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What Wingnut Welfare’s All About
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
Irving Kristol, as quoted by Sidney Blumenthal in Rise of the Counter-Establishment (pg 154.):
Business understands the need for intellectuals [he, self-flatteringly, means neoconservatives]… Basically, it wants intellectuals to go out and justify profits and explain to people why corporations make a lot of money.
Just as every whore will eventually find his/her perfect john, neocon publicists finally found their dream clients: the malefactors of great wealth. Irving Kristol was and is not just a well-paid whore, but also the liaison — or, to properly continue the analogy — pimp for this relationship:
Kristol included scientists, lawyers, city planners, social workers, educators, criminologists, sociologists, and public health physicians whose hidden agenda, he discerned, was to propel the nation toward an economic system “so stringently regulated in detail as to fulfill many of the traditional anticapitalist aspirations of the Left.”…
…Kristol asked whether it was in the long-term interest of corporations to continue to support institutions that had proved so hostile. He appealed for a more discriminating corporate philanthropy that would identify and support those academics and intellectuals who believed in a strong private sector. Though they were few, they could be found, he insisted. And through the *Institute for Educational Affairs which he and William E. Simon founded in 1978, financial resources directed toward sympathetic scholars and the research projects of think tanks.
And that, children, is how the fink tank/wingnut welfare tradition started.
LittlePig said,
June 2, 2008 at 14:40
Well, thank you Sunshine.
A little too grim for Monday morn, sir.
OTB said,
June 2, 2008 at 14:55
free copies of Atlas Shrugged for all!
Derelict said,
June 2, 2008 at 14:58
“the traditional anticapitalist aspirations of the Left”
Amazing that their entire system of “governance” is based entirely upon crushing a caricature. The “Left” that Kristol and the rest of his ilk battle exists nowhere but in their own imaginations. Is it any wonder the country’s completely screwed up?
Simba B said,
June 2, 2008 at 15:01
Here, have a little something to cheer you up.
Susan of Texas said,
June 2, 2008 at 15:06
Thanks, Simba. You’re a peach.
Especially funny is the fact he worked as a researcher. Imagine hiring Jonah to do intellectual work for a book. His employer is lucky the book didn’t end up looking like this.
Blue Buddha said,
June 2, 2008 at 15:17
Just like the theocons’ continuous battle against Satan worshiping fetus killing butt fucking evilutionist jihadi Mooslims. Sure, the “Left” wants more economic regulation, but it’s a far leap from that to Stalinist communism. You give these fuckers a nanometer, and they make a lightyear out of it.
El Cid said,
June 2, 2008 at 15:37
Actually, big business launched an organized counter-attack against labor and the New Deal reforms in the late 1960s, and by the 1970s had begun setting up alternate institutions to propagate their message since they could no longer rely on academic institutions to so simply robotically repeat their missives.
So, clearly, arrogant sh*ts like Kristols 1 & 2 portray this as something they cleverly engineered, when all they were in reality were the hired help.
What Domhoff means by the “moderate conservatives” are those who are primarily interested in advancing the interests of business and capitalists; the radical conservatives such as the barking John Birch society types become useful to the “moderate conservatives”.
Later, you could see how the Reaganite and then the Bush Jr / Newt Gingrich brought the two groups — business conservatives and screaming rightwing neo-imperialist fatherland nutjobs — together.
Smiling Mortician said,
June 2, 2008 at 15:38
OK. I wait all weekend for a post that does something other than remind me that I won’t be drinking sadly in Portland this evening, and this is what I get? Irving Kristol? Man, I hate Irving Kristol.
Cangrejero said,
June 2, 2008 at 15:39
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
Ah, but they’ve completely bypassed this by repeatedly claiming that fat corporate profits mean more money for you and me. They’ve taken morality out of the picture. Not exactly the first time for that, but you know what I mean.
g said,
June 2, 2008 at 15:47
He appealed for a more discriminating corporate philanthropy that would identify and support those academics and intellectuals who believed in a strong private sector. Though they were few, they could be found, he insisted.
Or faked.
DrDick said,
June 2, 2008 at 16:14
How sweet. A charity devoted to the care and feeding of the morally handicapped.
fortran trousers said,
June 2, 2008 at 16:25
Kristol included scientists, lawyers, city planners, social workers, educators, criminologists, sociologists, and public health physicians whose
hiddenagenda, he refused to discerned, wasto propel the nation toward an economic system “so stringently regulated in detail as to fulfill many of the traditional anticapitalist aspirations of the Left.”…a safe, functioning, prosperous society.Fixed.
Or shorter Kristol: Common decency = Communism. Here’s my invoice.
WereBear said,
June 2, 2008 at 16:41
Part of the dazzling idiocy of this approach is that they would have nothing to sell without the creative drive and ideas of the very people they are trying to trample into the mud.
The personal computer, to name just one ubiquitous commodity, would not exist without a small band of dedicated nuts who were ignored by the Business Community until their point became The Bleedin’ Obvious.
Of course, they’re stupid, so they think it doesn’t matter.
Rightwingsnarkle said,
June 2, 2008 at 16:46
Goldberg has also been critical of the French and claims credit for popularizing the term “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” to refer to them.
If by “claims credit for popularizing” he means repeating one of Groundskeeper Willie’s most notable lines.
Being a wingnut welfarian means being a thief, in more ways than one.
Fucking wankers.
