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Stuff I really don’t want to write…
…but I gotta.
Lambert, you’ve officially reached warblogger levels of insanity:
About Obama’s largest crowd EVAH in Portland the other day
75K, right? Well, Kerry pulled 80K-100K in Philly in 2004. Man, that was a great feeling, wasn’t it?
Just sayin.
Well let’s see here. When Kerry was drawing those huge crowds, it was on October 26, 2004. You know, one whole week before the general presidential election occurred. When the entire party was energized behind him and eager to see him defeat Bush.
Obama, meanwhile, is drawing these crowds with the general election months away and with a Democratic voter base that is almost evenly split between himself and Clinton. This is not to say that drawing large crowds guarantees that Obama will be able to defeat McCain in the fall, but it’s foolish to dismiss the crowds entirely by comparing them to the ones that Kerry drew in the last frenzied week of the ‘04 campaign. Here, I’ve put together this little chart to help you understand the concept:
I hope this primary doesn’t go on for too much longer, because it would be really sad to watch Lambert’s condition degenerate to the point where he’s writing 20,000-word essays describing how Barack Obama shot himself just to get out of serving in ‘Nam.
UPDATE: And yeah, I know it’s silly to use random blog comments as an indicator of anything, but this one was too good to pass up:
I have elderly friends who were young adolescents in Germany during WWII. Several weeks ago, they sheepishly offered the observation that, to them, Obama looks and sounds like the American version of Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda.
Wow-wuh-wee-wuh-wow.
When you guys want help coming back through the looking glass, lemme know. I may be a sarcastic, smarmy bastard, but I have a fair amount of compassion as well.
UPDATE II: Oh dear:
75K is a large number. Supposedly it shows the strength of support for Obama or does it?
Obama rented a large enough space for at least 75K. Well, if you don’t get involved and only 4K show up. The place looks really bad. Thus, ahead of time the campaign devises a complicated plan to get the people. You do a small get out the vote (guys) to go to the polls (stadium). You probably rent enough buses the carry the guys back and forth.
Such operations are common in countries such as Iran (demonstrate against the US), Syria (same), Serbia, etc. They are all government run demonstrations.
Obama has the money for the buses and the need to orchestrate a spontaneous gathering.
I also hear that Obama has been taking money from the mole people who live in the Hollow Earth Cities and that upon being elected president he’ll sell us all as slaves to work in their underground caverns.
Kill me please.
abject funk said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:01
Wasn’t the Big Dog at Kerry’s rally as well?
Todd said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:04
As do all other politicians giving stump speeches in front of large crowds.
dcs said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:04
Also, Philly is about three times the size of Portland, OR.
Brad said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:06
Wasn’t the Big Dog at Kerry’s rally as well?
Why yes. Yes he was. This only strengthens Lambert’s apples-are-the-same-as-oranges argument.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:07
I am itching for the return of a real Iris.
atheist said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:09
What the FUCK?!?!
OK, I take all the statements about how Obama and Clinton supporters can be equally crazy back. No, apparently, lots of Clinton supporters really are starting to completely lose it.
The alien spore-race that also plays "Matt McMahon, Jason Ambrose, and the Malfunctioning Glenn Reynolds Robot" said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:10
Iris isn’t coming back. I have replaced her with a well-equipped pod equal.
rapid said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:10
I just don’t understand the corrente bs against obama. At worst Clinton and Obama are equal in calling the other out on potentially insignificant issues, and more likely Clinton was the bigger attack dog throughout this primary. At no point did Obama suggest that either he or McCain would be the better choice over Clinton as Clinton at one point inferred. Yet there’s so much wound licking going on over at the corrente site that it’s getting a little unsanitary to participate in the discussion.
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:13
As a native of North Carolina, I can’t wait to hear about how the mammoth state of Kentucky is about six thousand times more important than my old stomping ground.
Gus said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:15
Fuck these people. They belong on the other side of the looking glass, and I don’t want them back.
FuriousGeorge said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:17
You know, when people have gone completely batshit fucking insane, as these people obviously have, there’s only one thing left to do - DANCE!
Brad said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:18
They belong on the other side of the looking glass, and I don’t want them back.
To be fair: Lambert used to be sane. This primary season has driven a lot of people insane, and I can think of quite a few Obama bloggers who would be pretty damn crazy right now if the situation were reversed.
The guy who called Obama a Nazi, though, is probably too far gone to help. But most Clinton supporters - I’m thinking Krugman, Somerby, most of the crew over at Shakesville - understand what’s up for the most part.
Jay B. said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:22
Yeah, what’s 75K in Oregon? Nuremberg had tons more people at their rallies. Shit, he’s only a piker Nazi in the pantheon of Nazis. That liberal fascist Kerry had more anyways. Me, I like a nice quiet rally for my Democrats. One over tea. With a handful of sleepy seniors. Not one that emphasizes participatory democracy or enthusiasm for my candidate. That’s just gauche.
montysano said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:22
Via Shakesville, now we have a “I will have a Unity Ticket or I’ll take my ball and go home.
Because Obama/Sebelius, Obama/Dodd, Obama/Napolitano, or Obama/Webb would suck so badly.
No more Clintons, no more Bushes. That’s where I’m at.
Gus said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:23
Yeah, I’m talking about the lukasiak’s and the Irises who think Obama should come begging for their vote hat in hand. The fucksticks who will vote for McCain or a third party or who won’t vote because their candidate won’t win, never mind that Obama and Hillary are pretty damn close on the issues. Those people can go eat a bag of dicks. I know the Krugmans and the Somerbys are rational enough to vote in their own best interests, not vote irrationally out of spite.
J— said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:23
Re: Update II
Shit, this foolishness reminds of the silly crap that used to go back and forth between chavistas and anti-chavistas a few years back when they were putting together rival rallies in Caracas. Each side would come up with the craziest, most harebrained explanations for why their rallies were fucking huge and the other side’s were small and only looked big because of smoke and mirrors and free beer. We’ll know Corrente Wire has truly lost it when they start calculating how many Obots could fit in a defined public space through the speculative measurement of street lengths and widths, human body size, and the space between these bodies when they are marching versus standing at a rally.
Jay B. said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:25
Brad –
Somerby is not a Clinton supporter. I think he said he would have voted for Obama or did vote for Obama. He’s definitely been largely complimentary of Edwards, Clinton AND Obama as superior Democratic candidates.
He’s just a foe of idiotic journalism. And Clinton has been victimized from some of the worst journalism in the history of the written word. That’s pretty inescapable.
EJ said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:27
If someone compared me to Goebbels I don’t know which would offend me more - that he was a Nazi who incited Kristallnacht and murdered his own kids, or that he was one seriously ugly-looking dude.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:27
I don’t know if you guys caught the two Hillary supporters on O’Rly.
