a grave insult to well-meaning geeks and nerds everywhere. This will not stand.
mikey said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:20
The fact that mikey would LOVE to go on a date with Adorable Girlfriend has surprisingly little to do with the fact that she is adorable.
Although, frankly, if she was Mutant Burn Victim Girlfriend the ardor might be noticeably lower.
But honestly. It’s way more about the “Girlfriend” part than the “Adorable” part.
Honest…
mikey
Thursday said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:27
The number of original arguments in this theme were nicely summed up back at the top, there by noen:
The reason commercials show dad-as-doofus is because it sells. Unless The Stranger is against the free market…
noen said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:31
“The Stranger” also posts at Little Zio’s Movies.
Bean-Girl has some issues:
I don’t know but I think that back-ass magazines will survive.
mikey said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:39
See, this is completely logical.
The only sustainable way to preserve a liberal democracy for future generations is perpetual war.
Peace, as a goal, is wrongheaded and unproductive. Teach your children to hate, to kill, to enslave, to die hard with their guts in the dirt, and the future of america, with her values of “liberty and justice for all” is ensured.
Wait. You don’t suppose there’s something WRONG with that theory, do you?
Nope. Can’t see it…
mikey
Gundamhead said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:44
Wow! Marxists, Islamofascists AND regular Fascists (not even liberal) to?!? That’s quite a line up of evil. And all to steal my HDTV! If I had one that is. Hey, does that mean that when they do their fascist, according to sharia redistribution of wealth that I’ll be able to get one for free? Better not tear out those ads then…
paul said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:45
One-Adam-12, see the man, possible Posting While Drunk . . . .
This reads like a college kid who isn’t getting any with his lame high school moves and it’s all THEIR fault, the bitchez . . . .
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:46
Wow. Oh wow.
WTF is he talking about? That there’s nothing on TV showing women in submissive roles, who’s only purpose of existence is as sex objects? Dude must not be watching much TV. His examples of female empowerment are Sex and “why do we talk about men all the time, Desperate Housewives and Army Wives? I guess all that practice at ignoring reality can seriously affect the way you see things.
fardels bear said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:47
I’m sorry, I still can’t get over that the Virgin Ben is getting married. How many times will he have to apologize to his bride on their wedding night? The mind boggles.
Lesley said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:49
Something isn’t adding up here. On the one hand women have all the power over men and yet women are also acting like men. Men, according to this guy, are dorks, losers and victims. If women are acting like men wouldn’t this make them dorks, losers and victims too? Women have all the power and yet “women are the real losers.”
I’m confused.
Brandi said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:50
If he’s not one of those True Forced Loneliness guys, he will be soon.
Simba B said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:56
If he’s not one of those True Forced Loneliness guys, he will be soon.
That can’t be…is it real?
Tommykey said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:57
The Stranger must have hated those episodes of Battlestar Galactica with Michelle Forbes as the ballsy Admiral Cain.
“Oh my gosh! A ruthless woman in command of a powerful battle cruiser! It’s the end of the universe as we know it!”
Blue Buddha said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:57
Why is it that in most commercials being shown on TV the man is the goofball, the doofus? In family commercials Dad is the dummy of the household, butt of derision, the one who is lame, who needs to be brought up to speed, often by the kids in the family.
Yes, this is true… but then again when were commercials a reflection on reality? Also, this is only happens in commercials where the man is married. As others pointed above, those commercials are like this because their target audience is the housewife.
Another interesting thing to note about commercials is when they feature a black woman, she’s usually a no-nonsense matriarch who’s either cleverly trying to find a better deal or sees through the guise of someone trying to sucker her (usually her own children or a purveyor of “brand X”). Again, the commercial is aiming toward its demographic.
bayville said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:58
Hmmm.
Wonder if The Stranger knows “Place in the Sun” starredMontgomery Clift?
According to Clift’s biography written by Patricia Bosworth:
“”Monty had drifted into countless affairs with men and women. It suited his personality to have sex with a variety of partners. After the accident, Monty was often impotent, and sex became less important to him. His deepest commitments were emotional rather than sexual anyway, and reserved for old friends:”"
Lesley said,
July 7, 2008 at 3:58
Turn on the TV these days and what you see mostly are strident, angry women.
[Question: Why are men not "strident" when they're angry?]
MzNicky, I think the ‘man’ equates business attire, a 6-pack and muscular arms on a woman with anger. Strength=rage.
janefromhell said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:04
Brandi,
Yikes.
Billy Joe said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:08
This dork really knows how to telegraph his insecurity.
As George Smiley said, turn off the teevee. This guy should really get out of the house. Is he saying he can’t even find a ‘traditional’ woman at church? Why doesn’t he go to an evangelical church’s singles night or look for a girl on ‘Hannidate’? Such places must be full of non-manly women similiar in temperment & looks to Ann Coulter, bay buchannan, Mary Matlin, Michelle Malkin, et al. they aren’t strident (or angry) at all! if these women are too intimidating for him, may I suggest he peruse a mail order bride catalog? Even he ought to be able to handle one of those women who are only looking for a man who can provide them the financial stability they can’t find in their impoverished 3rd world countries.
