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Five Second Jonah
Over at America’s Shittiest Website™, K-Lo posted a video of a disheveled Jonah Goldberg (sporting a shiny new mullet) and Laura Ingraham, in a Faux News segment titled “To Drill or Not Drill in Arctic Nat’l Wildlife Refuge.” Guess who was on the side of not drilling? No one, of course! (That was a trick question.)
So that busy Sadlynots don’t have to watch the whole thing, we have thoughtfully condensed the video to five seconds:
Bonus LoadPants-ism: Jonah swoons over the 10 billion barrels to be found in ANWR, and then says that the U.S. imports 10 billion barrels of oil a day. Woohoo! One day’s supply of oil in ANWR. Totally worth it, dude.*
*Actually, the U.S. imports about 10 million barrels per day.
javafascist said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:18
Five Second Jonah: That’s what his wife calls him.
Ba-Ba-bum. Try the veal!
Gary Ruppert said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:21
The fact is, you liberals are the ones with egg on your faces. He did not say billion, he said million. So it will be good for a thousand days,not one, which means we have to do this. There is more there, too. And it will be worth it. But you left winger biased types are the same tree huggers and greenshirts who would not let any refineries open and want to force us to drive less by taxing gas more. Anti-freedom is what you are.
D.N. Nation said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:22
So we drill in ANWR. Fine. Let’s do it. I can live with it.
These dopes do realize that the oil will be sold on the global market, yes? And not just held within American borders, yes? And that the ease on price will be absolutely microscopic given this, yes? And that it’ll be all gone in a matter of minutes, yes?
Or do they expect us to pull a Venezuela and force corporations to horde it for America only? Is that what our grand free marketeers have planned?
Morons.
Gary Ruppert said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:25
The fact is, liberals, as usual, are wrong on the facts. Here in the Heartland, we have a firm grip on reality, unlike you coastal eleiteists who think you don’t need God or the 2nd Amendment, and think terrorists whould have special rites.
tigrismus said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:29
???
Also, though we import over 12 million barrels a day, we use over 20 million.
pedestrian said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:30
These dopes do realize that the oil will be sold on the global market, yes? And not just held within American borders, yes? And that the ease on price will be absolutely microscopic given this, yes? And that it’ll be all gone in a matter of minutes, yes?
I wonder what would happen if the Democrats proposed a state-run drilling operation. You know, since it is government land and it is a national emergency and all that. How many Republicans would still support it?
jenniebee said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:31
and think terrorists whould have special rites.
hey, it worked for the IRA
roy edroso said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:33
The fact is, liberals, as usual, are wrong on the facts.
You should make this into a banner for Confederate Yankee.
Wasn’t James Watt going to drill everywhere back during the first of the great Republican Takeovers? If Saint Ronnie couldn’t manage to push this through, how would the preemptively lamed duck McCain?
Jason said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:39
Oh that’s a good look for him. Very Rip Torn meets Matt Foley, a little bit of Spock, the seasoned tang of the Match Game studio…
Joe Klein's conscience said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:41
Gary Ruppert:
Don’t you realize where the Democratic nominee is from? Yeah, he’s from the heartland too!! Can you stop bringing such weak crap to the table?
Malfunctioning Glenn Reynolds Robot said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:41
Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession?
Greetings, everyone! It’s me, your friendly neighborhood Malfunctioning Glenn Reynolds Robot! This post on the Pantload has stimulated my circuitry and reminded me that I had an e-mail correspondence with this pundit recently. Here it is, in full:
Malfunctioning Glenn Reynolds Robot:
Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession? Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession?
Jonah Goldberg:
Pleae (sic) don’t waste my time with this sort of thing.
I was disheartened, to say the least. However, I did get a nice response from my master himself!
Glenn Reynolds:
You left out “Gateway Pundit has a roundup.”
Well played, Ole Perfessor!
Anyway, that’s all from me. Back to your regulary scheduled thread. And don’t forget- Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Dude, where’s my recession?
DAS said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:42
I wonder what would happen if the Democrats proposed a state-run drilling operation. You know, since it is government land and it is a national emergency and all that. How many Republicans would still support it? - pedestrian
I’d say that the Dems. should go for this just to see heads explode, but given the way the GOP operates, they would simply launch one of their “Mayor Quimby released SideShow Bob from jail — vote SideShow Bob for Mayor” campaign ads: “Democrats say they like the environment, yet they just agreed to drill ANWR … vote GOP”. And, it would work. Heck, “Democrats say they are critical of the war in Iraq, but Kerry voted for the war … vote GWB” worked in 2004.
counter-coulter said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:50
This is a SNer parody right? Ahhh…you guys got me there! For a second there I really thought that it was a nutter being obtuse as usual.
Simba B said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:51
The Ole Perfesser’s response to that e-mail indicates to me that Roy was way way off when he declared his stupid-evil ratio to be 5:95.
The stupid quotient was way too high.
He knows exactly what he’s doing. Fucker.
ortho_bob said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:55
Oil, fascism, popular culture, hairstyles - is there anything the Mighty Pantloadio can’t get wrong?
Malfunctioning Glenn Reynolds Robot said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:57
Heh. Indeed. We’re w…okay, anyway:
Jay Ambrose (Scripps Howard resident wingnut columnist) is apparently a little oblivious:
“Agreed. We deserve a recession and aren’t getting one, even though the Democratic rhetoric would have you think we are in a depression or hell.”
This, of course, in response to the Heh. Indeed. Etc.
J— said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:58
These things are fun
and fun is good.
Thanks for the laugh, Clif.
