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Let’s Go To Our Experts
Well, I thought ol’ Barry hit it clear out of the park today.
Not to favor a candidate or anything, but I’ll tell you: What you don’t realize going into some of these Obama speeches — not all of them, certainly, but the occasional really good, custom-made ones — is that you’re going to come out the other end slightly smarter and better-adjusted, and feeling like you’re part of a historic moment.
I mean, sure you realize that: You start off all like, “Welp, here’s Obama again with that thing of his, trying to make me feel like I’m part of a quote-unquote historic moment, and so forth.” But then you settle in and listen, and soon you’re like, “Wait a second. Despite the fact that I’m not, so to speak, buying into any big, whole Obama thing, and don’t actually feel like I’m part of any giant, rolling Obama Borg-whatsis, it’s starting to seem, despite these objective facts, which are real, like this actually is kind of a historic moment, here, with Barry and what he’s saying.”
(I’m adding this passage later, by the way. What it is, is this: You just don’t want to have your heart broken again. But you listen to Obama for a while, and it’s like, “Well, why not? What else are hearts for?”)
Barack Obama - ‘The Race Speech’ (37:39)
Then again, what do I know? Here’s some analysis from the agents of spite and hopelessness at Free Republic:
Great speech if you believe America is the cause of all evil in the world.
5 posted on 03/18/2008 1:09:16 PM PDT by rocksblues (Tagline on hold)
“We the people, in order to form a more perfect union…”
That is NOT from the Declaration of Independence.
That is the beginning of the Constitution…
The would-be President does not know his American history.
Obama says those words were from the Declaration of Independence in 1787…1
GET IT RIGHT OBAMA!!!!!
8 posted on 03/18/2008 1:10:51 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer (”We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless.” W 2001)
HEY OBAMA:
Here are the opening words from our beautiful Declaration of Independence…
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
11 posted on 03/18/2008 1:13:39 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer (”We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless.” W 2001)
The black community has a wide chip on their collective shoulders as they look at us Whiteys almost daring us to knock it off.
12 posted on 03/18/2008 1:14:45 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
He is simply pastor wrights’ “Baghdad Bob.”
Spin it all you want b. HUSSEIN obama.
16 posted on 03/18/2008 1:20:16 PM PDT by Larebil (My name is liberal backwards, since they backwards thinking)
our original sin of slavery
Well, I’ll give him that. If slavery had not occurred, we’d have no black civil rights victimhood industry today. We’ve reaped what we sowed. Should have left them all in Africa.
26 posted on 03/18/2008 1:34:20 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great…(until it happens to YOU).)
the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today’s black and white students . . .
Obama needs to explain how some of the greatest black minds in the history of this nation overcame vastly greater hardships. Booker T. Washington founded Tuskegee Institute, which has educated several generations. George Washington Carver discovered scores of uses for the peanut which pulled generations of southern farmers out of the poverty cycle. Garrett A. Morgan invented the gas mask which saved countless lives during World War I. Thomas Sowell is arguably the most brilliant economist alive today.2 He educated Clarence Thomas, one of the brightest minds on today’s supreme court.3
Not one of these five is held out as a role model for young blacks today.4 Not one was given a pass because of affirmative action or quotas. Not one was a protest leader. And not one of this group blamed “whitey” for the adverse circumstances in which they were educated.
Most likely all five on this list (certainly the two still living) would propose a solution for inferior black schools which Obama would quickly dismiss– vouchers and free market solutions rather than continuing to pump more and more tax money into the NEA sinkhole.
27 posted on 03/18/2008 1:59:26 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
1 From transcript: “Farmers and scholars; statesmen and patriots who had traveled across an ocean to escape tyranny and persecution finally made real their declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted through the spring of 1787.”
2 !!??
3 !!!???
4 Okay, sure, almost every sentence in this brief essay is false, and la-di-da, and so forth. But what’s astounding is the variety of different falsehoods all jammed together at acute angles. Could you even do this if you tried? It’s like a kind of negative genius.
D. Aristophanes adds: Best Freeper comment evar:
In my limited experience with women, one’s that are grievance based like his spouse, carry that grievance into every aspect of their lives.
30 posted on 03/18/2008 2:12:20 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
Notorious P.A.T. said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:18
I just can’t believe that more black Americans aren’t members of the Republican party! It’s unfathomable.
eataTREE said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:19
Close div tag, please.
Notorious P.A.T. said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:19
Notorious P.A.T. said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:20
Testing, testing.
nightjar said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:21
Can’t you feel the love.
Moophisto said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:22
I just can’t believe that more black Americans aren’t members of the Republican party! It’s unfathomable.
INCONTHEIVABLE!
The Critic said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:25
the freepers lack basic comprehension skills in reading/listening.
Candy said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:25
How can these racist fucktards take that attitude toward that excellent speech? What is wrong with them? Gah!! I feel like if we could just figure out the particular mental disorder that causes freepers to be freepers it could be treated.
For some reason, the comments and my typing in the comment box is very, very tiny. The post itself looks normal, except for footnote 4.
El Cid said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:26
BOOOORING!!! Sure Obama’s speech was “magic” and “transcendent” and all that.
But it is just all his programming from his Indonesian madrassa Taliban trainers who are just USING HIM to take over America for the Muslimexicans.
