Habits Of Highly Offensive People (Shorter Jerry Agar)

A Report from the White Community

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  • Nigga, read a book, read a book, read a mu’uhfuckin’ book… 1

‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard.


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Bonus Agar-Against-the-Machine:

You want to know why white kids succeed? Their parents tell them to. Their parents expect them to. If the school doesn’t provide a book they send their child to the library. You should try the library, it’s free. While the children are doing their lessons the adults could wander over to the self-help section and read “The Seven Habits of Highly Successful People” or something like it. There are plenty of choices. (But not “The Secret,” that’s another get-something-for-nothing book.)

You could point out that while I am busy absolving myself of the problems in the black community I am not doing anything to help. Perhaps that is true, but I didn’t help the Asian children either. How are they doing?

Not at all affected by centuries of chattel slavery in the Americas, funnily enough.

D. Aristophanes adds: Blacks, by lumping all people of a certain race together and declaring that all of them have a common, negative characteristic, are clearly racist.

 

Comments: 145

 
 
 

Isn’t it a pretty big leap of faith for a wingnut to assume that teh blacks can read?

 
 

You could point out that while I am busy absolving myself of the problems in the black community I am not doing anything to help. Perhaps that is true, but I didn’t help the Asian children either.

A new commandment I give unto you: that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
Jesus, from John 13:34

 
 

Yes, but if Jesus had seen how low they wear their pants and all that, would not even His patience have turned?

 
 

Ya know, I shouldn’t be continually boggled foulness and intense stupidity of any pitiful excuse for a human being that’s such a balls-out pinhead bigot in this, the Two-Thousand & Eighth Year Of Our Lord, but I am.

Just wow. Dude, being a red-headed Mississippi stump-jumper is pretty goddamn honky indeed, but I am proud I’m not a part of this douchebag’s “White Community”.

 
 

DN, don’t you know the conservatives yet? This is just their take on “tough love”

 
 

Why do those damn negroids keep forcing me to spit on them?!

 
 

Oh, and the every popular “I’m just saying what Dr. Cosby is saying…”

If Cliff Huxtable says it, it must be good.

 
The Late Dik Browne
 

Patenting Agar the Orrible.

 
 

Aaaagh, he got paid for this.

 
 

Ach, I changed it (to reserve it for later)…

 
 

Goddam it.

If I could find a way to teach these fuckers lessons learned hard.

If I could find a way to reach them, though the fear and anger.

I could tell them. Hatred is easy. Pick anybody. It’s just tribal. And its just so horribly easy to hate.

To identify a group, decide you hate them, and come up with reason after reason to hate them. They are lazy. They won’t try. They aren’t like you and me, they don’t have ambition, they have some crazy religion I don’t understand, they only stay together in a group, they won’t learn english.

Oh, yeah. If confronted with a choice, it is easy to hate them, to mock them, to decide they are something less than you. They should not have the rights you have, they should not live in your neighborhood, they should not have access to your job.

They are criminals, they are on welfare, they are a drag on society, they wear different clothes and listen to different music and refuse to agree with all the assumptions that define my worldview.

I could tell them. Get over your fear. Make a neighborhood. Forget tribe. Gather around you the people who you live with. Learn from them. Offer them whatever you can. Build tribes out of your neighbors, out of your families.

Don’t burn out your life and your love mindlessly hating. Become something more, reach out, talk, be a bridge instead of a barrier. Don’t fear, but rather hope. How can the one not be better than the other?

Learn to set aside your impulsive, knee jerk hatred and learn to embrace those around you. You will be stronger, richer and better for it.

mikey

 
 

Get off the cross, oppressed white males. We need the wood and your Dockers are ripping.

 
 

This resembles nothing more than an over-long entry in the Anonymous White Man Complaint Box.

e.g.:

Dear White Man Complaint Box,

This affirmative action bullshit is completely out of control. My son had a 2.5 GPA and he did not get into Ball State’s business program, then I hear this black kid got a 2.4 GPA and he DID get in. Just because some tarbaby’s great great grandfather was brought to America at gunpoint, hobbled with a rock hammer, and then worked to death in a cotton plantation by my great great grandfather doesn’t mean they have the right to STEAL an education from my son. We made them equal so we didn’t have to hear them bitch and this is the THANKS we white people get?

 
 

From his bio:

As a legal immigrant from Canada he is often asked to participate in television debates on illegal immigration.

And yet Mikey is asking me to break bread with this frostback taking away a job in one of our economy’s only growth spheres? Hating your fellow American on a noxious AM station is an American’s prerogative.

 
 

Nah, Kuda.

Fuck Canadians.

They’re vermin…

mikey

 
 

As a legal immigrant from Canada he is often asked to participate in television debates on illegal immigration.

MothraFucka!!eleven11!

 
 

Moving to Alberta from Quebec qualifies as ‘illegal immigration’ in Canada.

 
 

Get off the cross, oppressed white males. We need the wood and your Dockers are ripping.

BOL! Post of the thread, right there.

 
 

Funny thing…I’ve noticed that I never have problems with black people. I’m not sure why, but I think it might be because when they approach me on the street, I look them in the eye, smile, and say “hello” or “good afternoon”. Oddly enough, they always respond in kind. Even the homeless winos hanging around outside the day shelter, when they look at me and greet me, when I smile and say, “I’m doing well this afternoon gentlemen, thank you, how are you today?” I get huge grins in response. It has occured to me that it might be because people don’t always treat them like, you know, fellow human beings. And OldFart who was ranting about how he should be able to go around shouting “NIGGER!!!” at all those insolent youths playing their music loud, because of course they are doing it just to provoke him…oddest thing happened yesterday when my 16 year old niece and I were driving from the place where we’d had lunch…this black kid drives by with the bass pounding, we both look and he’s looking at us, so we smile at him and I give him the peace sign, and we got this huge grin in return. WTF is wrong with these black people for not popping a cap in our asses? Isn’t that what they are supposed to do? What am I doing wrong?