Talk about bizarre. The Africa American lady looks drugged, or something.
And isn’t it interesting that the only states that these organizations are in are crucial swing states? (see crude ass hand written sign that the Drugged One holds up)
I calling Ratfuck.
Jennifer said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:35
You’re just saying all this because you’re an elitist who wants to deny poor kids their daily ration of ramen noodles.
Lawnguylander said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:39
The nazi thing is nothing new over there. And as stupid as lamebert is you have to give him points for agility. This doofus can turn on a fucking dime. Yesterday he was saying Obama is a bully because surely he was going have himself a coronation today. Today he’s saying Obama is a wimp, not a leader because of stories like this one in NYT describing his campaign’s intention to be careful not to needlessly to piss off Clinton’s supporters.
lamebert may want to take note that the Clinton campaign radically changed its tune last week and began turning its fire on McCain and away from Obama. McCauliffe and Begala were pushing for her as VP and you can bet that they weren’t freelancing. Neither was Carville when he said he’d be writing a check to the Obama campaign eventually. TalkLeft and Taylor Marsh both changed their focus to bashing McCain and pushing Clinton for VP last week too. I’d say it’s down to lambert and friends and this racist cesspool in the competition to be the Hiroo Onoda of this campaign. They’ll be complaining that the MSM is pushing Clinton out when they report on her concession speech.
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:39
Just so I’m clear…
Hillbot: Obama can’t win rural voters! Obama can’t win blue collar voters! Obama’s soft on foreign policy!
Obot: Perhaps. So maybe ushering in Jim Webb, a tough-as-nails vet from Virginia, will help his cause.
Hillbot: OMG SEXISM NOT UNITY!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s where we are now, right?
Anyway, no surprises tonight. Obama has an easy win in Oregon, Clinton with an easier win in Kentucky. Obama earns majority of pledged delegates. Usual Hillary suspects claim victory off of various nebulous tiebreakers, momentum factors, and whatever else. Then they all call Obama supporters delusional, anti-democratic, nazicommiemuslims for noting that Obama will most likely win the Democratic nomination based on the fact that, well, Obama will most likely win the Democratic nomination. Some threaten to support McCain because the DNC won’t give Hillary the nomination, ignoring, of course, what would happen to, say, the black vote should this occur. Those of us who remind these people that a McCain presidency would spell disaster for women’s rights are told that we’re not being sensitive enough to a big group of voters, or whatever.
Hillary will go on TV and boast of huge donations. This claim will later turn out to be untrue. Her inner handlers will claim that this particular speech is one of the greatest ones EVAR. I’ll go to bed annoyed. P_luk will troll Balloon Juice. Iris will continue to be fake.
That about cover it?
Iris said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:40
Shalom, gentlemen.
Notatool said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:41
This can work both ways:
“Obama better be carefull, in the past Hillary has had some of her political enemies killed.”
Wheeee, making up shit is FUN!
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:43
Don’t you understand?
Michigan needs to be counted! For Democracy!
As for all those caucuses…they don’t count, they’re almost like flying cockises.
See?
g said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:46
Such operations are common in countries such as Iran (demonstrate against the US), Syria (same), Serbia, etc. They are all government run demonstrations.
And common at US party-run election events. See: Bush, George W., Town Hall Meeting.
lambert strether said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:48
Hey, aren’t you guys supposed to be nice, now? Or didn’t you get the memo? Or maybe this is nice.
The point of the post, which I have now clarified for those to whom it was not clear, was very, very simple. Je repete:
Big crowds do not necessarily lead to electoral success.
That’s why I remarked on our good feelings after Philly. Those feelings have no relavance at all to the election outcome.
Thanks for the warblogger olive branch, though. We welcome your hatred.
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:48
Additionally, I’d be fine with a unity ticket, but it’s not the end-all. Obama/Webb would be just as sexxaay with a lot of voters as Obama/Clinton, I figure. The people who are now hinting at taking their ball and going home if they don’t get exactly this are just fucking pathetic.
Yes, Clinton’s loss will be relatively close. A lot of losses are close. You. Can’t. Always. Get. What. You Want. But if you try sometimes, you just might find, that an Obama presidency sans Hillary in any executive role would be a shitton better than anything we’ve got going on now, and that Hillary will have a chance once again in four years.
Know what? I wanted Gravel, dammit. Every questionnaire I filled out made him my candidate. I also think the DNC should officially repudiate the War on Drugs. Neither of these will happen…but I’m not sulking like a child because of it.
Brad said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:50
Lambert, dude, I’ve tried to be nice. I haven’t been out there completely trashing Clinton supporters, because I think it would be foolish to deny that the millions of voters who supported her are relevant and important to the success of Democrats in November.
What I’m against is stupid BS. And you just delivered a heapin’ helpin’ of it.
Legalize said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:50
The real question here:
Why didn’t Obama draw 80,000? UNELECTABLE!!!!
rapid said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:51
“He’s just a foe of idiotic journalism. And Clinton has been victimized from some of the worst journalism in the history of the written word. That’s pretty inescapable.”
That’s pretty hyperbolic. Come on, there’s enough to go around.
Cheese on your the cheesesteak?
Bowling scores?
Sweetie?
Did he actually give her the finger?
Is he Muslim?
Is the rumor that he’s Muslim hurting him?
What does he look like dressed up in another country’s traditional outfit?
What’s with Ayers?
What’s with his preacher?
etc.
both sides
Lawnguylander said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:52
The guy who called Obama a Nazi, though, is probably too far gone to help.
lambert has in fact already jumped that particular shark.
gbear said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:52
Wow. Lambert wrote his own bitterness-reduced shorter.
But then continued writing…
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:52
A valid point. So…what? Obama getting a football stadium’s worth of people may be overblown as a good thing, but it’s still…a good thing. And great for the Democratic Party, like it or not.
Batocchio said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:52
Holy crap.
Regarding Somerby, to add to what Jay B said, Somerby’s written he probably slightly favors Clinton, but he’ll vote for the Dem in November regardless, and felt that Clinton, Obama and Edwards were all very impressive. But your point, Brad, that he’s not part of the scorched earth crowd is completely accurate.
Blue Buddha said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:53
Speaking of flying cockises…
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:54
As long as you’re stopping by, Lambert, do you think following Karl Rove’s advice is a good path to Democratic electoral success?
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:56
Big crowds do not necessarily lead to electoral success.
I agree. The Rolling Stones have never won an election.
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:56
By, um, winning primaries?
It takes a special breed of naiveté to believe that Obama and Hillary are worlds separate on health care, or that either of them would be able to install their platform without serious editing that would render them both equal, and both de-fanged.
Also, why isn’t Hillary? Neener neener.