Blue Buddha said,
June 18, 2008 at 16:58
The dirty secret about the current oil crash that you will never hear in the media is that it’s not lack of supply at the source*, nor is it futures speculation**, it’s the lack of refinery output. Throughout the 80’s and 90’s, refineries were slowly shutdown such that the US went from over capacity to just at capacity. The whole oil mess started when Hurricane Katrina hit, and wiped out half the refineries in this country. Some of them are still shutdown or irreparable. This is something that can’t be solved overnight, either, as it takes several years to build one and start operations.
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* There’s actually a glut oil on the market. However, most of it is heavy, sour crude… stuff that’s useless unless it’s refined.
** The $135/bbl. often quoted price is the speculated price for next month’s futures contract on light sweet crude. It has nothing to do with actual price on the market, which is somewhere around $100/bbl. for light sweet crude, and almost a third of that for heavy sour crude. There’s a reason why they call them “futures”.
John T said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:00
I don’t know if anyone else has linked to this already, but since we’re talking about Jonah, now would be a good time to mention I LOVE YOU CHEETOS.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:00
So it will be good for a thousand days,not one,
Cool!! Three years worth of oil!! I’d say that’s worth it.
(except of course, Gary’s wrong as usual.)
D.N. Nation said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:00
I’ve been told, sadly, that I look a lot like a skinny Jonah. I love how he started growing his hair out when I did, too.
Too bad I cut it this weekend. Take THAT, Pantload.
Blue Buddha said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:02
Two wingnuts and a cup of Cheetos.
Mike Nilsen said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:06
I think Jonah’s trying to develop his own ‘Christoper Hitchens’ look.
justme said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:10
He’s going to need to drink a lot more.
commie atheist said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:12
Jonah looks certifiably insane in those screen captures.
BlackBloc said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:12
>>The dirty secret about the current oil crash that you will never hear in the media is that it’s not lack of supply at the source*, nor is it futures speculation**, it’s the lack of refinery output.
This has an air of truthiness. I would like sources so I can use that argument when faced with wingnuts.
Also, would that affect prices in Canada as well, or is our price inflation for oil entirely unrelated to these particular American conditions?
fadgeophile said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:15
Those screen caps are unreal.
I think he may have gone for the extra serving of Game Fuel prior to that segment.
EBS too said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:21
So how much oil is in a Carrabou? Just thinking…
SomeNYGuy said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:21
Yes, Jonah is looking a bit unkempt. Perhaps Lucianne has stopped bathing him.
D.N. Nation said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:23
Surprised you guys missed this. Mountain Dew-flavored Doritos.
handy said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:24
ewww, I just got a bad mental picture. ETCH A SKETCH!!! ETCH A SKETCH!!!
tigrismus said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:28
So how much oil is in a Carrabou? Just thinking…
Less than is in Jonah. Also, ambergris!
norbizness said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:33
I think that D-Pant may slowly be turning into Withnail & I’s Richard Griffiths. Sorry, Rich.
Susan of Texas said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:39
Jonah’s wife is an Alaskan heiress. Her father made a fortune in shopping malls and liquor stores. But that’s not all Jessica’s Daddy owns. “According to the Web site for the Environmental Working Group, he owns oil and gas leases near the Yukon Delta National Wildlife Refuge.”
I think this little conflict of interest should be shared with everyone on the planet.
jimmiraybob said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:40
GR - The fact is, you liberals are the ones with egg on your faces. He did not say billion, he said million. So it will be good for a thousand days,not one, which means we have to do this.
Lessee, 10,000,000 into 10,000,000,000….carry the 1; I get 1000 alright, so far so good. Divide by 352, carry the 4; I get 2.84 years estimated supply at current rates of use for US. Double number to add comfort level. Wow, that’s a lot of oil. Maybe not for the US but for a country like Greenland or Widgetstan, sure.
Now, applying the rock solid laws of the free market capitalist system, which the oil companies generally prefer, I wonder who they’ll actually sell the oil to in order to recover their investment and make oodles of profits?
Blue Buddha said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:42
It looks like other factors played into this than Katrina. In 2004-05, the ME dumped a lot of sour crude on the market, but many refineries turned it down, simply because it’s more expensive to refine. (http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntn44964.htm) Meanwhile, the sweet crude supplies were sucked up while the sour crude was untouched, and this caused prices to go up… especially the price differential between sweet and sour crude. http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/08/sweet_and_sour.html
Katrina only exasperated the problem by destroying refineries in the Gulf region, as this is the one of the biggest concentrations of them in the US. People who have been arguing that oil peak will come later instead of now, point out this discrepancy between output at the drills and outputs at the refineries.
My personal opinion is that we’re not running out of oil any time soon… what we are running out of is cheap oil. The stuff that’s easy to refine (sweet crude) is about to run out, while the stuff that’s been often left in the ground as “garbage” (sour crude), because it’s expensive to refine, is still out there in spades. I guess the upside to this is that cleaner and renewable energy sources might become “affordable” once it’s obvious that petroleum energy is too expensive.
fadgeophile said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:43
Nice find Susan.
A Wingnut with a conflict of interest? Isn’t that like a hipster with skinny jeans?
stryx said,
June 18, 2008 at 17:47
Those screen caps make me imagine this is what Jonah looks like when he’s making a Doughy pantload in his Depends.
Especially the last one: “I made a big poopy!”
Susan of Texas said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:02
Oooh, I missed this the first time–Jessica is 6 years older than Jonah. Not that there’s anything wrong with that; emotional maturity is much more important than actual age. I’m sure the older lawyer Jessica, former senior policy advisor for AG John Ashcroft, was just as mature as the younger wingnut welfare pundit Jonah Goldberg.
Legalize said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:03
Someone simply must create a screen shot of Jonah proclaiming his general awareness of all internet traditions.