 
 

‘E tuk ‘r jeeeb!!!

 
 

As a legal immigrant from Canada he is often asked to participate in television debates on illegal immigration.

Because not being an illegal immigrant makes you an expert on illegal immigrants. Hey, I’m not a heart surgeon – mind if I open up your chest and take a look?

 
 

It’s so nice to see someone who still takes old-fashioned pride in being a racist asshole.

 
 

You know, I flash a good deal more melanin that Mr. Great White North, but I’ve been to places in this country where there are 1. No minorities 2. Lots of ignorance and failure.

I’d pay a lot to see him stride up the parents of those kids and tell them to get off their lazy butts and take junior to the library.

Those people might not have much edjumacation or many teeth. But they do have some serious fire power.

 
 

Speaking as a Canadian, good effing riddance. If you’re going to be that racist, you belong in the country that didn’t give land grants to the Underground Railroad African-Americans.

I’m a white kid from the south too, just not the US south. Doesn’t mean I get to be a racist asshole…

 
 

In real dollars education spending is multiples of what it was four decades ago and test scores have hardly changed.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t there like at least twice as many kids in school – maybe even 3 or 4 times as many – as there were four decades ago? Not to mention that four decades ago, in a big swath of states, black kids went to different schools – ones where they didn’t spend any money to speak of? And “special needs” kids – they weren’t in the public schools either 4 decades ago. And test scores? Test scores for middle-class white kids are exactly the same as they were 4 decades ago, but now we’ve brought a lot of less privleged kids into the system, so if test scores are overall “about the same”, wouldn’t that mean that the kids who used to go to schools where they couldn’t afford books or heat or indoor plumbing now have test scores approaching those of middle class white kids?

What a waste of money.

And what a fucking tool this guy is.

 
 

Nothing to add on the subject, but I’ve got a new nick for McCain: “Double American”.

Also, a bad joke: Why does Hillary put herself on the same experience level as McCain? Because they’ve been equally successful at dodging sniper fire with their planes…

 
 

What a moran. He says on page 2 that America was the first nation to abolish slavery!

Seriously? He’s not even close. We abolished the slave trade in 1808 and then slavery in 1865. If we only count countries that abolished slavery after 1776, we’ve got:
Scotland, Haiti, Canada, Prussia, Spain, The Netherlands, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Greece, Chile, Mexico, Bolivia, British Empire, Uraguay, Argentina, Tunisia, Sweden, Denmark, Peru, Moldavia, and probably a few I missed because the list wasn’t formatted well.

This guy’s such a fucking idiot.

 
 

Except that, as any asshole with a brain and the gazoogle would know, most minority neighborhoods lack basic infrastructure and services like, for example, libraries. The public library in my ‘hood – Bedford-Stuyvesant in Brooklyn, a mostly black, mostly Puerto Rican district (except for gentrifyin’ white hipster fuks like myself) – is pretty pathetic, and when libraries get new money these days, they buy computers, not books. So, in some total, fuck you Agar. Turn off “Pleasantville” and pull your head out off Barney Fife’s ass.

 
 

And yet Mikey is asking me to break bread with this frostback taking away a job in one of our economy’s only growth spheres?

Plus, he probably has one of those obnoxious Canuck accents: “Eh, the Nigras out to be oot and aboot reading some books instead of wearing baggy pants and flashing gang signs.”

 
 

“Seriously? He’s not even close. We abolished the slave trade in 1808 and then slavery in 1865. If we only count countries that abolished slavery after 1776, we’ve got: Scotland, Haiti, Canada, Prussia, Spain, The Netherlands, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Greece, Chile, Mexico, Bolivia, British Empire, Uraguay, Argentina, Tunisia, Sweden, Denmark, Peru, Moldavia, and probably a few I missed because the list wasn’t formatted well.”

The fucking Frogs did it twice – once in 1794, only for Napoleon to re-instate slavery to please his first wife Josephine (her father was a rich sugar planter in Martinique) – and then again, in 1848.

 
 

You want to know why white kids succeed? Their parents tell them to. Their parents expect them to. If the school doesnt provide a book they send their child to the library. You should try the library, its free.

Cheapskate. You should try an apostrophe.

 
 

He says on page 2 that America was the first nation to abolish slavery!

Seriously? He’s not even close.

Maybe he needs to visit one of those newfangled “liberry” things all the kids are talking about, where he could look it up in a “book”. I hear it’s free!

 
 

With the US dollar as low as it is, it’s just going to get easier and easier for Canada to send us their wingnuts. Soon they will be bulk shipping them and flooding the market! We need trade protection barriers now!

Every frothing, racist, sexually repressed asshole Canuk that gets sent down, is another frothing, racist, sexually repressed AMERICAN asshole that isn’t getting that sweet Wingnut Welfare. How will Confederate Yankee ever get his new BBQ grill then?

 
 

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He says on page 2 that America was the first nation to abolish slavery!

Seriously? He’s not even close.

Maybe he needs to visit one of those newfangled “library” things all the kids are talking about, where he could look it up in a “book”. I hear it’s free!

oh sure he may talk a good game about self help books at the library, but you just know he is the periodicals, reading the Cosmo “How To Please Your Man In Bed” articles

 
 

is the IN the periodicals

 
 

mikey–

I’m on my third vodka tonic, but wait. What you wrote is giving me a glimmer of an idea. Thus:
Tribalism can only thrive on two things: we’re-great and they’re-bad. The first is an institutionalization of the impulse toward love/combining with the desired object/the family/etc. The latter is an institutionalization of PROJECTION: they’re bad because they’re everything we’re not.

This is unconscious, yes. But so what?