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:57
Also, we only have about 1,800 more posts to equal Irisgate I. So let’s get started.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:58
More of this please. Seriously, we’re like, simpatico on this, Lammy.
Much, much less of this.
rapid said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:59
I think Herr Goldberg is commenting over at corrente now - what was it that I was supposed to apologize for again? hmm. oh yeah that’s it - the NAStiness of the obamaniacs:
“I think I’m brushing up on my German because…
Submitted by basement angel on Thu, 2008-05-15 14:55.
we may need to move there. This is scary as all hell. He’s moving to not only control money around his race, but around every other race as well. Is he going to go after non-profits next? We know he doesn’t like unions.
I know the blogger boyz see themselves as perhaps becoming richer than god as they ride herd over this develpment. Kos in the history books. But these are no uneducated young men. Do they really not realize how wrong this can go?
So Obama’s got a few IQ points on Bush. Smart fascists aren’t any more desirable than dumb ones and that’s what Obama’s lookin’ like to me.”
Blue Buddha said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:01
I’m calling ratfuck as well. When McCain clinched the GOP election, Hillary and Obama both had a decent chances of being the Dem nominee. Then all these neocon pundits (ie: Coulter) came out of the woodwork endorsing Hillary instead of McCain, because they didn’t like McCain. Mind you, these were the same exact pundits who for the past eight years have been writing entire pages of newspaper text and several books whining about Hillary is about to take over the country through the presidency… and now all of a sudden they like her?!
Yeah, definite ratfuck.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:02
No, the beauty of Jonah’s book is that anyone can now be a Pantload.
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:03
Except that I posted it.
rapid said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:04
being a pantload is actually a movement of the dough
Tom Hilton said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:05
As I’ve said elsewhere, anyone playing the Corrente Godwin Violation Drinking Game runs the risk of severe liver damage. And for the love of god, don’t drive!
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:07
You are a pain in the Nation, aren’t you, D.N.
There are still people who think Iris was real.
You’re good, but a little perplexing.
mantis said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:12
The level of stupidity among the more intractable Clinton supporters just keeps going up. Here’s a a bit of fortune-telling over at HuffPo:
Flash forward to Election Day 08. Can you imagine the backpedaling going on when it comes to explaining how Barack Obama — the Democratic nominee by math not by sensibility — loses key states?
Votes, delegates, states, all “math” that means nothing compared to the paramount importance of the sensibility calculus!
Taylor Marsh and others are promoting this bullshit, naturally.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:13
I’m still kinda baffled at:
Big crowds do not necessarily lead to electoral success.
I guess the thing that impresses me most about this is “so what?” Neither does whiskey-drinking or bowling or the ability to juggle or ratio of hairs-up-nose to hairs-on-head. It is, however, a nice thing when you get a bunch of people at your rally and a not-nice thing when you don’t.
See the Lileks thread for crannky dumbassery.
Duros Hussein 62 said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:13
to them, Obama looks and sounds like the American version of Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda.
Wow, I learn new things at this site all the time.
I was not aware that Josef Goebbles was half black.
PeeJ said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:14
Obama looks and sounds like the American version of Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda.
No he does not look like that. I know what NAZI’s look like - they look like they’re dressed for a gay wedding (reception featuring forced gay abortions to follow at the Unitarian Hall). Where’s his fabulous iron cross and black leather storm trooper uniform?
Those stoopid fucks don’t know nuttin.
FuriousGeorge said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:15
The comment section is sort of a goldmine of crazy.
And the headliner in Philly in 2004??
Bill Clinton.
So….Obama’s 75K is unimpressive because Kerry got 80K in 2004….which was entirely dependent on the fact that Bill was there headlining….and ZOMG BILL CLINTON BRINGS ALL LOGIC CIRCLES TOGETHER, HE IS THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!!!
Jonah Goldberg said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:17
Hi!
I found the Goebbels comparison comments to be very apt and correct. And I would know, as I’ve done a lot of research on this.
Bye!
montysano said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:18
Blue Buddha’s on the trail:
Exactly. Even stranger was Obama’s pandering, in the Wright brouhaha, to people who would never, ever vote for him
I think Hillary’s supporters have misplaced their anger. The woman on O’Reilly accused the DNC of running a “sexist campaign”. But wasn’t Hill the DNC anointed one until the MUP could no longer be denied? Or have we always been at war with Eastasia?
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:18
Obama’s 75K is unimpressive because Kerry got 80K in 2004…which was entirely dependent on the fact that Bill was there headlining…
Clearly Obama is 5000 less good than Bill Clinton.
Itchy Brother said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:20
7/1/2005 population estimates:
Philadelphia, Pa.: 1,463,281
Portland, Ore.: 533,427
Just sayin’
Hebephrenic Hillary Bot said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:21
The nomination was stolen from Hillary. By…ummm, the voters! Yeah, that’s it!
g said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:22
So are the folks over at corrente or Taylor Marsh going to stay home when Hill and Bill campaign for Obama?
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:23
She was. Once.
Alex said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:24
Shit, which is it? Is Obama ruthlessly consolidating power so he can be the American Hitler and will rule America with an iron fist through Gleischaltung, or is he the puny weakling who cannot win against a doddering Republican candidate who has the albatross of Bush and Iraq wrapped tightly around his neck?
If you’re going to say totally crazy shit, at least stick to one narrative.
pedestrian said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:24
Clearly Obama is 5000 less good than Bill Clinton.
Meaning that Hillary should get 5,000 extra delegates for the WINZ! !
That is, unless you are telling her to sit down and shut up just because she’s a woman.
Gary Ruppert said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:25
There are still people who think Iris was real.
The fact is, I’m also sometimes real.
comsympinko said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:27
To The Hillary Clinton Supporter:
I know how much this loss must grieve you
But here’s a thought I’d like to leave you
Although you’re sad, remember that
This thing was over months ago and yet you ratchet up the fratricide by evoking Hitler and government-run demonstrations while maintaining the delusion that when a few perceived procedural “errors” are cleared up, that when irrelevant uncontested election results are added to the voting tally and that when the planets align in the House of Zoroaster signaling the Coming Of The Rough Beast Hillary will win this thing–at.
FuriousGeorge said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:28
That is, unless you are telling her to sit down and shut up just because she’s a woman.
No, it’s because she looks like a Nazi woman. Like…I don’t know, Leni Riefenstal, how the fuck am I supposed to know which one? (Godwin’s Law - activate!)
Rihilism said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:29
Let me begin by saying I thoroughly enjoy my daily visits to SN and the chuckles and guffaws you produce deep in my belly. But weeks back I recall a post on SN in which it was suggested (and still is here in the comment section) that there was an equivalence between the lunacy of the Obama and Hillary supporters. I do not believe this to be true. The key difference, I believe, is the extent to which the lunacy of the Hillary supporters is being driven by the “owners” of sites such as Taylor Marsh and Corrente, feeding the more delusional impulses of their readers.
