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The stupid bullshit needs to stop
Christ, am I sick of stuff like this:
[…] Not everyone who has been anti-Bush is also a progressive - or even a liberal. Plenty of conservatives and libertarians have turned against Bush, and many of them are enamored of Obama. Not on a political basis, but because backing him allows them to feel good about themselves.
Lambert caused them discomfort, and there’s nothing a latte-swilling creative elitist hates more than being uncomfortable. So they squeal.
No, dude, Lambert caused us to roll our eyes because Lambert endorsed bogus faux-populist economics as if that they were the genuine face of populism, and claimed that Obama supporters simply don’t want the reg’lar folk to git $30 because they’re too busy slamming their dicks into Starbucks pastries to pay attention to what Real Americans believe.
See, the actual reason I oppose the gas tax holiday is because it won’t work. It just won’t. You’re talking about lowering the gas tax during a time when there is peak demand for gasoline and a limited overall output. While prices might initially go down because people have been moderating their behavior to lessen their demand, prices will eventually shoot back up once people start driving more — e.g., on their summer vacations. This isn’t bloody elitism, dude; it’s basic economics. See also Dr. Atrios, who can explain it like a real economist.
Now look: In the long run, this is not a big deal. If HRC wants to institute a gas tax holiday while putting a windfall tax on oil companies to make up for lost revenue, I say fine. But recognize that it probably won’t do a lot to help people out. That — and not because I have my penis lodged within a Starbuck’s pastry — is why I’m generally opposed to it, and why I think other measures, such as investing more in public transportation or delivering actual national health insurance (much like the kind that HRC wants to deliver, not the crappier version concocted by the Obama camp), would be far more productive.
Finally: I’d like to state once and for all that I do not give a shit who wins this godforsaken primary. Yes, I voted for Obama because I thought he was marginally better on foreign policy, despite his weaknesses on domestic policy. Neither candidate is perfect, both are vastly better than McCain. Too many Obama and Clinton supporters need to step back, take a deep breath and realize that this election is far more important than their individual candidates. I’ve seen entirely too much stupid bullshit over the past few months, such as Kos summarily excommunicating Hillary from the Democratic Party or this nonsense about how opposing Hillary’s gas tax plan means that you “don’t acknowledge that there are poor people in America.” Stop the stupid bullshit, people. It’s not doing any of us any good, because we all have far more in common than Hillary and Obama have differences. People shouldn’t be kicked out of the damn Democratic Party because they didn’t vote for your damn candidate.
Update: Incidentally, I make $40,000 a year, I drive a used Ford Taurus, and the price of gas is killing me on my morning commute. So please, spare me the damn lectures about how out of touch I am.
Gavin adds: Meanwhile, in reference to the pig-squeal quote above, here’s the latest from Pam Spaulding on the strange and inexplicable attempt by the Republican Party in North Carolina to weaken Obama in the Democratic primary contest.
Why, if we didn’t know better, we’d suspect that there’s some kind of ongoing and organized campaign of interference going on…
steve evfuture said,
May 6, 2008 at 21:59
This was about as close to a “vote for me and I’ll give you a dollar” pandering as has ever been concocted. How low are Clinton supporters going to take it? And why the hell are there still Clinton supporters, for that matter? What is wrong with you people?
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:00
Splitter.
Doctorb Science said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:03
Y’know, it probably costs a lot to live close to where I work, and I could probably find a cheaper place that’s farther away, and even with gas at four bucks a gallon the commute would be financially “worth it”, but damn if it isn’t nice to ride a bike to my job. And to not sit in traffic on these ridiculous highways. I’m sure it doesn’t work for everyone, but plenty of people saying that are really just making excuses.
Doodle Bean said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:05
Brad,
You have your penis in a Starbucks pastry?!?!? Why, dude?
Why????
Matt T. said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:05
Not on a political basis, but because backing him allows them to feel good about themselves.
Wow.
latte-swilling creative elitist
Damn. Liberals calling other liberals “latte-swilling elitists” and acussing them of voting only to impress other people.
Well, maybe the DNC/DCL droogies will be able to have someone else besides Nader to blame when the Democratic Party screws the pooch come Novemeber. On the plus side, they’ll be able to blame a woman or a black dude, thus remaining unthreatening to the status quo.
Doodle Bean said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:05
Shit. I forgot the “OMG!!!”
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:06
In all seriousness, I agree 100%. I prefer Obama, but I will vote for Hill in a heartbeat.
John McCain scares the shit outta me.
r4d20 said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:06
I’m starting the “Free Money for People Like You” Party.
Travis said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:07
If there’s a Starbucks on every corner, and there’s always a line, how elite are these “elites”, anyway?
Chris said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:08
At last, a use for a Starbucks pastry that justifies their prices.
jack fate said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:10
Well maybe if you went to Aldi’s and fucked the pastries there instead of dropping some of your elitist™ loot on Starbucks food, you wouldn’t be hurtin’ so much, eh? Ever think of that? Though, it’s probably hard for you to understand that concept when your standing in line at Whole Foods with a $6 box of brownies you plan to take home and defile.
atheist said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:11
t4toby
Totally. I’d rather be disappointed than honestly scared.
tigrismus said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:12
WTF, the RSS feed promised a cheese-filled bachelor paradise… so where are they?
El Cid said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:13
If you don’t mind me asking, exactly how the f***ing how does Hillary Clinton propose instituting this windfall / excess tax on oil companies THIS SUMMER with a Lieberman-tipped Senate and a veto-happy Bush Jr?????
Or is this part of the “P*ss Down My Leg And Tell Me It’s Raining Nationally Stimulating Recovery Plan” to help defund my state’s federally-supported infrastructure projects the funds previously received from federal gas taxes vanishes???
Travis said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:14
Maybe it won’t be “Lieberman-tipped” anymore once she tags him as her running mate…?
steve evfuture said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:17
It is hard for me to understand why people would sit here and talk about what a pandering, dishonest sellout Hillary Clinton is then follow that up with “but I’ll vote for her if she ‘wins’ the nomination” (presumably through some sort of dishonest power play from her people). You are giving the green light for a politician to do whatever they want as long as they run as a Democrat. You are doing the same thing people have been criticizing Republicans for for years. If Clinton somehow manages to steal this nomination, it will be sad to see so many people do an about-face and start lauding her. If it wasn’t already obvious after she voted to kill hundreds of thousands of people to help her election campaign, her behavior during this campaign should make it clear that she is at the bottom of the barrel. Have some dignity and self-respect.
smiley said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:18
Gas-tax holiday or not, gas prices will be lower in September and October — until about mid November when they’ll go back up again. Bank on it.