HTML Mencken said,
June 2, 2008 at 16:47
El Cid — Thanks for that. I do remember reading somewhere that Lewis Powell had an earlier turn in the role Kristol played. And it seems like AEI, Manhattan, Heritage, etc. were around well before the late 70s. But they weren’t as big. I think Kristol does deserve credit/blame for expanding the infrastructure. Remember that the sorry bastard got a WSJ gig in the mid-70s. That was the perfect bully pulpit.
DocAmazing said,
June 2, 2008 at 16:50
Hey–don’t think that it’s been all beer & skittles for the Kristollnacht Kids. As Big Daddy Kane reminds us, pimpin’ ain’t easy.
SomeNYGuy said,
June 2, 2008 at 16:57
You can always tell if it’s real Irving Kristol by the sound it makes when you run your finger around the rim.
El Cid said,
June 2, 2008 at 16:59
The funny part is that it turns out that the Republican-leaning “moderate” (i.e., Big Biz) conservatives have been hurt by linking their wagons to the “Deregulation Now, Deregulation Forever / Blow Up the Middle East / Crazy Rapture Talk” ultra-right.
Serves ‘em right, too.
FuriousGeorge said,
June 2, 2008 at 17:03
Part of the dazzling idiocy of this approach is that they would have nothing to sell without the creative drive and ideas of the very people they are trying to trample into the mud.
The one thing that binds together the disparate branches of Movement Conservatism – the Jesus crew, the big business acolytes, the permanent war people – is anti-intellectualism. It’s the place where all of their interests converge, and the jumping off point to selling it to the American people.
Star Parker said,
June 2, 2008 at 17:05
Hey! A gal’s gotta do what a gal’s gotta do.
LittlePig said,
June 2, 2008 at 17:12
Serves ‘em right, too.
Yep. It seems the poor fellows never read the parable of the Goose That Laid The Golden Eggs.
El Cid said,
June 2, 2008 at 17:17
The sad part is, they did, and what they got from it was that they didn’t kill the goose soon enough, and the best way forward is a surge in goose-killing.
MrWonderful said,
June 2, 2008 at 17:25
I just want to repeat this. Because it’s so importantly true:
#
“WereBear said,
June 2, 2008 at 16:41
Part of the dazzling idiocy of this approach is that they would have nothing to sell without the creative drive and ideas of the very people they are trying to trample into the mud.
The personal computer, to name just one ubiquitous commodity, would not exist without a small band of dedicated nuts who were ignored by the Business Community until their point became The Bleedin’ Obvious.
Of course, they’re stupid, so they think it doesn’t matter.”
Tell it, brother. And it holds for all the art, music, literature, theater, etc. they pride themselves on “appreciating.” One is tempted to say that all of culture is an effort by civilization to rescue itself from Irving Kristol and his gang of smug yobbos.
Satan's Dirty Underwear said,
June 2, 2008 at 17:30
Oh boo fucking hoo. So the guy got rich sucking some rich cock. You’re just jealous.
Besides, total laissez faire has been proven time and again to be the only reasonable way.
Also, the surge is working.
Arky H8r of VurdPress said,
June 2, 2008 at 17:34
Crikey. Tis’ the inspiration for Dick Cheney’s Quest for a Vice President.
PeeJ said,
June 2, 2008 at 17:35
Stoopids people have been doing it since forever. It’s the kill more cats syndrome.
jim said,
June 2, 2008 at 17:42
Social infrastructure: Marxist menace or Satanist conspiracy?
They prefer barbarism, but if you ask nicely, & wear some of that Corporate Brown Lipstick they go for, they’ll settle for feudalism.
OneMan said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:03
A couple of examples appeared in my Sunday newspaper over the weekend. George Will, reliably reactionary asshole, doesn’t like carbon cap-n-trade systems because it’s a “government grab for power.” Never mind that it was the right that advocated for cap-n-trade on (I think) sulphur dioxide in the 80s and that that program turned out to be wildly successful. “It’s creating artificial shortage (the shortage of the freedom to dump carbon into the atmosphere) and therefore it’s bad!!1!” Sheesh.
Then there’s one of my favorite retards to hate: Chuckie Krauthammer doesn’t think we should act on global warming because it’s all based on those model thingies and we all know that those are all wrong. So therefore we shouldn’t do anything. I’m too lazy to chase it down but it’s my understanding that the models’ problem has mostly been that they have under-predicted the changes that have already actually occurred. But for god’s sake, let’s not change our ways until the models are perfected!!1! Argh.
And these are their intellectuals. Worse: they’ve held sway for 20 years now.
WereBear said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:11
Thanks for the link, PeeJ.
Not having the slightest understanding of how things actually work will blow up on you every time.
For instance, a most glaring deficit that has seemed to escape their notice is that forcing all their consumers into underemployment and third world poverty would reduce said consumers ready cash for purchasing purposes.
Perhaps there’s an upside to this third world poverty thing I’m not grasping…
Susan of Texas said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:29
But then all you have to do is lower interest rates and they’ll borrow the money. That’ll last until the payments come due and work their way through the inevitable lawsuits and bankruptcies. Then Big Business will just sell to Europe and Asia. When that goes bad they’ll go after whatever’s left–water, air, soil, whatever. It’ll never end because greed never ends.
PS said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:30
Pigs fly: Young Billy Kristol (of the ilk) describes his own writing as “banal and platitudinous” in today’s New York Times.
Then he tries to mug Obama with stuff that is neither factual nor telling. Talk among yourselves. nothing else to see there …
Nimrod Gently said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:30
I demand that the Sadlies snark this article immediately.