I don’t read DKos (yawn), but I’ve been made aware (by Taylor Marsh, not suprisingly) of the stridency at least some of the bloggers posting there are adopting in their support of Obama. However, Marsh, especially, has been whipping her readers into a frenzy for months now so it’s little wonder that Hillary supporters who read Marsh who find it impossible to support Obama. Day after day after day of Reverend Wright and “how racist our country is” (true to an extent, but not the free fall of racial savagery being suggested) and how Obama can’t get white folks to vote for him, then back to Wright, then to Ayers, then to Rezko, back to Wright, and then to “white folks don’t like Obama and you don’t have to be racist to realize that whites aren’t gonna ever vote for Obama” (which kinda suggests that it’s ok if you are racist because it’s not like you’re gonna try to do anything to convince the racists that they are being, well, racist), blah, blah, blah, blah, ad infinitum. Dear God, you’d think we lived with the Sneetches and Obama and his supporters had no stars upon thars… Dr. Seuss, save us from this nightmare!
“This primary season has driven a lot of people insane, and I can think of quite a few Obama bloggers who would be pretty damn crazy right now if the situation were reversed.”
I disagree. I think they’d be thoroughly upset and disappointed, but no one has been telling them for months that they are going to win in the end despite all the evidence to the contrary. When someone tells you that you’re going to win and that the other candidate is actively disenfranchising the Florida and Michigan voters or that the “fix is in” with the superdelegates via the Democratic elites as represented by Pelosi, et. al., in order to make you lose (again, despite all evidence to the contrary), then you’re likely to move beyond mere disappointment into the frothing-mouth gaze of the sanity impaired. Shame on those who inculcate and prepetuate this garbage (including the campaigns (Wolfson, I’m looking at you) and bloggers).
And shame on others who have suggested that the dewy-eyed idealism of of youth is evidence of naive and cultish behavior. The young are the very last group the Democrats can afford to lose and I’d much rather have a few old farts vote for McCain than have young people be jaded before their jadening is due.
Whew, two “shames” in one day. I gotta watch it or I’m gonna pull something…
“Yeah, I’m talking about the lukasiak’s and the Irises who think Obama should come begging for their vote hat in hand.”
I’ve encountered this phenomena frequently. I’ll try to persuade anyone who might consider voting for Obama, but I’m not going to prostrate myself on the floor in abject shame and submission in order to convince one person to open their minds. It’s not reasonable for me to ask another person to do that for me, why on earth would I do it for them. I try to stay calm and congenial, but I’m not going to apologize for every misstep, every real or imagined slight, every policy difference (even when I support the other candidate’s position), every poor clothing choice made by the candidate I support. When, oh when did this rule come into play? I don’t recall the Edwards supporters doing this. Regardless, when it becomes clear that the person I’m trying to convince wants me down on the floor licking their boots, I say,”Okay, I tried. It’s all right, vote for McCain, but I think you’ll be disappointed.” (unless, of course, I wish to be on the floor, licking their boots, then the conversation goes a little different…).
not even an mba said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:31
Hey I got to this hours ago on the Zombie Thread That Would Not Die.
To be fair, Portland is a massively huge city almost half the size of Philadelphia.
Specialist G said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:33
Gotta say, I’m looking forward to watching the Zellary wing of the blogosphere bleed out slowly during the inevitable migration of super delegates. I can see the equally inevitable list of demands coming…
1) Obama must wash Hillary’s pick-up truck so that she can get her deposit back from the prop company.
2) All Obots MUST sign the petition to get Cagney And Lacey back on the air.
3) A shrubbery. Something nice but not too expensive…
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:34
Itchy Brother said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:20 (kill)
7/1/2005 population estimates:
Does this take into account the massive black community of Portland which is completely in the tank for Obama because they are racist against hard-working white folks?
F*ck You!!! Again!!! | SOHH Over It! said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:36
[...] They just won’t stop. [...]
Southern Beale said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:37
Obama’s ability to draw large crowds will be turned into a negative in 5-4-3-2….
Duh, people. Like we didn’t see this one coming when the press turned on Howard Dean? Anytime a Democratic candidate appeals to large numbers of people, especially young people, this must be turned into a negative because the prevailing media wisdom hold that large numbers of young liberals are:
1) angry
2) dirty fucking hippies with no jobs
3) teh gai
4) tree-hugging peacenick appeasers..
….in other words, not the “real people” that Chris Matthews refers to when he’s talking about those “salt of th earth” types from the Midwest who may or may not be showing up at John McCain campaign events (we don’t know because the media never tells us).
Oh and someone remind me, where exactly is Illinois on the mao? Isn’t that somewhere kinda sorta in the middle-ish of the country?
Eh, never mind.
Southern Beale said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:38
MAP not mao. Sorry.
Anyway, ever notice how the size of the crowd at a McCain event is never mentioned? I always wondered why that is. Guess it doesn’t matter when you’re talking about a Republican.
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:39
Ahh, nice of SOHHHHHOVERITTT!!!!!!! to check in. In short:
Sadly, No!: Some reasonable political commentary
SOI: Oh yeah? SCREW YOU, DOOD!
Travis said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:39
Has Taylor Marsh gotten another radio show yet? [important]
Quaker Oates said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:39
They will never give up. By November, Obama will be compared to Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, Himmler, Speer, Rosenberg, Ribbentrop, Hess, Streicher, Dr. Mengele, Heydrich, Adolf Eichmann, Bormann, Eva Braun, and Hitler’s dog Blondi. Count on it.
not even an mba said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:40
Nuts, in my rush to claim first sighting of the most recent Lambert-psychosis I missed itchy brother’s population summary.
PeeJ said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:41
Go back to skool, noteven. Portland proper is about 1/3 Philly’s size. More importantly, I believe Philly is the 6th largest MSA in the whole frigging country. … Yep, roughly 6 Million people. Portland is #23 with about 2.25 million. And they include Salem in that - no one ever comes to Portland from Salem!
Johnny Coelacanth said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:43
At Shakesville, one commenter was going on about how he didn’t buy that Obama was getting all his money from an unprecedented grassroots organization, but instead must be a Trojan Horse for Wall Street, because they want a candidate who opposes universal health care.
Sigh. I really, really don’t like being reminded that there are stupid people in my party.
