Apr
17

How Could That Possibly Be True?




Posted at 8:22 by Tintin

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ABOVE: Jonah Goldberg, Mark Hemingway and Stephen Spruiell

The Lollipop Guild at America’s Shittiest Website™ is confused and can’t figure out what to do about it.

Jonah Goldberg:

Hillary said that students are being victimized by “predatory” student loans that charge 28% interest rates. I’m really quite serious: Is that true?

Mark Hemingway:

I heard Hillary quote that same absurd interest rate for student loans at a rally earlier this year, and I had the same reaction. I don’t even know how it’s possible to get student loans with rates that high.

Stephen Spruiell:

Tonight, Hillary Clinton said, “That’s why I’m in favor of much more college aid, not these outrageous predatory student loan rates that are charging people I’ve met across Pennsylvania, 20, 25, 28 percent interest rates.” Jonah and Mark H. (and I) wondered how that could possibly be true.

If only there were some way to figure this out, say some way this could be researched on the Internet.

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[Zeerp] “Hello, dum-dums.”

Why, hello, Great Gazoogle! Do you have something for us?

Sallie Mae: A hot stock, a tough lender

The giant of the student loan industry is the Student Loan Marketing Association, better known by its friendly-sounding nickname, Sallie Mae. Many people think that Sallie Mae, like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is sponsored by the U.S. government. And until recently it was. But at the end of 2004, Sallie became an independent, publicly traded company, completing a process begun in 1996.

It is now radically different than it was even five years ago — an aggressive, highly profitable lender and a stock market superstar. …

“Sallie advocates policies we believe are frequently contrary to the interest of students,” says Luke Swarthout, a higher-education advisor to the U.S. Public Interest Research Groups. He charges that Sallie used its political clout to shape new legislation that will increase the cost of student loans.

Ira Rheingold, executive director of the National Association of Consumer Advocates, decries Sallie’s growing presence in the ugly business of collecting on defaulted debt. Pennsylvania state representative Doug Reichley alleges that Sallie is engaging in “predatory lending.”

Indeed, Sallie uses high interest rates and fees to charge students as much as 28 percent annual interest on loans. As a result, some have seen their school-loan debt balloon into six-figure delinquencies that they can’t hope to pay when the collection agency (which nowadays may be owned by Sallie) comes calling.

When you’re living on wingnut welfare it’s really hard to imagine how the other half lives, I suppose.

204 Comments »

  1. Doctorb Science said,

    April 17, 2008 at 8:42

    Quite possibly these geniuses have never connected “fees” with “money that real people might have to pay”.

  2. NobodySpecial said,

    April 17, 2008 at 8:47

    They’re still trying to comprehend how many Cheetos bags that is.

  3. Tim (The Other One) said,

    April 17, 2008 at 8:51

    That’s the most fit Jonah’s ever gonna look.

  4. comsympinko said,

    April 17, 2008 at 8:54

    Dirty fucking idiots.

    I pay $1200 a month for the medical education I worked ridiculously hard to complete and will continue to do so for the next five years.

    At least I can earn my way out of bankruptcy.

    As for the Ph.D. level scientists and liberal arts scholars that form the bedrock of the American system of physical construction, social progression and higher education…

    …engineers, chemists, biologists, historians, linguists, sociologists…

    …I shudder to think of the financial burden on the shoulders of these intellectual giants.

    I shudder to think of the colossal financial burden undertaken.

    Fuck these wingnut welfare cases.

    Trust fund legacies all. Splitters.

  5. cokane said,

    April 17, 2008 at 9:02

    why is it wingnuts, even when they’re kind of young, behave like old people who just discovered the internet?

    why are there people given “journalism” jobs who have no innate curiosity about the world outside?

  6. Hoosier X said,

    April 17, 2008 at 9:05

    Jonah and the Cheeto Guild deserve all the derision and ridicule we can muster …

    BUT …

    Did you really have to do that to Harry Earles?

  7. jim said,

    April 17, 2008 at 9:22

    Aha! That pic HAS to be shopped – REAL Munchkins would never be that blatantly ignorant in public!
    These buffoons wouldn’t even know that their puny dicks were attached at one end unless their heroes at FOX NEWS did a 6-part EXCLUSIVE to tell them so. Do they even comprehend their own depths of catastrophic FAIL?

    Sadly, FUCK no!

  8. Hoosier X said,

    April 17, 2008 at 9:28

    Hey. Conservative assholes.

    You called Hillary a liar and it turned out she wasn’t.

    So … how about an apology? (Just this once. I know I can’t expect you lazy tubs of lard to apologize for ALL the times you were wrong.)

  9. dmgroves said,

    April 17, 2008 at 9:29

    Uh I hate to be off-topic and all, but where’s the love for Roy Edroso’s new piece in the Village Voice? The grief and various smug dismissals that have resulted from its publication alone are worth the read. Additionally, y’know, he’s a good writer, and there’s some groovy doughbob-bashing.

  10. LD said,

    April 17, 2008 at 9:40

    Damn, that is some serious ignorance, and lack of search skills.

    Seriously, these guys couldn’t find porn on the internet if they tried.

    How the hell do they manage to get to internet at all, much less post on website?

  11. Mike, in teh H.....Shoulderland said,

    April 17, 2008 at 9:52

    How the hell do they manage to get to internet at all, much less post on website?

    Sugarplum fairies? (OK …actually,… hired some MexiCANs)

    Meanwhile, back at the ASW™ ranch,

    Shorter KJL :

    “Senate sources tell me Barbara Boxer is the holdup on the Casey-supported resolution because of life language. Give it up. It’s the pope. He said God bless America. Or let’s have this fight, Boxer. You really want to oppose the pope?”

    Imagine if some (OMG!) Catholic candidate said that? It’d be full-metal knicker-twist time.

  12. Prospero said,

    April 17, 2008 at 10:33

    But… but, it’s democrats who are out of touch with common folks!

  13. Gundamhead said,

    April 17, 2008 at 12:49

    I’m sure that this is all central to their point. The invisible hand helps the common folks achieve the American dream once again!

    Hey, what happened to Hemingway’s diaper?

  14. LittlePig said,

    April 17, 2008 at 13:19

    Hey, what happened to Hemingway’s diaper?

    He lost it. Outside. In the rain.

    This will be central to his point in his new opus, A Farewell To Cheetos.

  15. Derelict said,

    April 17, 2008 at 13:24

    Truly amazing how these clodpates can wonder, wonder, wonder if Hillary’s statement is true (and Jonah’s being serious!!!11! when he asks about it) and yet never manage to make the effort to type 12 additional characters into Google to find out.

    Then again, I get the impression that “research” for most of these halfwits consists entirely of watching Star Trek reruns and yelling, “Ma, do you know what current student loan interest rates are? No? Okay, never mind.”

  16. His Grace said,

    April 17, 2008 at 13:32

    Look, my sister-in-law bought furniture with one of those “don’t pay for one full year” promotions. Her interest rate (had she not paid on time) would have been above 30%. Heck credit card rates are usually 19.95%… Even if one is completely incompetent with the great gazoogle, one wonders how one can go through life so completely insulated from the realities of the real world. Let me guess, all three of them have called Barack Obama “elitist.” Oh wait, maybe I should gazoogle it…

  17. Arky H8r of VürdPress said,

    April 17, 2008 at 14:02

    I see this as progress.

    A few years ago the mental munchkins would have screamed “ZOMG THAT’S A DIRTY LIE! And anyway if it IS true only stupid students who can’t get scholarships (translation: Affirmative Action types who don’t belong in college) would be DUMB ENOUGH TO GET SUCH A LOAN!”

    But today they’re being more cautious. They know damn well there are loans like that out there but the Brown Squirt Manual requires them to play Doubt the Democrat. So they scratch their little heads and pretend to be sooo cornfused. And anyone dumb enough to read and believe ClownHall will think “Well gorsh, if those smarty pantses don’t know for sure, it must be true!”