I am 100% serious. Do it.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:39
I demand that the Sadlies snark this immediately.
tb said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:41
It’s been done.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:42
Kristol asked whether it was in the long-term interest of corporations to continue to support institutions that had proved so hostile.
Indeed, it’s the bucks rolling in from corporate entities that’s keeping all our scientitsts, city planners, public health physicians and social workers rolling in TEH PHAT LEWTS. Hardly a day goes by that some stinking tree-hugging environmentalist doesn’t la-de-dah his way past in his Halliburton sponsored solid gold litter, smoking his grey poupon with caviar. WTF is he talking about? Admittedly, lawyers are getting pretty fat off of this sort of thing, but a lot less fat than any of their classmates.
justme said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:44
Are you kidding? Kristol and pals will be able to get actual English speaking people, possibly with degrees, to do their domestic work for twelve bucks a day. You think immigration is a hot button issue now? Just wait ’til middle America actually needs that gig manually separating rendered pig solids. The Republicans will never lose another election.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:46
rb,
from the wiki, snark accomplished:
“The sycophant—who in the pay of the English oligarchy played the romantic laudator temporis acti against the French Revolution just as, in the pay of the North American colonies at the beginning of the American troubles, he had played the liberal against the English oligarchy—was an out-and-out vulgar bourgeois.”
Typical Republican said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:47
Yeah, but Michelle Obama said “whitey”!!!!
I understand why sane, honest, decent, rational people might shrug their shoulders at that, but I’m milking it for all it’s worth.
Liberals. Hmf.
Pontopiddan said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:47
Kristol needs to go get a nice sammich from MickeyDees and shut the fuck up.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:47
Man that Marx guy writes like a fadge-ing thesaurophile. laudator temporis acti my ass.
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:48
Then Big Business will just sell to Europe and Asia. When that goes bad they’ll go after whatever’s left–water, air, soil, whatever. It’ll never end because greed and corporations never ends.
New and improved!!
tigrismus said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:49
I don’t know, justme, I think they’d be lined up against the wall before it got that bad.
pedestrian said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:50
The Republicans will never lose another election.
Under ideal conditions a Republican candidate will be able to win over entire villages by flinging fistfulls of rice before election day.
SomeNYGuy said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:50
Kristol’s op-ed today berates Obama for not urging the Wesleyan students to enlist in the military.
Funny, Kristol was just the right age to serve in Vietnam. I guess Daddy wouldn’t let him serve his country, insisting instead that Billy go straight into the family business (collecting wingnut welfare.)
pedestrian said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:51
I think they’d be lined up against the wall before it got that bad.
Not until we’ve run out of brown people. And communists. And gay people. And witches.
justme said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:54
Ah, the concept of relative wealth gone horribly wrong, or taken to its logical conclusion. Same thing, really. If you believe that absolute condition has no meaning, and all that matters is how much more you have than the next guy, then bankrupting the country is as good as winning the lottery.
While, arguably, your lawn will look much better in the short term with PhDs mowing it for shoe-leather jerky, as a viable ideology to further the societies of mankind, it leaves something to be desired.
justme said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:56
Which they?
Dorothy said,
June 2, 2008 at 18:58
Man, I hate Irving Kristol.
Don’t be so harsh. He was really good on Soap, and he presided over one of the “funny peaks” on SNL…
Oh, wait…
Huh? said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:03
I don’t feel really that shocked by this it like they cry about how the market should decide yet they are not in the market them selves.
Anyway the link is to Jeralyn farewell rant. The lady may be bat-shit crazy when it comes Clinton but wow these spinning numbers to be pro-Clinton are pretty wild and far fetched, but she will never say quit on this. So you have to give that to her.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:04
So we can’t do it again?
P.S. As long as we’re pondering the rise of wingnut welfare, let’s not forget the billionaire (who inherited his banking empire, of course) who has done the most: Richard Mellon Scaife.
For extra snarkitude, I attended a lecture/cheerleading event (encouraged by our employer) last year in Columbus. Among the speakers, was Steve Forbes, Jr., who extolled the virtues of capitalism and hard work.
tigrismus said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:07
If your brown gay commie witch neighbors are starving, too, how long before you all gang up on the guy with all the money and food? Starvation tends to be pretty radicalizing, and though minorities would bear some of the brunt, especially at first, the more people affected, the more likely the wealthy would become the primary targets, on practical grounds if not ideological.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:07
Also, in case, someone ever needs, extra commas, here, you, go.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:11
Thanks commas have been pretty scarce here since me and my friends accidentally ran the ATV through the comma garden popping wheelies and doing doughnuts and so forth.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:22
You stinking comma-nists and your collective punctuation.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:24
P.S. I note that tigrismus has made extensive comma use in the post after my overly exhuberant use of commas. I wish, to state, at this point, that my comma comment, was not, directed, towards tigrismus’ comment, or commas.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:28
I prefer my sentences to have that colonial je ne sais quoi: makes ‘em look important.
RobW said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:30
Great. My front hedge is now a topiary sculpture of Proust. Who the hell’s idea was it to hire PhD’s to do my lawn?
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:32
Right from Zombie Marx’s own mouth (after sticking it to Burke):
“A spectre is haunting Sadly,No!— the spectre of comma-nism. All the grammarians have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: (Carole) Pope and (Punctuation)Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals (this was from before we knew how “le jus de la pomegranate” could help control French Radicals) and German police-spies (Just goes to show that those Marxists can’t be trusted. I mean Godwinning in 1848?!).”
