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	<description>Poise! Poise!</description>
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		<title>By: being released</title>
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		<dc:creator>being released</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In that scenario, if we’re still serious about fighting terrorism and saving innocent lives we’d be crazy to release any of the detainees, regardless of whether we have evidence of prior involvement with terrorism … .&lt;/i&gt;

This logic, I think, is actually used in the American criminal justice system. In the novel, The Animal Factory, by Edward &quot;Mr Blue in Reservoir Dogs&quot; Bunker a guy in prison for dealing drugs becomes violent in order to protect himself. When up for sentence adjustment, the judge says &quot;You may not have been violent before, but now you are and we can&#039;t let you out.&quot; I realize this is just a novel, but Bunker spent decades in prison and knew what he was talking about.

Not saying this isn&#039;t crazy talk, just that it&#039;s road tested crazy talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In that scenario, if we’re still serious about fighting terrorism and saving innocent lives we’d be crazy to release any of the detainees, regardless of whether we have evidence of prior involvement with terrorism … .</i></p>
<p>This logic, I think, is actually used in the American criminal justice system. In the novel, The Animal Factory, by Edward &#8220;Mr Blue in Reservoir Dogs&#8221; Bunker a guy in prison for dealing drugs becomes violent in order to protect himself. When up for sentence adjustment, the judge says &#8220;You may not have been violent before, but now you are and we can&#8217;t let you out.&#8221; I realize this is just a novel, but Bunker spent decades in prison and knew what he was talking about.</p>
<p>Not saying this isn&#8217;t crazy talk, just that it&#8217;s road tested crazy talk.</p>
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		<title>By: bago</title>
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		<dc:creator>bago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not as fucked up as some asshole you invited for free beer and scotch blowing away a bunch of your friends with a shotgun and pistol. Some people are just fucking assholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not as fucked up as some asshole you invited for free beer and scotch blowing away a bunch of your friends with a shotgun and pistol. Some people are just fucking assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9409.html#comment-604578</link>
		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sez the Wikipedia:
&lt;blockquote&gt;775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo, approximately 420 of which have been released. As of August 9, 2007, approximately 355 detainees remain. More than a fifth are cleared for release but may have to wait months or years because U.S. officials are finding it increasingly difficult to allocate places to send them, according to officials and defense lawyers. Of the roughly 355 still incarcerated, U.S. officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial and free the rest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So 775 people were rounded up at random and detained for long periods in violation of every human right. US officials admit that there is no reason to suspect about 700 of them, though nearly 300 no-evidence cases are still detained due to administrative inertia or the potential embarrassment of releasing them. Meanwhile, of the 420 people who &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; been released, &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; has been linked to a bomb attack, though it is not clear whether his anti-US feelings predated or were a result of his detention.
Mirengoff concludes that it would therefore be crazy to ever release any of the nearly 300 no-evidence-but-still-detained prisoners. It is not clear whether he also wants to re-arrest the 420 released ones.

I am going to write a Living Will, against the possibility that an accident or old age leaves me morally dead and I am reduced to making arguments like that, authorising my family to euthanase me quietly and use my body parts for transplants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sez the Wikipedia:</p>
<blockquote><p>775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo, approximately 420 of which have been released. As of August 9, 2007, approximately 355 detainees remain. More than a fifth are cleared for release but may have to wait months or years because U.S. officials are finding it increasingly difficult to allocate places to send them, according to officials and defense lawyers. Of the roughly 355 still incarcerated, U.S. officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial and free the rest.</p></blockquote>
<p>So 775 people were rounded up at random and detained for long periods in violation of every human right. US officials admit that there is no reason to suspect about 700 of them, though nearly 300 no-evidence cases are still detained due to administrative inertia or the potential embarrassment of releasing them. Meanwhile, of the 420 people who <i>have</i> been released, <i>one</i> has been linked to a bomb attack, though it is not clear whether his anti-US feelings predated or were a result of his detention.<br />
Mirengoff concludes that it would therefore be crazy to ever release any of the nearly 300 no-evidence-but-still-detained prisoners. It is not clear whether he also wants to re-arrest the 420 released ones.</p>
<p>I am going to write a Living Will, against the possibility that an accident or old age leaves me morally dead and I am reduced to making arguments like that, authorising my family to euthanase me quietly and use my body parts for transplants.</p>
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		<title>By: tensor</title>
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		<dc:creator>tensor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Let’s not forget that one day in jail was just too much for poor Lewis Scooter Libby to suffer.&lt;/I&gt;