    That’s all right. In a few months we’ll have a real President and they’ll have plenty to foam about. For example, the coming Mt. Dew & Cheeto shortage caused by the fake President’s More Money for Monsanto program, otherwise known as Let’s Try Ethanol Again!

  18. Arky H8r of VürdPress said,

    April 17, 2008 at 14:04

    Crap, that should be “it must be a lie!”

    I blame VürdPress.

    Plus, Pope Palpatine is disturbing The Force in my neck of the woods.

  19. FGFM said,

    April 17, 2008 at 14:18

    Unfortunately, Chase and Bank of America (along with many others) do the same thing. And I’ve seen payday loans as bad as 720%!

  20. (Lex) It's All In My Head (Azagthoth) said,

    April 17, 2008 at 14:30

    In related news, I have got to get that link to NR Print to work. Yowsers. Steyn on Michelle Obama is too much, but Byron York really puts a fine finish on things. Someone just buy it if NR won’t comply with my supposed right to view it online and I’ll just pay it in the tip jar.

    Ugh this makes me sick. I have no student loans because my Dad had money. My husband, OTOH, has had to work his way through everything since he was 15. I was eligible for every scholarship under the sun due to not being Whitey, while my husband being Whitey from the working class (well, artists, but still like they’d be rich?) was eligible for NADA. Especially in Anthropology, where there’s a Doctorate Scolarship by ethnicity that carefully lists every ethnicity available for the $$$. Basically the list exists to say ANYONE BUT WHITE FOLKS. It just really pissed me off, since it was based on race and not need. Lots of farm kids and small town white kids out here not eligible at all for these things. Just Pell Grants. And they’d rather die than go back to Wichita or Topeka or whatever 50 person town they’re from, so they end up in horrible debt and now that’s treated like a game.

    And they are all beholden to Sallie Mae (he won’t take my family’s money to pay it off, wants to do it himself, which is one of the reasons I married him), which I didn’t realize was now public. Bastardos!

  21. Davis said,

    April 17, 2008 at 15:15

    Hemingway went on to joke that they can’t be business majors. In other words, it’s their fault, they’re ignorant. Asshole. Low income people routinely pay those rates.

    Interesting that Sallie Mae raised rates when it was essentially privatized.

  22. pedestrian said,

    April 17, 2008 at 15:34

    No, no, It can’t be right because

    THE INVISIBLE HAND OF THE MARKET!!!

  23. Cangrejero said,

    April 17, 2008 at 15:37

    It’s also not uncommon for Sallie Mae to purchase the loans of smaller lenders. A student could get a loan with one lender and in reality owe the money to Sallie Mae.

    One of the few good things about living in this red state (NC) is the relative cheapness of college tuition here. I wonder if that has anything to do with the dominance of Democrats at the local government levels?

  24. g said,

    April 17, 2008 at 15:49

    Seriously, these guys couldn’t find porn on the internet if they tried.

    Coffee on keyboard time.

  25. SeanH said,

    April 17, 2008 at 16:09

    Whoa. Seriously? 28 freaking percent?

    I hate to be one of those European internet guys who keeps talking on American websites about the Glories of Socialist Europe, but here, there’s one student loans company (a public body of the UK government) which gives out loans whose interest rate is the rate of inflation, and which need only be paid back once the person in question is earning over £15K per annum.

    Let’s hear it for capitalism, eh?

  26. SeanH said,

    April 17, 2008 at 16:10

    clarification to above post: there is, as far as I am aware, ONLY one student loans company.

  27. cur said,

    April 17, 2008 at 16:16

    The “internet?” Is that the one with the e-mail?

  28. mat said,

    April 17, 2008 at 16:19

    Sophistry means never having to say you have a grasp of the facts.

  29. Howler Monkey said,

    April 17, 2008 at 16:25

    It is now radically different than it was even five years ago — an aggressive, highly profitable lender and a stock market superstar. …

    But of course Petrushka! The private sector capitalists are far better at fleecing the sheep than a bumbling, guvmint-assisted program. Far better to serve the neocon state. Besides, the needledick wingnuttians pictured above will NEVER know that gnawing anxiety hovering over every Student Loan recipient who has to pay the thing off. That is if they can even find a decent job in BushCo’s Brave, Sh*tty New World. Many middle-class students may well decide to postpone entry into college until sanity returns to this country or abandon hope of higher education altogether.

    The added bonus here is fewer unsightly and undeserving middle class students cluttering up campuses across the country. Ultimately, fewer graduates competing for a diminishing number of good jobs that should rightly go to deserving, conservative rich kids. /snark off

    I truly despise how far we have fallen as a nation

  30. unrelatedwaffle said,

    April 17, 2008 at 16:38

    I’m a current college senior who just went through the exercise-in-blindness-bullshit that is loan exit counseling. The interest rates (even for federal loans) fluctuate every year and you’re at the Man’s complete mercy, so to speak. And if you miss a single payment, you can kiss your sorry ass goodbye. The bank reserves the right to charge you whatever the fuck it wants, change your billing dates, “forget” to send you bills, and whatever fuck-all dirty tricks they can think of to shake you upside down for change.

    I dread graduate school.

  31. Blue Buddha said,

    April 17, 2008 at 16:42

    Every state in the US has laws to make it illegal to give out loans above 18%… except for two states: South Dakota and Delaware. Now you know why every bank in the country is chartered in either SD or DE.

  32. pedestrian said,

    April 17, 2008 at 16:52

    Now you know why every bank in the country is chartered in either SD or DE.

    And also why “liberal” Joe Biden was such a strong supporter of the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (also known as the Fuck the Poor Act.)

  33. Gerald Curl said,

    April 17, 2008 at 17:02

    I love that The Corner is currently linking to this S,N! piece (instead of the CNN article). Of course they dismiss the 28% number and quote some guy defending the student loan scandals. You see, when loan companies give money under the table to the universities, it’s just like when you get a free hot dog at a car dealership (no, he really said that).

  34. Sagra said,

    April 17, 2008 at 17:12

    Ugh this makes me sick. I have no student loans because my Dad had money. My husband, OTOH, has had to work his way through everything since he was 15. I was eligible for every scholarship under the sun due to not being Whitey, while my husband being Whitey from the working class (well, artists, but still like they’d be rich?) was eligible for NADA.

    Interestingly enough, if you’re a member of the NAACP, your kids are eligible for their scholarship programs. They don’t ask you anything about your race on either the membership or scholarship forms.

  35. Ralph Nader said,

    April 17, 2008 at 17:21

    Hey, don’t knock people eligible for wingnut welfare!

    - Ralph, member of the club since 1999

  36. sohei said,

    April 17, 2008 at 17:25

    Not to mention, any loan that can be characterized as a “student loan” enjoys all sorts of legal goodies courtesy of the federal government that make it easier for lenders to garnish your wages and get judgments against you if you don’t pay. Also, it is virtually impossible to discharge student loans in bankruptcy, whereas you can typically expect to pay only a few cents on the dollar for every other unsecured loan (e.g., credit card) that you have. In short, you can never get out from under them, unless you are insane, disabled, and living in a cardboard box… maybe. Any one who “co-signs” one is in the same boat.

  37. Blue Buddha said,

    April 17, 2008 at 17:34

    #

    Gerald Curl said,

    April 17, 2008 at 17:02

    I love that The Corner is currently linking to this S,N! piece (instead of the CNN article). Of course they dismiss the 28% number and quote some guy defending the student loan scandals. You see, when loan companies give money under the table to the universities, it’s just like when you get a free hot dog at a car dealership (no, he really said that).

    Wow. Worst. Analogy. Ever. Universities don’t buy student loans from banks, students do.

  38. F'in Librul said,

    April 17, 2008 at 17:39

    It has nothing to do with these guys not being able to look shit up; they’re simply sending out the latest wingnut talking pont in code. It goes like this:

    Nut: Gosh, is this (thing a Democrat said) really true?
    Nut readers: “Man, ahm-a-gonna figger it out!”