Legalize said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:18
“Incidentally, I make a whopping $40,000 a year, I drive a used Ford Taurus, and the price of gas is killing me on my morning commute.”
OMG elitist!!!!!
OneMadClown said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:20
So, we latte-swilling creative elitists disagree with HRC’s gas tax hoo-ha because we so loathe the poor that any measure taken to help them automatically meets with our snobbish derision? Uh-huh.
Well then, it might also be argued that our comrade in Corrente’s comments dear love of Hillary’s nonsensical proposal might let him/her feel all good about themselves for helping those Real Americans out, without all the trouble and fuss of actually, you know, doing anything.
Lambert didn’t make me ‘uncomfortable’ friend. He just made me roll my eyes.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:21
At last, a use for a Starbucks pastry that justifies their prices.
Look, has everyone here gone bananas and forgotten that doughnuts have a hole in them? A HOLE, PEOPLE!
chiggins said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:22
At last, a use for a Starbucks pastry that justifies their prices.
This Summer, introducing the “7 Diamond Scone”, only $4000. An hour.
D.N. Nation said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:23
http://www.b12partners.net/mt/images/lawyers_melting.jpg
phleabo said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:24
Thanks. That’s the image I needed.
I started the campaign season not having anything for or against Hillary Clinton, maybe even being slightly disposed in her favor because of the nastiness the press showed her during Bill’s term. The longer the campaign goes on, though, the more I loathe her. She’s the epitome of the triangulating, say-whatever-I-have-to politician that I can’t stand. I pray to all the gods I don’t believe in that she doesn’t get the nomination.
And if she does, I’ll support her and work to get her elected. Because of the supreme court, and because she’s not that crazy ass John McCain motherfucker.
Travis said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:27
How much better will the Supreme Court nominees of a former Wal-Mart board member be, really?
Matt T. said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:28
because she’s not that crazy ass John McCain motherfucker.
Indeed. Clinton is merely Part Of The Problem, and I firmly believe that all problems have a solution. John McCain is, as my uncle is fond of saying, nuttier than squirrel shit. Just wait until the first debate when he blows a cog. Dropped the c-bomb on his old lady in public, so we’re up for something special, I bethca.
El Cid said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:29
I am of the decided opinion that shockingly awful is worse than stagnatingly miserable.
Tom Hilton said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:31
The other day I was arguing with a wingnut on some message board, and his ultimate response to my arguments was this:
Sound familiar? You could copy and paste that whole thing into an anti-Obama rant and nobody would know the difference. And how depressing is that?
August Pollak is exactly right: the hardcore Clintonistas have become the post-9/11 warbloggers of 2008. Super Tuesday really is The Day That Changed Everything.
Jake H. said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:31
I do so love watching the American consciousness circle the drain. Today, I woke up and learned that the word “creative” is now an insult! All those times I brought home primary school art projects to show my mom…I thought she was PRAISING me! I wonder what tomorrow will bring? Perhaps “smart,” “friendly,” “tall,” or “normal-smelling” can be added to the list of unacceptable traits which cause one’s vote to no longer count in this great country of ours!
Life is like a box of chocolates full of rusty nails and beaver shit and the acidic blood of insectoid aliens.
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:32
If she picks Lieberman I’m going to drop out of society and become a farmer.
Because in the ensuing anarchy, everyone will want to feel mellow.
Basharov said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:33
Her obscene eagerness to nuke the Iranians is the deal-breaker for me.
PeeJ said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:35
You have your penis in a Starbucks pastry?!?!? Why, dude?
Why????
What the hell else do you do with a Fuckbum?
Jennifer said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:36
Let’s be honest: if she takes the nom (at this point, “steals” is about the only possibility open), in November we have a choice between half a shit sandwich and a footlong shit hoagie. Personally, I don’t want to eat ANY shit.
robert green said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:38
jake
reagan made “smart” a bad thing. anti-intellectualism was rampant in the US in the 80s, in that very we are intellectual right wing thugs who believe in belittling others like us way. very podhoretz/religion. fucking double-reverse marxists, the lot of them.
also, let’s remember: everything good and valuable and useful this country has ever done has come from creative types, intellectuals, eggheads and the like. fucking quarterbacks who fucked the hot cheerleader have NEVER DONE SHIT to make this country great. roger staubach can eat me.
phleabo said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:38
I’ll bet the worst candidate Hillary might nominate beats the best one that you’d get from McCain. I hope so.
Of course, I bet the Republicans would still be able to derail any nominee to the left of Alito. Because if there’s one thing you can count on the Democrats for, it’s losing any semblance of a spine in the face of wingnut mau-mauing.
robert green said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:38
jennifer, let’s be honest
if you can’t see the difference between hilary and mccain, you are a total fucking idiot and should be shunned by people with brains.
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:39
You’re a female, am I correct, Doodle?
Because I’m pretty sure no male would ask this. Isn’t it obvious?
Because it was there.
robert green said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:40
on the plus side i’m really liking this new portishead record.
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:40
robert, don’t start that. We had enough of that tone in the Great Nader Fights of 2008.
Seriously. Don’t turn the comments into a circular firing squad.
dan b said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:41
man, now I feel really bad both because I’m “creative,” which is the worst thing an American can be, and because I drive my car about four times a month to get groceries, which means I am out of touch with real Amurrrkins. basically, I might as well be Hitler.
stryx said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:41
Looks like brad found a place that sells fukbum.
And to think all this while I’ve been eating those Starbuks pastries…
Arky H8r of VurdPress said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:42
OK, I’ve figured out what happened. Some democrats were testing their new matter transmitter that was going to make fossil fuels a thing of the past. Unfortunately, a republican flew into the chamber just as the MT fired.
Help. Me. Help. Meeee!
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:42
Suggesting that someone who does not share your worldview is…
…puts you squarely in Trollsville.
Jim said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:42
If it is, Barry Glazer is there to help!
Zifnab said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:42
Even Lieberman would be preferable to McCain as President. Lieberman knows how to toe the party line. He’ll line up with the other Dems on tax votes and on voting rights votes and on funding bills and on education measures. McCain will line up with the GOP. It’s that simple.