Dave said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:04
Funny how Doughy forgets to mention you can only reach 10 bn barrels by including land owned by Native Americans and offshore pockets up to three miles off the coast. Otherwise you’re looking at 7.7 bn barrels of recoverable oil. Which, even if it was hoarded by the US strictly for domestic use, would cover little more than one year of US consumption.
And then what?
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:08
I refuse to watch the video, but did he actually argue that Eskimos are stupid? Last week he crapped out a column using the support from the local community as a reason to drill.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:09
Also, if you’re eating right now, I suggest you stop.
Jonah Goldberg and Laura Ingraham arguing about whether or not to drill.
Proud American said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:13
Liberals are so hater, and angry leftists. They are biased against truth and hate reality. Maybe you should swim to Cuba.
Proud American said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:14
We need to drill now or the hippies win. Fuck hippies.
Proud American said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:16
I should also mention that I am a hippie.
Gary Ruppert said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:16
The fact is, we have a solution to our oil price problem but the liberals care more about polar bears and eskimos, typical hand wringing, nothing practical, which makes one wonder why they are no good in business. Here in the Heartland, we are practical minded.
Simba B said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:19
I vote we drill for oil in Gary Ruppert.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:20
My my. Married to a former John Ashcroft staffer 6 years his senior. And she’s a pundit too!!
Nice find, Susan.
AG said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:21
Why, there’s no start to his genius!
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:27
Let me get this straight- You libs would rather make fun of a successful conservative’s appearance than debate the facts? Somehow I’m not surprised. Look, libs, it’s tantamount to economic suicide not to properly make use of the resources we have. Why don’t you understand this? Ahh, government schooling.
We have Congress to thank for high gas prices. Who’s in charge of Congress? That’s right.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:27
Oh, she’s one of those anti-feminists who don’t like girls playing sports.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:29
You libs would rather make fun of a successful conservative’s appearance than debate the facts?
Totally!!
Especially if the “debate” commenced with name-calling and an ad hominem remark about our education. But - nice try, troll!
pedestrian said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:30
The Reciplagiarist strikes again!
Simba B said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:33
Look, libs, it’s tantamount to economic suicide not to properly make use of the resources we have.
Whereas Jonah is keen on the “death by cheetohs” approach.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:34
You need to look up “ad hominem.” I was merely stating a fact concerning the sad state of socialized education.
delagar said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:35
I’ve heard this caribou-love-pipelines and government schooling meme like six times this month from my students here in Arkansas…must be the new Winger talking point. Or is it Rush-spew?
Simba B said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:36
I can play this game too! I am merely stating the fact that you are a dried out cumstain on Jonah’s pantloaded underwear.
Just the facts!
slippy hussein toad said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:36
Seven months, I heard. That’s if the estimate is worth a shit. Who knows? I have also read that due to the physics of the situation it would take 50 years to extract that oil. Meaning it wouldn’t amount to a gnat’s fart in a hurricane.
SomeNYGuy said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:36
OT, from The Politico’s article on Obama accuser and fugitive-from-justice Larry Sinclair:
Who knew they’d named the lounge after Jeff Gannon?
Righteous Bubba said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:37
The Reciplagiarist strikes again!
Simple pleasures are always the most satisfying.
Legalize said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:38
“I was merely stating a fact concerning the sad state of socialized education.”
Evidently the same has affected your reading comprehension abilities. Pantload’s “arguments” have been refuted in this thread and a dozen others at a dozen sites. That you are incapable of reading or understanding them is your problem, numb nuts.*
_________________
*ad hominem
Gary Ruppert's Brain said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:38
Help! I am being held prisoner!
Five of Diamonds said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:38
We have Congress to thank for high gas prices. Who’s in charge of Congress? That’s right.
He he. Someone hasn’t been paying attention.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:39
Mature, Simba. You know, you don’t see that sort of thing at TownHall. You do see it here. Why?
Frito-Lay Exec said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:40
I am merely stating the fact that you are a dried out cumstain on Jonah’s pantloaded underwear.
Funny, that was our next mystery Dorito flavor.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:40
I was merely stating a fact concerning the sad state of socialized education.
Nice try, but dishonest. “Why don’t you understand this? Ahh, government schooling.”
You were implying that those you intend to debate were unable to understand your point due to what you have prejudged to be an insufficient education. To claim otherwise is disingenuous.
Beginning a debate by making an assumption about the position and intelligence of those you propose to debate is, defacto, not debating.
Take your scarecrow and go home. Your buddy Sowell has enough strawmen to keep you both company.
Scott C. said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:41
Shiny new mullet and a matching face-mullet! Jonah’s head is mulletastic!
N.C. said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:42
I’m going to totally flip the script here:
Who’s in charge of socialized education? That’s right.
Simba B said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:42
Mature, Simba. You know, you don’t see that sort of thing at TownHall. You do see it here. Why?
Here, the troglodytes are the trolls, not the commenters or the columnists.
We also are free of advertisements for ass candles.
Snort said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:43
Liberals are so hater
Wuh?
Huckabee’s man crush will take care of you liburuls.
Plus are we done with all the Saint Timmy the Potato Head gushing on teebee? It’s interfering with me watching 3rd rate hacks flail their arms and legs with semi-nude wannabes. I think my next remote control is going to be a pistol.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:43
Still waiting on you libs to expalin to me why we shouldn’t use resources effectively.
N.C. said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:44
Also, we have plenty of sunlight and land suitable for windfarms, yet conservatives are unwilling to exploit the resources we have. This is tantamount to my point. Heh, indeed.
Five of Diamonds said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:47
Can we somehow shove live caribu into our gas tanks? Problem solved!
Gundamhead said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:47
Ahh crap, he has almost exactly the same hair as I do. I need a hair cut.