    Nut readers send out e-mails with answers to the nut’s question with “facts” sourced from anecdotal sources, other wingnuts, and their own personal experience, which includes the fact that they only paid 12.5% APR on their computer from Best Buy, and that’s just like a college education, so Hillary can’t be right.

    Is it accurate? Sadly, No. Do some idiots believe it? Yup.

  39. DrDick said,

    April 17, 2008 at 18:01

    “When you’re living on wingnut welfare it’s really hard to imagine how the other half lives, I suppose.”

    Actually the problem is that their imaginative skills are equal to their research skills.

    I was fortunate enough to finish school before the “Reagan Reforms” took over. I am old enough to remember when student loans were discounted by 40-50% over conventional loans and subsidized by the government. Of course back then their purpose was to encourage and enable poor and working class kids to get a college education.

  40. Hysterical Woman said,

    April 17, 2008 at 18:25

    Damn, I’m fucked. Why….I feel bitter.

  41. t4toby said,

    April 17, 2008 at 18:31

    That pic is hilarious.

    Those guys are killing comedy. You can’t make stuff like that up.

    They’re sucking up all the good material by just existing.

  42. User Loser said,

    April 17, 2008 at 18:44

    Just Shoot them.

  43. MileHi Hawkeye said,

    April 17, 2008 at 19:02

    Students subjected to usery? That’s unpossible!

    Next they’ll be telling us that pay-day loans are a bad thing.

  44. Candy said,

    April 17, 2008 at 19:03

    Just Shoot WordPress. Shoot it now.

    I wrote an amazing comment – deathless prose I tells you! – and forgot to copy the damned thing. That bastard Word Press murdered it at birth.

    (Shakes fist and wanders away muttering.)

  45. (Lex) It's All In My Head (Azagthoth) said,

    April 17, 2008 at 19:12

    2nd try is the charm…

    True. I started telling everyone to apply for the “Hispanic” scholarships available if they were poor. It’s not like they check. Damn, my parents got pissed when I turned it down. I understand their point now I guess, but I wasn’t willing to be a hypocrite then.

    It was funny a few years later when they started asking my blonde brother if he wanted to write about his experiences as a “person of color” in college….ROFLMAO!!

  46. Southern Beale said,

    April 17, 2008 at 19:22

    I started telling everyone to apply for the “Hispanic” scholarships available if they were poor.

    My white, Mormon cousin-by-marriage somehow became head of the Charlotte chapter of the Student NAACP … and boy did he got offers for scholarships from far and wide! Everyone assumed he was African American.

  47. Keifus said,

    April 17, 2008 at 19:30

    Not everyone can be business majors.

    No, I imagine many of them are too smart.

    If there’s a blessing about the academic research culture, is that engineers and scientists can usually get a stipend, or at least get their tuition comped in exchange for the glorious service of being a TA, or if you’re lucky, with a research grant. Of course, the earning potential isn’t exactly through the roof once you get out.

  48. Bitter Scribe, an accomplished, well-rounded writer, said,

    April 17, 2008 at 19:35

    Notice how these guys all phrased their attacks as “queries”:

    Is that true?

    I don’t even know how it’s possible…

    How could that possibly be true?

    The “query” is a great way to make assertions without, you know, having to, you know, actually research or support them.

    Speaking of Goldberg, his column this morning compares Obama to “self-hating yuppies” like the Michael J. Fox character in “Family Ties.” It apparently escaped his notice that the Fox character was an extreme right-wing conservative.

  49. Doctorb Science said,

    April 17, 2008 at 19:38

    “Hemingway went on to joke that they can’t be business majors. In other words, it’s their fault, they’re ignorant. Asshole. Low income people routinely pay those rates.”

    That’s a pretty assholish thing to say, certainly. Do you think there was even the consideration that even if you’re a super-smart business major you take out a student loan before you learn jack shit about business? I mean, you’d think those poor schlubs would get more sympathy, because with their undergrad business degrees they have a good understanding of how badly screwed they just got.

    Also, a kid I knew in high school went to Harvard on some sort of “Hispanic” scholarship, which I thought was odd because he was a pale redheaded guy whose ancestry was entirely Spanish. I mean, in one sense you can’t be more Hispanic than a Spaniard, but I don’t think that was the point.

  50. yank in london said,

    April 17, 2008 at 19:48

    How did you manage to make them look better than they do in real life? Modern technology is amazing, innit?

  51. Spiders Everywhere said,

    April 17, 2008 at 20:16

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.”

    Imagine what it’s like when your job depends on not understanding anything.

  52. PeeJ said,

    April 17, 2008 at 20:26

    Oh Clif you silly thing you. They know full well they could look it up somehow using the global network of computers. But then they’d lose it as an attack point. They know damn well when to cite data and when to merely smear. Which explains why they mostly smear, there generally being a dearth of facts supporting their asinine opinions.

    I keep waiting for Obama (or someone) to say “The GOP loves to talk about gay marriage but the GOP will never DO anything about gay marriage because they’d lose their wedge issue.” Or similar.

    How WordPress fits the dynamic isn’t yet clear to me but I’m working on it.

  53. zeppo said,

    April 17, 2008 at 20:53

    The obvious answer to this conundrum is that no one, ever, should go to college. It’s a waste of time, anyway…. You might pick up some tips on bowling, however.

  54. User Loser said,

    April 17, 2008 at 20:54

    Socratic Method I think it’s known as.

  55. zeppo said,

    April 17, 2008 at 20:56

    Barkeep! Round of cookies for everyone! It’s on me!

    Make mine Macadamia Nut with white chocolate chips.

  56. Thursday said,

    April 17, 2008 at 21:01

    Not everyone can be business majors.

    Hey, isn’t someone important the first president with an MBA so some such? Gee, he must know what he’s doing!

    Wonder if the Mighty Mighty Munchkinteers are going to notice the changed bankruptcy laws, or credit card rates, or any such.

    Perhaps Lucianne pays all their bills, so they don’t dirty themselves by touching money…?

  57. Gary Ruppert said,

    April 17, 2008 at 21:07

    The fact is, whoisthisdoingthissynthetictypeofalphabetapsychedelicfunkin?

  58. actor212 said,

    April 17, 2008 at 21:11

    28%. That must be what they charge typical white people who pay retail.

  59. Henry Lewis said,

    April 17, 2008 at 21:13

    Is it a broken clock twice a day or a torn-off page from a single-day calendar floating in the gutter once a year?

    I found this over at the Lollipop Guild.

    WordPress shares Dick Cheney’s bunker.

  60. D.N. Nation said,

    April 17, 2008 at 21:17

    Yay! It’s Actor212! Let’s see what’s going on over at Simply Left Behind:

    The debate was clearly structured to try to draw some drama out of the proceedings, to put both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on the hot seats about something and to let people see how they handle the stresses and strains of the campaign trail.

    In that respect, it was a bit of an eye-opener, from nearly all accounts: Hillary Clinton handled herself like a pro, while Barack Obama could barely contain his frustration and contempt.

    Guess maybe he knows now why a typical white person in Pennsylvania might cling to his religion and his guns, huh?

    Oh mercy. You know, a little bit of me used to die every time a HRC supporter mimiced the same sort of nonsense I could see at The Corner or over at ClownHall but now? I don’t know, I guess I’ve grown numb to it.

    You honestly think that POS was a good debate? You honestly think that ignoring every single major issue facing this country in lieu of LOL! GOTCHA! was a good thing?

    When our grandchildren, still paying off the debts of the Iraq war, curses our generation(s), they’ll first start with knobs like David Brooks…but don’t come crying to me from our place beyond the grave when it’s your head next on the philisophical chopping block. Anyone who finds favor in that sickening display of media incompetence last night serves no purpose in advancing democracy.