Sometimes, of course, they ARE bad, and they are everything we’re not, but that’s not what I’m typing about. Rather: if projection is an automatic mechanism that just OPERATES, then of course we’re going to “find” a group that serves as a canvas on which we can paint a portrait of all the things we know we’re not, or not supposed to be. Every impulse denied,
suppressed, overridden, etc., is still an impulse. It’s just defined as “wrong.” So it finds an incarnation in the other and that’s half of how we know who we “are.” We’re NOT THEM. But the reason we’re not them is, we have pre-defined them to BE what we’re not.

Yes, gang: impeccable typing, in the service of drunken rambling. Happy to help.

 
 

You’re right Jerry! They’re all out to get you! All of THEM everywhere. EVERYWHERE!

 
 

You want to know why white kids succeed? Their parents tell them to.

He must have missed this:

http://www.realestatejournal.com/buysell/markettrends/20051123-hwang.html

Whites aren’t quitting the schools because the schools are failing academically. Quite the contrary: Many white parents say they’re leaving because the schools are too academically driven and too narrowly invested in subjects such as math and science at the expense of liberal arts and extracurriculars like sports and other personal interests.

The two schools, put another way that parents rarely articulate so bluntly, are too Asian.

Yep, when the Asian kids are too smart, white people run away. I’d be interested in Agar’s “tough love” approach to this problem.

 
 

Have another vodka tonic and call it a night, MrWonderful.

 
 

Yeah, well we beat Puerto Rico (1873), Cuba (1884), and Brazil (1888), so rock on, USA!

 
 

Oops, make Cuba 1886, which means the USA beat them by 2 more years than what I previously, erroneously indicated!

 
 

Are white people putting guns to the heads of black men and forcing them to join gangs, rob stores and deal drugs? No? Then leave us out of it.

Apparently the only kind of bigotry is literal. Oh, and if the author’s not a racist (never mind that he very blatantly is) then its not “pervasive”. When is this all going to be compiled in a Wingnut-opedia of logic?

 
 

WTF is wrong with these black people for not popping a cap in our asses? Isn’t that what they are supposed to do? What am I doing wrong?

You might want to take sides in the Biggie Smalls v. Tupac East Coast/West Coast beef next time, or if that’s too ancient, say something like “Crunk sucks goat balls”, that might do it.

 
 

Where can I get me some of that wingnut welfare all y’all keep talking about? I could seriously use some money and I’m not above lying to get it.

 
 

People legally migrate to Alberta?

I mean, people actually voluntarily go to frickin Alberta? I thought it was one of those people escaped from. You know, like Alabama. You can’t even get edible poutine in Alberta!

 
 

That article reminds me of this Onion article, where this white American guy gives advice to a starving child in Africa. I can’t find it though.

 
 

Holy shit, Me.

That article has like sixty-five different types of crazy shit going on in it.

 
 

people actually voluntarily go to frickin Alberta?

I liked Edmonton. I spent like a whole month there. Course, I don’t eat poutine.

 
 

Maybe he needs to visit one of those newfangled “library” things all the kids are talking about, where he could look it up in a “book”. I hear it’s free!

You know, the author of this probably hasn’t set foot in a public library since he was 18. Has he bothered to check the operating hours of his local library recently? Newsflash – budget cuts on the local government level tend to favor street lights and road repairs over librarian staffing positions.

 
 

Just read the first 50 comments of Grand Wizard Agar’s post. Whoa…big whoa. There will be many crosses burned across the USA tonight. Those honkeys are ‘keepin’ it real’.

 
 

As a legal immigrant from Canada he is often asked to participate in television debates on illegal immigration.

Because not being an illegal immigrant makes you an expert on illegal immigrants.

Hey, guys, I’m now available to participate in televised debates on nuclear power, space flight, biblical archeology, utility installation and maintenance, macroeconomics on the Indian subcontinent, and computer programming. Contact me for more info on things I can debate.

 
 

Oh, P.S. – also the estrus cycle of the pileated gibbon.

 
 

Just read the first 50 comments of Grand Wizard Agar’s post

Agar is used to culture fungus, and bacteria, eh? 😉

mikey, I left you a link on the last thread , for the source of this :

http://www.amishlandseeds.com/images/schimmeigstripedhol.jpg

 
 

Why do those damn negroids keep forcing me to spit on them?!

Or for the (also) homophobic: Why do all these homosexuals keep sucking my cock?

 
Don'tBlameTheUphillTomatos
 

Ph.D., J.D. writes:
Thank you

……..being blamed. Get over it, mighty whitey liberals and those black folks who still have the bee in the mouth.
Huh? No wonder “they”re still bitchin’ . “They” have a bee in “their” mouth. Ouch!

lula may writes:
….I started washing dishes in a diner when I was 12 years old and haven’t stopped working since. That’s 45 years with very few vacations. It’s been a hard life but I continued to work my way up. I’m still working…..

Probably knitted her own clothes as she walked three miles , uphill , both ways .

 
 

Course, I don’t eat poutine.

Heretic! Fries and gravy that do not squeak when chewed shall be outlawed when the Truly Wise come to power!

*ahem*

Anyways, happy though I am that Willie WonderYutz is no longer trying to ply a trade in my home nation, does he really have to go out of his way to make me embarrassed to be white? Is he getting bonus points for it?

Just please, PLEASE no one tell him he’s also (judging by secondary characteristics only, here) male. I do NOT need to see another flailing, mewling, limp and shame-sodden cretin whining into his “lite” beer about how oppressed “we” are.

 
 

….I’ve tried all sorts of things, but it’s all been to no avail. A few months back, I started wearing an intimidating-looking black leather thong with menacing metal studs in the hopes that it would frighten those faggots off, but it didn’t work…..

I heard that he’s at the WH now , working on ME policy.

 
 

Why do I have the feeling that Mr. Agar vociferously opposes higher taxes to pay for library services?