But if he went to jail, and then had sex with some guy, the Religious Right would demand his incarceration for homosexuality. And since he&#039;s a Republican, we would never know if he&#039;d secretly been having homosex before going to The Big House. So, the only way to keep him out of jail is to keep him out of jail. Since this post shows that getting detained indefinitely has nothing to do with actual crimes, we can see the advantages. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Let’s not forget that one day in jail was just too much for poor Lewis Scooter Libby to suffer.</i></p>
<p>But if he went to jail, and then had sex with some guy, the Religious Right would demand his incarceration for homosexuality. And since he&#8217;s a Republican, we would never know if he&#8217;d secretly been having homosex before going to The Big House. So, the only way to keep him out of jail is to keep him out of jail. Since this post shows that getting detained indefinitely has nothing to do with actual crimes, we can see the advantages. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9409.html#comment-604512</link>
		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If someone was a terrorist before he went into Gitmo, we can’t release him. And if he wasn’t, he still can’t be released because, well, we’ve probably turned him into one. Heads we win; tails they lose — the perfect wingnut wager.&lt;/i&gt;

Stephen Colbert came to the same conclusion after debating himself in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.videosift.com/video/Formidable-Opponent-Gitmo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Formidable Opponent&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If someone was a terrorist before he went into Gitmo, we can’t release him. And if he wasn’t, he still can’t be released because, well, we’ve probably turned him into one. Heads we win; tails they lose — the perfect wingnut wager.</i></p>
<p>Stephen Colbert came to the same conclusion after debating himself in <a href="http://www.videosift.com/video/Formidable-Opponent-Gitmo" rel="nofollow"><i>Formidable Opponent</i></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: MileHi Hawkeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>MileHi Hawkeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sorry for your loss g.  

Speaking as someone who wasn&#039;t supposed to live to see 14, I know how hard it is on the family and friends--especially the parents.  I can only hope they (and you)  take comfort in their memories and the fact that he is no longer suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sorry for your loss g.  </p>
<p>Speaking as someone who wasn&#8217;t supposed to live to see 14, I know how hard it is on the family and friends&#8211;especially the parents.  I can only hope they (and you)  take comfort in their memories and the fact that he is no longer suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: WereBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>WereBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 15:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so sorry, g.

The younger the person is, the harder. We feel they did not get good value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so sorry, g.</p>
<p>The younger the person is, the harder. We feel they did not get good value.</p>
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		<title>By: dim-witted badger</title>
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		<dc:creator>dim-witted badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 11:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;FUCKING&lt;/i&gt; pelicans. 

To quote...

Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that&#039;s how it always starts. Then later there&#039;s running and screaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>FUCKING</i> pelicans. </p>
<p>To quote&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that&#8217;s how it always starts. Then later there&#8217;s running and screaming.</p>
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		<title>By: Doodle Bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doodle Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 10:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Rugged was right somehow?!?!?!  That&#039;s the real news here.

My condolences, g.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Rugged was right somehow?!?!?!  That&#8217;s the real news here.</p>
<p>My condolences, g.</p>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9409.html#comment-604175</link>
		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 07:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In light of Mirengoff&#039;s enthusiasm for the culture of incarceration, can I suggest that any future pictures of him should be phopped into one of Piranesi&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jimandellen.org/gothic/piranesi2.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;Carceri&#039;?&lt;/A&gt;
Note for Mikey: That is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a depiction of the guest-room here at Maison D&#039;Etre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In light of Mirengoff&#8217;s enthusiasm for the culture of incarceration, can I suggest that any future pictures of him should be phopped into one of Piranesi&#8217;s <a href="http://www.jimandellen.org/gothic/piranesi2.jpg" rel="nofollow">&#8216;Carceri&#8217;?</a><br />
Note for Mikey: That is <i>not</i> a depiction of the guest-room here at Maison D&#8217;Etre.</p>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 07:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;a hot piece of metal or a sharp blade in the millenia&lt;/i&gt;
[English comedian]
Oo-err. Sounds painful.
[/English comedian]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>a hot piece of metal or a sharp blade in the millenia</i><br />
[English comedian]<br />
Oo-err. Sounds painful.<br />
[/English comedian]</p>
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		<title>By: Prospero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prospero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 07:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Terrorists</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Terrorists</p>
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		<title>By: Prospero</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9409.html#comment-604167</link>
		<dc:creator>Prospero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 06:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrorist just hate you for your freedoms! 