I wish we didn’t live in a world where the little letter in front of your name was basically half of what your constituency votes for. It would be nice to have a bigger number of Republicans that voted a consistent Ron Paul style fiscal policy without getting drawn and quartered by the party leadership. It would be swell if Democratic Senators didn’t have to belly up to the bar on the ridiculous “Economic Stimulus” package just because Harry Reid barked at them. I’d be all for a political institution in which party loyalty wasn’t the be-all end-all of the system and legislators and executives actually used their fucking brains.
Sadly, we do not live in that world. So, come November, if - for some godawful reason - Hillary’s name is still on the ballot and Obama’s isn’t, I’ll vote for her. Because the alternative is worse, and I’m not so moral that I’ll forgo choosing the lesser of two evils.
Incertus said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:43
How much better will the Supreme Court nominees of a former Wal-Mart board member be, really?
On personal liberties issues? A lot better. On corporate issues–it doesn’t really matter, because 7 of the current 9 Justices are corporatists anyway. It’s not going to change anything.
if she takes the nom (at this point, “steals” is about the only possibility open),
I know it’s cool and all to toss around the idea that if Clinton convinces the superdelegates to choose her, she’s somehow stolen the nomination, but it’s also pretty stupid. Saying she’d steal the nomination by doing that is the same as arguing that Florida and Michigan should count–just a different side of the argument. Supedelegates are part of the process agreed to by all candidates at the beginning of the process–there’s nothing in the rules that says a candidate has to win a single state in the primary/caucus process to be the nominee.
Jacob Singer said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:44
I’m 46 years old, ex-Navy, live kinda out in the country in Georgia, make less than 25 grand a year after taxes, and have never drank a latte in my life. And if I get called a “latte-swilling elitist” just because I support Obama and think Hillary is about a stone’s-throw away from being a Republican herself (at least in how she operating her campaign) one more goddam time I’m gonna go freakin’ ballistic.
Sorry for the run-on sentence.
atheist said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:44
It is hard for me to understand why people would sit here and talk about what a pandering, dishonest sellout Hillary Clinton is then follow that up with “but I’ll vote for her if she ‘wins’ the nomination”
Dude, it’s amazingly simple. John McCain, if elected, almost certainly will start at least one more war. He has straightforwardly stated that he plans to do so. Clinton may or may not start at least one more war, in the event of a Clinton win.
As far as I’m concerned, that works.
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:47
Baby steps.
robert green said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:52
no, toby, that’s bullshit. ideological purity is “i won’t vote for her because there are two corporate parties and war” etc.
in the real world, someone will be president. there are three possibilities. there is no rational analysis that does not place 2 of those 3 firmly above the third. whining about how shitty our choices are is fine–saying that there is no damn difference take you (not you, but you know what i mean) into troll territory. human lives will be greatly effected by this choice, and to pretend that it doesn’t make a difference is unacceptable nihilism. it needs to be stomped out NOW.
so i reiterate, if you don’t get that there is a significant difference between hilary and mccain, you are a moron and not worthy of being taken seriously. and when my kids are old enough, i will teach them to hate people like you(again, you), particularly if we end up with a president who doesn’t do a damn thing about global warming and stuffs the supreme court with vicious fuckwits.
further, as a strong obama supporter (you can look it up, my wife and i have given a ton of money to the guy) i will max out for hilary and drive to purple states on her behalf and live in a shitty motel room for a couple of weeks.
because elections matter, and attitudes like “they’re all the same” are evil.
zeppo said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:53
I want to know why drinking lattes is elitist. That makes about 70% of the population of Seattle elitist. We are, after all, the home of Starbucks, Seattle’s Best Coffee, and Tully’s. In my estimation, there are a WHOLE lot more people who drink lattes around here than, say, own a John Deer tractor. In my world, that makes farmers the elitists. We latte drinkers are the common folk. Salt of the earth. With a sprinkle of cinnamon.
That is a really stupid argument. I’m at work and a bit bored. Never mind.
robert green said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:53
sorry, to be clear, all “you”s do not refer to the excellent mr. t4toby.
Jake H. said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:54
I’m 46 years old, ex-Navy, live kinda out in the country in Georgia, make less than 25 grand a year after taxes, and have never drank a latte in my life. And if I get called a “latte-swilling elitist” just because I support Obama and think Hillary is about a stone’s-throw away from being a Republican herself (at least in how she operating her campaign) one more goddam time I’m gonna go freakin’ ballistic.
Yeah, but I’ll bet you’re CREATIVE! Come on, admit it, I bet you doodle on old receipts when you’re on a boring phone call! I bet you make up alternate lyrics to popular songs to make people laugh!!! Admit it, you creative bastard!!!!! YOU’RE WHAT’S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY!!!!
Arky H8r of VurdPress said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:55
We promise to continue to call her a hack. Better?
Jacob Singer said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:57
Well, I did go to the North Carolina School of the Arts.
SHIT!
justme said,
May 6, 2008 at 22:59
Don’t you just love the Crunchy Frog and the Lark’s Vomit Cup?
Care for a
SpringOctober Surprise?Susan of Texas said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:00
My grocery store in an immigrant neighborhood used to sell espressos for a dollar. I miss those days. Now it’s bottled Starbucks. Bastards.
Guys, guys, it doesn’t matter. We could have pressured the candidates to go left, but now it’s too late. Everyone was too busy playing Mommy Loves Me Best. We’re gonna bomb Iran, the world will come crashing down upon us, and the only thing to look forward to is watching the marauding hordes chase down Jonah Goldberg and roast him on a spit.
Homosexuals are aids monkeys said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:02
Barack Obama is a socialist who will destroy the American economy and weaken American national security by cutting defense spending as he has stated numerous times in addition to eliminating “unproven” missle defense and preventing the development of new weapon systems. If Obama becomes President, America will cease to be great and China will become the world’s military superpower and trust me they won’t be as benevolent as America in using their military might.
stryx said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:06
Roasted Jonah- smells like Cheetos.
justme said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:07
Whups, that’s Ram’s Bladder Cup.
Tom Hilton said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:07
I will continue to bash McCain. I will encourage everyone to vote for Clinton. Just don’t expect me to say anything nice about her.
Susan of Texas said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:08
Shorter haam: Mmmmmmm, weapons.
atheist said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:10
We’re gonna bomb Iran, the world will come crashing down upon us, and the only thing to look forward to is watching the marauding hordes chase down Jonah Goldberg and roast him on a spit.