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:44
PeeJ- Here in the 9th largest MSA (Atlanta), there’s Obama shit for sell by street vendors eeeeeverywhere. Elitist street vendors, I’m sure.
not even an mba said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:45
PeeJ,
If I haven’t denounced and rejected my previous statements about the populations of verious Metropolitain areas enough, let me make this clear. The not even an mba who thought it was germane to muse about the population of Portland is not the not even an mba I didn’t get an mba with. not even an mba’s short-sighted view of the massiveness of Philadelphia, a city so large that Tom Hanks won an Oscar portraying it, without the help of a volleyball, is the opposite of everything that I, not even an mba, stand for.
Legalize said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:47
Everyone knows that numbers at GOP events are irrelevant because Republicans have jobs and families and little time to even such silly events. On the other hand, of course Obama can draw 75,000 in Portland. HIppies, commies, anarchists, slackers, commies, gays, and commies don’t have jobs, and can therefore attend rallies whenever they like (even on work days!!).
billy pilgrim said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:50
Righteous Bubba stole my Rolling Stones comment. I’m calling shenanigans, contacting New York Law Firm, and demanding my fair share of flying cockises…
gbear said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:51
Anyway, ever notice how the size of the crowd at a McCain event is never mentioned? I always wondered why that is.
All the McCain supporters are at home gathered around the Philco.
pedestrian said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:52
& it’s fact, not spin–the caucus states like ID
and others had larger rallies and stadium attendance than they had actual caucus attendees. It’s the celebrity, looky-lou thing—many people go to see and hear him but it doesn’t correlate to state wins.
Obama draws 14,000 at Idaho rally
Ugly In Pink said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:53
I had to stop reading Americablog because literally every post for days at a time was nonstop Hillary-hate, and it crossed the line into creepy and offputting. On the other hand, Hillary supporters (such as in this post) seem to also be batshit foaming-mouth loonies.
I don’t particularly mind either candidate and would be happy to vote for either. WTF is wrong with Democrats this year?
PeeJ said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:53
And now, for something completely different…
There’s been a leetle bit of further activity in the moonbats in PDX thread.
I’m thinking Ringlers would be an excellent choice. It’s got portland character, good downtown location, just across the street (almost) from Powell’s Books, two blocks from the streetcar (and in fareless square to boot!). I haven’t been there (though I walk by at least once a week and I have been to the Crystal Ballroom) so I don’t know where it rates on the McMenamin’s quality scale.
Whatcha tink?
D.N. Nation said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:55
Latest Gallup numbers (via TPM):
B-b-b-b-b-but Obama hasn’t reached out to Hillary supporters!
J— said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:56
Shit, which is it? Is Obama ruthlessly consolidating power so he can be the American Hitler and will rule America with an iron fist through Gleischaltung, or is he the puny weakling who cannot win against a doddering Republican candidate who has the albatross of Bush and Iraq wrapped tightly around his neck?
That’s the beauty of the Paranoid Style. It allows for, or better, calls for both at the same time.
PeeJ said,
May 20, 2008 at 20:59
Oh looky!
Rihilism said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:01
“Has Taylor Marsh gotten another radio show yet? [important]“
I wasn’t aware she actually had one. Must have been on some other site that I ran across that if she wasn’t an actual fraud, then she’d done some SERIOUS resume padding (her “authorship” consists of one book about a brothel, I believe). I think I found that site via Instaputz.
If this is true, why do sites (including SN) link to her? I mean, I think it’s prefectly fine to be an amateur librul/progreasive writer/blogger. But something about making up a radio program and a fake “career” to give your siteand “persona” a sense of professionalism sounds, oh, I don’t know,…, Republican.
FMguru said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:01
I just can’t get over the contempt shown by Clintonites (and concern-trolling wingers) over Obama’s record crowds. Yeah, the last the Democrats want to do is nominate a guy who can draw big crowds and get people excited. What are we thinking? Hey, there’s still time to bring Michael Dukakis out of retirement, isn’t there? To save us all from this plague of popular enthusiasm?
Sagra said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:02
Perhaps we should tempt Iris back with offers of chocolates or liquor — or her drug of choice.
Jay B. said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:02
rapid said,
May 20, 2008 at 19:51
“He’s just a foe of idiotic journalism. And Clinton has been victimized from some of the worst journalism in the history of the written word. That’s pretty inescapable.”
That’s pretty hyperbolic. — then you go on to list stupid journmalism practiced against Obama.
A. I know that Obama’s gotten some bad press. I never said he didn’t. And it’s breathtakingly stupid.
B. I am an Obama supporter.
C. I think the quality of political journalism in this country is catastrophic.
D. Clinton has gotten awful press for almost 20 years.
A, B, C, AND D can all be true.
Maybe you weren’t alive during the 90’s, but I can assure you that if you look up the breathless mainstream reports on such pressing topics as: Rose Law Firm, Travelgate, Watergate, Susan McDougal, Vince Foster (this one alone would win the Worst Journalism in History awards) , or, more recently, Chris Matthews, David Schusters’ accusation of “pimping out” Chelsea, Clinton as a shrill evil bitch (See, Richard Cohen’s masterwork today in the Post), Clinton as a dyke (her assistant seems to spend a lot of time with the woman she works for!), etc.
The war waged against Hillary by the most mainstream of the media for almost 20 years doesn’t even take into account the Rush/Falwell/Hannity idiocy.
Again, I don’t support Clinton. I think her war vote was a terrible one. I worked on Capitol Hill when she submitted her Doorstop Health Care Reform Plan and it was worse than anything. Still, I think she’s been a good Senator for New York (and was very impressed with her constituent work when I lived there) and her campaign has also been pretty idiotic.
That still doesn’t excuse stupidity. The reality-based community has to face reality. Something Lambert and so many others are having extreme difficulty with.
Jay B. said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:03
“Watergate” should read “Whitewater”, but y’all knew that.
not even an mba said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:05
Uh-oh! Time to be on our best behaviour . Wouldn’t want word getting round that this place is fully of foul-mouthed snark worshippers.
Travis said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:08
Rihilism said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:01
[snip]
I wasn’t aware she actually had one. Must have been on some other site that I ran across that if she wasn’t an actual fraud, then she’d done some SERIOUS resume padding (her “authorship” consists of one book about a brothel, I believe). I think I found that site via Instaputz.
She had a radio show in Vegas (briefly) and I think a thing on Air America. She got canned from both and posts a lot about how important she feels it is that she gets put back on the air. Because she deserves it, I guess?
Oddly enough, for such an important person, she doesn’t have a wikipedia page. So very tempting.
pedestrian said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:10
From Taylor Marsh’s bio:
Translation: She has been a frequent caller on every station nationwide that hasn’t figured out who she is yet. “Get Taylor back on the air” = make the switchboards stop screening her.
Duros Hussein 62 said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:10
Clearly Obama is 5000 less good than Bill Clinton.
OVER 5000!!!!
Travis said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:10
also, lol at this
However, your comparison of Lambert to warbloggers (because he made an unfair comparison) is entirely fucked up wrong.