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:34
Who the hell’s idea was it to hire PhD’s to do my lawn?
Tell me about it. You have no idea what kind of mess can be made of your kitchen if you hire a deconstruction crew.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:34
Hey Mar-eeo- issa da comma before da storm-a.
PeeJ said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:38
It’s time to ‘raise up’ the comma’s to where they ‘belong’. Post’s and comment’s that denigrate the comma’s by ‘abasing’ it will be ’snarked’
Comma’s ‘belong’ above the letter’s.
John Brown™³²®© said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:42
Hmph!
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:42
commas ain’t shit but hos and tricks
Candy said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:46
Comma comma comma comma comma chameleon
You come and go
You come and go
Boy George said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:47
Comma comma comma comma comma chameleon…
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:49
Goddamn it!
John Brown™³²®© said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:51
RB pwned again!one1!
Susan of Texas said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:51
Commas are apostrophes that have come down in the world.
Mae West said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:54
Why don’t you comma and see me sometime.
Candy said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:54
Comma one, comma all
Sadly No is an icommaclast.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:56
RB pwned again!one1!
John Brown nutty about pwnage: big whoop.
justme said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:56
Oh, comma-n
tigrismus said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:57
What’s the deal with semicolons? The thought of half poops gives me pause.
justme said,
June 2, 2008 at 19:59
isn’t that just a comma that’s having its period?
PeeJ said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:04
Aw ‘cmon already.
PeeJ said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:07
S’uup? Y’all lapsing into a comma or sumpin?
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:07
Hail to thee oh semicolon,
Crutch of pedant masked as Solon,
Aid to bold Non Sequitur;
The weather’s nice today.
joeyess said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:09
A troupe of drunkards that leave a picture of Jonah GolfPantaloonsDoughyLoad up- for 50 hours I might add – walk out of the house with a fist full of cash and credit cards on a Saturday afternoon for an evening of Drinking Sadly, then stagger back into the office,two days later, wearing the same clothes, reeking of vodka, sporting new roach burns on their shirts and a set of keys to a car that they, for the life of them, couldn’t begin to tell you how they came into their possession. What did you expect? Enlightened discourse? Hell, these guys are running on Visine and a sugar rush, give ‘em a few hours. Sheesh!
Iris said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:12
It is so unsurprising that the Obots on Sadly, O! would make fun of hard-working Americans who happen to be on welfare. Since when have you people even attempted to stand for the struggling Reagan Democrats throughout Appalachia- that beating heart of America’s soul? Yes, they may happen to need government assistance, but that doesn’t mean their votes don’t count. I’m worried that Obama in his rush to frame Hillary Clinton under the usual misogynistic vicegrip has steamrolled these hard-working Democrats, and that John McCain will easily pick up these votes and roll to a November win. The Democrat Party would best heed my advice and nominate Hillary, the one *true* hard-working American candidate in the field.
Oregon Guy said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:13
Damn, Fake Iris is good.
Irv Kristol said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:14
Once we take out the guards, we’ll be able to sneak in to the Sadly, No! comma centre and activate the self-destruct. Then we’ll break into the vaults and escape with all of that filthy social justice moneys which we can use to fund our conservatorium thinkerjob maker!
Irv Kristol said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:20
Why do they call it puntuation? It isn’t punctual at all. The vast majority of it comes pretty late in the sentence, as in at the very end. I guess they couldn’t call it tard-uation because then we’d think it was all provided by Jonah.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:23
Does “Rise of the Counter-Establishment” have anything to do with Graeme Frost and his corporate sponsored solid gold countertops?
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:31
Iris, I think you,re looking for Sadly, Oi !
PeeJ said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:34
Eh. The real Iris would be much more belligerent_comma_ insistent_comma_ verbose_comma_ and whiny. But that wasn’t bad for a beginner_period
PeeJ said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:36
Irv Kristol asked: Why do they call it puntuation?
Because people like you and your boy kick the grammar around like a junior leaguer.
Snorghagen said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:37
You can trace this sort of shit even further back. In May 1914 the Rockefellers hired pioneering public relations expert Ivy Lee “to burnish the family image” after coalminers on strike against Rockefeller-owned mines were massacred at Ludlow, Colorado. Lee was a consummate shill who frequently proclaimed his total commitment to complete honesty while he was lying his ass off. His work for the Rockefellers after the Ludlow Massacre is one of the first examples of the effective propagation of corporate misinformation through the systematic, sustained manipulation of the press – a turning point in the history of bullshit.
Bonus weird fact: Ivy Lee was William S. Burroughs’ uncle.
(Thanks for the info, El Cid)
ahem said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:44
Far too derivative, troll. Sorry: try again.
bago said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:54
The fact is, commas are a great way to start a sentence.
Pontopiddan said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:54
Us moonbat mexislamohomofascists will ensure that Barack Obama wins the Dem nomination. I only hope Billy Kristol promises to leave the country when Obama becomes President.
William Kristol said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:54
So, like, totes OMG! Did you hear that Obama like didn’t talk about the troops at that speech thingy he gave? Like, at all? Wazzup with that?
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:55
You think that’s derivative trolling, try this:
Sure Obama’s in the lead right now but that’s only due to his performance before Feb. 20. Clearly the trend is in Hillary’s favor. A smart investor would place themselves behind Hillary futures. Not only will she get votes from states that count, but also from all the by-product states. Escaping the coffin that the Obamania MSM has built will be a real Houdini act.
