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		<title>By: Jelperman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jelperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea:

Morgan Tsvangirai just threw in the towel in the elections in Zimbabwe after his supporters were murdered, tortured etc by Mugabe&#039;s thugs. Since he&#039;s available, and political opposition is now one of those jobs homegrown Americans think is beneath them, why don&#039;t we just import him? We need political opposition that doesn&#039;t scare easily, and Tsvangirai needs a job and a new home.

Sounds more plausible than waiting for the Democowards to grow a pair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea:</p>
<p>Morgan Tsvangirai just threw in the towel in the elections in Zimbabwe after his supporters were murdered, tortured etc by Mugabe&#8217;s thugs. Since he&#8217;s available, and political opposition is now one of those jobs homegrown Americans think is beneath them, why don&#8217;t we just import him? We need political opposition that doesn&#8217;t scare easily, and Tsvangirai needs a job and a new home.</p>
<p>Sounds more plausible than waiting for the Democowards to grow a pair.</p>
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		<title>By: jgmurphy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill C started this trend to un-McGovernize himself I guess, and it has since become the Beast that Wouldn&#039;t Die:  henceforth, every Democrat who wants to remain &quot;viable&quot; wid da white folk must extravangantly stage a &quot;Sistah Souljah moment&quot;.  This is somehow code for &quot;I am not Al Sharpton.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill C started this trend to un-McGovernize himself I guess, and it has since become the Beast that Wouldn&#8217;t Die:  henceforth, every Democrat who wants to remain &#8220;viable&#8221; wid da white folk must extravangantly stage a &#8220;Sistah Souljah moment&#8221;.  This is somehow code for &#8220;I am not Al Sharpton.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Athabasca Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athabasca Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my honest opinion, if I properly remember, this is the greatest succession of replies to an electronically published article in history. My vocalized laughter caused the removal of my buttocks and I flipped my torso repeatedly while in a prone position.

It would please me if the preceding was of some assistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my honest opinion, if I properly remember, this is the greatest succession of replies to an electronically published article in history. My vocalized laughter caused the removal of my buttocks and I flipped my torso repeatedly while in a prone position.</p>
<p>It would please me if the preceding was of some assistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctorb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctorb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;YT&quot; is probably either &quot;yours truly&quot; (that is, the writer) or &quot;whitey&quot;.  But since Werewolf bar-Mitzvah writes like that &quot;12 Galaxies guiltied to a zegnatronic rocket society&quot; guy it&#039;s hard to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;YT&#8221; is probably either &#8220;yours truly&#8221; (that is, the writer) or &#8220;whitey&#8221;.  But since Werewolf bar-Mitzvah writes like that &#8220;12 Galaxies guiltied to a zegnatronic rocket society&#8221; guy it&#8217;s hard to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Groom said,

June 18, 2008 at 0:17 

It’s really not that bizarre. For blacks about 70% of births are out of wedlock, while for whites it is like 25%.

Because everyone knows that marriage prevents people from abandoning their children.

Umm....  ok you&#039;re right nothing to see here....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Groom said,</p>
<p>June 18, 2008 at 0:17 </p>
<p>It’s really not that bizarre. For blacks about 70% of births are out of wedlock, while for whites it is like 25%.</p>
<p>Because everyone knows that marriage prevents people from abandoning their children.</p>
<p>Umm&#8230;.  ok you&#8217;re right nothing to see here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That attacking groups that hold political power would be politically profitable?&lt;/i&gt; - mcc

Actually, that&#039;s the way our system is supposed to work, c.f. Federalist #10.

Truman managed to get bumped up to VP that way.  Of course, today the same people who &quot;long for the Democratic party of Truman&quot; would call a modern day Truman &quot;hyperpartisan and shrill and playing politics while we should be supporting the troops&quot; ... and would make sure he&#039;d never get another job in DC again.  So much for &quot;ambition being made to challenge ambition&quot;.

Nu?  Instead politicians target the powerless &#039;cause real &#039;Murkens lurve a bully!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That attacking groups that hold political power would be politically profitable?</i> &#8211; mcc</p>
<p>Actually, that&#8217;s the way our system is supposed to work, c.f. Federalist #10.</p>
<p>Truman managed to get bumped up to VP that way.  Of course, today the same people who &#8220;long for the Democratic party of Truman&#8221; would call a modern day Truman &#8220;hyperpartisan and shrill and playing politics while we should be supporting the troops&#8221; &#8230; and would make sure he&#8217;d never get another job in DC again.  So much for &#8220;ambition being made to challenge ambition&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nu?  Instead politicians target the powerless &#8217;cause real &#8216;Murkens lurve a bully!</p>
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		<title>By: mcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I just find it funny that attacking groups of people who basically wield zero political or economic clout is as politically profitable as it is.&lt;/i&gt;

Well I mean if you think about it, what were you expecting? That attacking groups that &lt;i&gt;hold&lt;/i&gt; political power would be politically profitable?