Warbloggers: advocating for the slaughter of innocent people.
Lambert: advocating for a Democratic nominee for President.
[insert picture of apple and orange here]
Y hallo thar
Rihilism said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:11
“I had to stop reading Americablog because literally every post for days at a time was nonstop Hillary-hate, and it crossed the line into creepy and offputting.”
Yes it has. Too bad. I think what’s-their-faces have had personal dealings with the Clintons that may have led them off this deep end. Not excusable, mid you, and does at least partially refute what I said earlier, but I don’t think the “loonies” have been happening as long as on Taylor Marsh (I stopped reading AmericaBlog regularly about 2-3 weeks ago when this phenomena became more prevalent. I believe that’s when I heard about how they were just a bit “afraid” of the Clintons because of actually working with the Clintons. Again, I’m not claiming this was a rational response of their part.).
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:14
WTF is wrong with Democrats this year?
Having a ridiculous government prone to lying about and politicizing every fucking thing under the sun rubs off.
Jennifer said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:15
What I want to know is: why does anyone even know who Taylor Marsh is? I’ve never thought of her as anything but an extremely overrated blowhard.
FMguru said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:15
She had a radio show in Vegas (briefly)
I recall her radio show was one of those deals where you pay out of pocket for a block of time, and then try to make it up by selling advertisements. My local sports-talk station plays the weirdest shows at 4 in the morning on weekends (Mortgage Talk, Nutrition Supplements and Colonic Health, etc.) and I imagine it’s the same arrangement.
She’s a Famous Radio Talk Show Host in the same way that I’d be a Big Time TV News Personality by buying a half-hour block of informercial time on UHF channel 58 at 3am on Sunday morning.
Grand Moff Texan said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:17
Democracy scares the shit out of the Hillary people. After all, it’s what’s beating their ass, day after day.
They probably have nightmares about people voting.
.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:18
Lambert is quite a piece of work. I love the way they hide behind registration and try to rebut our fairly mundane, sane points behind the wall.
Go ahead, Lambert. fight us over there so you don’t have to fight us over here!
Travis said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:18
FMguru said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:15
I recall her radio show was one of those deals where you pay out of pocket for a block of time
Oh wow, just like the GREASEMAN.
rapid said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:19
Jay B,
agreed, but she’s just been in it longer. Let’s face it, she came into prominence and the public eye right around the time that I think the political discourse in the country changed to a lot more vitriol and nonsense in the early 90s. She also has attracted the weirdest following of enemies that I’ve never understood - I can’t figure out what the animus is about. Give Obama twenty years and unless things change watch what he’ll have to put with. I also think she’s been a generally good senator for my state - maybe a little absent lately.
Fast Eddie said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:20
After Lambert and co. help elect John McCain in the fall, and in four years they come asking me and people like me to help avert another disastrous four year McCain sequel, would it be petty of me to slam the metaphorical door in their metaphorical faces? Because I have to say, as much as I don’t want to see a President McCain and as much as I believe in liberalism as a guiding philosophy, it gets to the point where I do not want to be in the same foxhole as these people anymore. If they’re going to enable a McCain presidency, then they’re not my ideological allies and I don’t know how they ever could be again.
Grand Moff Texan said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:21
Talk about “size” makes them uncomfortable.
.
Dale said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:22
Um, no. I was there and this is wrong on every possible count, not just the retarded invocations of Syria, Iran, and Serbia. The gathering place for the Portland Obama rally was not big enough for all 75K of us — right around 15K had to watch from outside, and many of us gave up and went home (speaking). Also, there were no buses — just long, long, snaking lines for blocks and blocks, loosely organized.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:22
it gets to the point where I do not want to be in the same foxhole as these people anymore.
You will once again be in a voting booth all by your lonesome. Don’t worry about it.
k said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:25
This backpedaling is such sour grapes that it makes one pucker to read it. Drawing big adoring crowds is a good sign… whether one ultimately wins the election or not. The inverse is also true, where (not)drawing big adoring crowds is (not) a good sign.
And you can’t defeat those facts by pointing out big crowds, as a condition, is insufficient alone as an indicator. They’re still very, very necessary.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:26
Also, there were no buses
I wasn’t there so no contradiction implied, but for a campaign not to try to get people to its own rally would be stupid. If there were buses, well, I’ve been on buses to rallies so good for me and good for the campaigns for chartering them.
Sagra said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:26
If Obama was in Clinton’s shoes, we’d just say “Sheeeeit. We know the Man ain’t never gonna let a black man be president!” Then I for one would fire up the barbeque and cook some ribs.
Rihilism said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:27
Because apparently blogs such as S/N (and even Americablog, WTF???!!!) have links to Taylor Marsh. I don’t know why they do. Perhaps someone at S/N can tell us. I always assumed it was because the blogroll never gets updated (I find dead link all the time in blogrolls.).
not even an mba said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:32
T4t,
Most of and co. are actually fighting for us over there. But when they do, they start feeding on their own, see Xan’s “triumphant return”.
If any corrente readers are still here, I have something to say, and not just because Lambert’s threatening to use comments in a counter.
I understand that you feel cheated. Hillary had this thing sewn up, and then the media with then intense hatred of all thing Clinton stole it from her. There’s lots of folks here who would laugh at that narrative, but it really isn’t too far from the truth. The media has been harsher on Clinton than anyone else running, and in some spectacularly stupid ways. But, and please try to understand this, Obama didn’t do this to her. It’s the stupid jackasses at NBC and CNN and whatever else that you should be mad at. Don’t take your disappointment and shape it into Obama-hate, use it for a more noble purpose, like making sure McCain doesn’t get any closer to the White House than he already is.
Travis said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:34
To paraphrase a great American,
Hillary Clinton screwed Hillary Clinton.
Josh E. said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:37
When it comes to unearned self-regard, “Lambert Strether” makes Jonah Goldberg look like a piker.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:38
But, and please try to understand this, Obama didn’t do this to her.
The counter to this is “yes he did.”
Because apparently blogs such as S/N (and even Americablog, WTF???!!!) have links to Taylor Marsh. I don’t know why they do.
I recall reading some useful posts over there prior to recent hi-jinks although I’m not big on the self-promotion angle others have pointed out.
The de-linking game is also pretty annoying as anyone who knows about big fucking sandwiches can tell you.
Dale said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:39
Righteous Bubba — I didn’t see a single charter bus delivering anyone to the rally’s location. Then again, I never got very close to the center of the action. The location was at the city center where all the mass transit comes together, and was chosen for that reason. (I strongly suspect the organizers didn’t plan on ~75K people). There might have been charter buses somewhere in the mix, but if so, they didn’t carry very much of the net biomass in attendance that day.