Cheeto-munching dork.
El Cid said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:11
I keep on wanting to find a nice joke here in the thread, but it’s all so shockingly sad that it’s just not funny. Normally I’d like to be laughing at these jerks, but… it’s just awful.
MajorKong said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:17
I shudder when I think what this guy imagines a “traditional” woman to be.
Evan said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:25
I really love the fact that he upholds Queen Latifah as proof that he’s into black chicks.
Out of all the women to hold up and say “now there’s a lady who DIGS MEN…”
Nobody tell him. He’ll explode.
Me said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:25
If he’s not one of those True Forced Loneliness guys, he will be soon.
I suspect Pastor Swank of authoring that site. That is some “English” that has been tortured, renditioned, and sent on a secret flight to Bulgaria.
Ripley said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:27
Napolean Dynamite wept.
EnfantTerrible said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:28
Well, you probably still have a while. It’ll take him at least a week to read the “how-to” book he bought for the occasion.
“Wedding Night for Dummies”?
Brandi said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:32
That can’t be…is it real?
If they’re faking it they’re faking it to a degree that would be crazy in itself.
The big fat guy’s a particular favorite among snarky bastards I know.
Brandi said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:34
Followup: big fat guy’s name is apparently Dwayne Holloway and according to WHOIS lookup the TFL domain name is registered to him.
Arky - Sexual Orient Express said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:38
[Starts to fill out subscription card]
They might, Rabbit. They might.
justme said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:39
Completely off topic, but every fucking time I see Dougie fucking Feith (currently on 60 minutes) I want to stave his smirking, ass-cheek-squeezed face in with a three-foot length of one-inch rebar.
God, what a little shit.
I’m largely a pacifist, too. Him and Kristol, though, make me seriously reconsider that stance any time I see them.
Hey, would turning Feith’s head into tomato paste make me one of those manly-men The Stranger is talking about?
Red said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:45
I’m convinced this guy calls himself “The Stranger” because he likes to sit on his hand until it goes numb before beating off with it.
Superbly Anonymous said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:46
I honestly almost did an Edit->Find for the words ‘Asia’ and ‘Japan’ on the original article. It comes one or two arguments away from every wingnut (or proto-wingnut) justification I’ve ever seen for the (Call Said, I’m busting out the Big O) Orientalist Idealization of Asian women as some ideal standard of femininity which American women are not meeting.
GSD said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:46
Can someone punch this whiny queen right in the cock?
-Emily Post
MajorKong said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:47
I’m largely a pacifist, too. Him and Kristol, though, make me seriously reconsider that stance any time I see them.
I wish I could meet Bill Kristol some late night in a dark alley on the South Side of Chicago. Of course, I’d have to bring a jack handle and a tire iron with me - you just never know when someone might have a flat.
Me said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:49
I’m convinced this guy calls himself “The Stranger” because he likes to sit on his hand until it goes numb before beating off with it.
Whoa, I never thought of that. Not even when I was a teenager. How about half-strangling yourself while you beat off–has that been tried?
Jrod said,
July 7, 2008 at 4:50
Unless you’re a woman, in which case you’re just another example of the decline of civilization.
No comment on TFL. Even I’m not cruel enough to mock those sorry pathetic idiots.
gbear said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:00
They must realize that TFL also stands for Total Fucking Loser. They must see or hear it 20 times a day.
sanitas said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:02
Offended by the portrayal of a tv commercial dad as goofy? WTF? Is that even possible? The depths of his insecurity are bottomless.
Also, Virgin Ben is getting married tomorrow? Who gets married on a monday? Or is this another Seb induced time rift?
sanitas said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:05
@Billy Joe, would love to see The Stranger order himself up a bride from the Ukraine and spend the rest of his days getting his ass kicked by her.
gbear said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:05
Who gets married on a monday?
The marriage was a business decision.
GoatBoy said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:06
I was upset when I discovered my wife had become one of the New Men, thus relegating me to the role of the woman. But then I realized that, as the woman, I was now the New Man!
Take that, liberal media social engineering agenda!
ifthethunderdontgetya™²³®© said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:07
Will said,
July 7, 2008 at 2:07
Speaking of virgins, Virgin Ben Shapiro is getting married tomorrow. Call him the Virgin Ben while you still can.
Is he marrying Pastor Swank?
mextremist said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:08
real men take it in the ass.
Nylund said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:14
Fact 1: Advertisements are tailored to the show (or type of show) during which they air. This is why Saturday morning cartoons have sugary cereal ads and the Lifetime channel has more than its fair share of Tampax ads.
Fact 2: A common tactic for advertising feminine products (during feminine shows, see #1 above) is to belittle the male character. This is seen mainly in commercials for laundry detergent and other “female” products. It makes female viewers feel better about themselves (and hopefully they will associate this feeling with the advertised product).