  61. Henry Lewis said,

    April 17, 2008 at 21:28

    Shorter actor212:

    I call myself a Democrat but I smell like a Republican.

  62. User Loser said,

    April 17, 2008 at 21:34

    I suppose they were incompetent in old fashion sense but under the new work rules… as tools they did just fine

  63. Thursday said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:06

    28%

    So, interest rates are tied to the president’s approval rating? If so, he’s really helping!

  64. Patkin said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:24

    I don’t know, I guess I’ve grown numb to it.

    That means you ran out of parts to die. You’re now a hollow shell and can vote for Hillary. Or McCain, I guess. If that’s where the hollowness takes you.

  65. D.N. Nation said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:26

    Oh, I’m still voting for Obama. When I say I’ve grown numb, I mean I’m no longer disappointed at the Rovian rantings of the HillBots…rather, I’m viewing them as simple(ton) extensions of the GOP.

  66. Jim said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:32

    Guess maybe he knows now why a typical white person in Pennsylvania might cling to his religion and his guns, huh?

    Because they’ve had assholes from network news crawling all over their town for the last six weeks, and they’re fucking tired of it?

  67. Five of Diamonds said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:41

    Low interest rates are fascist.

    (an oldie but a goodie)

  68. Karate Bearfighter said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:44

    Actor212 jerks off to Grant Wood paintings.

  69. pedestrian said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:55

    I honestly thought that the “Obama drinks Orange Juice” scandal was a joke, a widely circulated parody of what the pundit class may as well be saying. Sadly, No!

    SHUSTER: Well, here’s the other thing that we saw on the tape, Chris, is that, when Obama went in, he was offered coffee, and he said, “I’ll have orange juice.”

    MATTHEWS: No.

    SHUSTER: He did.

    And it’s just one of those sort of weird things. You know, when the owner of the diner says, “Here, have some coffee,” you say, “Yes, thank you,” and, “Oh, can I also please have some orange juice, in addition to this?” You don’t just say, “No, I’ll take orange juice,” and then turn away and start shaking hands. That’s what happens [unintelligible] –

    MATTHEWS: You don’t ask for a substitute on the menu.

    SHUSTER: Exactly.

    MATTHEWS: David, what a regular guy. You could do this. Anyway, thank you, David Shuster. I mean, go to the diners.

    I am speechless. I have no speech.

  70. Righteous Bubba said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:57

    Quit picking on Grant Wood. He painted more than one painting and a lot were funny and good.

  71. Righteous Bubba said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:58

    Also, quit picking on orange juice.

  72. Gerald Curl said,

    April 17, 2008 at 22:59

    That must be what they charge typical white people who pay retail.

    They’re called “goyim,” dear.

  73. Righteous Bubba said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:05

    white people who pay retail.

    I honestly read that as “rectal”.

  74. pedestrian said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:09

    Quit picking on Grant Wood. He painted more than one painting and a lot were funny and good.

    If you ask me, his Self Portrait is truer to life and at least 10x as creepy.

  75. commie atheist said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:13

    I’m beginning to think the Weather Underground had the right idea. Too bad they blew themselves up, instead of killing Charles Gibson and George Stephococcus when they were children.

    And fuck you too, WordPress.

  76. Smut Clyde said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:27

    If you ask me, his Self Portrait is truer to life and at least 10x as creepy.
    Grant Wood is a spitting image for <A href=”http://www.christian-schad-museumsfreunde.de/Bildergalerie/bilder008/Selbstbildnis_450.jpgChristian Schad.

  77. Smut Clyde said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:27

    If you ask me, his Self Portrait is truer to life and at least 10x as creepy.
    Grant Wood is a spitting image for <A href=”http://www.christian-schad-museumsfreunde.de/Bildergalerie/bilder008/Selbstbildnis_450.jpgChristian Schad.

  78. Righteous Bubba said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:28

    If you ask me, his Self Portrait is truer to life and at least 10x as creepy.

    Funny!

    I had a friend who was really good at making realistic pictures of people look like wanted posters. Used ‘em on my wedding invitations.

    DEATH!!!:

    http://homepage.mac.com/jsantosa/vitabrevis/wood/images_wd/death_ridge_road.jpg

  79. Smut Clyde said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:29

    At least we can blame WordPress now, if we screw up the tags.
    Grant Wood is a spitting image for Christian Schad.

  80. pedestrian said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:33

    Grant Wood is a spitting image for Christian Schad.

    Why the fuck did you post that painting? What is wrong with you? Those swollen nipples will follow me to my nightmares.
    Anyway, I was thinking more of a young Pastor Swank.

  81. liberalrob said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:35

    McArdle put up a post today about the advisability of downloading your consciousness into a robot body. The meme is spreading.

  82. Smut Clyde said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:36

    Pastor Swank + Christian Schad Selbstbildnis… that combination cries out for photoshop…

  83. J— said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:36

    Aimé Césaire has died.

  84. Smut Clyde said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:40

    Also from the BBC:
    US army develops robotic suits

  85. Susan of Texas said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:43

    Why would McArdle want to download her consciousness into a robot body? She doesn’t drink, smoke, eat meat, or have any other vices, according to her. She’s already in a robot body.

    She also seems to have some idea of “consciousness” as some entity separate from a brain, that can be downloaded hither and yon.

  86. t4toby said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:44

    That’s because her consciousness is separate from her brain.

  87. Righteous Bubba said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:45

    Would the robot be less inane?

  88. t4toby said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:48

    Blog Whoring Ahead:

    Did anyone catch the Hope Bong comment Colbert made about Obama?

  89. Christopher said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:49

    AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

    What the fuck is wrong with WordPress? I even remembered to copy my comment, but then I thoughtlessly copied something else. Why? WHY GOD WHY?

    Anyway, short version: OrangeJuiceGate is made more hilarious by this statement immediately preceding it:

    MATTHEWS: What’s so hard about doing a diner? I don’t get it. Why doesn’t he go in there and say, “Did you see the papers today? What do you think about that team? How did we do last night?” Just some regular connection?

    Yes, what is so hard about it? I wonder if it has to do with the fact that after every visit commentators explain how you violated a series of unspoken rules so complex and revered they make a Japanese tea ceremony look like an episode of Double Dare.

  90. pedestrian said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:50

    McArdle put up a post today about the advisability of downloading your consciousness into a robot body. The meme is spreading.

    Instead I had a drink outside (mmmm-fresh cut grass), during which I got debate with a friend on the critical question: would you download your consciousness into a robot?

    Good lord, she makes Carrie Bradshaw look human.

  91. Susan of Texas said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:53

    Would the robot be less inane?

    I’m afraid not. She would, however, be the only robot blogger who doesn’t understand why other robots are complaining about the quality of spare parts, since her parts are all perfect.

  92. pedestrian said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:54

    Aimé Césaire has died.

    As we curse the darkness, one of the few candles blows out.

  93. cur said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:58

    I hear that Anne Ryand granted Ms. McArdle, when she dies, on her deathbed, the gift of total consciousness. So she has that going for her.

  94. User Loser said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:59

    I wonder how one would program for hormones and other lymbic functions as it were. Would you be losing something more than one thinks.

  95. t4toby said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:59

    I wonder if it has to do with the fact that after every visit commentators explain how you violated a series of unspoken rules so complex and revered they make a Japanese tea ceremony look like an episode of Double Dare.

    Win.

  96. PeeJ said,

    April 17, 2008 at 23:59

    Orange juice gate? Orange fucking juice fucking gate?!

    I can’t find the words….there’s nothing left to say. I’m crawling into my hole now, goodbye and good riddance world.

  97. Righteous Bubba said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:00

    I quite like the idea of discombobulating robot Megan with a really big magnet.

  98. Susan of Texas said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:07

    Or we could download funny instructions in her brain, like tell her to slap herself every time someone says “free hand of the market.”

  99. Smut Clyde said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:08

    discombobulating robot Megan with a really big magnet.
    Penthouse Letter of the Month.