 
 

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I mean, people actually voluntarily go to frickin Alberta? I thought it was one of those people escaped from. You know, like Alabama. You can’t even get edible poutine in Alberta! I did, lasted 10 months, but I must say, there is at least one place that sells edible poutine.

 
 

Yowsah. Now there’s a fine comments thread. I am sorely tempted to post stuff from the White Man Complaint Box just to troll, and see how sympathetic the response would be. Fer instance…

I live in a gated community. I moved here when a black family moved into my previous neighborhood and I knew crime was going to be right behind them. Now that I am living in Ivory Meadows I am paying much higher property tax for the exact same plot size and I do not feel this is fair. Why should the blacks in my old neighborhood have to pay less for the exact same size plot as I have? It’s the silent racism of this twisted government. Tyranny of the minorities.

Would certainly get a rousing response of “you tell ’em”s. I’m just not sure I can bear to see Irony taken out and eviscerated with a horsewhip like that.

Also, one of my fave Onion editorials, after Herbert Kornfeld, of course…

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33488

 
 

I’m too drunk to have anything to add to this tonight. I had a few Killian’s with some people from the sports desk and one person from the photo desk. And we basically just made fun of people at work and didn’t talk about politics or race at all.

I’d forgotten what this is like.

A couple of my best friends are Hillary supporters and one of them especially is quite scary. Believe me, the first time I saw the phrase Clintonista, I knew EXACTLY what it meant.

And it was nice to just talk sports and make fun of lame people we all work with.

What was this thread about again?

Oh, yeah. Stupid racist conervatives.

Conservatives are racist and stupid. This guy Agar is a DOUCHE.

WTF is wrong with these morons? Do they not care how lame and ridiculous they look to honest decent people?

(Do you see why it’s so much more attractive to forget all this depressing shit and talk about stupid people at work? As opposed to the horrible depressing feeling I get when realizing the crippling feebleness of an entire political movement that has so much more power than any any decent species would ever allow it to gather? We are fucking DOOMED!)

 
 

Why is it that people can’t seem to grasp that big, overt, institutional racism isn’t a thing of the distant past? It’s only been 40 years since Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated. Just 40 years ago any black person asking for equality was risking their life, no matter how committed to non-violence they were.

And it’s not like everything magically got better immediately after he was shot.

Why is that so hard to understand? A grade-school understanding of math and civics is enough to tell us that most black people living today either grew up during the time when it was acceptable for a high-profile national magazine to openly embrace segregation, or their parents grew up in that time.

Why is it that people can’t figure that out?

Serious question: How much of the current Asian-American population is made up of the children of people who immigrated here in the 60s or earlier?

 
 

re: Hearts and Minds, freedom is messy. The truth is, people give their lives for freedom everyday in Iraq and we are too chicken for that. We don’t appreciate what our ancestors did.

 
 

The fact is, blacks have never had it so good. They should shut up and stop whining and work harder. However, that’s also what the champion of all the supposedly downtrodden, the liberals, always do. Maybe they don’t need a champion, just a kick in the ass.

 
 

The comments over there are killing me with stupid!
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heavydoug writes: Friday, March, 28, 2008 9:38 AM
A question
For my white students.

Anyone of you may answer(you too Jerry, I know you reading your own blog).

This is just to get your mental juices flowing.

If watching models and movie stars, can make white teenage girls starve themselves to death with anorexia, what is the effect of Generations of being protrayed as “Amos n Andy, Pimps and Hoes, and gangsters”, on black teenagers?
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goldilocks writes: Friday, March, 28, 2008 9:53 AM
heavydoug
I answered that lie the last time you asked it, seems like you are incapable of learning. Is that the problem with the black community not capable of learning?

Do you really want to tell us that your parents didn’t teach you right from wrong, or that getting an education was important, or that stealing, and killing would get you incarcerated because they were too stupid to realize this simply because their great-grandparents were slaves?
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Wow Goldilocks is a huge douche.

 
 

Wow Goldilocks is a huge douche.

With no respect for ursine property rights.

 
Lakeesha Shaidle
 

If Canada can ship Agar and Frum and Steyn to us, can’t we force them to take the Doughy Pantload? I mean, we’re supposed to be into fair trade.

 
 

CrazyDrumGuy said,

March 29, 2008 at 4:39

What a moran. He says on page 2 that America was the first nation to abolish slavery!

Seriously? He’s not even close. We abolished the slave trade in 1808 and then slavery in 1865. If we only count countries that abolished slavery after 1776, we’ve got:
Scotland, Haiti, Canada, Prussia, Spain, The Netherlands, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Greece, Chile, Mexico, Bolivia, British Empire, Uraguay, Argentina, Tunisia, Sweden, Denmark, Peru, Moldavia, and probably a few I missed because the list wasn’t formatted well.

Dumbfuck is from Canada, yet he doesn’t realize his native country abolished slavery before the US.

And as for Mexico, the only reason why Texas seceded from Mexico was because slavery was abolished, but the Texans wanted to keep their slaves.

 
 

wait a minute. CANADA has a south??????

 
 

Woodrowfan said,

March 29, 2008 at 16:40

wait a minute. CANADA has a south??????

Since the northern parts of Canada are barely inhabitable, Southern Canada is sort of like Southern Tennessee: a very narrow strip of land.

But seriously, Canada does have its huge “redneck” areas. Most notably, Alberta, which is essentially like Texas with its oil fields and ranch lands.

 
 

How much larger does he think America’s investment in those areas can get?

We could always provide healthcare for the approximately 47 million uninsured Americans.

 
White Male, Jew of Liberal Fascism
 

With the US dollar as low as it is, it’s just going to get easier and easier for Canada to send us their wingnuts. Soon they will be bulk shipping them and flooding the market! We need trade protection barriers now!

Ha ha— our revenge for the US embargo on our softwood lumber, despite softwood lumber being the reason we supposedly had to be in NAFTA in the first place.