Kind of my premonition as well.
Should we perhaps buy shotguns or something? Or, make sure we have enough dough to get a bus ticket to Canada?
zeppo said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:10
Roasted Jonah on a spit… Ick. Imagine the grease fire that could ensue if you didn’t go about that very carefully.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:10
Just don’t expect me to say anything nice about her.
Boy, I well remember all that John Kerry go-go enthusiasm.
Fozzetti said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:10
Its the Latte-swilling elitist’ in their huge 8mg per gallon SUVs who’ll benefit most from a reduction -however small- in gas prices. Not 40K a year people driving 12 year old Nissan Sentras’.
Jay B. said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:11
In divided time like this, it’s nice to read someone’s comments that will unify us all. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Jake H. said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:11
When people put a nice chocky in their mouth they don’t want their cheeks pierced!
Susan of Texas said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:12
Should we perhaps buy shotguns or something?
You mean you don’t have half a dozen already? (I’ve been in Texas too long.)
Actually, I suspect the best thing to have is a large dog. Which I don’t have.
Fozzetti said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:12
Phleabo: “.. I’ll support her and work to get her elected. Because of the supreme court, and because she’s not that crazy ass John McCain motherfucker.”
AND keep a very close watch on everything she says and does, as well as the Congress we elect.
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:15
I was told that because I didn’t regret my 2000 Nader vote in solidly blue Washington State I was fucking stupid and below contempt.
So now I’m a little sensitive to the ad hominem attacks relative to someone’s politics.
We are all here at Sadly because deep down we share a belief set. At least I think this is true. Let’s not attack each other’s mental capacity when we know we are at least smart enough to spend time here.
phleabo said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:16
Speaking of Iran, anyone want to place bets on W deciding to carry out God’s will by launching an attack November 5, if the election doesn’t go his way?
Tom said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:17
Kos didn’t excommunicate anybody. There was a rabid HRC contingent who thought that anyone who called out Hillary for her bullshit was a sexist/misogynist/whatever pig, and walked out in a highly dramatic huff.
Homosexuals are aids monkeys said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:17
John McCain is a social Conservative who will appoint originalist Justices to the Supreme Court. Its only a matter of time before that old fart John Paul Stevens either retires or takes the plunge then thanks to John McCain the Supreme Court will have five Conservatives: McCain’s new appointee in addition to John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito. One moderate: Anthony Kennedy. And three impotent liberals: David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer. Then hopefully God willing Roe v. Wade will be overturned and many states will outlaw abortion. If only we had a chance in Canada to ban abortion.
Grand Moff Texan said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:18
For behold! He is exhibit ‘A’!
.
Grand Moff Texan said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:19
Why in the hell would a conservative start doing that? They never have before.
.
zeppo said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:20
You know, that troll we have isn’t all that funny….
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:20
Wake up and smell the T-Bonds, son.
Gary Ruppert said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:20
The fact is, Brad is a snivelling elitist snob who drinks Don Periyon, sneers at the working man from his hummerzine, and thinks taxes are for the “little people”. The fact is, his mother was probably Leona Helmsey and he should really just stop whining. We’reb tired of it here in the Heartland,
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:23
I used to have a subscription to Hummerzine, until my imaginary girlfriend found my stash under my mattress.
stryx said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:26
Now, roast Gary?
Smells like Alliaria petiolata.
SamFromUtah said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:28
Alliaria petiolata
I had to look that one up. At first I thought it meant “garlic fart”, and that works too.
Grand Moff Texan said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:29
Hillary brought this on herself. She campaigned on low-information voters and she’s stuck with low-information voters.
No wonder they sound like Republicans.
.
Homosexuals are aids monkeys said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:30
I hear that mikey smells like shit.
tigrismus said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:32
You’re tired of hearing whining in the Heartland? Do you go to an otocardiologist?
t4toby said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:36
the difference is that people would still like and respect mikey even if he smelled like shit because he has perspective and wit. I’m guessing the only thing you have going for you is the faint stink of Brut and mildew.
Chris St James. Saul. Bastion Booger.
At least you like to mix it up…
fruity said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:39
haam: “America will cease to be great and China will become the world’s military superpower and trust me they won’t be as benevolent as America in using their military”
benevolent - heh. Our military is just dropping by with cupcakes and this toaster oven we picked up at a yardsale and thought you might be able to use…
phleabo said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:43
By any chance, is your name Doug? Have you ever written a dBase app?
zeppo said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:46
Our military, by defintion, is neither benevolent nor malevolent. It is a tool, albeit a very LARGE tool, that is weilded by the Commander (or Codpiece, as the case may be) in Chief of the United States of America. Our military can certainly be used for some benevolent causes, like some of the relief actions they provided in the aftermath of the tsunami. But, the military can also reduce countries to rubble, if so ordered.
It is the commander in chief that we need to be worried about, not the military.
D. Sidhe said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:47
If only we had a chance in Canada to ban abortion.
Wait. HAAM is in Canada? So he’s been libeling and threatening US citizens over a US election the fucker can’t even vote in? Can we ban his ass already? This doesn’t even make the Know Your Enemy cut anymore.
Jon H said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:47
I can’t help but think that the gax tax holiday amounts to subsidizing the lifestyles of people who foolishly bought inefficient cars.
I really lack empathy for anyone who’s bought an SUV in this decade, who is now feeling the pinch. Especially if they are of limited means. After all, they’ve always been spending more on gas than they *could* have.
I have a certain amount of empathy for people whose job requires a large vehicle and which doesn’t reimburse for mileage.
People who bought a truck to tow a boat? No. People who bought an SUV rather than a station wagon or minivan? Nope.
g said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:52
We are, after all, the home of Starbucks, Seattle’s Best Coffee, and Tully’s. In my estimation, there are a WHOLE lot more people who drink lattes around here than, say, own a John Deer tractor.
And in Seattle even the owners of John Deer tractors drink lattes.
fahey said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:52
I await Lambert’s first book
Latte Fascism
The Secret History of the American Elitism, From McGovern to the Politics of Letting the African American Community Hold The Party Hostage.