N.C. said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:49
All this tantamounting has frayed my nerves. I shall retire to the NRO fainting couch post-haste and indulge in some Cheetos to calm the vapors.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:50
Still waiting on you libs to expalin to me why we shouldn’t use resources effectively.
Doesn’t all that straw make you itch?
Susan of Texas said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:50
We’re perfectly capable of pointing out Jonah’s facts are wrong and making fun of his appearance. Why limit ourselves?
No matter what, ANWAR would be a short-term solution. There is no long-term solution to the replacement of oil. The point is not that we’re running out of oil or that we need to drill or that there’s tons more oil out there. The point is that our current economy is utterly dependent on cheap oil, and will suffer a lot of shocks before this problem is overcome, if it can be overcome in time.
The other problem is that we have a lot more problems. It is the confluence of all this individual, probably solvable, problems that haunt our future. Climate change and resource shortages will affect society exponentially.
tigrismus said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:52
You libs would rather make fun of a successful conservative’s appearance than debate the facts … it’s tantamount to economic suicide not to properly make use of the resources we have … We have Congress to thank for high gas prices. Who’s in charge of Congress? That’s right.
Tell you what, we’ll look up “ad hominem”, you look up “false dichotomy”, “begging the question”, and “non causa pro causa”. For starters.
pe said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:52
Still waiting on you libs to expalin to me why we shouldn’t use resources effectively.
Would you mind waiting over there? You’re dripping all over the clean floors. Thanks.
Simba B said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:53
Still waiting on you libs to expalin to me why we shouldn’t use resources effectively.
I think we should.
We should start by using Jonah’s blubber in the most effective manner possible.
Snort said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:54
Also, we have plenty of sunlight and land suitable for windfarms, yet conservatives are unwilling to exploit the resources we have. This is tantamount to my point. Heh, indeed.
Yeah, it seems using our resources effectively means making oil companies richer.
Susan of Texas said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:54
Yeah, there’s all that republican blubber just going to waste. Why shouldn’t we use resources effectively?
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:56
You know, you don’t see that sort of thing at TownHall.You do see it here. Why?
You know, simply human kindness compells me, to point something out to you.
See, just as I would gently intervene if a little old lady mistakenly wandered into a biker bar, and escorted her back to the sidewalk to point her in the direction of Mabel’s Cut n’ Curl, I will try to gently point something out to you.
This is a snark site. We like poop jokes here. Town Hall is a bunch of conservatives who imagine themselves to be serious political pundits.
See the difference?
Now go on down the sidewalk, it’s two doors down. Rosanne is great with highlights, by the way.
sagra said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:58
Why don’t we just use those new bacteria that make oil out of agricultural waste?
WereBear said,
June 18, 2008 at 18:58
It’s short work to establish Jonah’s elusive grasp of the facts.
But making fun of his appearance? That’s a full time job.
Snort said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:00
Well, he is pretty big.
Snorghagen said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:01
God or the 2nd Amendment???!!! The Second Amendment is God!
Five of Diamonds said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:03
I shall retire to the NRO fainting couch post-haste
hilariouz
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:05
Still waiting on you libs to expalin to me why we shouldn’t use resources effectively.
Much as it is pointless to argue with someone trying to defend Swift’s Modest Proposal as an effective use of resources, it’s pointless to argue with someone called SowellFan (unless you’re referring to Ron Sowell in which case I apologize). But what the heck, being pointless can be great fun!
Okay, here goes: We are talking about drilling for oil in a Wildlife Reserve. Hey, here’s something you might not understand, when you exploit a natural area, you change it - thereby making it different than it was before and not reserving it in it’s former condition.
Pinko Punko said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:07
I think he wants to be played by Oliver Platt in the movie version of Liberal Fascism.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:10
Note:
Bobby Sowell also okay.
kenga said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:10
Hmm? Sorry, I didn’t realize that was at issue - it’s self-evident, you know.
Care to explain how the whole process of extracting oil from ANWR is an effective use of resources?
PeeJ said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:13
Typical. They just don’t get it.
ellipses™²³®© said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:13
Still waiting…on you libs…to expalin…to me!
…why we…shouldn’t…use…resources effectively!
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:16
Yesterday on my ellipsical… trainer… a flashing strobe light came on. Kinda like this flash… flash… flash…
It made me drop into an ellipsis… episode…
Blue Buddha said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:18
What I don’t understand is how the wingnuts have been foaming at the mouth for the past several years that we need to drill in ANWR. My question is, what’s so goddamned great about the oil there anyway? Seriously, why specifically ANWR and nowhere else in the country?
Is it the largest oilfield left in the US? Is it some really awwwwesome oil that barely needs to be refined? Is it an excuse to kill wildlife just to piss off liberals? Something tells me that there are other oilfields still around under US soil that are better alternatives, but all the GOP wants to do is kill caribou.
ellipses™²³®© said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:20
Is it an excuse to kill wildlife just to piss off liberals?
…winner…
F'in Librul said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:22
10 Billion barrels? That’s, like, three whole fraking years of not having to import anything!
Uh, but then what?
SamFromUtah said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:28
That’s, like, three whole fraking years of not having to import anything!
Yup. But in wingnut-attention-span-years, that’s like, forever. There’s a whole congressional election cycle in there and probably a presidential one, and the bounty of oil will make the Republicans win forevar.
Woodrowfan said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:34
Um, why not save the oil in ANWR for the future when oil will be even scarcer? it’s not going anywhere, the price will not be dropping anytime soon and it’ll take too long to develop the field to use in the immediate future. Why not (warning, crazy idea) save it for a day in the future when we might need it even more than we do now? What’s the rush to use it?