Conclusion: “Stranger” must be solely be watching shows intended for the female audience (like Oprah, Ellen, etc.). You don’t see those male-humiliating commercials during Monday Night Football. Why not? Because advertisers know better than to insult their intended audience. In fact, those shows usually feature commercials where not-so-bright (but very young and cute) women fawn all over dorky guys because of the aftershave they use, the beer they drink, or the car they drive. Obviously, Stranger has not watched any shows intended for men in quite some time.
And what does he want? A return to the Reagan years where woman wore blazers with shoulder pads bigger than those used in the NFL? Are these the feminine images or yore he longs for?
Joe Max said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:15
“…life force being discriminated against…”
…and polluting the purity of our precious bodily fluids.
gbear said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:20
And what does he want? A return to the Reagan years,,,
Think ‘Eisenhower’.
Dead Aussie said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:32
Shut up, you insensitive bastard.
justme said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:34
Wouldn’t that make him “The Strangler”?
Besides, I don’t think he can afford both the gladiator outfit and the pair of wetsuits.
sapper said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:38
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+stranger
LOL.
ifthethunderdontgetya™²³®© said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:43
sapper said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:38
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+stranger
LOL.
This seems to be more information than I needed.
Stay offa my lawn, you durty kidz!
JGabriel said,
July 7, 2008 at 5:50
Experience?
.
SamFromUtah said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:00
Experience?
Could be, could be… or they just saw how well it worked to have the State of the Union address featuring one.
bago said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:00
Hey, The Stranger is a completely respectable newspaper that employs Dan Savage and some of my friends. DO NOT ASSOCIATE!
Me said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:06
It takes a special kind of obliviousness to miss what is actually the norm in popular cultural fiction–nerdy, semi-attractive men married to stunning women. Thank God. I’m not sure what I’d do without Bob Newhart to show me the way.
Advertising, like most other things in this country, is controlled mostly by men. If women really set the cultural agenda, our buddy “The Stranger” wouldn’t know what hit him. The occasional douche commercials during “The View” would be the least of his worries.
stryx said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:14
My guess is this guy is expressing the dissonance he is feeling from living the Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! lifestyle while having ad libitum access to YouPorn.
He’s worried that all those manly castrating bitchez are going to judge him and find him wanting, just like what happens to those hapless shitheels he identifies with on the TV.
I’ll bet he owns a handgun.
Daphne Chyprious said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:16
Well, I dunno. Anyone seen The Bill Engvall Show? And it’s true - lack of apostrophes notwithstanding - that no sitcoms emulate Father Knows Best anymore.
g said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:30
From the Arthur’s Viking site Dos and Don’ts for Manly Men:
DO - Have a chew in all night. If a chick hates tobacco she is not worth your time or effort.
wonder how that’s working out for him?
g said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:34
It takes a special kind of obliviousness to miss what is actually the norm in popular cultural fiction–nerdy, semi-attractive men married to stunning women.
and then there’s this guy
Wonder why these wingnut guys don’t ever mention him?
100 Cats said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:44
What is that freak talking about? A Place in the Sun is about a man who murders a poor woman who is pregnant with his child so that he can marry a wealthy heiress.
A Place in the Sun, was also based on a novel, An American Tragedy, by Theodore Dreiser, who also wrote a book called Sister Carrie about a Midwestern Girl who makes good in the Big City, and not by being shy, retiring, and scrupulous either.
(Even worse, at first I thought he was talking about the movie Duel In The Sun in which Gregory Peck and Jennifer Jones literally kill each other in a freaking duel in the sun.)
Seriously, I kind of doubt he’s ever actually watched Gone With the Wind. After all, Scarlett was always in trouble with the folks in her social class because she was acting like a man, running her own business and in general being the agressor, marrying men for money and vengeance. And that marital rape scene . . . of course, that’s probably why he thinks they complemented each other.
FFS
Matt T. said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:44
I was upset when I discovered my wife had become one of the New Men, thus relegating me to the role of the woman. But then I realized that, as the woman, I was now the New Man!
Hey, that’s pretty neat. We should hook you up to a generator.
real men take it in the ass.
Friend of mine was fond of saying that if God hadn’t meant for men to be occasionally fucked in the ass, he wouldn’t have put the male g-spot (the prostate) up there. He might be onto something.
And I ain’t been laid in three years. Should I worry about snapping and turning into one of these miserable dipsticks soon?
Candy said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:45
100 Cats was actually me, but I’m digging the 100 Cats nym so much I might just switch to it.
Candy said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:47
100 Cats is guilty of egregious comma abuse. Maybe I don’t wanna be her after all.
Matt T. said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:51
DO - Have a chew in all night. If a chick hates tobacco she is not worth your time or effort.
I once went to the World Champion Tobacco Spitting contest in Neshoba County, Mississippi. It was sorta weird, actually, ’cause they had all different categories like 18-34, juniors, seniors, little kids and, yes, a women’s category. Folks took it seriously, too, and some were even getting warmed up and psyching themselves up for competition. Rednecks are like that.