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:56
Ivy Lee did John D to make sure that the people united will always be defeated.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:56
Most of my sentences start with
and the prisonomer will be reamnded into the custody of the state
Gary Ruppert said,
June 2, 2008 at 20:58
The fact is, all of you should just shut up.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:00
Looka this and note the comments:
http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2008/06/unreal.html
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:16
Floating torture chambers! Up to 17 prison boats plying the seas with their secret cargo of the disappeared! Wow, talk about Accelerating Your Life(tm). One tour and you’ll have more than enough material to regret into your golden years.
sagra said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:20
and the prisonomer will be reamnded into the custody of the state
Sounds painful.
tigrismus said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:22
I note Gary hasn’t brought up tongue baths in quite a while. Tough breakup, lil guy? Let it out, we’re here for you.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:22
Yeah, I guess it would have been funny without the tipo.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:24
YAYS! 100+ comments and no one has welcomed any overlords!
tigrismus said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:31
I for one welcome our non-overlord welcoming… aw, screw it.
SamFromUtah said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:33
YAYS! 100+ comments and no one has welcomed any overlords!
Hooray! No under-bus throwing, nor “the stupid! It buuuuurrrns!” “good times, good times” or “Bzzt! Thanks for playing!” either.
I’m still amused by “Well played”, but I don’t think it’s got long before the bloom is off.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:36
We have had a “fixed” but the “fuck” count is way low. Get fucking with it you assholes.
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:37
The USS Bataan floating torture camp. Does anyone even think about this stuff? At all? Even a little bit?
I was recently in Norfolk, VA. I happened upon the MacArthur Center, a 3 level mall in the center of town, right next to the MacArthur Memorial. At the time, I thought it seemed crass and tasteless to combine the shiny mall and the solemn memorial. But this, this…. These people have no sense.
Some 10,000 people died and this is how we remember them? With a torture ship?
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:37
BOOOS! All those comma comments and no one brought up footnote George.
Oregon Guy said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:39
Its about time someone brought in their bag of dicks though. You never know when a bag of dicks will come in handy.
Snorghagen said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:41
Not even a single Just sayin’! Is there some kind og global cliché shortage going on?
‘Fuck’ and ‘bag of dicks’ are different. Those are essential to civilized discourse.
D. Sidhe said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:43
Just as every whore will eventually find his/her perfect john,
Where the fuck did *that* come from? Mostly they just end up dead, actually. I demand the aphorism police come and slap someone with a fish.
PeeJ said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:45
[tossing brussell sprout grenade]
Hoosier X said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:51
I know a little bit about Ivy Lee. His PR work for the Nazis ruined him.
I have a friend who is fascinated by PR (she is NOT a fan) and she was showing me a video about the history of PR … and it didn’t mention Ivy Lee. PR has done a bit of PR on its own history and they have made Edward Bernays – slightly less loathesome than Ivy Lee – the father of PR. Bernays was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, and he claims he got his ideas on PR from his understanding of Freud. I believe he got his start in the Office of War Information, the US government’s PR arm during World War I.
Bernays’ best example of postwar PR is hiring a bunch of women to smoke as a group during a women’s suffrage march, attracting the notice of the press and linking women’s independence, women’s suffrage and smoking.
Yep. That’s something to be proud of.
Pontopiddan said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:51
Gary Ruppert, aka Colonel Lardass leader of the 101st keyboarding division.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:52
Al Gore’s Eye of Newt Tabbouli
Ingredients:
1 peccary, jellied
2 portions bitter eye of newt, charred
3 jiggers tongue of dog, glazed
3 cups nuclear lizard nose, outwardly tossed
2 cups ginger
1 bunch mustard
Sluggishly grease a cookie sheet. Separate peccary brain from foot. Mock foot. Mix the eye of newt with the tongue of dog over low heat in a skillet. Pour resulting goo over the peccary. Marinate – very humanely – the lizard nose, ginger, and the mustard. Heap the latter combination on to the former. Abandon for 104 hours. Serves 2 individuals with great stomachs.
Typical Republican said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:55
Dude. You can not make Eye of Newt Tabbouli without chicory.
Liberals. Hmf.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 21:57
In other Kristol news, Duncan Donuts Black is picking on poor Billy for hacking it up in his NYT column. First for criticiz[ing] Barack Obama for what he himself has long failed to do and then linking the ThinkProgress piece pointing out that Billy is paying Weekly Standard editorial assisstants less than half the national median.
And as if called by the siren, guess who want to add to the discussion.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:00
How does one mock a peccary foot? Nyah nyah, you lump of connective tissue, we’re only after the tasty organs. Seriously, I need to know, I’ve already started defrosting the lizard nose in the microwave.
Hoosier X said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:01
I have just re-read my post on Edward Bernays and I want to revise my assesment. Bernays is not less loathesome than Ivy Lee. He is probably worse. He is just slightly more presentable because he didn’t work for the Nazis.
At least Ivy Lee stood by his profession and its main rationale, that all image problems are PR problems. In for a dime, in for a dollar.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:04
Look, if you guys don’t want to follow the advice of St. Al Gore then prepare for an iceberg to melt in your kitchen after you fuck up the tabbouli.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:06
Incidentally, our friend Joe was 22 at the time of the Tet Offensive.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:12
Hey, enjoy the drinking Sadlynaughts. I hear someone’s been working on tabbouli since Thursday morning.