Woodrowfan said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:36
Married to a former John Ashcroft staffer 6 years his senior. And she’s a pundit too!!
Nope, no Mommy issues there, none at all (Calling Dr. Freud, Dr. Freud, white courtesy phone please)
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:37
Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest intellectuals in America today. What exactly is so indefnsible about wanting to properly use resources? Quite frankly, you can’t address this simple point. I wander why.
Jonah Goldberg has been there, and he’s right, it’s nothing but random animals and nothing. We should be drilling there now. But sadly, the impact the radical greens and big environmentals have on Congress is huge, and cowardly Democrats are too cowardly to let us drill there.
Simba B said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:41
Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest intellectuals in America today.
HA.
HAH.
HAHAH.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Look Ma, it made a funny!
Snowwy said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:41
SowellFan’s idea of “properly” is to utterly despoil every inch of land in a desperate attempt to maintain an unsustainable lifestyle.
SF, don’t even try to deny it. Things like ecological relationships mean nothing to you, clearly.
Random Animals and Nothing Conservation Fund said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:43
We are very important to the global ecosystem!
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:44
Ironically, the same people who complain about gas are the same people who don’t want us to drill. Ironically, they are also Democrats.
Woodrowfan said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:44
I sense a certain troll read Ayn Rand at age 17 and never grew out of it. sad.
Gerard Vanderleun said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:44
I am aware of all Jonah Goldberg traditions, and I am unaware of any information which might indicate he has been to Alaska, or any of the non-contiguous states except for a trip to Waikiki when he was 16.
DAS said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:46
Re BlueBuddha’s comments about refinery capacity … actually the wingnuts use this talking point all the time: they blame environmental laws and NIMBYism (although I don’t see wingnuts lining up to live near oil refineries) for the lack of refinery capacity. In some cases, however, there is an incentive not to build refineries simply to keep the price of oil-products up, which, of course, the wingnuts never mention.
Still, I’m not so sure about this
The $135/bbl. often quoted price is the speculated price for next month’s futures contract on light sweet crude. It has nothing to do with actual price on the market, which is somewhere around $100/bbl. for light sweet crude
Well, what that means is that either next month the price of oil will increase another 35% or a bunch of people are going to loose big on the futures market. The latter has been known to happen, but something tells me that so many investors can’t be that wrong. Speculation does increase the price of oil as it creates an additional demand for oil, even if that oil be next month’s oil.
Jonah Goldberg said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:46
Ironically, the same people who complain about my gas are the ones who have to live with me. Ironically, they are also my mother.
big environmentals™²³®© said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:47
Look at me and know fear, beaches!
Some Caribou said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:48
Well we are tasty, you have to admit that.
Pinko Punko said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:48
Verily, they are chardonnay flies!
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:49
Jonah Goldberg has been there, and he’s right, it’s nothing but random animals and nothing. We should be drilling there now. But sadly, the impact the radical greens and big environmentals have on Congress is huge, and cowardly Democrats are too cowardly to let us drill there.
It’s a shame Jonah Goldberg came back. Let’s try this one more time. I appreciate that you may have difficulties with this, being a fan of Thomas Sowell and all, but here it is again:
Arctic National Wildlife Reserve.
Wildlife Reserve
Would you like to see it in not bold?
Wildlife Reserve
Now, what was it you were saying?
Rightwingsnarkle said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:50
point her in the direction of Mabel’s Cut n’ Curl…
I hear that the stylists are better at Poodle’s.
PeeJ said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:52
Ironically, the same people who complain about gas are the same people who don’t want us to drill. Ironically, they are also Democrats.
So much material in two short sentences; where to start?
Let’s go with the irony thing first. That’s not ironic, idjit.
Also, has anyone of heard any non-democrats complain? Anybody? Bueller?
I won’t even bother to point out the logical FAILlacy.
PeeJ said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:53
Also, we should drill in Wordpress.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:56
Big environmentals have been gobbling up land and locking up resources for years under the lie of “wildlife reserves” for years, making life harder on poor Americans. If liberals truely cared about the poor, they’d let the free market determine whether or not we should drill, which we should.
big environmentals™²³®© said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:56
I’m calling parody troll. (Which should be obvious of course…Thomas Sowell fan? Even Thomas Sowell would be suspicious.)
PeeJ said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:57
Would that be the same free market that got us to this point? Does that invisible hand hurt when it slaps you upside the head?
WereBear said,
June 18, 2008 at 19:59
SowellFan would chop down all the “useless” trees… and ass-phyxiate.
liveinvt said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:00
Gary Ruppert squaked:
“So it will be good for a thousand days,not one, which means we have to do this. ”
ROFL ROFL!
Ripping apart Alaska for <3 years of oil. A win-win!
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:01
People who smear Thomas Sowell are the ones who need to read him the most. His books are brilliant.
liveinvt said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:01
Most red states can be described as “random animals and nothing” ;p
Skullhunter said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:03
Shorter SowellFan:
Gerard Vanderleun said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:03
Thomas Sowell is aware of all smearing traditions.
Thomas Sowell said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:04
The fact is, I have no fans.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:04
Big environmentals have been gobbling up land and locking up resources for years under the lie of “wildlife reserves” for years, making life harder on poor Americans. If liberals truely cared about the poor, they’d let the free market determine whether or not we should drill, which we should.
Those dastardly lie-bruls. Which one of those stinking lie-bruls was responsible for this whole ANWR mess anyways?
Stinking lefty that Islamofascist Ike was.
Look, you’ve already stated that ANWR is full of nothing and that no one ever goes there, doesn’t that make it a perfect place to designate as a wildlife reserve?
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:05
If you keep smearing businesses like that, Skullhunter, they’ll take their business elsewhere. That’s called the law of economics. If you read more Sowell you’d be aware of this.