Anyhow, the women’s division was basically every female competing, from a 13-year-old to a half-dozen Tops dippin’ mawmaws. Years later, I told an entirely different friend from the one mentioned above about all this, including seeing the women with big ol’ dips in their mouths, drawing back and hurling a little gob of brown liquid into a cup 10 feet away. He was intrigued by such a girl, said he, because he figured if she kept that mess in her mouth all day she’d let him put anything in it at night. He was always saying shit like that.
SamFromUtah said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:52
Should I worry about snapping and turning into one of these miserable dipsticks soon?
No, because you’ve actually been laid.
g said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:55
“Gone With the Wind” that’s probably why he thinks they complemented each other.
Umm, part of the deal with “Gone With the Wind” was that Scarlett and Rhett actually didn’t have much in common other than having the hots for each other - over the arc of the story, Rhett first says that he and Scarlett share the same values of “me-first” and being survivors and pragmatic in defiance of the idealism of their peers and the common wisdom of their society, but as it moves forward, he learns that he actually is different than she is and he can’t stand her values. S he gives up Teh Hot Sex, and leaves her. You can belive that her “Tara…tomorrow is another day!” is all about the good earth of hojme, or you can believe that she is the fucking Queen of Denial, but in the end, its just a story about two people who were hot for each other but ended up not liking each other very much.
g said,
July 7, 2008 at 6:57
100 Cats is a pretty good nym.
I was thinking about Lucky Cat.
And - BTW, can I ask? Is “nym” what you young people now call that made-up name we use to sign our posts with?
Crowded House said,
July 7, 2008 at 7:17
“Speaking of virgins, Virgin Ben Shapiro is getting married tomorrow.”
So no insulting him on his wedding night. It’s not very often that a man finds the cardboard cut-out of his dreams.
Nix said,
July 7, 2008 at 7:19
heehee
WOW that was something! Well my two cents say he is shallow and only wants a “hot girl” but doesn’t know that you have to act like they are your ugly little sister to gettum naked. I would also guess that his mom wheres the pants in the family, but now thinks that a womans place is in the kitchen doing what she is told. (like her sitting around at home will pay the bills in the world I live in with us both working we can just make the bills each month) Also he flip-flops on himself at the end about being friends and lovers with women. I mean these are the same people that love rape jokes after all…….. (sigh)
The cry baby shit is old but the right are full of whiners after all.
Candy said,
July 7, 2008 at 7:21
And - BTW, can I ask? Is “nym” what you young people now call that made-up name we use to sign our posts with?
I think so. I’ve seen it referred to as such. But then again, I’m long into geezerhood and may not be aware of all the proper internet traditions.
You kids get offa my lawn.
thomas said,
July 7, 2008 at 7:44
Pretty much only women watch television any more. So who knows what goes on in there.
Apsalar said,
July 7, 2008 at 7:59
Nobody’s mentioned that he seems to have missed some plot elements in Casablanca too. Sure, Rock and Ilsa love each other. But… Ilsa doesn’t really love her husband, and she didn’t sit around mourning his (exaggerated) death very long before getting together with Rick in Paris, and she was all set to ditch Victor in Casablanca but Rick wouldn’t let her because he knew she’d eventually dump him too out of regret. These are not really exemplary wingnut values, here.
And his example of Gone with the Wind is just ridiculous. Scarlett doesn’t love anybody, she just wants Ashley because he’s the only thing she ever wanted that she didn’t get, and she certainly doesn’t love Rhett, but she does realize that they share a lot of the same (not so good) values. This guy sits around at home all day watching movies and TV and not understand them at all.
mextremist said,
July 7, 2008 at 8:17
what men really need, in the heartland, is for the effete ghost of multicultural feminism to be exorcised out of the American male by a savage rogering, which, in case he finds it unappealing and insufficiently manly, will reaffirm his bedrock manliness. really. a rough, no holes barred prostate-shattering pegging, all the while showing no outward display of enjoyment (or pain, for that would be wimpy and effeminate). then, and only then, will man take his rightful place in the pinnacle of society, after an arduous ritual of sodomized submission that he will have proven NOT to enjoy. if one’s masculinity and respect for tradition is to be beyond any doubt, it should preferably be performed on a weekly basis, so as to prove to his fellow men he does NOT in fact like it in the butt.
Hysterical Woman said,
July 7, 2008 at 8:24
Remember Final Fantasy? That chick was totally hot. Even though she was a cartoon. I totally found some websites that had her getting reamed by a ten foot dragon shlong and some manga zombies. That was rad.
My inner geek is annoyed at this.
Jon H said,
July 7, 2008 at 8:26
Brad wrote:
Needs more Tron.
Vic said,
July 7, 2008 at 9:05
“Yoo-Ess-Uv-Ay” is the most wonderful four-word hyphenation I’ve seen yet that contains no real original root words.
George Johnston said,
July 7, 2008 at 9:09
Ahhh, twue wove…
Anne Laurie said,
July 7, 2008 at 9:40
And as part of the larger question, all of the things he says he wants he could have in a relationship with a strong, independent, assertive woman. Umm, if she only didn’t scare him and cause him to piddle all the time.