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:16
Look, if you guys don’t want to follow the advice of St. Al Gore then prepare for an iceberg to melt in your kitchen after you fuck
upthe tabbouli.Tabbouli’s some kind of pastry, right?
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:24
POWs were transported out of the Philippines on these ships.
J— said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:28
Re: blog clichés
Over the last few years, Rox Populi has done some Banned/Retired Stock Phrases of the Blogosphere threads. I’ve been waiting for months for the next one so I can put down “just sayin’” and “what [someone else's name] said.”
Tom said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:32
The right wing does not support capitalism or a free market. What they support is huge corporations who can crush their competition through monopoly practices.
Smut Clyde said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:34
My front hedge is now a topiary sculpture of Proust. Who the hell’s idea was it to hire PhD’s to do my lawn?
RobW now lives in a veritable utopiary.
I hope you like their landscape gardening, with the new patio, surrounded by a colonnade constructed from left-over punctuation.
SamFromUtah said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:36
I’ve been waiting for months for the next one so I can put down “just sayin’” and “what [someone else's name] said.”
I’ll have to chase those threads down. Do they have “made of win” / “wins the internets” and my personal anti-favorite mangled cliché, “Rinse, lather, repeat?”
The FDL comment threads are, as the immortal Myles na gCopaleen once wrote of his own Catechism of Cliché, a unique compendium of all that is nauseating in contemporary writing – a harrowing survey of sub-literature and all that is pseudo, mal-dicted and calloused in the underworld of print.
not even an mba said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:36
Well Tom, some of the right wing does in fact support unfettered capitalism. THAT”S WHY THEY ARE ALWAYS YELLING.
scythia said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:38
Wait, so is “AEI” just the Spanish abbreviation for “Institute for Educational Affairs”?
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:42
“made of win” / “wins the internets”
I hate this because each day poor individuals all over the globe other than myself lose the internets. It makes me sad.
mikey said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:45
mikey said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:46
And I don’t even wanna MENTION those assholes who don’t close their stoopid tags….
mikey
J— said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:46
SamFromUtah: I think this is her most recent thread on clichés. It includes links to the previous ones.
tigrismus said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:46
I’d like for the word “ilk” to be used less. And other words of its sort.
SamFromUtah said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:47
I hate this because each day poor individuals all over the globe other than myself lose the internets. It makes me sad.
We should have a self-esteem-building “Everyone Wins an Internets” day.
SamFromUtah said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:49
Aha, thanks, J-.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:49
Sam wins the internets!
picklefactory said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:51
Hey — can someone link me to an entry with the “pointing, shouting” guy? I am finding myself in dire need.
SamFromUtah said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:52
Sam wins the internets!
Who, me? …I’d like to thank my momma and Elvis. I plan to donate my winnings to the FromUtah Internets Fund, established so that underprivileged commenters may each be issued an Internet.
J— said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:53
Every time I read one of those “so-and-so is full of win,” “so-and-so for the win,” or “so-and-so wins the thread” comments, the first thought that crosses my mind is “Who the fuck made you arbiter?” The second is “And when did commenting become a competitive event?”
SamFromUtah said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:55
I KNOW!! Let’s tell ‘em….
I prefer to keep my aggression passive.
Athenawise said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:57
You’re all wrong. I win.
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:57
Torture ships. Brilliant.
Just sayin’
tigrismus said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:58
I always think “skunked again.” Damn you, SamFromUtah! I shake my tiny fists at you in wordless fury, or at least that’s what I would be doing if I weren’t typing.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 22:59
J— wins the internets from Sam, masterfully beating him down to take the title belt until Athenawise won the internets with an eye gouge!
tigrismus said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:02
DAMMIT!
Righteous Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:05
Fiery outrage from tigrismus wrests the internets belt from Athenawise’s bloody hands! Win!
J— said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:10
Wait, commenting is like professional wrestling? Why didn’t anyone tell me this before? Forget what I said about competitive events. I’m in!
As soon as I find my Super Comentarista mask.
tigrismus said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:13
It feels empty when it’s just a pity win. Maybe this means I can finally refind that 4-bit pixel porn site though…
Masked Justos Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:14
Yo soy el traductor Google monstruo! Voy a aplastar todos los competidores!
PeeJ said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:17
That Bernays documentary is fascinating. I have all four episodes which I downloaded from somewhere. Let’s see, try
http://www.documentary-film.net/search/video-listings.php?e=70
It’s called “Century of the Self”
PeeJ said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:19
Oh that’s right. How silly of me. I downloaded them from Great Gazoogle video.
Some Guy said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:24
Hehehe. Commenting is so much more fun when you imagine everyone dressed like Luchadores with fireworks and fanfares by campy mariachi bands.
Now I’m pumped! Where’s my sparkly spandex face mask!? FLYING CHUPACABRA KICK!
Masked Justos Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:29
Mis adversarios se estrangulador en sus comas!
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:29
Fuck, are we back on sex costumes again?
Masked Justos Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:32
Stryx gana la Internets!
Sad, lonely, comma said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:32
the “fuck” count is way low.
Can we leave my personal life out of this_comma_please?
Dim-witted badger said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:34
fucking pelicans
stryx said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:36
goooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Senora Susan de Texas said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:41
I para una recepción nuestros overlords que usan de la piel.
J— said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:45
goooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Super Pedante te corrige y te quita el
¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Justos Bubba said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:49
¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡Super Pedante gana la Internets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GoatBoy said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:53
Punctuate the bourgeoisie!