BTW, thanks to all my American friends, for hosting former Canadian newspaper baron Conrad Black so generously at your federal prison in Coleman, Florida.

 
 

BTW, thanks to all my American friends, for hosting former Canadian newspaper baron Conrad Black so generously at your federal prison in Coleman, Florida.

It’s worth it to see Mark Steyn cry.

 
 

I am now available to debate ursine property rights on television.

 
 

But seriously, Canada does have its huge “redneck” areas.

Not in comparison with the US, no.

 
 

The fact is, blacks have never had it so good. They should shut up and stop whining and work harder. However, that’s also what the champion of all the supposedly downtrodden, the liberals, always do. Maybe they don’t need a champion, just a kick in the ass.

Wait… liberals always shut up, stop whining, and work harder? Who doesn’t need a champion? Are “never had it so good”/downtrodden and black/liberal mutually exclusive?

Gary, you have a lot of passion, but unless you can write clearly all that we hear is, “GARY MAD! GARY WANT HURT THINGS!” I hate to see all of that energy go to waste. I suggest Strunk & White. If that is too advanced, my Colombian boyfriend might be able to tutor you, he also had to learn English as a second language.

 
 

my take…just opinion.
said, “So stop telling me everything is my fault.” Sums up the entire thing. A sound position. Something valid to address, but the premise is bad.
on racism, “it is no longer institutional in America and to the extent it exists, it runs both ways.”
its an effect of racism, making it run both ways, and I think it is found in every level. traced to slavery. Sounds like an underhanded way to dissolve the whole concept of racism. maybe he’s implying, if everybody is racism, no one is, or that they cancel each other out.
him on Bill Cosby takes us farther, saying he says “you can argue that a black man getting a tougher sentence for dealing crack than a white guy does for selling cocaine is unfair, or you could stop dealing crack!”
This is the meat. these two subscribe to the opinion that whatever the affecting circumstances of slavery were, they should not have lasted this long, or could have. That people can lift themselves up from whatever hole they were thrown into, or that we have done enough to get them out. I think it is a lack of perspective. With respect to Cosby, I’m sure he is well experienced, as I am not.
my response…stop gap measures are using discrimination, but we have to keep the situation moving forward. So, while temporary, they were and still are necessary. Sure, over time more and more people lift themselves up, but the struggle is there. This is a long road, trying to undo centuries of slavery and cultural seeding of hatred is not easy. They think its already done. This new fight will not only be for people of race, but for all people, this is the current fight. world suffrage. Time will deliver it, as long as there is some good effort, but show no patience.
“No Credit?”
you don’t want it, it comes with guilt. go stroke your ego on something else.

 
 

JD’s Handsome Son wrote
Third worlders from all sorts of crotch of the globe barbaric nations come here and prosper.

Give me your tired, your poor, your smegma, yearning to be free!

 
 

Maybe (blacks just need) a kick in the ass.

I was going to make some clever comment about this, but why bother? It’s already openly fascistic and there’s nothing I can say about it that would make it any nastier than it already is.

And as for Mexico, the only reason why Texas seceded from Mexico was because slavery was abolished, but the Texans wanted to keep their slaves.

No, not the only reason.

 
Duros Hussein 62
 

Ain’t it funny how Saul and Gary both show up here at the same time?

 
 

You think racism still doesn’t exist?

Here’s a little anecdote. I live and work in one of the most liberal cities in the country. There’s a charity organization run by the wives of local rich men and they spend a week putting on a fundraiser in an entertainment event venue. The workers who clean the building, set up the tables, run the electricity, etc. are, for the most part, African-American or Latino men. They work hard, they get good pay, they have families and SUVs and own homes and live typical middle class lives. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve heard these rich old ladies call a supervisor and ask if they could send “a boy” with an extra table, an extra chair, to empty the wastebasket, etc.

 
Duros Hussein 62
 

I started washing dishes in a diner when I was 12 years old and haven’t stopped working since. That’s 45 years with very few vacations.

You should probably take a break pretty soon.

 
 

The best part is the utter lack of coverage on the continued disaster that this country continues to be to Native Americans. It’s hard to call them Indians now due to the many people here now from the actual India, even though I know no “Native Americans” who don’t laugh at that term. They just get screwed over and over and over and don’t even get the benefit of charming racist hacks on the web hating them.

I’m just in love with this blog I discovered which reflects (in a very amateur way) all of this nonsense. They even have a photoshop of “Obama Dick”, which is supposed to refer to “Moby Dick” but rather misses the mark….they’re called The Astute Bloggers and are led by this guy who can’t lay off the caps lock. I love reciprocal photoshopping though, so this will be good practice.

Susan–yes, anything is worth seeing Steyn cry! I’ll even help in the effort if I can.

P.S. anyone else here heard of Trigeminal Neuralgia? Or been diagnosed? This is fucking painful as hell! Moreso than RELIAPUNDIT even.

 
 

With the US dollar as low as it is, it’s just going to get easier and easier for Canada to send us their wingnuts. Soon they will be bulk shipping them and flooding the market! We need trade protection barriers now!

Ha ha— our revenge for the US embargo on our softwood lumber, despite softwood lumber being the reason we supposedly had to be in NAFTA in the first place.

BTW, thanks to all my American friends, for hosting former Canadian newspaper baron Conrad Black so generously at your federal prison in Coleman, Florida.

Send the Canadian wingnuts to the sawmill…bringing the price of lumber down will help the stalled homebuilding market, and using wingnuts for lumber will help deplete the oversupply of wingnut bloviators…not to mention that if they continue to give off hot air when assembled into the wall and floor framing of a home, we may be looking at a green solution!!!

 
 

Does this moron not see anything wrong with the fact that he doesn’t even have to think about the oppression of minorities or actively help in “keeping them down” (no wait, he helps by spreading crap like his little article on the web…silly me)? It takes a nation of millions, baby. Think about it Mr. Agar, if you can spare a thought about that subject even.