Blue Buddha said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:53
If there’s a Startbucks on every corner, and an effette elitist sticks his dick in a pastry… but there was no one else around to hear it… would it make make a sound?
g said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:56
can’t help but think that the gax tax holiday amounts to subsidizing the lifestyles of people who foolishly bought inefficient cars.
now now. You’re starting to think like Malkin.
See, when she’s for it, this kind of thinking is wrong. when she’s against it, why this argument is just her style.
Hmm…..doop doop doop….wonder what La Malkin thinks of the gas tax holiday…?
Anne Laurie said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:57
On the plus side, they’ll be able to blame a woman or a black dude, thus remaining unthreatening to the status quo.
Matt, because I am an eeyore, it has been my suspicion that this was the plan all along. “Hey, if either HRC or BHO wins, we’re the mold-breakers! And if either one loses, heck, we blame Those People!”
Thirty-plus years I’ve been waiting to vote for a woman as a “serious” preznidential candidate, and they give me… Hillary Clinton, pandering to Old John McSame and his puppeteers. (Can you tell I was a John Edwards supporter?) I will, of course, vote for whichever candidate finally gets to top the (D) column, but… let’s just say, the fReichtards, the Talebangelicals, and the Robber Baron Cheerleaders who make up the modern Republican party are driving me further & further into tinfoil hat territory.
Hoosier X said,
May 6, 2008 at 23:59
I’m not sure that I would vote for Hillary in the general election.
Some of her talking points are as fucking stupid and nonsensical as anything farted into punditland by the likes of Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin.
It’s the main thing I hate about conservatives in general.
So why would I vote for a Democrat doing the same thing? (Cue Clintonistas saying Obama is just as bad. And then being stingy with details or spewing more of their silly nonsense.)
If it comes down to Clinton vs. McCain, I may not vote, or I may vote for a third party candidate. Or I may decide that the almost meaningless difference between McCain and Clinton has enough meaning to make it worthwhile to cast that vote for Clinton.
Thing is, it won’t come to that. There may be enough stupid Republicans to fall for that shit and make George W. Bush the Repug candidate for two elections running. But there aren’t enough stupid Democrats to make Hillary the candidate.
Hillary played the “Dumb Americans” card over and over and it’s just gotten too blatant. She’s in the wrong party for that.
Maybe I would vote for Hillary in the general if it came to that. It won’t come to that, despite the yammering of the so-called liberal media.
Gus said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:04
Wait a minute, is haam Canadian? Back on topic, I’ve said repeatedly, that my problem isn’t so much with Hillary Clinton and her policies as with her supporters. I could support her almost semi-enthusiastically if I wasn’t accused of misogyny every time I point out that, say, she’s pandering big-time on the gas tax holiday. Also, the elitist thing is laughable. I make a very modest mid-5 figure income, and struggle to pay my bills. I do, however, drink craft beers, so maybe that’s what they mean by elitist.
DragonScholar said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:06
The problem is that our politics IS all bulls**t and it takes concerted effort to step outside of it and NOT make it all about B.S., cults of personality, and self-deception.
I put it this way - every time you care more about B.S. than real life, you’re acting like a Republican.
So don’t do it.
t4toby said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:07
squink, squink, squink ?
mikey said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:10
Ok, fine. If we have to put up with this stupid smug asshole with the offensive nym for now, whatevs. But after mccain loses in november by eighteen points, can we all agree that on the basis of just plain being ass-headed wrong he gets banned?
mikey
Blue Buddha said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:10
My uncle (from mother’s side) lives near Missoula, Montana. A few years ago, my mother went to visit him, and she said that there’s a coffee house on every corner in that town, selling lattes and whatnot. The coffee house idea pretty much had swept in from Seattle and taken over.
I hope you’re glad that you’re pissing off Rugged in Montana.
Arky H8r of VurdPress said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:11
Don’t worry, no one is being subsidized for poor choices except the oil execs.
Thanks in part to their efforts “inefficent cars” describes most of the cars on the road. U.S. mileage standards are a joke and the last I checked you have to sacrifice two relatives, a house pet and pluck out three of your teeth to even test drive a hybrid by Honda or Toyota.
Added bonus, poorer people tend to drive older cars which have poorer gas mileage in addition to other problems which cause a drop in fuel efficiency (new tires or food? you decide).
And don’t get me started about ethanol.
I guess you could say the people who bought and still own their Chevy 4×4 Testicles which they use to drive to the mall are getting a bit of a break but, 18 cents? They won’t notice or care.
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May 7, 2008 at 0:12
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Blue Buddha said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:12
Speaking about penises and pastries…
Jeff said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:14
How do I put this…? No! This study shows that when a gas tax holiday was done in Illinois when they cut the state gas tax during the summer of 2000, there was a savings to the drivers of the state. The cost of gas dropped at the borders of the state by 3% (the taxes were lowered by 5%). The cost of gas in the middle of the state dropped by 4%. So the 60-80% of the tax decrease was passed on to the drivers. Illinois didn’t recoup the lost revenue, as Hillary plans to do, so they voted against continuing it.
Jay B. said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:21
ack. try this little thought process out: tax ‘holiday’, oil companies raise prices (no effective savings), oil companies hit with a ‘windfall profits tax’, oil companies raise prices again to offset profit loss.
No?
Lawnguylander said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:22
National Bureau of Economic Research? Nice try but I’m not going to put my lot in with economists.
t4toby said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:22
Penis Pastry?
(NSFW)
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Righteous Bubba said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:25
Nice try but I’m not going to put my lot in with economists.
I salute you.
atheist said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:28
We are all here at Sadly because deep down we share a belief set. At least I think this is true. Let’s not attack each other’s mental capacity when we know we are at least smart enough to spend time here.
We like politics, & that’s good, but really we are more of a very loose social group. You may think that someone is dumb for having x political position, but I think you are dumb for dissing a fellow SadlyNosian in such a counterproductive way.
David said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:30
Why, if we didn’t know better, we’d suspect that there’s some kind of ongoing and organized campaign of interference going on…
You mean, the same way Kos organized a campaign of interference months earlier in the GOP Michigan primary?
Sauce for the gander, my friend, sauce for the gander.
Welsh Person said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:31
You guys should just elect party leaders and have them run. The way everyone else does it.
t4toby said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:31
Was that a shorter t4toby?
Jeff said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:33
Right, because Obama has clearly stated that he voted against the gas tax, after he voted for it, because it didn’t work. And facts that say it did must be ignored. OTOH, all the other economists say it wouldn’t work, so by ignoring the facts that prove it did, you are putting your lot with economists. Only you’re with the economists that are saying it won’t work, in theory. I’m with the economists who showed it worked, in practice.