Like, freedom to imprison innocent people, for example...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrorist just hate you for your freedoms! </p>
<p>Like, freedom to imprison innocent people, for example&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: protected static</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9409.html#comment-604164</link>
		<dc:creator>protected static</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, g. 

Wish I had more to offer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, g. </p>
<p>Wish I had more to offer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew A. Gill, SLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew A. Gill, SLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 05:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only can&#039;t he count, but he apparently &lt;b&gt;can&#039;t count to 1&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only can&#8217;t he count, but he apparently <b>can&#8217;t count to 1</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 05:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But suppose conditions there really have been that bad. In that scenario, if we’re still serious about fighting terrorism and saving innocent lives we’d be crazy to release any of the detainees, regardless of whether we have evidence of prior involvement with terrorism … .&lt;/i&gt;

Godwin&#039;s Law ought not apply in this instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But suppose conditions there really have been that bad. In that scenario, if we’re still serious about fighting terrorism and saving innocent lives we’d be crazy to release any of the detainees, regardless of whether we have evidence of prior involvement with terrorism … .</i></p>
<p>Godwin&#8217;s Law ought not apply in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: OneMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 05:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g, sorry to hear of your friend.  We should all give those we love an extra hug tonight.

And I agree that Steyn shouldn&#039;t be prosecuted.  He should be mocked and humiliated, just like all of these asshats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>g, sorry to hear of your friend.  We should all give those we love an extra hug tonight.</p>
<p>And I agree that Steyn shouldn&#8217;t be prosecuted.  He should be mocked and humiliated, just like all of these asshats.</p>
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		<title>By: MzNicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>MzNicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Think of the jobs created by guarding the innocent made guilty from abuse.&lt;/i&gt;

And as all capitalists know, the creation of jobs is the most important endeavor ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Think of the jobs created by guarding the innocent made guilty from abuse.</i></p>
<p>And as all capitalists know, the creation of jobs is the most important endeavor ever.</p>
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		<title>By: henry lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9409.html#comment-604131</link>
		<dc:creator>henry lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh....

I jumped ahead and posted. I&#039;ll post again.

My condolences, g. 

16 years old. How unfair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230;.</p>
<p>I jumped ahead and posted. I&#8217;ll post again.</p>
<p>My condolences, g. </p>
<p>16 years old. How unfair.</p>
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		<title>By: henry lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seattle times on Steyn:

&lt;i&gt;A bellicose champion of the West, Steyn predicts in his new book, &quot;America Alone,&quot; that Muslims will swarm over Europe&lt;/i&gt;

The champion of bedwetting.

&lt;i&gt;In Canada, the law makes such questions the government&#039;s decision.&lt;/i&gt;

Gross exaggeration.  Citizens complain, a tribunal is held, all sides argue. A slap on the wrist may or may not be ordered.  Enforcement is likewise slack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seattle times on Steyn:</p>
<p><i>A bellicose champion of the West, Steyn predicts in his new book, &#8220;America Alone,&#8221; that Muslims will swarm over Europe</i></p>
<p>The champion of bedwetting.</p>
<p><i>In Canada, the law makes such questions the government&#8217;s decision.</i></p>
<p>Gross exaggeration.  Citizens complain, a tribunal is held, all sides argue. A slap on the wrist may or may not be ordered.  Enforcement is likewise slack.</p>
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