 
 

Duros Hussein 62 said,

March 29, 2008 at 18:34

Ain’t it funny how Saul and Gary both show up here at the same time?

It’s a coinkydense, I tell ya!

 
 

Speaking of highly offensive people, it’s the angry little talking penis.

I mean, James Carville.

 
 

Oh my god, is this asshole from Canada? *sob*

Looks like we’re gonna have to put together an “I’m sorry, America” card for all the fools and talentless swine we’ve sent your way. You did get John Candy, Eugene Levy, and Dan Akroyd so there’s a little silver on the dark cloud.

 
 

Looks like we’re gonna have to put together an “I’m sorry, America” card for all the fools and talentless swine we’ve sent your way. You did get John Candy, Eugene Levy, and Dan Akroyd so there’s a little silver on the dark cloud.

Yeah, but we also got Celine Dion, Loverboy, and Pamela Anderson from Canada too. Though the latter’s enormous fake breasts are all-American.

 
 

One of the first albums I bought when me and my little brother got a record player was from Bachman Turner Overdrive.

I might still have it somewhere. Hanx, Canada!

 
Duros Hussein 62
 

And don’t forget Rush. Though I’m not sure if that would be on the pro list or the con.

 
 

Gary sez:They should shut up and stop whining and work harder.

Whoa, Gary! Three things at once? Considering how you feel about “blacks”, your expectations are way high. Start them off easy, maybe with the “shut up”. That way you can keep pretending that these problems don’t actually exist.

 
 

But what what if our Brave Warriors are black? Are they losing the war in Iraq because they are lazy and stupid? Doesn’t that contradict our Greatest Fighting Force in the World meme? Are these people telling our troops to shut up?!?

I’m so confused!

 
 

Don’t forget about me, eh? Born to be Wild, bitches!

 
 

I went over to the site and checked out the comments.

Whoa, Nelly, what a parade of tirade. There are a LOT of
cranky white folks in the country. I’m glad I don’t know many
of them. I _do_ know more than a few black people, though
(including my husband and our kids) and having to put up with
rampant foolery like Agar’s can’t be good for them. Fortunately,
most of them (black people, that is) take the time to find out if
a given white person is a rampant fool first, before judging them.
Awfully big of them, given historical examples and all.

 
 

In the lab where I once worked the mice would often get angry when their sugar water was fucked with. Having a black man who talks about racism threaten to become President (and make no mistake– Obama’s campaign is like a physical threat to these guys) is souring the sweet, sweet drip of white supremacy. I’m just glad that American candidate for the American presidency John McCain is here to be the American Americans have been looking for while residing in America…
America!!!

 
 

I started washing dishes in a diner when I was 12 years old and haven’t stopped working since. That’s 45 years with very few vacations.

Must be one of those 24-hour diners.

The strange thing is, they serve everything on paper plates.

 
 

Digby has a McCain post up.

This is where all that bonhomie on the old Straight Talk Express really pays off. He can literally say anything and the press will excuse it because they think he’s their cynical, postmodern pal — a Rorschach test for their own beliefs. When he gets “angry” at lobbyists or rightwing ministers he’s telling the truth. When he cozies up to lobbyists and seeks the endorsement of rightwing ministers, it’s because he *has* to, (and he really, really hates doing it.) John McCain’s heart, you see, is always in the right place, and oddly enough, everyone believes it’s in the same place as is their own.

 
 

I get angry when people mess with my sugar water too. New Coke was idiotic.

Of course the press gives McCain a pass. They did the same with Bush and Reagan. The Elite Press love the Elite Establishment. The solution here is very, very simple. Treat the media like dirt in public, and flatter and get them drunk in private.

Next problem?

 
 

John McCain terrifies me. It’s not just his entire worldview is mired in post-world war II american exceptionalism and his understanding of how the world works today isn’t just flawed, it’s deeply lacking. No. And it’s not just that he sees every problem through a military prism, believing that a credible threat of forceful coercion will cause all foreign leaders, both government and extragovernmental, to bend quickly to his will. And it’s not even just that in order to get from the perceived McCain of 2000 to the 2008 Republican presidential nominee he has had to make so many deals, offer so many compromises and hand out so many chits that his entire presidency would be one long payout. Nope.

It’s that he’s broken. The hardwired mechanism that allows for thoughtful judgment, reasoned decision-making and even-handed, proportional response was hammered relentlessly for the years of his brutal captivity. His wheels are bent and his rails are loose. Now I don’t say this in a mean spirited way. I have tremendous empathy for what he went through, and great respect for his survival and how he’s managed to live afterwards. But this isn’t county dogcatcher. The president has enormous power, and acting impulsively can cause events to spiral out of control. There are enough unintended consequences without taking ill-considered, precipitous actions.

Nope. I can no more see him in that position than I can see me in that position. At some point you have to accept that there are certain line-in-the-sand disqualifiers, and he possesses one. And the fact that a lot of americans either can’t see that or are genuinely excited by the prospect is even scarier.

mikey

 
 

I’m not racist. I just don’t like black people.

 
 

We’re not racists. We think you all are delicious.

 
 

Poor kitties. Let’s give Jonah a real job. He can look after kitties and give the rest of the world a break. Let the little wingnuts get their hate on without a pseudohistorical doorstop to quote from.

 
 

Your Gray Alien Overlords said,

March 29, 2008 at 21:55

Poor kitties. Let’s give Jonah a real job. He can look after kitties and give the rest of the world a break. Let the little wingnuts get their hate on without a pseudohistorical doorstop to quote from.

Yes, but at some point, Jonah’s going to run into a kitler.

 
 

Hey now, Dave Foley makes up for anything bad out of Canada, and the rest of the Kids are like credit. Just my $.02.