J said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:36
The most annoying thing about these posts at Corrente (and yes, I know it’s difficult to pick just *one* annoying, idiotic aspect of this buffoonery) is the flurry of oh-so-clever acronyms littering their posts in a pathetically self-referential attempt to be amusing. OFBs for Obama Fan Boys (haha, join forces with Dowd, you contemptible goons, in mocking Obama & his followers as effete boys), or WKJM for Whoever Kidnapped Josh Marshall (haha, aren’t you clever, you BFD — big fucking douchebag).
Barf.
Grow up. If your points require a bizarre, insider lingo to comprehend, you’re neither funny nor insightful. You’re just lame.
It’ll be awesome watching their breakdowns when they finally learn some arithmetic & understand that Hillary Just. Cannot. Win. This. Thing.
t4toby said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:36
Sauce for the gander? Isn’t that a bit of a mixed metaphor?
And what do we have to do with the Great Orange Satan?
Smut Clyde said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:36
a latte-swilling creative elitist
At last, some invective I can get behind. Let’s face it — latte is disgusting stuff, and if I had my way it would be served in a trough rather than a cup. Who in their right mind would take a shot of good black espresso and basically use it as a way of flavouring milk? Would you put milk in your beer?
I like my coffee the way I like my women… held in a shaking hand, and ending up down the front of my trousers half the time…
tigrismus said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:36
Ah Welsh Person, there are at least 18 million ways we could do it, all of which would be better than what we actually do, which we won’t change one iota. We reel dum.
Susan of Texas said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:39
J–it’s like Television Without Pity decided to cover the election.
PeeJ said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:39
How could I have forgotten about these pastries? At 3 a.m. you can find penis and pastry combinations undreamt of in your cuisine.
Doodle Bean said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:40
…the only thing to look forward to is watching the marauding hordes chase down Jonah Goldberg and roast him on a spit.
All right. First I get called a “pinko commie”. Then I get called an “intellectual”. Then I get called a “dirty fucking hippy”. Then I get called an “elitist”. Then I am called part of the “creative class”. Now I’m part of the “marauding hordes”?!?!
Enough!
And Blue Buddha, thanks for that informative link. Inquiring minds always want to know — sometimes to their vast regret… And the answer to your first question comes to us from basic Physics: Yes.
Oh, and Stryx? You deserve a special award from carrying over a small but crucial part of a previous thread into this one. Well done!
tigrismus said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:40
Smut, you wound me, for I love lattes. For breakfast. On a terrace in Sardinia.
Jeff said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:41
Brad,
There is nothing at all in the comment you link to that comes close to claiming it is your opposition to Hillary’s gas tax plan which means you aren’t acknowledging there are poor people in America. The comment clearly states that in the previous post and some of its comments, people were dismissing the idea that $30 would help some people. It is that dismissal that the commenter is hitting on. Stopping the stupid bullshit should include misrepresenting what others have written, shouldn’t it?
t4toby said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:42
I wish Voodoo Donuts would make the 2.5 hour drive north and establish an outpost in Sea-Town.
The Erotic Bakery is funny, but not very practical at 3 am.
FlipYrWhig said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:44
I always enjoy the Lieberman dis against Hillary. Where the f&ck did that come from in the first place? Do Lieberman and Hillary work together more often than Lieberman and Obama? I don’t think so.
Incidentally, what was the last new thing Obama introduced into the narrative of this election season? He’s reminding me of Bart Simpson as the “I didn’t do it” kid.
The Truth said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:45
Brad,
I feel sorry for you. You want the eventual Democratic nominee to win so badly, but it isn’t going to happen. The real source of your angst is that you know this to be true.
Clinton has lost the primary; you are stuck with a nominee who belongs to an openly racist church and who has an openly racist spouse. You are going down to massive defeat.
It will be a lot of fun to watch the effect this has on the pathetic liberal blogging community. Glenn Greenwald will be going ballistic, you folks will be raging through your tears, and the main idea you will all be expressing is “All Americans who voted Republican are stupid and or evil!” - which says a lot about you and which belief, of course, goes a long way in explaining why the Democrats will lose.
mikey said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:45
<i<…I love lattes. For breakfast. On a terrace in Sardinia.
Now THAT is a fascinating coincidence.
See, I love Sardines. For Breakfast. On a terrace in Lapland…
mikey
PeeJ said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:46
Also just to make the connection, there’s this from Voodoo Donut
And they say Portland is weird. I just don’t get it.
t4toby said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:46
Obama is too busy deflecting nonsensical ‘controversies’ to do much of anything…
Between the Media, McCain, and Billary, Obama is constantly on the defensive.
Oh, and Obammunism. LOLzers.
t4toby said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:48
Oh, look. A Truther.
Quaint.
tigrismus said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:48
I love Sardines. For Breakfast. On a terrace in Lapland…
Elitist.
FlipYrWhig said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:51
Yes, one thing that distinguishes Sadly, No! is its deliberate eschewal of inside jokes. It’s time never for bizarre lingo global, right, Giant Sammich roasting on an overturned grill with a side of bacon and play-doh?
Smut Clyde said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:51
I love ganders. With sauce. In my secret volcano headquarters.
atheist said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:51
I don’t think Susan of Texas was calling us marauding hordes, Doodle Bean.
I think she was pointing out that, if Bush attacked Iran, and if that war went south (as it almost assuredly would), there might be a lot of really bitter people angry at the biggest cheerleaders for said war.
Of course, maybe the public would just go nuts attack some random person.
FlipYrWhig said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:52
mikey, I would have gone with “Latvia.”
PeeJ said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:54
t4 - they been talking about spawning but it seems it’s just talk so far.
I’ll let them know they have fans in Seattle.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:55
Brad, There is nothing at all in the comment you link to that comes close to claiming it is your opposition to Hillary’s gas tax plan which means you aren’t acknowledging there are poor people in America.
Bullshit. This comes awfully close.
LA Confidential Pantload said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:55
I don’t swill fucking latte, I swill Captain Morgan, asshole.
And I just don’t see either contestant being championed here making it to the White House - come January ‘09, Poopdeck Pappy will be crowned President Poopdeck, after which he will announce the nuking of Iran and offer fuckbum to the assembled Washington press corps, who will tear one another to pieces to be first in line.