&quot; ^_^ &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just find it funny that attacking groups of people who basically wield zero political or economic clout is as politically profitable as it is.</i></p>
<p>Well I mean if you think about it, what were you expecting? That attacking groups that <i>hold</i> political power would be politically profitable?</p>
<p>&#8221; ^_^ &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: disinterested observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>disinterested observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I say we attack latte-sipping elitists.  Wait, what about Iran’s nuclear facilities?&quot;

I think its easier to beat Brad Delong than Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I say we attack latte-sipping elitists.  Wait, what about Iran’s nuclear facilities?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think its easier to beat Brad Delong than Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: The Groom</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Groom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nazi in Aisle 5!</description>
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		<title>By: The Groom</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Groom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s really not that bizarre. For blacks about 70% of births are out of wedlock, while for whites it is like 25%.&lt;/i&gt;

Because everyone knows that marriage prevents people from abandoning their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s really not that bizarre. For blacks about 70% of births are out of wedlock, while for whites it is like 25%.</i></p>
<p>Because everyone knows that marriage prevents people from abandoning their children.</p>
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		<title>By: Djur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Djur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So did someone write a RaHoWa plugin for JanusNode or what? Because I honestly can&#039;t suss out any coherence in Cory Hunter Ruger, KBE, HotJ&#039;s posts.

Does anyone have any god damned idea what a YT is, either?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So did someone write a RaHoWa plugin for JanusNode or what? Because I honestly can&#8217;t suss out any coherence in Cory Hunter Ruger, KBE, HotJ&#8217;s posts.</p>
<p>Does anyone have any god damned idea what a YT is, either?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am stealing that right now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Bon apetite!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am stealing that right now.</p></blockquote>
<p><i>Bon apetite!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Leon Trotsky, Exile-in-Mexico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Trotsky, Exile-in-Mexico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray! The neo-nazis have returned, and they speak about as well as can be expected.

Also, I didn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;die&lt;/i&gt;, I was just given a hell of a headache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray! The neo-nazis have returned, and they speak about as well as can be expected.</p>
<p>Also, I didn&#8217;t <i>die</i>, I was just given a hell of a headache.</p>
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		<title>By: Arky - Dicker of the Intertubes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arky - Dicker of the Intertubes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Observation. I used to be a welfare assistance worker and simply saw a ton of this stuff.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

OK. If that&#039;s the case then your claim: that the dad who can afford to pay CS but doesn&#039;t because he doesn&#039;t wanna is the same as the mythical welfare queen is based on ... what exactly? I&#039;m assuming you didn&#039;t have a lot of contact with families that didn&#039;t qualify for welfare.

(Full disclosure, many moons ago I was roped in to do volunteer work for a national child support group and still do a little writing when mom applies the guilt.) Unfortunately once you get beyond the basic demographic: Male, there doesn&#039;t seem to be a predictor of who is more likely to skip out on helping with the bills. Plus, the guys with steady jobs can afford lawyers which just adds an extra layer of nasty to the whole proceeding.

But education, counseling to reduce the need to drag a guy, any guy, into court? I&#039;m all for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Observation. I used to be a welfare assistance worker and simply saw a ton of this stuff.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK. If that&#8217;s the case then your claim: that the dad who can afford to pay CS but doesn&#8217;t because he doesn&#8217;t wanna is the same as the mythical welfare queen is based on &#8230; what exactly? I&#8217;m assuming you didn&#8217;t have a lot of contact with families that didn&#8217;t qualify for welfare.</p>
<p>(Full disclosure, many moons ago I was roped in to do volunteer work for a national child support group and still do a little writing when mom applies the guilt.) Unfortunately once you get beyond the basic demographic: Male, there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a predictor of who is more likely to skip out on helping with the bills. Plus, the guys with steady jobs can afford lawyers which just adds an extra layer of nasty to the whole proceeding.</p>
<p>But education, counseling to reduce the need to drag a guy, any guy, into court? I&#8217;m all for it.</p>
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		<title>By: War-Mitzfah War is Tikkun Olam</title>
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		<dc:creator>War-Mitzfah War is Tikkun Olam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BushGOP represents.  Bush brings the &quot;ghetto&quot; back to where it started, otherwise filthy jews hoarding their precious gold in the run-down slums.
Bush focuses his appreciation on the original gangsta: before the Black, before the Italian, the jew; and with help of his neocon fanclub is helping the jew break out to a whole new level of &quot;legit&quot; through national war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BushGOP represents.  Bush brings the &#8220;ghetto&#8221; back to where it started, otherwise filthy jews hoarding their precious gold in the run-down slums.<br />
Bush focuses his appreciation on the original gangsta: before the Black, before the Italian, the jew; and with help of his neocon fanclub is helping the jew break out to a whole new level of &#8220;legit&#8221; through national war.</p>
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		<title>By: SamFromUtah</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There’s a stigma?&lt;/i&gt;

Here in Utah, there sure is. For women, there&#039;s more of one than there is for men, and it&#039;s more widespread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There’s a stigma?</i></p>
<p>Here in Utah, there sure is. For women, there&#8217;s more of one than there is for men, and it&#8217;s more widespread.</p>
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		<title>By: War-Mitzfah War is Tikkun Olam</title>
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		<dc:creator>War-Mitzfah War is Tikkun Olam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rap is our national music.