Mikey, I hear you. Broken. Completely. And during his last bid for Pres he was just broken all the more. But hell, though I have nothing but respect for what he went through in Nam, when did he get back? I don’t know if I was yet born. People my age want someone who identifies with the reality of now and of us. I just don’t like Hillary so much, she sounds like every woman of those views of her generation yet with a more grating voice.

Nothing against Baby Boomers and all, and plenty of that age group (such as here) aren’t stuck in the 60s/early 70s. For people like me though, there is just no connection to this. For my sibling, 7 years my junior, there is absolutely no connection. Nothing. More than anything, people in my age bracket just seem to feel sorry for McCain, though determined that he won’t win. And they want Bush dead (or at least impeached).

 
 

Boo hoo. When people think of Canadian bands, nobody ever remembers us.

 
 

Sorry Triumph. Think about how Gordon Lightfoot feels! He’s “on his 2nd cup of coffee and he still can’t face the day”!

OK, my husband just informed me that I am perhaps the last person with web service to have only now discovered Townhall.com, but that site is horrible!!! The article on ABC News and being “Born Gay” is post-worthy for me, and the rest is would probably accept donations from my collection of 3rd Reich currency (my Grandfather brought it back, I’m not that weird just cause I’m an Azagthoth).

Holy fuck! My browser crashed, but I need to go back there and check it out some more. It’s like Obi-Wan on Mos Isley over there, complete “hive of scum and villainy”! I was depressed about this face pain thing and all, but I think Townhall.com is clinching that mood for good.

Trigeminal Neuralgia VS. Townhall.com = still undecided.

Lightfoot, well, he just sucks.

 
 

Not only is Townhall horrible, it’s also the world’s shittiest website!

 
 

Where’s Bobby?

 
 

*sigh* Canada is sending their wingnuts down here so they don’t have to listen to them up there.

And I am _so_ disappointed I passed out just when the butthole monsters thread started to get really interesting. Dang. Er, damn.

 
 

Can’t say anything bad about the bacon though.

 
 

PeeJ said,

March 29, 2008 at 23:42

*sigh* Canada is sending their wingnuts down here so they don’t have to listen to them up there.

We’ll have to fight them over there, so we won’t have to fight them here… or something like that.

 
 

We’re never forgiving you for Lorne Greene, you know.

 
 

Wait – that doughhead is in the White Community?

There goes the neighborhood!

 
 

Joni Mitchell may stay.
Joni Mitchell must stay.

Keep your filthy White House burning hands off her! She’s ours now!

 
 

Yeah, but we also got Celine Dion, Loverboy, and Pamela Anderson from Canada too. Though the latter’s enormous fake breasts are all-American.

HEY! Pamela Anderson’s pro PETA stance completely redeems her IMO. “Barb Wire” is worth seeing too. She doesn’t seem to take her persona too seriously.

 
 

I think Pamela redeemed herself with her appearnace in Borat.

 
 

g said,

March 30, 2008 at 0:21

I think Pamela redeemed herself with her appearnace in Borat.

How bout some tooltime?

We who are about to ROCK, salute you.

 
 

Don’t forget Pamela Anderson’s literary accomplishments.

A good question for all writers to ask themselves: “Do I want this to be read aloud onstage by Bea Arthur?”

 
White Male, Jew of Liberal Fascism
 

You cruel bastards leave Gordon Lightfoot alone.

If you really must pick on a Canadian, how about Stompin’ Tom Connors or Geddy Lee?

 
 

What a moran. He says on page 2 that America was the first nation to abolish slavery!

To be fair, he said one of the first, but I saw that coming a mile away. Conservatives always congratulate the US for abolishing slavery. [Unless you were a slave,] it doesn’t matter exactly when slavery was abolished, ’cause we’re all free now.
But let’s just make it sound like America was on top of the problem. And that stuff about whites dying for it (killed by other Americans), I have no idea how to make that seem even TownHall groovy.

 
White Male, Jew of Liberal Fascism
 

… or Paul Anka. Or Anne Murray.

But not Gordy. Please.

 
White Male, Jew of Liberal Fascism
 

Um, Could everybody please forget all my previous suggestions and just pick on Tom Green?

Thank you.

 
 

Sorry, I just don’t like the Lightfoot. Anne Murray, totally agreed though.

J–it’s horrible! I think that The Astute Bloggers is far worse as a website, but then I’m in a flame war with RELIAPUNDIT, whoever the hell he is. This Townhall place is absolutely revolting! If I hadn’t just taken this Lyrica stuff for my nerve damage and didn’t feel stoned as hell, I’d post on it, but there’s too much even then to post on! Ugh!

I’m going to make another blogroll for sites I hate, and this one’s on there ASAP. What a load of Pantload, and Pantload is actually there too!!! Effing “born gay agenda” my brown ass! And same to their pleasant thoughts on slavery! They’d have laughed at Geller’s little slavery joke about Pastor Wright and Obama, that “Master/Pastor” crap (don’t know how to do strike-throughs, sorry)! I can’t believe there are people who think that shit is funny!

OK, I’m back to feeling stoned now. I need to read that VDH article now. Love the new nickname, BTW. Damn, without Sadly, No! I’d never be up on half of this crap.

 
 

Okay, I’m pressed for time because I’m going out tonight to see Bruce Fucking Springsteen and I can barely contain myself nor read all of the comments nor for fuck’s sake the original article so I’ll just toss this out there and let it lay on the ground and stink…you can discuss or not as you wish.

What he says? About getting in there and trying? And reading books and helping your kids read books? That’s all exactly true. Ideally, everybody should be doing these kind of enrichment things with their kids.

What he misses, as is usual with these asshats, is that the parents of these kids are probably working at least two jobs just to get by. Their husband or boyfriend is as likely as not to be or have been in jail. The parents probably weren’t given that kind of model of what proper parenting should be.