PeeJ said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:39
RB - the campaign didn’t need to bother. They knew from their e-mail RSVP count they wouldn’t need to. They knew from prior experience - when he spoke at the coliseum the tickets (free) were gone in about three nanoseconds. PDX has excellent public transportation.
That said, even the campaign was surprised by the size of the turnout. I didn’t go, figuring it would be a zoo. I went for a motorcycle ride.
PS to Dale - you coming to the SN! bachelor party and flying penis convention?
Lawnguylander said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:40
Trying this for the third time. Maybe with 75% less linky goodness motherfucking wordpress will let it through.
The nazi thing is nothing new over there. And as stupid as lambert is you have to give him points for agility. This doofus can turn on a fucking dime. Yesterday he was saying Obama is a bully because surely he was going to coronate himself in his victory speech tonight. Today he read a NYT blog post saying Obama is going to be careful not to needlessly to piss off Clinton’s supporters tonight so now he’s a tiptoeing wimp. Not bold enough to lead.
lambert may want to take note that the Clinton campaign radically changed its tune last week and began turning its fire on McCain and away from Obama. McCauliffe and Begala were pushing for her as VP and you can bet that they weren’t freelancing. Neither was Carville when he said he’d be writing a check to the Obama campaign eventually. TalkLeft and Taylor Marsh both changed their focus to bashing McCain and pushing Clinton for VP last week too. I’d say it’s down to lambert and friends and this racist cesspool in the competition to be the Hiroo Onoda of this campaign. They’ll be complaining that the MSM is pushing Clinton out when they report on her concession speech.
Rihilism said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:40
“Uh-oh! Time to be on our best behaviour . Wouldn’t want word getting round that this place is fully of foul-mouthed snark worshippers.”
Well good. Been enough of the ole’ echo chamber this year. It’s important for other people to know what I think of them.
“… again, I seem to have hit a nerve of some kind.”
No, thanks, I’m flattered but I’m just not into you…
Jason said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:41
It gets woise and woise.
Lambert:
“Apparently, Obama’s made-for-TV self-coronation spectacular is on. He’ll be flying back to Iowa, first victory, means a lot, hunky bused-in Abercrombie & Fitch guys, yadda yadda yadda, to surround himself with appropriate trappings of splendor and triumphalism for a metric, ‘majority of the pledged delegates [as of May 20],’ that is totally without meaning according to The Rulez.”
Ah. I guess we’re all about the rules now.
Dale said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:42
Flying penises!? Sounds wreckless. Maybe. Probably?
cyetain said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:43
“Sixty-thousand people packed into a park alongside the banks of the Willamette River to listen to Obama, with another 15,000 left standing outside the gates, according to city fire officials. Hundreds more anchored their motorboats, or floated in kayaks and canoes.”
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_051808_politics_obama_oregon.60db48e.html
NOTE: 15,000 OUTSIDE the gates…. so by UPDATE II’s own measure (the planning of the Obama campaign) the crowd was still surprisingly large (15k greater than planned) and therefore quite news worthy…
Susan of Texas said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:44
We have two wars going and we”re probably going to have a third and fourth one, the economy is in/near recession, the housing mess is nowhere near over, banks are being kept afloat by the skin of the Fed’s teeth, oil is over $129 and going up about a dollar a day, the stock market is ignoring fundamentals and see-sawing, and the dollar is dropping like crazy. We have a partisan, disfunctional government.
We need to stop advocating for Obama and Clinton and start advocating for us. They’re rich. We’re screwed. I don’t like hearing Obama joust with McCain over who can threaten Iran better.
Legalize said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:44
Ah rules, like not campaigning in Michigan or Florida!!
PeeJ said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:44
Well if there’s going to be cameras on hunky A&F guys I’ll be watching. I loves me some eye candy.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:46
If I drink enough, I just may become a flying dick!
Dale-
Here.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:46
Dammit!
HERE!
Sagra said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:49
And drawing tiny crowds of old people who won’t even clap for you is a sign that you’re Fred Thompson.
Brent Bozell said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:49
There are still people who think Iris was real.
Goddamnit, I believe in Bruce.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:49
RB - the campaign didn’t need to bother.
OMG WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE FROM SALEM?!?!?!?
pedestrian said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:52
He’ll be flying back to Iowa, first victory, means a lot, hunky bused-in Abercrombie & Fitch guys
*quizzical face*
So… I’m sorry….give me a minute…
Hunh?
Because Obama keeps an entourage of muscular white guys? How did I miss this? Or is it an Iowa cornfed thing? But then why are they bused in?
not even an mba said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:52
“yes he did” - I honestly believe that some of the Hillary folks aren’t saying that. I guess, it’s my own olive branch offering - to any Hillary supporters that are still reading this thread and still willing to talk things through. I guess I’ve taken all the olives off of the branch for martinis.
Ugly In Pink said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:53
I dunno, I feel bad about all the Hillary misogyny crap in the media (and it is horrid), but I see no real reasons to greatly prefer her over Obama, and a huge turnout of non white people who don’t normally vote is, as far as I can see, the only way we’ll defeat the 5-7% cheat vote caging and such is going to give the GOP.
And I agree with Susan. I can’t stand how warmongering is somehow required of all candidates. It’s those times I start to despair.
Lawnguylander said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:53
There’s something Althousian about that “I seem to have hit a nerve of some kind” response. Pretty soon we’ll be said to have entered his vortex. I’ll take p_lukky’s rich correntean lather over lambert’s faux bemusement park ride any day.
PeeJ said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:53
‘Ho and I were watching teevee last night while working on dinner. The News Hour is about the only mainstream news we watch so it must have been on that show that some punidt said “If there’s a foreign policy crisis between now and November, that would cause people to question whether Obama has the experience and ….” I don’t recall exactly but you get the idea.
‘Ho and I simultaneously asked each other “Did we just hear advance notice of the October surprise?”
Really. THAT has me worried. Don’t doubt for a moment that the Shrub and the Dick would start a war for domestic political purpose.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:54
But then why are they bused in?
Strictly for bussing.
PeeJ said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:57
A&F guys for bussing? I shall swoon! Kin I buss them too?? Can I Can I huh?
Doc Washboard said,
May 20, 2008 at 21:58
I could happily live the balance of my life and never see somebody write, “Just sayin’” ever again.
free patriot said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:01
population of Philly, 1,448,394
population of Portland , 592,121
think the difference in population is related to the size of the crowd ???
repuglitards are SOOOO stupid
OneMadClown said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:01
…And I’d say “unfairness” is a pretty slippery concept, especially with a headline “… EVAH…” that’s clearly snarky.
…Frankly, I don’t have time to go around attacking S!N, what with our famously free press and the A list to deal with.