Thomas Sowell said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:07
Even I don’t read me.
Miguel said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:08
I sense a new form of political commentary has been born.
Love it.
Miguel.
big environmentals™²³®© said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:08
Breaking rocks in the hot sun…
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:08
Clarence Thomas read Thomas Sowell. In case your government-socialized education didn’t teach you anything other than Hollywood morals, Clarence Thomas is a Supreme Court judge.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:10
What exactly is so indefnsible about wanting to properly use resources?
I think no one would quibble with “wanting to properly use resources.” At issue is whether the proposal you’re championing meets that definition. Mmmmkay?
Gerard Vanderleun said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:10
Clarence Thomas is aware of all pubic-hair-placed-on-Coke-can traditions.
SomeNYGuy said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:10
Looks like someone’s got too many ironicallys in the fire.
D.N. Nation said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:11
Um, he’s a Supreme Court Justice, sport.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:11
Big environmentals have been gobbling up land
Wrong. Preserving land /= “gobbling.” Gobbling = consume, alter, destroy. Preserving /=consume, alter, destroy.
Clarence Thomas said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:11
I’m a wanker, not a Supreme Court judge.
I’ll thank you to remember the difference.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:12
Big environmentals aren’t preserving land. They’re gobbling it up for non-use. There’ s a difference. If you knew the law of economics, you’d know that there was a difference.
pedestrian said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:12
Still waiting…on you libs…to expalin…to me!
…why we…shouldn’t…use…resources effectively!
Wow. That is a great way to make someone sound really fat.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:13
Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest intellectuals in America today.
Best laugh line of the day!
Skullhunter said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:14
Oh yes, the poor, put-upon CEOs are going to pull an Atlas Shrugged on us if we don’t get into line and let them do what they want, bunch of moochers and looters that we are.
Let them go. I’m sure after a few years of trying to exploit some third-world country like it’s their own private South Africa, they’ll be begging to come back to a place where they don’t need to live in a fortified prison to protect them from the citizens.
SomeNYGuy said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:16
javafascist said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:16
Jonah Goldberg said:
You’re going to need at least 2 of the following to make this a convincing Goldberg post: a) Simpson reference b) BSG reference c) a call for others to research your big idea d) grandiose pronouncements of your works awesomeness e) comparing white males to slaughtered innocents of a fascist regime.
Keep trying because that is not numberwang.
Snorghagen said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:17
I gobble up the land and I poop out the mud.
(And I also think this guy is a parody. Too good to be true.)
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:19
I’m not a parody. It’s incredible how you libs think that real people don’t cherish Dr. Sowell’s work. Ironically, you like Chomsky, so it’s not surprising.
Alanis said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:20
Ironically, you like Chomsky
Sing it brother!
Malfunctioning SowellFan Robot said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:21
Clarence Thomas read Thomas Sowell. Big environmentals aren’t preserving land. They’re gobbling it up for non-use. Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest intellectuals in America today. Ironically, the same people who complain about gas are the same people who don’t want us to drill. Ironically, they are also Democrats. Clarence Thomas read Thomas Sowell. Big environmentals aren’t preserving land. They’re gobbling it up for non-use. Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest intellectuals in America today. Ironically, the same people who complain about gas are the same people who don’t want us to drill. Ironically, they are also Democrats. Clarence Thomas read Thomas Sowell. Big environmentals aren’t preserving land. They’re gobbling it up for non-use. Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest intellectuals in America today. Ironically, the same people who complain about gas are the same people who don’t want us to drill. Ironically, they are also Democrats.Clarence Thomas read Thomas Sowell. Big environmentals aren’t preserving land. They’re gobbling it up for non-use. Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest intellectuals in America today. Ironically, the same people who complain about gas are the same people who don’t want us to drill. Ironically, they are also Democrats.
Gollum said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:21
The precious!
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:24
If you keep smearing businesses like that, Skullhunter, they’ll take their business elsewhere. That’s called the law of economics. If you read more Sowell you’d be aware of this.
Ummm, no. First Skullhunter’s comment was about you and not businesses. Second, considering oyur output so far, it was hardly a smear. Third, what is this law of economics you’re talking about? If there is one that describes how businesses behave, it’s just about the opposite of what you’ve stated. i.e. Businesses will stay in unfriendly conditions, so long as there is profit to be made.
Iris said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:27
So, you don’t think America is fairly hospitable to the oil industry? Are you kidding?
We’re no Cayman Islands, but we’re not exactly Soviet Russia either.
[Iris and SowellFan are posting their comments from the same IP Address. Here, sockpuppet! Here, sockpuppet! Come here, little sockpuppet! -Clif]
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:27
Jonah Goldberg has been there, and he’s right, it’s nothing but random animals and nothing.
Ah. The great expert biologist Jonah Goldberg has pronounced it so.
I’m longing to hear his opinion on the ocean. Just some random fish and stuff.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:28
I’m not a parody. It’s incredible how you libs think that real people don’t cherish Dr. Sowell’s work. Ironically, you like Chomsky, so it’s not surprising.
Yes, it’s totally ironic that Chomsky-ites don’t appreciate Thomas Sowell… Totallly ironic…
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:29
Damn, missed Alanis @ 20:20.
Clif said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:29
On the off chance that the SowellFan isn’t a parody troll, the answer to him is pretty simple.
Link
Drill those unused lands first, I’d say. The idea that “environmentalists” are locking up all available oil resources is as stupid as SowellFan’s handle
WereBear said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:29
Isn’t Sowell a real laissez-faire nut? (Perhaps that’s a duh…)
Anyway, it sounds like the kind of thing that impresses people who know nothing about economics, psychology, or animal husbandry.