  100. Jim said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:09

    cur said,
    April 17, 2008 at 23:58
    I hear that Anne Ryand granted Ms. McArdle, when she dies, on her deathbed, the gift of total consciousness. So she has that going for her.

    Oh, so she’s a looper.

  101. Gerald Curl said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:10

    Shorter McArdle:

    The humans are dead,
    The humans are dead.
    We used poisonous gases
    And we poisoned their asses.

    /Flight of the Conchords

  102. SomeNYGuy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:15

    Imagine trying to order orange juice in a diner. What was he thinking? Humble, all-American Chris Matthews would have settled happily for a pint of Thunderbird. And everybody knows David Shuster drinks only unicorn blood.

  103. Righteous Bubba said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:22

    Or we could download funny instructions in her brain

    There used to be a Mac extension in the old days that made your machine burp every once in a while.

  104. Hoosier X said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:25

    I can see where Tweety is coming from.

    Many people in the Rust Belt can not afford orange juice anymore. So, it is, in the context of this lame sophistry, elitist.

    Of course, they shouldn’t push it too far because someone might notice that the high price of orange juice might be what’s making them bitter, thus validating Obama’s point.

    Fortunately, consistency isn’t anything a conservative, a Republican or a pundit has to worry about.

    Hillary, on the other hand, seems to think that the people who might vote for her are as stupid as the people who voted for George W. Bush. How’s that working out for you, honey?

  105. Righteous Bubba said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:34

    Speaking as a non-coffee person fuck all you coffee drinkers. Liquor should be enough.

  106. EnfantTerrible said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:45

    McArdle put up a post today about the advisability of downloading your consciousness into a robot body.

    Reverse-engineering Pinocchio?

  107. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:47

    RALEIGH, N.C. – Democratic Sen. Barack Obama dismissively talked about his debate with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and the line of questioning from ABC News’ moderators, arguing that it focused on political trivia at the expense of the problems facing average voters.

    At a rally in the May 6 primary state of North Carolina, Obama drew roars of approval Thursday when he mocked aspects of the presidential debate that had him on the defensive Wednesday night. He faced tough questions about his controversial pastor, his comments about bitter voters in small towns and his relationship with a 1960s radical.

    There is hope.

    Oh, not a great deal.

    But some. Perhaps…

    mikey

  108. t4toby said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:50

    Speaking as a non-coffee person fuck all you coffee drinkers. Liquor should be enough.

    Out here, thems is fightin’ words…

  109. Susan of Texas said,

    April 18, 2008 at 0:59

    Think outside the box. Put the liquor in the coffee!

    And then add brown sugar and whipped cream, and maybe a nice napoleon or puff pastry cookies.

  110. Snowwy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:08

    Christopher FTW.

  111. pedestrian said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:12

    Think outside the box. Put the liquor in the coffee!

    Real Americans put a little coffee in their liquor.

  112. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:14

    What a waste of good booze.

    What, you wanna be a wide awake drunk?

    More hours to enjoy the spinning bed?

    Sheesh…

    mikey

  113. PeeJ said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:17

    Speaking as a non-coffee person fuck all you coffee drinkers.

    Have we settled on what that phrase means, exactly? Is that an offer, insult, or something else? I’m just askin ’cause it seemed there was some confusion about similar lingwidge in another thread the other day.

    WordPress screwed the pooch.

  114. Susan of Texas said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:23

    It’s a different type of drinking, where you try to occupy the space between buzzed and dizzy. A little cake, a little liquor, a little time to digest, a little more liquor.

    Plus, you know, cake is tasty.

  115. Smut Clyde said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:26

    Think outside the box.
    I need to download my consciousness into the box first.

  116. Matt T. said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:31

    Speaking as a non-coffee person fuck all you coffee drinkers.

    Have we settled on what that phrase means, exactly? Is that an offer, insult, or something else?

    Ya know, I personally don’t care for coffee myself but I’m perfectly willing to fuck someone who does. Not all of ‘em, of course, I ain’t got that kinda time. For what it’s worth.

  117. J— said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:34

    Have we settled on what that phrase means, exactly? Is that an offer, insult, or something else? I’m just askin ’cause it seemed there was some confusion about similar lingwidge in another thread the other day.

    As opposed to “fuck all y’all coffee drinkers,” which is perfectly clear.

  118. Schrödinger's cat said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:35

    Keep your feckin’ consciousness out of my box. I was here first.

  119. Matt T. said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:41

    As opposed to “fuck all y’all coffee drinkers,” which is perfectly clear.

    Well, I guess it depends on what part of the country you grew up. I’m from Mississippi and I know what “fuck all y’all” means. It’s usually the last thing the drunkest redneck at the party says before several folks give him an attitude adjustment and then a nice place to rest and recuperate.

    It’s a cultural thing, I suppose.

  120. lesley said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:43

    Wow, is Canada ever different, with its federal student loans program (that has extremely low interest rates). Plus, many people who’ve collected employment insurance can go to school and have their education (and most of their living expenses) paid for by the federal government.

    I would have thought the US fed would have something similar.

  121. Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:44

    The fact is, you liberals are fact-fucked.

  122. Kathleen said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:54

    The fact is Gary will not be enjoying Fish & chips tomorrow night! Sorry!!

  123. Kathleen said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:55

    is anyone else thinking that Dr. Mrs. Perfessor should be very worried that MM has jumped on the robot body bandwagon?

  124. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:59

    As opposed to “fuck all y’all coffee drinkers,” which is perfectly clear.

    The greater Southwest agrees with Mississippi.

    “Fuck all y’all” is one of the most common last things said before people start swinging. It’s usually said be a really drunk guy who was cranky when he walked in the place and has been arguing with folks for a while. When they start to get fed up and tell him to shut up or take it down the road, that’s when the statement gets made and the dancin commences….

    mikey

  125. (Lex) It's All In My Head (Azagthoth) said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:09

    I’ll be a robot. Why the fuck do doctors take the weekend off right after you get the MRI that will tell them if you have a brain tumor or not? WTF? Robots don’t get tumors. I’m all in. Sorry. I’m just scared out of my fucking mind. But The MMs are scarier almost somehow….why is that?

  126. Matt T. said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:14

    is anyone else thinking that Dr. Mrs. Perfessor should be very worried that MM has jumped on the robot body bandwagon?

    Dunno. Witness, she’s all the time writing about how there’s a derth of suitable studs in today’s society and I notice she neglects to include “willing to become a robot” in her lists of manliness. Maybe there’s something to this. We could hook up McArdle with Instapundit and the Dr. Mrs. with someone like Vox Day or Kim Du Toit, and a whole lot of wound up rage in several folks would finally find release. You got a think for R2-D2 while your ol’ lady lusts for Grizzly Adams, ain’t nobody happy.

    Besides, if you had Glenn Reynolds constantly poking you in the back while your trying to go to sleep, you might jump at the chance to foist the goomer off on some other poor shmuck. Think about it.

  127. Smut Clyde said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:27

    if you had Glenn Reynolds constantly poking you in the back while your trying to go to sleep
    That is giving me unpleasant mental images of a Dalek’s manipulator arm, which I feel obliged to share with you.

  128. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:32

    Smut Clyde.

    Bringing you disturbing images and bizarre historical footnotes of death, disease and dicks since 2006.

    No, don’t worry about it. I wasn’t planning on going to sleep tonight anyway…

    mikey

  129. Smut Clyde said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:39

    death, disease and dicks
    It was a bad move when the The Four Horsemen reformed with the new line-up.

  130. PeeJ said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:48

    … a Dalek’s manipulator arm, which I feel obliged to share with you.

    You keep that nasty fucking thing away from me, y’hear? You aint sharing that wif nobodies.

  131. Ted said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:51

    I love the URLs at America’s Shittiest Website. For the Corner and their “articles” the URLs are usually something like http://corner.nationalreview.com/bluuuuuooooaaghffdgshaqjlahprojectilevomit=/

    Very user-friendly. Well done, DoughBob.