J— said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:54
We’re all Bastion Boogers now.
slackor said,
June 2, 2008 at 23:55
screw the repetitive phrases what’s a lurker gotta do to get some photoshopped sammiches around here?
Righteous Bubba said,
June 3, 2008 at 0:00
Sigh. Who’s Booger wrestling now, do you think? Iris?
Senora Susan de Texas said,
June 3, 2008 at 0:01
Iris wrestles Obamabots in Jell-O (TM).
Some Guy said,
June 3, 2008 at 0:11
So I was in a rented Stingray, and it was over-heating. I pulled into a Shell station; he said I had blown a seal. I said, “Fix the damn thing and leave my private life out of it, okay pal?”
I have no problem with the Clinton/Obama thing being resolved via death match not unlike when Kirk and Spock fought to the death. Bwabwabwa-bwa-bwa-bwa-bwa-DAH-DAHDAH-DAH-DAH!
Gary Ruppert said,
June 3, 2008 at 0:12
The fact is, I sing in a mariachi band.
Snorghagen said,
June 3, 2008 at 0:12
I got dibs on being El Borbah.
Mmmmmm…
Every other prostitute on the street today said,
June 3, 2008 at 0:15
Just as every whore will eventually find his/her perfect john…
Oh really? See, I didn’t know that.
FuriousGeorge said,
June 3, 2008 at 0:30
I have no problem with the Clinton/Obama thing being resolved via death match not unlike when Kirk and Spock fought to the death. Bwabwabwa-bwa-bwa-bwa-bwa-DAH-DAHDAH-DAH-DAH!
I picture it more like this.
John Brown™³²®© said,
June 3, 2008 at 1:12
I picture it more like this.
That scene rocks!
whateverdude said,
June 3, 2008 at 1:33
…Kristol asked whether it was in the long-term interest of corporations to continue to support institutions that had proved so hostile.
How can the wingnuts get things SO wrong? Of all people, they should know that Charles Elmer Doolin, the inventor of both “Cheetos” and “Fritos” was an ardent vegetarian (and thus, a fascist), yet they virtually live off of his fascistic snacks. He was allied with Gandhi (a super-fascist) and yet his inventions have been the source of billions of dollars of capitalistic enterprise (most of it from otherwise paste-eating denizens of the Right) since their original creation, keeping Pakistani-jihadist-7-11’s rolling in dough, enabling them to continue pushing us into Sharia law!
Kristol, as head wingnut, has done *nothing* to dissuade his winger brethren to stop this Islamofascist funding by swearing off the Cheeto (and its delicious counterpart, the Frito) as they dip their pudgy fingers into the cheesy-goodness again and again. We all remember the wingers pointing to the “purple finger” of the Iraqi vote as proof that “We’re Winning!”, but oh, how they shamefully hide the orange finger of Cheetodom, as they vote for liberal fascism with every bite that they take. I can only hope that Michelle Malkin will take up the cause and bring Frito-Lay and their vegetarian-nazi products to their knees, lest all hope be lost for our proud, Christian nation.
slippy hussein toad said,
June 3, 2008 at 1:41
The thing I like about this is that using the phrase “whore” to describe the Bill Kristols and Jonah Goldbergs of the world is so appropriate. A whore is someone who will, for a fee, do something degrading for the pleasure of whoever has the money. This applies perfectly to wingnut think-tanks.
What I like about this too is that as the nation awakens from the delusions of these think-tank propelled idiots, we are poised to make a statement, as sane and rational citizens, that we shall no longer tolerate these fools masquerading as “experts” on anything.
But the think tank nonsense has fallen far from the trunk of the tree that Buckley planted. Whereas the original movement Conservatives were semi-intellectual, your modern day welfare wingnut whore is an uneducated or “gentleman’s C” boob like Rush Limbaugh or Jonah Goldberg who, under even a casual cross-examination by a disinterested or modestly-informed third party, would fold like a wet paper sack. There’s a really fantastic video out there of Limbaugh, circa 1987-88, before he figured out to NOT appear in front of a randomly-selected audience, being viciously booed off the stage of a talk show (I can’t recall but I think it may have been Donohue) and displaying his utter failure to grasp how to communicate with an audience that didn’t share his worldview.
These people are like puffer fish. They’ve been immersed in their bullshit at an incredible depth for waaaayyy too long. Bring them up to the surface and they’ll fucking explode.
stryx said,
June 3, 2008 at 2:22
“I want two quarts of la Larda tequila, a quart of Dinkelass bourbon, three cases of Green Death beer, a couple cartons of Gaspers, limes, ice and uhhh… They got any take-out Mexican food around here?”
– el Borbah, getting ready for Drinking Sadly
A Puffer-fish said,
June 3, 2008 at 2:37
In fact we are mainly coastal or shallow-water species. Is it not enough to bear an uncanny resemblance to Dinesh D’Souza? Must we also suffer these comparisons with Think-tankards? Unlike them, we do not actually secrete the neurotoxin that makes us poisonous, instead extracting it from bacteria. Also we have a very small and efficient genome.
Magda Carter said,
June 3, 2008 at 3:15
Another lists of nonoes for 08:
27 May at http://norbizness.com/
under the aptest heading
“Stop Saying ________ , Cartman”
I read Rox Pop’s 2004 list and all I could think of was that no-one outside Chicago had heard of Barack Obama at the time.
What could it possibly mean?!?