Stranger’s Mom was a lovely woman, deeply feminine — er, female polarity — who wore high heels and pearls even while doing housework. She always encouraged him to spend more time with his fellows, whether FRPing in the basement or LARPing on the weekends, and she even reassured him that the great (and very *manly*) Mickey Mantle wet his bed until he was practically pubescent. Oh, if only modern women could take Angela Lansbury as a role model instead of Candice Bergen!
Mollybrown said,
July 7, 2008 at 9:52
He got few comments on his rant, but “Cara” kicked his butt…
LD said,
July 7, 2008 at 10:18
“GSD said,
Can someone punch this whiny queen right in the cock?”
I think you need someone with good martial arts training for this.
After all, we are talking about a very small target.
Big Shield Guy said,
July 7, 2008 at 10:59
My liege the wenches are growing restless and have growing inyourfaceness. They say we are dolts and worthless. Can we not reclaim the teevee stations to stop them getting all witchy.
Shouldst we burn a couple? Only Dwayne lost the matches and Elmore got to go home soon and he’s driving the war chariot Subaru.
Kthnxby
Barry from Alaska said,
July 7, 2008 at 11:06
Stranger apperently wants men to be more like Jimmy Cagney and less like Arthur Lake.
vooodooo84 said,
July 7, 2008 at 11:07
The Stranger (america’s hometown newspaper tm) sponsors a homemade pornography contest. maybe this guy is an aficionado of Gay Zombie Porn
Strangefate said,
July 7, 2008 at 11:20
I feel so many of the problems in the country would be solved if we could just create a twenty-four hour TV channel airing only the shows dorky rightwingers want to watch. Then maybe they’d calm the fuck down and stop waging war on the rest of us by voting for sexist, racist, homicidal idiots.
Strangefate said,
July 7, 2008 at 11:24
And, yes, Sadly No does have an impressive array of embarrassing nerd pics. This might *seem* like a funny even handy tool for the site, but consider what might happen if you die and your family discovers dozens of picture albums full of this stuff on your hard drive. I’m thinking unmarked grave at best.
kiki said,
July 7, 2008 at 12:04
You’ll notice that all of Mr. Stranger’s examples of manhood/womanhood so far come from watching television.
To be fair, the chicks in Warcraft are totally empowered too.
MzNicky said,
July 7, 2008 at 12:11
my two cents say he is shallow and only wants a “hot girl” but doesn’t know that you have to act like they are your ugly little sister to gettum naked.
Yeah. That other guy sure is shallow.
MzNicky said,
July 7, 2008 at 12:12
Candy and g: As a fellow geezerette, I thought “nym” was simply shorthand for “pseudonym.”
kiki said,
July 7, 2008 at 12:25
Oh, and Red @ 4.45 = TEH WIN.
bernarda said,
July 7, 2008 at 13:49
“modern conservative”, now there is an oxymoron.
Perhaps this Stranger should read Camus “L’étranger”.
But of course conservatives only need one book which tells them everything: the friggin bible.
ifthethunderdontgetya™²³®© said,
July 7, 2008 at 14:04
nym = not your mom
LA Confidential Pantload said,
July 7, 2008 at 14:42
Somehow I doubt that this Stranger’s pistol ever gleamed in the sun. If you know what I mean.
Arky - Sexual Orient Express said,
July 7, 2008 at 14:48
I thought that was the whole point of TV Land. But it would only work if there were a way to completely bar their access to what the rest of the world was watching, listening too, saying and thinking. It isn’t about the things that the fRighties want to watch. It’s about complaining about the things that other people watch. Because … um … because … The Children. Yeah. Won’t somebody think of the children?
Leonard Pierce said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:05
So, if women are the new men, who are the new women? Children? Monkeys? Midgets? I need closure, The Stranger.
Jake H. said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:12
I’ve mentioned this on here before, but this kind of drivel is not new. My grandfather hates Arsenic and Old Lace because he thinks it makes men look foolish. Yes, my grandfather, who is still alive by the way, wants Frank Capra and Cary Grant to get off his lawn.
When you believe the role of art/entertainment is simply to reinforce your own values, nothing is ever going to be good enough for you.
sagra said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:22
I spent several hours yesterday lolling about on the couch watching Snapped.so I think the Stranger is lucky not to have a girlfriend. Who wants to go to sleep every night worrying that some crazy bitch is going to shoot you in the head while you’re sleeping?
g said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:31
this kind of drivel is not new
Ancient Greek guys hated Lysistrata, too.
pedestrian said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:41
So, if women are the new men, who are the new women? Children? Monkeys? Midgets? I need closure, The Stranger.
Men. The whole thing is just a transparent plea for Hillary Clinton to quit teasing and fuck him up the ass already.