  132. Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:54

    The fact is, some liberal idiot in the last thread said BUSH CONFESSED TO WAR CRIMES ON TELEVISION. I asked for proof, and got the usual liberal spinning and changing the subject. This is pure BS. Please show me how this “fact” appeared in your twisted brain damaged liberal non-mind. I’m waiting.

  133. Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:56

    The fact is, I am waiting. Come on, debate me with facts and logic!

  134. FGFM said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:58

    DMOP actually said on her blog that she has two copies of Liberal Fascism that she uses for reference on a constant basis.

  135. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:00

    Ok, how bout

    Wangs, weakness and weltschmerz?

    Poison, Pandemics and PeePees?

    Things, Thangs and Thongs?

    Whatever…

    mikey

  136. billy pilgrim said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:10

    McArdle put up a post today about the advisability of downloading your consciousness into a robot body. The meme is spreading.

    Excellent.

    In a couple of years, we can get all the wingnuts to voluntarily download their consciousness into Honda robot bodies.

    Then we shut ‘em all off.

    Thank You, Cyril M. Kornbluth!!

  137. Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:14

    The fact is, I’m going on a fact-finding trip to Thailand to diddle children. The fact is, when I get back, I’ll let you all know what facts I find.

  138. Lesley said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:18

    The fact that Gary is a fact of life sucks big time.

  139. Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:20

    The fact that Gary is a fact of life sucks big time.

    Shut the fact up.

  140. Smut Clyde said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:22

    Wangs, weakness and weltschmerz?
    The fact is that ‘Weltschmerz’ is a kind of German specialty cheese made from mare’s milk, collected from a small population of Przewalski’s Horses kept on the Thurn-und-Taxis estate near Regensburg. Not many people know that.

  141. Lesley said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:22

    here’s what I don’t understand. WordPress has it out for all of us and yet Garyfactnot posts with impunity. What gives?

  142. Smut Clyde said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:23

    Truculence, trebuchets and todgers.

  143. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:29

    Weiners, Wankers and Weenies…

  144. Anne Laurie said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:04

    I suppose they were incompetent in old fashion sense but under the new work rules… as tools they did just fine.

    User Loser nails it. The Corner sumpdwellers and Megan the Giant Elf are clear evidence that in the Repub Kleptocracy, ‘incompetent’ is the new ‘best hire’.

    My theory is that the genuine Powers That Be (the guys who hire the shills & shitebags like Bush, Bernake, and downwards through the MSM to the astroturf of the sumpdwellers) want to convince the “average American voter” that being genuinely smart, well-read, competent and interested in stuff outside your own little cubicle is a recipe for unemployment, frustration and despair. Of course if we all choose to be stupid & ignorant, or to commit suicide in despair, then we end up in the kind of chaos that makes Haiti look preferable, but by then the PTB figure they’ll decamp to Dubhai or Brunei or Monaco.

  145. Jim said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:09

    #

    Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:56

    The fact is, I am waiting. Come on, debate me with facts and logic!

    Gary, nobody’s “debating” you until you take off the mask, put on a pair of pants and come out of that little boy’s closet.

  146. Henry Lewis said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:17

    jeremiads, juniper berries and junk…

  147. Malfunctioning Glenn Reynolds Robot 2.0 said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:23

    Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric. Heh. Indeed. We’re winning! Read the whole thing. Obama doesn’t back up the rhetoric.

  148. Sporkey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:26

    …Instead I had a drink outside (mmmm-fresh cut grass)…

    I’ve heard of green tea, but not grass tea. I think she’s taking organic/vegan to a new level. Of course, it could be that she sprinkles it in her drink to add flavor, because whatever concoction she’s eating/drinking will probably need it.

  149. Galactic Dustbin said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:26

    thats a darn good fake Gary!

    damn word press

  150. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:28

    Dammit.

    I keep seeing the “polygamist” headlines out of texas.

    But for some weird reason I see them as “poltergeist”.

    Doodily doodily doo doo doo…

    mikey

  151. Some Guy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:28

    Mother fuck nuts.
    “Boy, I”m sure writing a long and funny (to me. …shut up….) post. I better make sure I copy it before i send it! hum-tee-tum… la la… okay, done! time to send! Wait… NNNOOOOOO!! *vader style*”

    Anyways, the gist is: Anti-choice people are fucktards.
    What’s the difference in character and usage between light and dark rum, and what’s a good choice for mixed drinks and rum+cokes?

  152. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:35

    It’s a sad, angry and disjoint thread.

    WordPress conspires to shut down debate.

    Gary demonstrates a new level of obscenity.

    The train wreck that is our sad political culture grinds on towards certain disaster.

    So let me offer this

    I’m making a stuffed chicken breast.

    I made stuffing out of toasted bread crumbs, onions, garlic, bell peppers, celery, carrots and chopped walnuts. Along with melted butter, lemon juice and chopped mushrooms, with herbs and white wine.

    With a chicken breast seasoned and laid on top of the stuffing, with mixed vegetables and delicious flatbread.

    Let’s rock..

    mikey

  153. Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:42

    The fact is, I am still waiting. I should know better than to expect any logic, sense, reality from liberals.

  154. Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:43

    The fact is, liberals, where is your EVIDENCE that Bush admitted to WAR CRIMES? There is none. Obviously. Now please shut up.

  155. Smüt Cl?de said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:44

    All our times have come
    Here but now they’re gone
    Comments don’t fear the WordPress
    Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain
    We can be like they are

    Come on baby… Don’t fear the WordPress
    Baby take my hand… Don’t fear the WordPress
    We’ll be able to fly… Don’t fear the WordPress
    Baby I’m your man…

  156. Brandi said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:49

    Come on, debate me with facts and logic!

    Don’t you like us working at your level, Gary?

  157. Some Guy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:51

    Where’s your evidence that he DIDN”T, smart guy?
    pwend.

  158. Anne Laurie said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:58

    I keep seeing the “polygamist” headlines out of texas.

    But for some weird reason I see them as “poltergeist”.

    Naah, Mikey, that’s why the fvcktard FLDS “elders” start breeding their daughters as soon as the kids hit puberty. A pregnant sixteen-year-old with another toddler or three to care for just can’t work up the psychic energy for poltergeist manifestations. Or much of anything else, I’d guess, which is of course one point of the exercise.

    It would be nice if some of the vast army of infotainment ants now clustering near the scene of the crimes might ask what happens to the “excess” male children to ensure that the patriarchs keep the prime young va-jay-jays — I mean, babymaking machinery — all to themselves. But I guess tracking feral, homeless, semi-literate teenage boys thru the bad neighborhoods of every city within a 200-mile radius is insufficiently… photogenic.

    On the bright side, I’m guessing this puts an end to any discussion of Willard M. Romney as McCain’s VP, because watching the Mitt-bot 2008 meltdown when quizzed about his jackleg religious relatives would be *very* non-presidential. (And not totally unfair, since Mitt’s very own grandpa was an FLDS polygamy-defender who decamped to Mexico when the obtrusive black-velocicopter guvvmint tried to interfere with Granpa Romney’s freedom of assembly.)

  159. Anne Laurie said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:02

    Also, WordPress, like the Ruppert clones, needs to get laid and be less angry & obsessive.

  160. Qetesh the Qaveat Qat said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:07

    Why does WordPress hate me?

    “Fuck all y’all” is one of the most common last things said before people start swinging.

    Down here it’s “Fuck the lot of yer”, although given that a drunken antipodean tends to have consonant incontinence, that tends to sound like “Fuck er loh-yer”.

    Me, I’m thinking about mikey and his breast-stuffing.

    What?

  161. Candy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:15

    Totally OT, but have all y’all seen the 3 Trillion Dollar Shopping Spree?

  162. Candy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:16

    Wow, WP totally did not fuck with me on that comment. Went right through. Maybe I scared it into submission with my earlier demand that it be shot.