So, implicitly, Sadly, No! is a B-lister or worse, and Lambert is very, very busy, possibly being frank. Frank as in earnest, not as in being a guy named Frank (and peripherally, earnest as in forthright, not as in a guy named Ernest), which is central to my point. But I digest.
So Sadly, No! is B-list or lower. I’ll choose to call it a C-lister, as I’m partial to lowered expectations and comfortable mediocrity. Hey, Sitemeter, how’s it hangin’?
Sadly, No! Average Visits per Day: 16,229
CorrenteWire Average Visits per Day: 6,112
So what am I saying here? That judging by this convenient comparative analysis of arguably meaningless data, CorrenteWire would have to be considered a F-minus-list blog at best?
No, of course not. I’m just being snarky.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:03
We agree on that, PeeJ. My biggest
paranoid delusionfear is a false flag terrorist attack just prior to the election, suspending the Constitution and nixing the elections.It is the only way the entire Republican brand will be able to hold on to power.
I just can’t shake the feeling that they didn’t build the Unitary Executive up to where it is to hand it to the opposition. </tinfoil>
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:04
did you guys know that HTML interprets a R in parenthesis as a Registered symbol?
(r)
Just sayin’.
not even an mba said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:05
Thanks free patriot! I fell a lot better about my mistake earlier on, but please do go back and read my denunciation. I worked awful hard on it, I mean it’s poll tested and focused grouped so it should have some pretty good appeal.
US House said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:05
Um… Quincy Adams won! Please make the scary populist go away.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:05
Dammit! Let down by the Comment Love.
Which makes my joke pointed at the good Dr. not as funny.
Shorter t4toby:
FAIL!
US House said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:06
Wrong thread :P doodley doo…
Ugly In Pink said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:08
I think they’ll give the corrupt justice department and elections boards a chance to do their thing before staging a terrorist attack. If McCain loses, though, all bets are off. And either way i’m sure we’re going to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran this summer.
FuriousGeorge said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:08
If this was the Rudy Giuliani Administration (and I apologize for even suggesting, in some crazy fantasy world, that that could ever happen) I would be right there with you with the tinfoil hat. Because that man is a terrifying fascist and he’d stop at nothing to hang on to power. But Bush is lazy, and there’s no way he wants to be Preznit anymore. It’s a job that requires all sorts of readin’ and talkin’ smart and stuff, and he just wanted the free house and kickass chef service.
J— said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:11
There’s something Althousian about that “I seem to have hit a nerve of some kind” response.
I’m reminded of J. Goldberg’s triumphant “I must be over the target ’cause look at all this flak.”
mikey said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:12
Oh jeezus christ’s tits in a mason jar.
Fer cryin out loud, there were 75 thousand people there because we’re DESPERATE!! What part of this are you struggling with. The economy is broken, the wars and hatred and hunger and disease are spreading, there is no path to a sustainable future, we’re all angry and scared and frustrated and along comes a young, charismatic man who fucking well TALKS to us, tells us the truth, honestly recognizes that we’re in a bad pickle, but he’s the ONLY motherfucker on the national political scene that isn’t willing to just drive the car off the cliff!
Now, sure, is he willing to say things that are politically expedient? Of course. At this point, I’m willing to forgive him that because if he DOESN’T get elected that means one of the others will and, in a scene you’ll recall from “Thelma and Louise”, the entire U S of A will sail off the cliff taking your lifestyle, your family, your hopes and dreams and aspirations with it.
So, as we used to say as kids.
Duh…
mikey
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:12
Sadly, No! Average Visits per Day: 16,229
CorrenteWire Average Visits per Day: 6,112
Sadly, No! buses in hits from illegal aliens working at a chicken-rendering plant.
OneMadClown said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:13
I’m reminded of J. Goldberg’s triumphant “I must be over the target ’cause look at all this flak.”
Jonah’s prefers sugar-frosted corn flak. In lieu of Krispy Kreme, naturally.
OneMadClown said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:14
RB — you are a god to me.
not even an mba said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:16
Sadly, No! has special black-ops chicken-rendering plants throughout the world to provide extraordinary rendition.
Nimrod Gently said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:18
OT, but I will feel betrayed if Sadly doesn’t tear the right wing a new one for what they’re doubtlessly saying about Ted Kennedy’s brain tumour.
J— said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:19
Sadly, No! Average Visits per Day: 16,229
CorrenteWire Average Visits per Day: 6,112
Ten percent of Sadly, No!’s hits come from Saul’s multiple personae. And remember, all of Gary Ruppert’s visits are done under threat of deportation. It’s in the contract.
Ugly In Pink said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:20
According to Pandagon, a freeper thread was actually shut down because the comments were so vile.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:21
I believe the Extraordinary Rendition plant is the one with the Mutant KFC chickens.
Because rendering a footless, beakless triple-breasted bird is very extraordinary.
The Saul Borg said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:23
WE ARE THE SAUL. RESISTANCE IS SHALOM, GENTLEMEN.
pedestrian said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:31
Because rendering a footless, beakless triple-breasted bird is very extraordinary.
That’s nothing. McDonald’s has engineered a bird that lays boneless chicks with fried breading shells.
Chuck Norris said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:32
I’ve heard that Obama is so hopeful, that the citizens of Hope would crawl over the rusted remains of John McCain’s hip replacements to touch Barry’s hem.
Travis said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:32
That’s nothing. McDonald’s has engineered a bird that lays boneless chicks with fried breading shells.
I’ll take three!
Righteous Bubba said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:39
Ted Kennedy’s brain tumour.
I have been unkind regarding the afflictions of people I dislike, but that’s really awful I guess and I should change my ways. Here’s hoping Hugh Hewitt does not get breast cancer.
Grand Moff Texan said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:44
CorrenteWire Average Visits per Day: 6,112
Something tells me they were doing better than that six months ago. Then, they went wrong.
.
thelogos said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:47
Gravel is running Libertarian:
http://www.gravel2008.us/
I’m voting for ‘im.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:48
Oh logos, you cad!
Ken Lowery said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:50
That’s nothing. McDonald’s has engineered a bird that lays boneless chicks with fried breading shells.
If they put this on a biscuit I’m buying stock.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:52
The biscuit comes out the other hole.
t4toby said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:52
Just sayin’.
pedestrian said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:53
Wait, isn’t Bob Barr already running Libertarian?
This will make the Dem primaries look like puppies tussling over a chew toy. Like, if the chew toy is a lion’s tail. And the lion is Mike Gravel. Then he has to battle Bob Barr, who is a crocodile, over the baby buffalo, which is the American voter.
The analogy falls apart after that.
Ken Lowery said,
May 20, 2008 at 22:54
BUT WHERE DOES THE FLYING BEAR FIT IN???
joel hanes said,