White Male, Jew of Liberal Fascism said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:43
“Mommy” in The Family Circus— a hot conservative MILF!
tigrismus said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:50
How do shows or commercials showing smart, attractive women constantly cleaning up, literally and figuratively, after lazy schlub couch potato husbands empower women? “Sure, you’re basically unpaid household help, but you’re secretly superior so revel in it without doing anything about it! BTW, you missed a spot…”
DAS said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:51
I tell ya, there’s nothing more
creepyenjoyable than to read a bitter winger complain about the state of the dating scene these days. It gets even better when the winger in question puts all the blame on one side (i.e., women) for his lack of success.I dunno. Before I met the lovely woman who is now my wife, I was a bitter moonbat wont to “complain about the state of the dating scene these days” and place “all the blame on one side (i.e. women)” for my lack of success. But the way I figured it, the problem wasn’t that women weren’t acting “feminine” enough but that they didn’t act enough like men.
What kind of man says to a woman “I like you, but not in that way” (well unless she’s ugly or crazy or something). If a woman is hawt, smart, etc., a (straight — pardon the heteronormativeness of this comment) guy might not jump into bed or marriage with her, but he would be perfectly willing to date her, see what she’s like, get to know her, etc. — before deciding “oh, I could never marry her … it just wouldn’t work out”.
But, while I am neither a model of attractiveness or mental health, I don’t think I’m ugly or insane or anything. Yet, I cannot count how many times my clumsy attempts at asking women out were met with “I like you, but not in that way”. It turned out the prejudices of these women were correct as we are now all happily married and it probably wouldn’t have worked for me with anybody but my wife …
But still, the women involved were acting out of prejudice in terms of a man having to have just the right “manly quirks”, ask her out in the right way, etc. And where did they get these ideas? Well, from stereotypes about heterosexual roles in which men are supposed to act a certain way and women are supposed to act in a certain way. Perhaps some of the stereotypes have changed that “women are the new men”, but not all of them … the Henry Higgens in me when I was a bitter, single dood didn’t say women were the new men but rather asked “why can’t a woman be more like a man?”
Susan of Texas said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:54
You mean you wanted a woman to sleep with you, not call, and then drop by three weeks later at midnight?
shane said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:55
Christ on a crutch, I pity any woman who might ever get suckered into some sort of relationship with this knuckle-dragger. The long and short of it is that real women are waaaaaay too threatening to this painfully insecure guy’s precarious ego. The only solution is for him to book a ride on the Way-Back Machine to a time when women knew their “place.” Also: someone’s got mom issues, I’m just sayin’.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:55
Newsflash, Hillary dropped out of the race a month ago. No need to bust her balls about having balls, but it is nice to see that your over the Clenis.
Top movie this weekend: Hancock
Opening this week: Hellboy2
Top 3 movies so far in 2008: Indy, Iron Man, Sex & the City
TV.com’s Top 5 shows: Heroes, House, Scrubs, Prison Break, Friends.
Top network primetime telecasts since 2000: 9 Superbowls and the ‘07 NFC Championship game.
Incidentally, Tom Cruise’s last 5 movies:
Lions for Lambs, MI3, War of the Worlds, Collateral and The Last Samurai.
Or as the wingtards like to say “why let the facts get in the way of a good argument”. Fucking idiots.
HTML Mencken said,
July 7, 2008 at 15:56
If he’s not one of those True Forced Loneliness guys, he will be soon.
OMG that’s hilarious. Looksism! It’s like the wingnut version of Ampersand. Fucking golden.
mike said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:07
well, to be fair, american women ARE a bit of a problem.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:12
More fun. At the end of his crazed rantings he goes all new-age-y with the absolute GRACE of the male and the female energy COMPLEMENTING ONE ANOTHER. Fucking tantric hippie wannabe.
But, get this - his avatar of the hyper-masculinized woman, the image he picks to represent the forces preventing male and female energies harmonizing - is Kali.
g said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:13
well, to be fair, american women ARE a bit of a problem.
Oh? to whom?
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:15
The Guess Who.
Blue Buddha said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:18
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n1×6NNNfVJc
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYlbxnjf-wU
Blue Buddha said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:21
I’m cracking up at the “what a sexist pig!” comments on the Cagney clip. Ummm… there’s a reason why the movie’s called Public Enemy. Cagney’s character ain’t exactly full of unicorns and candy colored rainbows.
Blue Buddha said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:25
Wow. What a diff 33 years makes.
BTW, needs more cowbell.
Moon Dragon said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:33
Didn’t Bogey walk off into the fog with Claude at the end of Casablanca?
Legalize said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:42
You’re telling me that whiney dudes who watch TV evidently ALL THE TIME, experience difficulty meeting women?!
Woodrowfan said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:43
So, the still-virgin Ben gets married and this guy can’t get a girlfriend. So he’s even LESS a babe-magnet than Virgin Ben! Man, that’s gotta HURT! That’s like being less macho than PeeWee Herman!
unrelatedwaffle said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:43
Yes, my grandfather, who is still alive by the way, wants Frank Capra and Cary Grant to get off his lawn.