  163. Candy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:19

    No sweetness for shitheads.

  164. Susan of Texas said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:23

    Hmm, Jonah said he just got back into town, there’s a picture of Jonah in short pants up there, and the troll is obsessed with his feces and think’s he’s a player.

    Jonah, is that you? If so, you make WordPress look good.

    I’ll keep my eyes open for inappropriate sci-fi-related sexual comments, but that could be any right-wing blogger these days.

  165. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:28

    The stuffed chicken rocked, but next time?

    I’ll add diced salt pork or lardons.

    I can’t BELIEVE I didn’t think of that.

    Dammit…

    mikey

  166. Smut Clyde said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:46

    The dictionary reckons that ‘lardoon’ is an acceptable spelling of lardon; it has the advantage if you can say it in a pirate voice, and people will think that you are talking about gold coins from a Spanish galleon.
    Arrr.

  167. the_millionaire_lebowski said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:04

    Linking to this for no particular reason.

  168. mikey said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:16

    people will think that you are talking about gold coins from a Spanish galleon.

    Gold coins have NOTHING on crispy fried pork belly.

    Yum.

    Just sayin

    mikey

  169. Matt T. said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:30

    A “lardon” sounds like a subatomic particle found in stuff like ice cream and chocolate.

  170. pedestrian said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:45

    Not that I have anything on mikey, but I made a pretty mean Pad Thai tonight. I happened to have shrimp, tofu, peanuts, rice noodles, tamarind, fish sauce, chili powder, and bean sprouts already on hand. All I had to buy were limes and a nice Riesling.

    I’m telling you what, I could live for 300 years and I don’t think that the stars would ever line up like that again.

  171. comsympinko said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:57

    mikey–

    Vietnamese fondue:

    For the wrap:
    2 lb well trimmed round steak
    1 head romaine lettuce
    1 package rice paper
    1 bunch mint

    For the broth:
    250 ml rice vinegar
    500 ml beef broth
    1 tbsp chopped garlic.
    2 tbsp slivered pickled ginger
    1/4 cup shredded lemongrass
    1 bunch green onion (scallion)-whites chopped thinly and long greens set aside.

    Freeze beef round for 2 hours. Slice paper thin and set aside in fridge.

    Fry garlic, ginger, lemongrass and onion in a little oil in the bottom of a fondue pot until garlic and onion are brown. Add vinegar and broth and bring to a boil.

    Prepare wrap with a sheet of rice paper topped with a lettuce leaf. Swish beef in boiling broth with chopsticks or fondue fork. Place beef atop lettuce leaf, add mint and long onion greens to taste and roll tightly. Serve with sriracha hot sauce, hoisin sauce, nuoc cham and any other Asian favorite for dipping. Local custom calls for anchovy and pineapple. This is at the diner’s discretion.

    Serves 4-6.

    Serve with “33″ beer and cold sake.

  172. comsympinko said,

    April 18, 2008 at 7:08

    mikey–

    Vietnamese Braised Pork Belly–

    3 tablespoons oil
    4 tablespoons sugar
    3 garlic cloves, slivered
    2 shallots, slivered
    2 tablespoons peeled, slivered fresh ginger
    1 1/2 to 2 pounds pork belly
    1/3 to 1/2 cup fish sauce
    12 ounces fresh or frozen coconut water (see head note)
    4 hard-cooked eggs, quartered

    In a thick-walled 1 1/2- to 2-quart pan, heat the oil and add the sugar, stirring until the sugar melts. Cook until the sugar turns a light brown and caramelizes. Add the garlic, shallots and ginger. They will sizzle. Stir and cook for 1 minute.

    Over high heat, add the pork belly and stir. Add the fish sauce and coconut water. The liquid should barely cover the pieces of pork. Add water if necessary. Bring to a boil, add the eggs, cover and cook on medium heat for 35 to 45 minutes. Remove lid and cook until liquid is reduced to about 1 cup, or comes up about one third of the way on the pork.

    Serve warm.

    Serves 6 to 8

    Serve with chilled red wine.

  173. comsympinko said,

    April 18, 2008 at 7:16

    mikey–

    Rillettes:

    2 lb Pork belly cubed- 2 inch
    1 pinch Black pepper
    1 lb Pork shoulder cubed- 2 inch
    1 lb Pork fat sliced
    4 cups Water

    1 Bouquet garni–consisting of…
    1 bay leaf
    3 sprigs thyme
    4 large sprigs parsley (including stalks)
    10 cm (4 inch) piece celery stalked with leaves
    two 10 cm (4 inch) pieces leek (green part)
    1 tsp Salt–bound with string

    Place pork belly and shoulder in heavy-bottomed pot. Add the water and the bouquet garni and cook over low heat; stirring occasionally. After 6 hours, stir in the salt and pepper and remove from the heat. Remove the bouquet garni.

    Once the meat is cool enough to handle, transfer it to the mixing bowl and, using the forks, shred the meat, taking care to preserve the natural filament- meaning you want shreds-not mush.

    Next, divide the mixture into the several small containers. Top each portion witha slice or two of the pork fat to completely cover it, fold the mixture together a bit, then wrap each container with the plastic wrap and place in the refrigerator and let them sit for 3 days before serving.

    Service: scoop some out into some artful shape and garnish with toasted baguette rounds and cornichons.

    Oh, baby. Got this idea from the book “Salt” by Mark Kurlansky. Remarkable stuff.

  174. comsympinko said,

    April 18, 2008 at 7:34

    mikey–

    Spicy Stuffed Boneless Pork Loin:

    Part one:
    3 lb boneless pork loin, split.
    1 tbsp olive oil, 1 tsp sea salt, 1 tsp red pepper flakes to coat.

    Stuffing:
    1 loaf day old bread
    4 tbsp olive oil
    1 lb diced pancetta
    2 diced plum tomatoes
    1 tbsp red pepper flakes
    1/4 cup fresh shredded basil leaf
    2 tbsp garlic
    1/4 cup diced red onion

    Fry pancetta over medium heat until brown. Let cool and set aside.

    Break bread into small pieces. Add olive oil, diced tomato and red pepper flakes, mix thoroughly and let sit 1 hour. Add pancetta, basil, garlic and onion., mix thoroughly and let sit overnight unrefrigerated.

    Stuff split loin with stuffing mixture. Coat outside with olive oil then sea salt and red pepper flakes from part one. Tie at least four times with string tightly.

    Bake at 375 for 45 minutes, remove and let sit for 10 minutes covered with aluminum foil.

    Serve with fresh shaved parmiggiano reggiano, romaine salad and a nice chianti.

  175. comsympinko said,

    April 18, 2008 at 7:42

    mikey–

    Sorry, I forgot–rillettes are best served with super-cold dry white wine.

    Pickled pearl onions never hurt, either.

  176. comsympinko said,

    April 18, 2008 at 8:21

    Sorry if I got on anyone’s nerves with all the recipes, but I was a fanatic regular over at Steve Gilliard’s place, and the opportunity to post some new food ideas made me giddy, like I was back there again, if only for a moment.

    Try them out, I swear you won’t be disappointed.

  177. Kathleen said,

    April 18, 2008 at 8:27

    those recipes look sweet comsymp.

  178. Kathleen said,

    April 18, 2008 at 8:28

    anyone remember that troll from days of yore who ended every comment with a court case? Those were the hazy, vaguely-recalled days.

  179. Mike, in teh H.....Shoulderland said,

    April 18, 2008 at 8:33

    Thanks cosympinko. Mention of good food is always good . The mention of Shorter Megan , brought back some nausea from the recipe . Needed a cure. Speaking of recipes, and Shorter Megan, her previous post was on the Cindy McCain recipe thing . I seem to remember somebody mentioning that . hmmmm???? Then it appears.

    Meanwhile , the wingut welfare wheel goes ’round and ’round.