That is the problem in my eyes. How can we help these people who almost all want their kids to succeed where they have struggled get their kids onto the right track? And how is that not a good place to put public money?

And apropos of nothing much, but yet tangential to the issue…my son plays for an award-winning high school jazz band. You know how many black kids are in his band? One. You know how many black kids are in the other award-winning jazz bands in the area (and there are a surprising number of national award winning HS jazz bands in the area)? You could count them using the fingers of one hand.

Why? Because the black parents don’t have the money to buy instruments and private lessons for their kids. So who plays jazz these days? Rich white kids. That makes me sad somehow.

 
 

How bout some tooltime?

Good Christ no.

 
 

Gimme an “R”!

 
 

OneMan:

I am *so* jealous. I had to forgo seeing the Boss last night at the Rose Garden. I’m radioactive….

Anyway, one of the many things these douchebags always neglect to mention is that parental involvement is a race issue only in so far as class is a race issue.

 
 

Ever done any time? Even county time?

I’ve talked to hundreds of black and latino kids doing their first or second stretch inside. And virtually all of them have the same story. The family legends? The people who are looked up to, admired, emulated? They’re the uncles and brothers and dads who got mobbed up, tatted up, did hard time or got shot. Those are the selection criteria for sainthood. Those are the role models. Occasionally you’d find out that one sibling here or there got a college degree and got out. No admiration, no respect for that. It’s just books. Books are stupid. A waste of time. And part of that is those educated brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles just don’t come around anymore. They have a peaceful life, they don’t want more of the chaos and violence and addiction and ignorance.

Until there are effective programs that can reach out to these kids while they are still young enough to make them recognize the futility of a life incarcerated and the opportunity an education provides, and then programs that actually make that education possible, it’s all just a lot of talking. You’re competing with the dashing outlaw, batman, the guy who defied them all.

Volunteer in your local county jail or MinSec penitentery. They’re looking for people to run programs. Because of my felonies, there’s lots of things I can’t qualify for. But I’ll promise you this. You’ll come away with the goddamdest feeling of accomplishment and futility you’ve ever known. Even if you are a superstar, and you save one or two, it’s a little like pissing on hell…

mikey

 
 

I didn’t help the Asian children either. How are they doing?

The Great Gazoogle informs me that Hmong children in California are struggling. Montagnard children in North Carolina are gaining a reputation for showing little interest in the education system. Afghani children face problems from bigotry.
Was Agar wondering about any particular group of Asian children?

 
 

those black folks who still have the bee in the mouth.
If they still have not learned to shoot the bees from their mouths, there is no hope for them.

 
 

Volunteer in your local county jail or MinSec penitentery. They’re looking for people to run programs. Because of my felonies, there’s lots of things I can’t qualify for. But I’ll promise you this. You’ll come away with the goddamdest feeling of accomplishment and futility you’ve ever known. Even if you are a superstar, and you save one or two, it’s a little like pissing on hell…

mikey

Frankly, mikey, I for one would be happy to vote for YOU as our preznit.

As it is, I’m voting Obama.

 
 

we’re gonna have to put together an “I’m sorry, America” card for all the fools and talentless swine we’ve sent your way. You did get John Candy, Eugene Levy, and Dan Akroyd so there’s a little silver on the dark cloud.

Yeah, but we also got Celine Dion, Loverboy, and Pamela Anderson from Canada too.

Yeah but, any trade imbalance is equaled out – maybe even tilted in the favor or Canada – when you factor in Katee Sackhoff, Tricia Helfer and Tahmoh Penikett.

Somebody owes someone for Jamie Bamber, I figure.

 
 

PeeJ: sorry to hear you missed The Boss. The show was awesome. You people go out and get Magic right now, it’s a kickass buncha music. He had a few things to say about the past 8 years, too.

Mikey, I’ve never done time. I have no idea how to break the cycle, I just know that these people we’re talking about need the tools and some hope that they can make it.

They sure don’t need some white nutbar yelling at them about how all of their problems are their moral failing.

Whoever mentioned BTO, since you have one of their albums, you pretty much have all of their albums. The Guess Who did some pretty good work though.

Neil Young is Canadian and I wanna keep him too!

 
 

Yes, but if Jesus had seen how low they wear their pants and all that, would not even His patience have turned?

Very truely I tell you. Unless you pull up your pants and stop listening to that jungle music, God will fucking hate you.

 
 

People, please learn to write with proper grammar. Some of you have the grammar skills of a 5 year old. I think you should be more concerned about your writing skills – rather wasting your energy calling white men racist. As far I’m concerned, their are racist people in every race.

 
 

Jerry Agar, You are a true Patriot.

 
From the Caucus Mountains
 

Asians (the Chinese, specifically) are the only ethnic group that has ever been banned from immigrating to the United States. Chinese and Irish immigrants suffered terrible conditions while building the transcontinental railroad. I can’t remember the last time I heard a Chinese or Irish person remind me that my 6th cousin ten times removed forced his or her great great grandfather to lay rail without adequate food or pay. Oh, wait, I forgot…I’m a quarter Irish. I guess a quarter of me ought to feel really alienated and marginalized. Hmmm.

Luckily, that was all back in the 19th century.

Will Chattel Slavery still be an issue in 2100? 2200? The short answer: yes, if you continue to make it one. Obviously, however, there is a point where it ceases to be a legitimate bitch. Many white folks, myself included, believe we have already reached that point.

 
 

How nice that you’ve decided what other people can be legitimately upset about, and that multiple generations of kidnapping, rape, and forced labor, then decades of government-mandated discrimination in addition to the private, freelance sort, are no worse than what your Irish ancestors faced. It must be maddening that no one cares what you think.

P.S. to Donald: “there”.

 
 

Some of you have the grammar skills of a 5 year old… … As far I’m concerned, their are racist people in every race.

Hee hee…

mikey

 
 

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