Our Army loves the stuff and rapes Iraqi girls and female reserves while the jungle beasts are blasting.  Rap is aural American terrorism: &quot;freedom&quot;.  &lt;i&gt;zero political or economic clout&lt;/i&gt;

50 cent (or is it siz&#039;ent?) has called our president a &quot;gangsta&quot; in Fortune magazine, &lt;i&gt;zero political or economic clout &lt;/i&gt;.  This thug gave his props for the subsarahran IQed warlord, all Bush is missing is a spear to chuck.  A president who has enveloped the ghetto culture notion of &quot;I gotz mine, fuck ya&#039;lls&quot;.  A president who has attacked the middle class YT with impunity.  &lt;i&gt;zero political or economic clout&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rap is our national music.</p>
<p>Our Army loves the stuff and rapes Iraqi girls and female reserves while the jungle beasts are blasting.  Rap is aural American terrorism: &#8220;freedom&#8221;.  <i>zero political or economic clout</i></p>
<p>50 cent (or is it siz&#8217;ent?) has called our president a &#8220;gangsta&#8221; in Fortune magazine, <i>zero political or economic clout </i>.  This thug gave his props for the subsarahran IQed warlord, all Bush is missing is a spear to chuck.  A president who has enveloped the ghetto culture notion of &#8220;I gotz mine, fuck ya&#8217;lls&#8221;.  A president who has attacked the middle class YT with impunity.  <i>zero political or economic clout</i></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Obama, his expression was both personal and political, and was not directed at Blacks alone. Further, his major concern was directed at physical and emotional abandonment.

Sister Souljah (and Ricky Ray Rector) moments were based on political considerations alone.


I luv Obama supporters.  Good to know that Obama&#039;s intentions are always pure, unlike those vile Clinton&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Obama, his expression was both personal and political, and was not directed at Blacks alone. Further, his major concern was directed at physical and emotional abandonment.</p>
<p>Sister Souljah (and Ricky Ray Rector) moments were based on political considerations alone.</p>
<p>I luv Obama supporters.  Good to know that Obama&#8217;s intentions are always pure, unlike those vile Clinton&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas Watts said,

June 17, 2008 at 6:43 

What I like is the bizarre implication that deadbeat dads are a “black” problem. Ever been to a trailer park in Sabbatus, Maine ?


It&#039;s really not that bizarre.  For blacks about 70% of births are out of wedlock, while for whites it is like 25%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas Watts said,</p>
<p>June 17, 2008 at 6:43 </p>
<p>What I like is the bizarre implication that deadbeat dads are a “black” problem. Ever been to a trailer park in Sabbatus, Maine ?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really not that bizarre.  For blacks about 70% of births are out of wedlock, while for whites it is like 25%.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Hayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arky: &lt;i&gt;Stats? Links? Anything?

From what I’ve seen you’re um … wrong. The courts are more than willing to look at the absent parent’s finances when determining the amount of support.&lt;/i&gt;

Observation. I used to be a welfare assistance worker and simply saw a ton of this stuff. And I started out privately judgmental against the dads. While it&#039;s true that many courts (particularly in the more civilized regions of the country) set fair amounts, a goodly number of the dads never get to the courtroom at all. (Why? Many reasons, but being poor and lacking legal representation, many are simply averse to courtrooms out of fear. Some, I&#039;m sure, just don&#039;t care about their kids nor their responsibilities.)

As a result, support gets ordered by default, sometimes based on what the custodial parent requests and sometimes by what a state child support agency requests and that often reflects nothing similar to what the non-custodial parent&#039;s income is.

I&#039;m well aware of how men&#039;s &#039;rights&#039; group play the game and am not acting as an apologist for their BS. I advocate for classes that help both parents overcome the hurdles of ignorance about the courts, the best interests of the kids, etc. That tends to maintain or create a partnership instead of power struggles rooted in anger, ignorance and/or fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arky: <i>Stats? Links? Anything?</p>
<p>From what I’ve seen you’re um … wrong. The courts are more than willing to look at the absent parent’s finances when determining the amount of support.</i></p>
<p>Observation. I used to be a welfare assistance worker and simply saw a ton of this stuff. And I started out privately judgmental against the dads. While it&#8217;s true that many courts (particularly in the more civilized regions of the country) set fair amounts, a goodly number of the dads never get to the courtroom at all. (Why? Many reasons, but being poor and lacking legal representation, many are simply averse to courtrooms out of fear. Some, I&#8217;m sure, just don&#8217;t care about their kids nor their responsibilities.)</p>
<p>As a result, support gets ordered by default, sometimes based on what the custodial parent requests and sometimes by what a state child support agency requests and that often reflects nothing similar to what the non-custodial parent&#8217;s income is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m well aware of how men&#8217;s &#8216;rights&#8217; group play the game and am not acting as an apologist for their BS. I advocate for classes that help both parents overcome the hurdles of ignorance about the courts, the best interests of the kids, etc. That tends to maintain or create a partnership instead of power struggles rooted in anger, ignorance and/or fear.</p>
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