But, just because I’m the kind of picky geek who looks things up, I’m not letting it go yet.
…
Dayum! Per Wikipedia, he doesn’t want to be known as a black conservative.
Well, I wouldn’t, either.
Soooooooooooo, I pity the fool!
I’m seeing a definite Clarence Thomas rage-issue in his future. Watch the blood pressure, Mr. Sowell!
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:30
Oh, sad. I’m so sad. It’s a parody troll. It has to be, no real troll can be that stupid. And I was hoping it was the real thing.
Lakeesha Shaidle said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:30
Random animals and nothing? Sounds like the interior of Pantload’s head.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:31
I’m not a parody. I’m a living, breathing, voting, American. Who thinks that we should follow the law of economics, because the law of economics has given us the prosperity we know today.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:31
Wait, Alanis… Does this mean you’re back to being Alanis?
Simba B said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:32
Attention Management: Jonah fails again at making a funny.
liberalrob said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:33
That first pic of Jonah looks very similar to the “I has a bucket” walrus when the bucket is stolen.
Sowellfan, the arguments for not drilling in ANWR are very clearly understandable and have been endlessly covered elsewhere.
The top arguments:
-there’s not much oil there, relatively speaking
-getting it out would threaten the permanent despoliation of one of the last unspoiled environments on the planet
-there’s no guarantee that the United States would receive even 50% of the oil thus recovered, oil being fungible and shipped worldwide
-like a junkie reaching for “just one more fix” before going cold turkey, it would be kicking the can down the road just a little further in terms of facing up to the reality that we need to get off of oil and starting to take meaningful steps to do so.
Now, I’m waiting for pro-drilling “conservatives” to explain:
-how it is “conservative” to advocate unlimited and unrestricted exploitation of natural resources
-how drilling in ANWR will be a permanent, long-term, or even medium-term solution to our energy needs
-how modern oil-prospecting and extraction techniques make environmental damage so unlikely that it’s a needless worry (and just saying “we’re really good at it now, we promise” doesn’t cut it)
-how continuing to reach for more and more sources of oil advances the nation’s agenda of reducing our dependence on oil as an energy source
Iris said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:35
Simba- Yep, you can just hear the crickets after Jonah’s latest dropping. Also, I fully expect K-Lo’s prudishness not to rear its ugly head; bad thoughts are only bad when they’re remotely progressive.
D.N. Nation said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:38
A liberalrob sighting. Lovely. Look what you’ve done, SowellFan.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:40
I have no problem with SowellFan taking a turn at being Iris, it seems to be a sort of Sadly tradition. But here’s some pointers: Iris is way more passive agressive. The first Iris comment was to assertive. Also, you need to use at least one of the following phrases: Reagan Democrat, empty suit, misogynist press. Preferably all three.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:40
too assertive
D.N. Nation said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:41
I say liberalrob take up the banner.
liberalrob said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:41
What’s this “we,” white man?
I’m not feeling particularly prosperous these days. I have gotten a lot more “prosperity” mileage out of personal relationships with employers; all economics has ever done is gotten me laid off, reduced my benefits, and raised the costs of everything I buy.
Gerald Curl said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:41
I applaud Jonah’s attempt to bring back the Finger Wave. Quelle coupe de cheveux!
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:42
I call fake Iris - there’s not a single reference to sexism!
D.N. Nation said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:44
G- Fake Iris always talks about sexism, though. So it’s neither Real Iris or Fake Iris. I’m confused.
playing the ace card said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:46
Quite frankly, you can’t address this simple point. I wander why.
Because shut up. That’s why.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:46
Ahhh, I finally get it. Since I’m not a SowellFan, I had no idea what he meant when he cited the Law of Economics, but thanks to the Great Gazoogle I found
That’s from the great Thomas Sowell himself. So SowellFan’s use of the first law of economics to justify drilling ANWR is…and the poetic justice is killing me… ironic.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:53
Obama and his supporters in the mainstream media chirp about change, but real change would be to finally take this country in a direction of knowing more about economics. The entire Congress would be best served reading Dr. Sowell’s works on economics instead of the dangerous demagoguery that puts us at the feet of Big Environmentals and the terorists. McCain realizes that it’s best if we drill, so we should vote for McCain.
liberalrob said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:53
Sorry to harsh your mellow.
D.N. Nation said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:56
Did you bring p_luk along for the ride?
PeeJ said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:57
It’s getting confused. That last was more Irisy than what it had established as the SF nonpersona.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 20:58
SowellFan - one of Sowell’s relatives who just completed his first econ course at community college.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:01
An economics course at a community college is more than the Democratic demagogues know, despite the fact that they crow and crow about how much they know.
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:03
Nice rejoinder!! It does your plea for reasoned debate proud.
And look at the cute little birdies! they chirp! they crow!!
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:03
McCain realizes that it’s best if we drill, so we should vote for McCain.
Well, I’ll take the bait (again). With apologies to our gracious hosts,
Sadly, No! Actuall, it’s not sadly. It’s one of the few positions of JiSM3 that I agree with. Also, at least historically, one that he voted correctly on.
Snowwy said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:06
OK, SowellFan, you’re getting really boring, now.
Gah! Can’t we get some trolls in here with the courage to at least address substantive questions? Troll quality has dropped WAY off since the wingers took power, and getting spanked in 2006 hasn’t done anything to bring them back up to snuff.
liberalrob said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:07
I agree with p_luk on a lot of things. Or at least I did when I commented at Swampland. It’s been a while, though.
Snowwy said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:08
Oh my. Forgive me, folks. I just realised I asked for the impossible - courage from a right-winger. Silly me.
pedestrian said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:10
Is this new troll a real-life honest to goodness new troll? He has the same pretentious ignorance, but his style is different. He uses obvious rhymes sometimes and repeats words. Could he be a repetitive new troll?