For refraining from use: !1!1!1 in all its infinite combinations.
And: it’s not “the stupid, it burrrrrrrrrns”.
It’s: “teh st00pid….”
- MC
graphic design said,
June 3, 2008 at 3:31
Thanks for all this input.
fortran trousers said,
June 3, 2008 at 3:33
I walked 47 miles on barb wire, Use a cobra-snake for a necktie.
RIP, Bo Diddley.
web design company said,
June 3, 2008 at 3:36
That’s it. Really nice!
Jennifer said,
June 3, 2008 at 3:37
Actually, this is the best Star Trek fight music video of all time.
Irving the Grouch said,
June 3, 2008 at 3:45
Bitch I live in a fully furnished gold plated trash can!
Sushi apprentice said,
June 3, 2008 at 3:51
Poison Dinesh … poison Dinesh … tasty Dinesh!
Smut Clyde said,
June 3, 2008 at 3:51
There is something apt about Irving Kristol playing a cameo role in Endgame.
gbear said,
June 3, 2008 at 4:40
We should have a self-esteem-building “Everyone Wins an Internets” day.
Would that be like the Special Internets?
(I know that was bad. Please don’t hurt me)
buermann said,
June 3, 2008 at 4:42
He had to find somebody to pay the bills after he got off the precursor welfare program as editor of Encounter. He knew how the dole creates dependency from personal experience, you might say.
Magda Carter said,
June 3, 2008 at 5:38
Hey graph!
No wucking furries mate.
Thank you for putting me back in my box with such a sophisticated brand of humour.
– MC
Irving the Grouch said,
June 3, 2008 at 6:21
Also, I got hedges that look like Proust, Kierkegaard, Einstein, the whole lot.
So there.
shystee said,
June 3, 2008 at 9:27
On the left is there is no real counterpart to institutions like AEI, Heritage Foundation, Hoover, Cato, etc. The reason is that on the Left all the energy, effort and the money go to electoral politics.
“Just vote Democratic and everything will be peachy. We promise. You will get the policy you want because we understand your concerns.” And then complicated things happen which cause the Dems to not deliver on their promises.
The Right understood a long time ago that politicians come and go, but if you can shape the policy debate in the media, then whoever gets elected has to play along. The Left, such as it is, does not get it.
Imagine how many struggling, no health insurance-having, B and C-list bloggers could make a living off 1% of what the candidates have raked in during the campaign. Imagine lefty think tanks that can place their own bobbleheads on any network yak show on any given Sunday.
Remember the Rockridge Institute, the people who brought you the concept of Framing? They are toast.
Building progressive policy infrastructure has to happen at the same time as electoral campaigning. It’s hard to see how a Democratic victory will deliver progressive policy if the Right still controls the public debate.
tofubo said,
June 3, 2008 at 17:10
if i’m not mistooken, john kenneth galbraith spoke @ my high school graduation in ‘86, and given the ‘liberal education’ in civics i received, didn’t know who he was @ the time
Simba B said,
June 3, 2008 at 17:21
The Galbraith family has a significant amount of farmland holdings in western Franklin County, Ohio (central Ohio; Columbus area), which is just a few miles from my childhood home. Their lands are bordered on U.S. Route 40 by white fences of a distinct variety that gives the area some unique character. My father, who also grew up in that area, tells me that there was good money to be had in the summer many years ago painting those miles of fences (they are now vinyl instead of painted wood). Sadly, they’ve been selling their land of late (central Ohio is growing like a weed and cookie cutter ‘burbs are popping up everywhere).
Ah, well. I’ll always have my memories I suppose.
tofubo said,
June 3, 2008 at 17:45
Simba B said,
June 3, 2008 at 17:21
The Galbraith family has a significant amount of farmland holdings in western Franklin County, Ohio (central Ohio; Columbus area)…
guess where i went to school: central ohio, the columbus area, so i wasn’t mistooken
stryx said,
June 3, 2008 at 17:48
Simba I think you’re confusing two different Johns. John W. Galbreath is the one who owns land west of Columbus. He is also a former owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates, during which they won the World Series 3 times.
John K. Galbraith only ever won the Presidential Medal of Honor. Twice.
tofubo said,
June 3, 2008 at 18:33
stryx said,
June 3, 2008 at 17:48
Simba I think you’re confusing two different Johns…
now maybe i was mistooken, it might have been W. and not K., it was 22 years ago and there was alcohol involved….
Mooser said,
June 3, 2008 at 21:16
“Bully pulpit”? Don’t you mean, more accurately “bally platform”? The small stage from which a circus barker exhorts the crowd to buy tickets.
Dollared said,
June 4, 2008 at 1:10
This practice was not invented here. It is part of the inherent advantages of power that you can buy justification (and salvation).
Three centuries ago, it was said that no philosopher was ever punished for writing a treatise on the Divine Right of Kings….
skeptic99 said,
June 4, 2008 at 3:31
Pretty sure the quote is not by JK Galbraith, but his son, James, a big lefty economist at the U of Texas, and well worth reading in his own right.
Interrobang said,
June 4, 2008 at 20:07
Those of you with an interest in PRopaganda should look up Frederick Houk Law, school-textbook anthologist and corporate shill extraordinaire. He pioneered putting a “family values” patina on the corporate agenda.
I’m sad to hear about the Rockridge Institute closing; I’ve been a fan of Lakoff’s since way, way before Lakoff was cool, but I went to grad school in the ’90s… (And no, I don’t do topiary.)