Meanwhile, the Democrats will join hands to form a human chain across the nation, and will cry out as one: “THANKSRALPH!”
Susan of Texas said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:56
I was just really, really hoping that one day I’d see Jonah on a spit. A girl can dream, right? If you are going to be one of the marauding hordes Doodle Bean, I’ll be right beside you.
Lighting a match.
mikey said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:57
mikey, I would have gone with “Latvia.”
Dammit!!
mikey
Andyjunction said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:57
This is my favorite part from the post by “vastleft” over at Correntewire…
“Hillary’s proposal is brilliant. Frankly, I thought she was just pandering, too, when I heard she had a gas-tax holiday proposal. And then I saw her get Bill O’Reilly to start nodding about the idea of making the robber barons start paying their fair share.”
Well, if Bill O’Reilly thinks it’s a good idea then it must be!
tigrismus said,
May 7, 2008 at 0:59
As long as it’s not secret sauce, Smut. That would be elitist.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:00
Last I checked, Obama had successfully introduced something new into the election narrative: young voters.
You’d think that would be a good thing, if you were a Democrat.
Doodle Bean said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:03
…but plenty of people saying that are really just making excuses.
Yeah, tell my orthopedic surgeon that I’m really just making excuses! Bicycle riding truly is not an option for everybody.
What is an option for everybody is for them to find alternatives to driving an inefficient vehicle to work — including bicycles, scooters or motorcycles (if they are willing to accept the risk), public transportation, telecommuting, car pooling, van pooling, moving closer to work, more efficient vehicles, etc.
And have public policies which encourage an end to the energy waste, whether it’s tax credits for efficient work vehicles, increased funding for public transportation, zoning changes to encourage living areas closer to industrial/office areas, credits to employers who allow telecommuting and so on.
For me, driving to work is by far the quickest and easiest way to get there. Yet I take public transportation because that is a feasible alternative for me (i.e. it takes 45 minutes instead of 30 minutes, but it’s cheaper (because my employer subsidizes my monthly T pass), more relaxing (because I can meditate, draw, read, listen to music or - if I’m in the mood - pick on the fundies in the first car!), much better for the environment and much better for me (I have two mile-long walks built into my commute)).
Not everybody is so lucky, though, so count your blessings, Doctor — if that is your real name, that is!!!
dim-witted badger said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:05
i love pelicans, for breakfast, in a burrow.
that’s about the only way i love pelicans.
fucking pelicans.
atheist said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:06
Atheist is actually my real name. Atheist X. Jones at your service.
atheist said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:06
Well not really.
FlipYrWhig said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:09
Last I checked, Obama had successfully introduced something new into the election narrative: young voters.
Fair enough. But doesn’t it seem like he’s been in neutral for a long time? He needs to shake things up somehow. New proposal, new theme, something. Maybe tonight.
PeeJ said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:09
em>What is an option for everybody is for them to find alternatives to driving an inefficient vehicle to work — including bicycles, scooters or motorcycles (if they are willing to accept the risk), public transportation, telecommuting, car pooling, van pooling, moving closer to work, more efficient vehicles, etc.
Doodle, you have such an elitist big city viewpoint. In the heartland, public transportation is called hitch-hiking. Moving closer to work means finding a trailer in the same county as your job which happens to be in different counties every .couple years because the plants keep closing down. It’s hard to carry your 300 pound tool chest on a bicycle or scooter. It’s tough for a machinist to telecommute.
und so weiter……
Tehanu said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:10
mikey, I usually agree with you but not about Mr. Conservatives Are Plague Cockroaches. I’d like him banned right now because I’m getting really sick and tired of him and his bigotry, ignorance, insults, and gloating. And talk about projection! If he’s not a cowering closeteer, I’ll eat my hat.
PeeJ said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:12
Dang! Seeing as how I forgot to close that tag it’s a damn good thing I screwed it up in the first place.
Clinton is reportedly eyeing Wordpress as a running mate.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:13
I must know more about fucking pelicans. This is the internet.
Jeff said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:13
Righteous Bubba,
I call bullshit on your bullshit.
Be specific, what in the quote you pulled says it was the opposition to Hillary’s gas tax plan that was the cause. It was, as stated, the dismissal that people would be helped by $30. The opposition to the tax cut isn’t mentioned at all.
g said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:14
He needs to shake things up somehow. New proposal, new theme, something.
Yes, shouldn’t he be like Hillary and introduce the shots-and-a-beer for all theme?
Hoosier X said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:15
The worst thing that could happen to Jonah Goldberg is that he has to keep on doing what he is doing.
It’s also the worst thing that could happen to the conservative movement.
So let’s not have anymore of this talk of rising against him. His continued wallowing in his pathetic mediocre ignorance is punishment enough.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:15
It was, as stated, the dismissal that people would be helped by $30.
Attention Jeff: that’s the bullshit number pulled out of the asses of the tax holiday planners. It’s not a mystical $30 unrelated to anything else.
dim-witted badger said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:16
That’s just low.
Teh Great Gazoogle said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:17
I must know more about fucking pelicans.
Results 1 - 10 of about 61 for “pelican porn”
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:18
I’ve heard that Wordpress will only accept if granted Cheney-like powers.
bladule said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:18
Hi, I’m french and here we have 70+% of taxes on oil. And this is a pretty good thing because variations of crude oil’s prices are pretty much painless (because of the very high taxes). Every once in a while, we make those taxes float in order to make oil price’s variation even more painless (I think it happened once or twice). Of course I don’t use my car that much since we have a pretty good public transport system and cheap bikes at our disposal. I mean just by going shopping, I both save on gas spending and burn enough calories so that I don’t have to go in some expansive gym facility.
Ok, I may be prejudiced against you american guys, but with such silly debates you’ll end up electing McCain, and the whole world will suffer from that for another 8 years. Seriously, it sucks.
atheist said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:19
But doesn’t it seem like he’s been in neutral for a long time? He needs to shake things up somehow. New proposal, new theme, something. Maybe tonight.