I bet he hates His Girl Friday, too. And yet Cary Grant was the ideal leading man for thirty years despite playing opposite really strong female characters. Mae West, Katherine Hepburn, Rosalind Russell, Eva Marie Saint. . .all playing characters who had jobs and maybe even wore pants sometimes.
Woodrowfan said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:44
Gay Zombie Porn
something else I never needed to know existed, along with clown p0rn and furries. thanks Internet!
unrelatedwaffle said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:50
But still, the women involved were acting out of prejudice in terms of a man having to have just the right “manly quirks”, ask her out in the right way, etc.
Um, sorry to burst your bubble, but no one is obligated to be attracted to and go out with you, no matter how “not ugly and insane” you think you are. Women get rejected too, and not just unattractive women, either, no matter what fantasy world you’ve conjured up for yourself.
Blue Buddha said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:53
Rule 34
InsaneInTheCheneyBrain said,
July 7, 2008 at 16:58
The pictures on this page are poorly laid out — they bump up right against the text. Is it just me?
WereBear said,
July 7, 2008 at 17:04
I always wondered who would be fool enough to buy something from a spam Viagra ad.
Arky - Chuthuhlusexual said,
July 7, 2008 at 17:22
I wonder how The Stranger feels about My Fair Lady? True you have superior male brains making a coarse Cockney lass into a real lady but the protaganist also asks why a woman can’t be more like a man.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 17:25
This is how women should behave in movies. Catering to a man’s every need, and worshipping the ground he walks on. </The Stranger>
MzNicky said,
July 7, 2008 at 17:27
What kind of man says to a woman “I like you, but not in that way” (well unless she’s ugly or crazy or something). If a woman is hawt, smart, etc., a…guy … would be perfectly willing to date her… I cannot count how many times my clumsy attempts at asking women out were met with “I like you, but not in that way”. …the women involved were acting out of prejudice in terms of a man having to have just the right “manly quirks”, ask her out in the right way, etc
So, to recap: As long as a woman is “hawt” and smart, you’re willing to date her. However, a woman declining to date you, a self-described non-model of “attractiveness or mental health,” indicates stereotypical prejudice on her part. Got it.
DAS said,
July 7, 2008 at 17:41
Women get rejected too, and not just unattractive women, either, no matter what fantasy world you’ve conjured up for yourself. - unrelatedwaffle
There are two things that help build up a wonderfully unhealthy sense of entitlement in the Nice Guy(TM). One is that (e.g. in high school) everybody tells the budding Nice Guy(TM) that “you’re smart, your not unattractive and your nice … maybe the girls you know now aren’t interested, but once you get to [e.g.] college, the young women there will go for you because you are nice, and smart, etc.”. The other thing is that every single Nice Gal(TM) said Nice Guy(TM) knows is going out with someone — maybe they’ve been rejected, but their rejection rate is 100%. Occassional rejection is one thing. But 100% rejection is another: how many “nice” women get rejected by 100% of the men they make a play for (vs. how many “nice” men get rejected by 100% of women)?
Also, rejection means something different if you kinda flirt with someone but they don’t ask you out (you can always convince yourself that they didn’t get the message) than if you ask someone out and they say “you’re a nice guy and all … and I like you, but not in ‘that’ way”.
Of course, I fail to see how woman acting even less like men would solve this problem. I’m with Henry Higgens on this ;)
*
As to MzNicky’s point … I was referring back to my college and grad school days where about 99% of the woman you meet are hawt and smart. I’m no looker, but I’m sure I’m not in the bottom 1% of males looks-wise. There may be a double standard here in terms of me saying “I’ll date a woman who is hawt and smart … and I would expect a woman to date me”. But, if you grade on the curve, what I claim is entirely fair.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 17:41
So, to recap: As long as a woman is “hawt” and smart, you’re willing to date her. However, a woman declining to date you, a self-described non-model of “attractiveness or mental health,” indicates stereotypical prejudice on her part. Got it.
Also, the notion that guys are incapable of declining dates with smart hawt women is pretty dumb too. What if you’re already in a committed relationship, what if she’s not your type (e.g. you’re a wingtard and pathologically afraid of assertive women), what if you’re currently obsessing over some other girl, what if you’re gay, what if you just got out of a horror story of a relationship and aren’t ready for another one, what if you just have problems with any type of commitment, what if you have self-esteem issues and can’t believe that the girl is being serious, what if your self-esteem issues run the other way - and you know that you can do a lot better?
What if you just don’t like her in that way?
What if she’s a Yankees fan?
bayville said,
July 7, 2008 at 17:50
After rinsing the sauerkraut out of her breath and justbefore scraping the crust from her eyes, K-Lo continues her roll by offering this nugget:
McCain-Bennett 2008 [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
That’s Bennett as in Bill Bennett.
Yes, with K-Lo overseeing the ship and Jonah and VDH back in town today, NRO continues its quest to out-Onion The Onion.
And it’s only Monday morning folks.
Blue Buddha said,
July 7, 2008 at 17:58
As for myself, I prefer VAWTs over HAWTs for rooftops. Wait, what were we talking about again?