  180. Mike, in teh H.....Shoulderland said,

    April 18, 2008 at 8:47

    i>”Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:43

    The fact is, liberals, where is your EVIDENCE that Bush admitted to WAR CRIMES? There is none. Obviously. Now please shut up.”

    Gary, it’s on ABC. Look it up with your Shorter Jonah-like computator-whiz-bang-ish skill.

    C’mon ! Isn’t admitting to war crimes, the sort of dumb-assian thing we’ve come to expect from Fearless Leader ?

  181. bago said,

    April 18, 2008 at 9:12

    Someone should just make an asp or php front end for the corner and just insert the string “As the child of a millionaire…” in front of every post. It would read way better.

  182. bago said,

    April 18, 2008 at 9:12

    You could even make up a cute name for it, such as the un-rounded corner.

  183. Smut Clyde said,

    April 18, 2008 at 9:57

    anyone remember that troll from days of yore who ended every comment with a court case?
    Mario George Nitrini is no troll. Mad as a meat-ax, but he contributes his own special flavour to the recipe.

  184. Prospero said,

    April 18, 2008 at 10:25

    I wonder how one would program for hormones and other lymbic functions as it were. Would you be losing something more than one thinks.

    Why’s that supposed to be more difficult then anything else? I mean, if you are simulating the brain, you are simulating all chemical interactions within it.

  185. Rugged in Montana said,

    April 18, 2008 at 11:12

    Are we back to recipes again? I’ve got a good one:

    Take a wad of any good, homemade pemmican
    Place between cheek and gum
    Allow to soften (this can take some time),
    Chew, at some point.

    Now I know that the above isn’t your typical LIE-brul, fancy-dan French gourmet kind of eating, but it’s what those of us in the heartland live off of. Our beloved patriot President, George Willard Bush, jet pilot hero of the battle of Iraq, has pemmican served to him on a nightly basis, because he’s not a bitter elitist like Hitlery and Osama. It’s because of things like that that he’ll win the election against those two LIE-bruls and then they can go back to France, rather than here in the USA of America!!

  186. Gary Ruppert said,

    April 18, 2008 at 13:04

    The fact is, I am still waiting for link , source , anything other than “look it up”. I can easily find liberals who believe anything about Bush, including that he ordered 9-11, so again, I ask you, When Did Bush Admit He Was A War Criminal? Is it that hard for you to point that instance out to me? You probably think its every time he speaks, but I am not a paranoid raving liberal hater. be specific with facts and logic.

  187. El Cid said,

    April 18, 2008 at 13:22

    Hey everybody! Enjoy Paul Krugman’s new column, which proves that any of you who thought we had failed to achieve economic paradise under Bill Clinton are angry bitter Democrat hating freaks!

    Also, Obama’s totally wrong that any voter is ever distracted by non-economic and trivial issues! Krugman’s friend Larry Bartels proves this with a book that shows all bad things happened because of the votes of the South, so that means everyone else in the country has always been perfectly rational voters! Yay!

  188. Some Guy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 13:34

    Prove he didn’t, boy-yo.
    *cabbage-patches over your epic fail*

  189. Meanwhile, in the previous thread... said,

    April 18, 2008 at 13:53

    Duros Hussein 62 said,
    April 17, 2008 at 20:51

    NutellaonToast said,
    April 17, 2008 at 7:04
    SOMEONE GIMME LINK!!!!!!

    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/story?id=4635175&page=1

  190. (Lex) It's All In My Head (Azagthoth) said,

    April 18, 2008 at 15:18

    Smut is cracking me up so bad that I couldn’t even read the rest……Bless you Smut Clyde, dammit! Making every day a little bit snarkier for me.

    Gary, you fuckshit, I told you I’d debate you elsewhere not here with WordPress eating the comments. Besides, I’d jump the snark if I debated you down here (which I would no doubt do) and it would merely bore everyone, just as you do now with every comment you leave.

    Don’t fear the wordpress….

  191. tigrismus said,

    April 18, 2008 at 16:07

    Gary: you know water boarding is a war crime that has been prosecuted by US tribunals, you know the “Principals” personally approved its use, and you know Bush said he personally “knew and approved” of the work of the Principals, down to the details. You can pretend that somehow that means Bush didn’t incriminate himself, but nobody else is drinking your kool-aid, so put a fucking sock in it.

  192. Tone In DC said,

    April 18, 2008 at 17:00

    Can’t resist.

    They’re loadin’ up the wordpress
    And puttin’ it on the site
    And all she wants to do is dance

    It’s eatin’ all the snark up
    That just ain’t right
    And all she wants to do is dance

    Cheney’s cracking jokes and
    Cindy McCain’s still high as a kite
    And all she wants to do is dance…

  193. kakaya zanuda said,

    April 18, 2008 at 18:39

    I loves you all, making me laugh, thank you. Especially you, Gary, cuz you most certainly ARE a “paranoid raving liberal hater” and it’s just so adorable that you clearly have no idea how cute your posts are, like a one-legged pit-bull growlin’ for a belly-scratching.

  194. liberalrob said,

    April 18, 2008 at 18:49

    Is WordPress choking on the “Preview” javascript?

  195. liberalrob said,

    April 18, 2008 at 18:50

    Or just choking in general and at random?

  196. SomeNYGuy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 21:12

    “I am not a paranoid raving liberal hater. “

    Then you, sir, are not Gary Ruppert.

  197. Kathleen said,

    April 18, 2008 at 22:56

    ah, Mario; that’s right. Good times.

  198. Jim said,

    April 19, 2008 at 0:14

    Mario George Nitrini is no troll. Mad as a meat-ax, but he contributes his own special flavour to the recipe.

    Mario was also in the habit of sending letters detailing similar concerns to any and all newspapers he could find, as I can attest from my days as editor of a local weekly in Arlington, Va.

    I didn’t have the heart to write back and tell him all of his problems were outside of our coverage area.

  199. Smut Clyde said,

    April 19, 2008 at 11:06

    A “lardon” sounds like a subatomic particle found in stuff like ice cream and chocolate.

    Mikey has failed to address all the safety concerns about his proposed “large lardon accelerator”.

  200. Svensker said,

    April 19, 2008 at 16:27

    I keep waiting for Obama (or someone) to say “The GOP loves to talk about gay marriage but the GOP will never DO anything about gay marriage because they’d lose their wedge issue.” Or similar.

    My mental image is causing extreme anguish, or maybe that’s pleasure — it’s hard to tell anymore.

  201. Gentlewoman said,

    April 19, 2008 at 18:35

    Why the fuck do doctors take the weekend off right after you get the MRI that will tell them if you have a brain tumor or not? WTF?

    Don’t panic, you prolly don’t have a brain tumor. I think you said that you have had an episode of TN. That, and the fact that they ordered an MRI makes me think that they are trying to rule out multiple sclerosis.

    Don’t panic about that, either. Even if you have MS, it’s not the end of the world. It’s chronic but not fatal, and lots of people don’t have any symptoms at all.

    anyone remember that troll from days of yore who ended every comment with a court case?

    Oh, Mario was sweet. Bonkers, but sweet. I miss him. Not as much as I miss Bruce, of course.

  202. Gentlewoman said,

    April 19, 2008 at 18:36

    I forgot to say: I have shot teh wordpress. Shot. It. Ded.

  203. Smut Clyde said,

    April 19, 2008 at 22:27

    I didn’t have the heart to write back and tell him all of his problems were outside of our coverage area.
    Any newspaper based on Planet Earth would have sent him the same reply.

  204. justamusician said,

    April 22, 2008 at 7:03

    Wow.

    I have 6 figures in student loans, and that’s WITH a scholarship. I’m a highly trained musician with absolutely NO chance of paying it back. Luckily it gets discharged after 25 years.

    “Luckily” = I get to buy my first house when I’m about 58 years old, just in time to retire! Except I won’t be able to retire.

    Or buy a house.

    Damn.

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