No. It does not seem that way to me. Obama looks to me like a guy who is laser-focussed on what realistically needs to be his #1 goal- getting out his vote in the maximal possible way in the remaining states so that he can capture the nomination of the Democratic party. Personally, I feel like I already know as much as I need to about Obama, and most media issues that could be generated now would not change my mind about him in the slightest. I would imagine that most of the remaining voters in this primary feel like that- they have either chosen a candidate, or they are the kind that decides in the voting booth. I would personally say that political contest between Obama and Clinton has reached a stage where all the strategy has already happened, and we are just waiting to see the results of the strategy.
mikey said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:19
The fundamental dishonesty in all this “elitest vs. man o’the people” kind of argument is that it presupposes (and people seem to accept it) that you have to actually BE something in order to UNDERSTAND it.
We know from our daily lives that this isn’t true. We can understand the challenges of the night shift without working the night shift. We can understand how hard it is to work two jobs without actually working two jobs. We can understand the fear inherent in living paycheck to paycheck even if we have a bank account.
A president does not have to be poor to work to address the problems of the poor. He does not have to be sick to work to address health care. He does not have to lose his house to foreclosure in order to understand the devastation that can result.
I can understand that the republicans, with the dishonesty inherent in their social positions, would use these kind of blatantly fraudulent personal attacks in their internecine election battles, but I am genuinely surprised that the democrats are willing to set aside their basic and fundamental agreements to drive the most disingenuous and mendacious narratives.
A president who cares about improving the lot of the working poor will develop plans and solutions to do so. A president who cares about feeding corporations will do that. George (I’d like to have a beer with that fella) bush has not been a “man of the people”, hillary clinton is part of the nation’s long term ruling elite, obama is a united states senator, it’s complete idiocy and yet such a huge fraction of the populace has decided to participate in this mass delusion.
If somebody would pull back the curtain and point out that the wizard is naked, we could move on…
mikey
Doodle Bean said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:20
Atheist X. Jones at your service
Does the X stand for Xavier?
Oregon Guy said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:20
I love lap dances. During lunch. In a dark room in Mapunapuna.
LA Confidential Pantload said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:21
bladule,
Naw, we won’t have him for 8 years. Two years tops, and all he’ll be fit for is foraging in dumpsters and trying to remember his name. Then we get 2 years of VP Huckabee, and then - assuming there’s any “then” left - who knows?
The Truth said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:22
Bladule,
Welcome, French person! Your post was a delight.
“Ok, I may be prejudiced against you american guys” - what, a European expressing anti-Americanism?!! Don’t worry, froggie, the liberals here will agree with you - they hate their fellow Americans.
“but with such silly debates you’ll end up electing McCain” - we are definitely going to elect McCain, though not because of silly debates amongst Democrats.
“and the whole world will suffer from that for another 8 years. Seriously, it sucks.” - sorry to disappoint you, froggie. Although I must thank you for reminding me that we will get to enjoy the anguish of millions of Europeans when McCain is elected, in addition to the tearful rage of liberals here at home.
Doodle Bean said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:24
Doodle, you have such an elitist big city viewpoint.
Peej, see my post at 0:40!
And I know it’s tough for many people. That was my point. Guess it didn’t come through or you are being sarcastic and I’m missing it.
Did I tell you about my recent dental surgery and how pain killers mess up your brain?
Smut Clyde said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:24
A nakkid wizard behind a curtain? No way would we move on.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:25
And so spoke another ambassador of good will and understanding from the rethuglican party.
atheist said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:26
Ok, I may be prejudiced against you american guys, but with such silly debates you’ll end up electing McCain, and the whole world will suffer from that for another 8 years. Seriously, it sucks.
We don’t enjoy it much either. I heartily agree that it sucks. I am perfectly willing to wait and see who wins the Democratic nomination, at this point. But it seems like a bunch of people would rather stir up the shit.
This is quite stupid. What can I say?
Doodle Bean said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:27
A nakkid wizard behind a curtain? No way would we move on.
Depends if he’s good looking or not!
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May 7, 2008 at 1:30
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Righteous Bubba said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:31
If the wizard is fucking pelicans I will click whatever can be clicked.
Lawnguylander said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:32
I’m with the economists who showed it worked, in practice.
Elitist. I bet you’re creative too.
You’d think that would be a good thing, if you were a Democrat.
Silly if teh, don’t you know that all those youngsters are just a bunch of cultists riding a wave of hope, that when you ask them why they support Obama you just get blank stares? What, you think maybe they were fucking paying attention the past 8 years or something and that explains their overwhelming rejection of the GOP? If you thought something like that then you might come to the conclusion that they’re also smart enough to reject a senator that voted for that war they hate so much. The kids in America these days are just not very Sensible. Who wants dummies like that involved in the process?
Snorghagen said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:34
It all sounds good to me. I’d love to be part of a hippy commie creative intellectual marauding horde. Think of the fear we’d inspire as we swarmed through the urban ruins, sipping our lattes by the glow of burning office complexes.
Doodle Bean said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:36
…I will click whatever can be clicked.
Is that what they are calling it now?
atheist said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:38
It would be pretty fucking awesome, I must admit.
bladule said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:39
The truth,
I’m really pleased to know that my post was a delightful reading. I’m astounded that you find it pleasing that million of europeans could be enraged by the election of senator McCain. If you think Europe is a big libetal continent, our leaders should prove otherwise (seriously Sarkozy — he is as low in the polls after one year as GWB after 6, though– Berlusconi… Seriously). As for the froggie thing, I think it’s a cute nickname, it beats cheese eating surrender monkey on the cuteness scale.
LA Confidential, ok, even if he’s in office for two years, how much damage will he be able to do on the international scene (which is my main concern). I mean, GWB paved the way for the implementation of Kagan’s silly power over weakness theory. The disregard of your current executive for the constitution even shows it permeated your internal doctrine. Even with a couple of year, McCaiin could annihilate several hundreds years of International Law construction.
Doodle Bean said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:42
It would be pretty fucking awesome, I must admit.
O.K. But I really hate the smell of patchouli…
Who’s got the stake and where does Jonah live again?
And, most importantly, can we car pool there?
justme said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:42
Is that wizard circumcised?
<ducks>
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:42
LA wasn’t underestimating the impact of two years of McCain, bladule.
Hence the “Then we get 2 years of VP Huckabee, and then - assuming there’s any “then” left…”
LA Confidential Pantload said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:44
bladule,
Damage? Well, besides attacking Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Venezuela, China, and Russia, I don’t think he’d get into too much trouble.
Righteous Bubba said,
May 7, 2008 at 1:45
how much damage will he be able to do on the international scene
All the damage. No, that’s not fair. Most of the damage.