D.N. Nation said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:06
Bayville-
As I’ve said, I’ve just about lost the ability to mock K-Lo. She’s gotten to the point where she just breaks my heart.
That’s right, ladies, I’m a Nice Guy(TM, patent pending, void in Tennessee)! Who wants some of this?
(just kidding, married)
DAS, de facto Mets Fan said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:06
Dragon-King Wangchuck,
What if you’re already in a committed relationship
I should have prefaced this that I was talking about single, uncommitted guys.
what if she’s not your type (e.g. you’re a wingtard and pathologically afraid of assertive women)
Wingtards aren’t “real men”. That’s why they doth protest too much ;)
what if you’re currently obsessing over some other girl
Then you’ll definitely go out with the hawt, smart girl just to “get back at” that other girl (*).
what if you’re gay
I did preface my (hopefully reformed) NiceGuy(TM) rant with an apology for its heterocentricity.
what if you just got out of a horror story of a relationship and aren’t ready for another one
See (*) above.
what if you just have problems with any type of commitment
That’s a related issue — people nowadays don’t get the idea of dating. Contrary to what some people seem to think (this belief was endemic where I went to undergrad … because many of the students came from cultures in which dating didn’t exist) that “to date is to marry”. It’s just a date … so why would you say no?
what if you have self-esteem issues and can’t believe that the girl is being serious, what if your self-esteem issues run the other way - and you know that you can do a lot better?
Both have happened to me … but on the rare occassion where the woman asked me out I still said “ok” even if something else was going on and I suspected as much (girl needed a “merkin”, girl was seeing who else was out there while “on a break” from long term bf). As to the other side … only once or twice did I figure I could do better (although, relationship-wise, I ended up doing better beyond my wildest dreams).
What if you just don’t like her in that way?
I know guys who indicate that but because they were extremely picky about looks and really did not find the woman in question attractive … or they were gay and didn’t realize it about themselves yet.
What if she’s a Yankees fan?
Ok … you’re right. I’m wrong. There are reasons why a guy would reject the advances of a gal he thought was hawt and smart. Although one could argue that if she’s a Yankees fan, she can’t be all that bright, can she? ;)
Actually, I know a couple in a mixed marriage. He’s a Mets fan, she’s a Yankees fan. Amazingly, it can work out!
unrelatedwaffle said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:15
Also, rejection means something different if you kinda flirt with someone but they don’t ask you out (you can always convince yourself that they didn’t get the message) than if you ask someone out and they say “you’re a nice guy and all … and I like you, but not in ‘that’ way”.
So you’re saying the latter never happens to women? Women do ask men out, it is the 21st century, and you don’t have to ask someone out to have them give you the “just friends” speech.
But 100% rejection is another: how many “nice” women get rejected by 100% of the men they make a play for (vs. how many “nice” men get rejected by 100% of women)?
Holy cats, Batman, it’s Spurious Statistics Man! I’d say given the population of the United States is about 51% female, and if 84.8% of them are “nice” vs. 23.1% of men that are “nice,” then no nice men are getting laid ever, anytime, and it’s all because those women are too durn picky, and can’t they put on some makeup and a skirt once in a while?
PeeJ said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:18
Wow. Even though I am familiar witgh all internet traditions including Rule 34 and associated lemmas, corollaries and whatnot, I ran across a site that is so pathetically funny (and tragically sad) that I have to share it with you. (SFW at first glance but I couldn’t force myself to look at very much of it)
Stumbling across it while browsing this post and commentary seems an eerie bit of synchronicity. To me, anyway.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:19
You know, the idea that a woman needs a man to complete her is a pretty outdated relic of a less enlightened age. Sure there are remnants of it still around - people who constantly harp at their daughters for grandkids for example.
What if, you are a straight, nice guy, not drop-dead gorgeous but not hideously deformed either, that just isn’t interested in female companionship at the moment? If it’s okay for women not to be constantly hunting for a husband, it’s okay for guys not to be constantly hunting for a quick lay (just exaggerating the stereotypes). There are plenty of people who just don’t want that kind of relationship, and I don’t think that that makes them broken in any sense.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:21
As for myself, I prefer VAWTs over HAWTs for rooftops. Wait, what were we talking about again?
But what do you prefer on Obama’s head?
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:25
PeeJ,
Thanks! I’ve been looking for a clearinghouse of “just because I like sucking cock, that doesn’t make me gay” information. It’s for a, uh, friend.
Simba B said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:26
PeeJ said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:18
I saw this on Wiki the other day—is it like self-hating homos but without the religion? (I can’t really look right now, I have eyes on my screen)
Chris said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:32
Feh. For realself-hating homos without the religion, none compares with gaypatriot.org–”the internet home for the gay conservative”.
DAS said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:32
I ran across a site that is so pathetically funny (and tragically sad) that I have to share it with you. - PeeJ
For a moment (due to the URL), I thought this site was some sort of site for people who have a fetish for non-Jews.
DAS said,
July 7, 2008 at 18:36
Women do ask men out, it