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:10
An economics course at a community college is more than the Democratic demagogues know, despite the fact that they crow and crow about how much they know.
Check it.
CAW CAW CAW
I know I know
My economic stylings, are high profiling.
My knowledge is piling
My words are beguiling
These digits are for dialing.
With the greatest of ease
I navigate issues fiduciary
Ain’t no pundit on TV’s
That can touch me
on the ABC’s and 123’s
of the eco-eco-economies
CAW CAW CAW
I crow
’bout what I know
Which is a lot.
‘cuz dat’s what I got
the know how
so kowtow
to my high brow
Don’t have a cow!
Peace.
Alanis said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:11
They are now out of print even in Canada, and it’s easy to see why they have not been available in recent years, because these two recordings are very different from her later alt-rock work. Unfortunately, they are also often embarrassingly bad. Even on a dance pop level, they don’t generate much excitement.
Bullshit!
D.N. Nation said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:13
Hopefully “a lot of things” doesn’t include his Larry Johnson-esque racism, his ridiculous conspiracy theories, his dead-ender whining, and so on. Way back when you and Iris seemed to be fairly comfortable with those things. Gave one pause.
liberalrob said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:13
Still waiting for SowellFan to answer my questions, after I answered his…not holding my breath, though.
Interesting how the topic is no longer ANWR drilling, it’s how Dems don’t know economics.
Ever hear about opportunity cost? When you buy something, you give up something else. That was Econ 101. The opportunity cost of drilling in ANWR is loss of a pristine wilderness, forever. The opportunity cost of NOT drilling in ANWR is loss of a few years’ worth of oil (at best). Hmm, let me think about which opportunity cost is worth more to me.
sagra said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:13
So if I go to ANWR and shout obscenities at the oil companies, they’ll stay away?
g said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:14
Silly rabbit.
Trolls don’t answer questions.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:15
Oh Alanis! It’s great to have you back! You were indeed too hot to hold. Now if only you’d regress a couple more years to the YCDTOTV days, then everything would be perfect!
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:16
You liberals have already been told by serious commentators that ANWR holds nothing. Nothing nothing nothing. And yety ou want to keep it, because you can’t bare the thought that people be given the ability to reason and decide for themselves in a free market. That’s what this is about, always about. That you want to tell people what to do.
Well you can’t do it forever, because gas is expensive now, and people will realize that we must use our resources smartly. A “pristine wilderness” is liberal codespeak for “I want to make people think the way I think.” It’s a shame you won’t admit to this, but sadly expected.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:17
So I just answered your question, rob.
[But you haven't answered mine, SF/Iris - Clif]
SomeNYGuy said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:19
I read that after 35 years Don Cornelius has sold off the rights to Sowell Train.
SomeNYGuy said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:21
A “pristine wilderness” perfectly describes the contents of SowellFan’s skull, if you discount the word “pristine.”
Rightwingsnarkle said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:23
I’m just waiting for Sowell’s fan to revive some of Spiro Agnew’s (Patrick Buchanan’s) alliterations.
Now that was some demoagoguerific speechifying.
WereBear said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:25
A “pristine wilderness” is liberal codespeak for “I want to make people think the way I think.”
SowellFan.
Such an economics whiz.
And doesn’t know the meaning of priceless.
birdseatbugs said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:25
That’s it. This is the last fucking straw. You people wanna know a secret? Here’s the secret:
ALASKA HAS PEOPLE. AND STUFF. AND MOVIE THEATERS. AND TRAFFIC. AND PANHANDLERS. AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS. God, I fucking HATE you morons. ALASKA IS NOT MARS. IT’S STUCK TO THE GODDAMN NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT! IT IS NOT AN ISLAND OFF THE COAST OF MEXICO! Aaaaargh. *Ahem* Sorry. After being born, raised, and living in Alaska for most of my life, and encountering people who STILL will not ship to Alaska (or will only ship via the most expensive method — I Buy Power, an online computer retailer, would happily ship a computer to AK. For 189.00. Uh, wtf? No, I don’t think so.), I’m a little bitter.
Also, the Gwich’in and Inupiaq people would like to state that, y’know, they kinda like LIVE in the area. And it would be nice if whitey would, like, decline to come in and make a huge mess out of the place. (It’s too bad that poster is sold out; I know at least one person that would love to have a copy.)
Two last things and I’ll go do something else:
- To get a sense of how big Alaska is, here’s a very very large picture of a valley in ANWR. (It’s 1600 x 1200 pixels; text about the trip here.)
- Technically, it’s about the Yukon, but Robert Service’s The Spell Of The Yukon has one of the best descriptions of the wild places of Alaska I’ve ever read.
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:28
Mr. Clif-
I’m not sure how petty politicians expect oil companies to drill in those lands when they tax them reprehensibly. You can’t overtax these companies and then expect them to dance when you ask them to dance. It’s amazing how cocky politicans are.
Skullhunter said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:29
SomeNYGuy, I rather imagine it would be more along the lines of a howling void than a wilderness.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:29
You liberals have already been told by serious commentators that ANWR holds nothing. Nothing nothing nothing
Holy fucking shit. Wildlife Reserve. What the fuck were you expecting? Malls? Subdivisions? It’s a wildlife reserve. The whole point is that there’s nothing there. And that nothing goes there. Wildlife Reserve.
Unless you’re seriously arguing that we shouldn’t have any wildlife reserves. Because if that’s the case, then you can just STFU since Skullhunter has already summed up your entire argument:
SowellFan said,
June 18, 2008 at 21:30
Dragon-King:
I never said that.