Typical Republican said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:26
Look, just because the most vocal Republicans are fuckwad dumbass racists, and just because the people we elect are fuckwad dumbass racist douchebags, and just because all our policies make us all look like a bunch of fuckwad dumbass racist douchebag ass hats, it doesn’t mean ALL of us are fuckwads, dumbasses, racists, douchebags, ass hats AND nitwits!
Way to paint with a broad brush, eh, liberals?
Whatever happened to TOLERANCE, huh?!?!?!?
Liberals. Hmf.
Kathleen said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:29
Footnote 4 is awfully funny geniusy.
Smut Clyde said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:30
Do not ask the Great Gazoogle about “Garrett Morgan gas mask”. Do not go there. The amount of froth and spittle brought up by those four words will overwhelm your screen.
RodeoBob said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:32
Tuskegee… Tuskegee… something about that town… some reason why I, if I were a Republican, wouldn’t bring it up in a conversation about civil rights… why would that be?
tigrismus said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:35
(My name is liberal backwards, since they backwards thinking)
At least we grammar knowing.
Jennifer, home with the flu said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:36
I’ll say it again: before this is all over and done in November, they’ll have one or more 527 groups running ads in heavy rotation that say, “don’t vote for the n***er”.
That’s what’s in their genetic makeup.
It ain’t gonna work this time. Racist though the country may still be, we’ve moved beyond the day when a majority were comfortable with blatant unabashed racism - hence the GOP “dogwhistle” politics of the past 40 years. They never called anyone “nigger” because they could accomplish the same thing with “welfare queen” “welfare cadillac” and “politics of victimhood”.
By the time November rolls around and the Bushtowns/Chimpyvilles all over the country are burgeoning, no one, not even these ignorant dorks, are gonna buy into the idea that the reason they no longer have a home is because of the blacks, the mexicans, or the queers.
It’s gonna be really ugly, but it’s not going to work.
About the speech itself: first, the Republicans destroyed their own “he’s an islamofascist MUSLIM ooga-booga man!” talking point with their heavy rotation of “ZOMG, his minister hates Amurka!” And then Obama shitcanned the new talking point with this speech…while at the same time, giving both Obama and all of his surrogates the perfect opportunity to say in all media interviews, when asked a stupid question (does our media ask any other kind?) “oh, you must be one of those people who wants to continue to quibble over distractions, rather than address the real issues we face.”
He completely pwn3d those bitches.
MrWonderful said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:38
“Obama needs to explain how some of the greatest black minds in the history of this nation overcame vastly greater hardships. ”
This is Wingnut Logic a la Moron Avec Sauce Stupide: show that the exception not only “proves” the rule, but DISPROVES the rule.
(Which, btw, OBAMA “needs” to explain.)
Negative genius is right.
El Cid said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:41
I think more properly their complaint would be that they want to be fuckwad dumbass racist douchebags but don’t believe anyone should have the right to treat them them like the fuckwad dumbass racist douchebags they want to be.
nightjar said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:42
And then there’s the faint praise of the Nuthouse Nincompoop
By Rick Moran
Barack Obama gave a powerful and uplifting speech in Philadelphia today, the immediate purpose of whch was to put behind him the issues raised by the hateful remarks of his pastor, Jeremiah Wright.
I believe he did so. But at a price that opens him up to a charge he has been trying to avoid since he began his historic run for the presidency: that he is a far left Democratic liberal who sees the government as the solution to most of the nation’s problems.
—-
Nothing but an evil liberal benieth it all. Oh well– nevermind.
SomeNYGuy said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:45
The taxpayer-funded bailout of our Wall Street geniuses should completely dismantle the whole right-wing “welfare queen” meme. And these new privileged, white male “welfare queens” literally drive luxury cars, unlike Reagan’s fictional racist caricatures.
SamFromUtah said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:47
they’ll have one or more 527 groups running ads in heavy rotation that say, “don’t vote for the n***er”.
You know it. And I think Obama will handle it skillfully.
Maybe by singing that he’s the President of the United States of Love.
kiki said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:47
Raaar. Bizarro Liberal am backwards thinking.
El Cid said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:48
Yeah. I want to see the Republicans try to make electoral hay out of “Scary Big Government” when Wall Street’s ass is falling down to its ankles thanks to Republican de-regulation again.
What’s that Republican fuckwads? You don’t like Big Government? Fine. Have JP Morgan give back the $30 Billion the U.S. government gave it to take over Bear Stearns.
What’s that? You wanna privatize Social Security? How ’bout a big “Fuck You We Don’t Need Any More Giant Republican Multi-Trillion Dollar Fucking Scam Losses”.
I say let them bring it all the fuck on.
Bring it ON, you Reaganite FUCKS! YOUR TIME IS NOW!!
another jim said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:51
Maybe a few more footnotes, even…
“Not one was given a pass because of affirmative action or quotas.” 5
5 - Thomas did benefit from affirmative action.
And as if all Black conservatives aren’t fulfilling any part of being a quota within the GOP. Riiiiiiiight.
“And not one of this group blamed “whitey” for the adverse circumstances in which they were educated.” <sup6
6 - Thomas did blame whitey. He just blamed whitey in the form of white liberals.
another jim said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:51
Tried superscript, didn’t work in the comments - ah, well.
Max Renn said,
March 18, 2008 at 23:52
I had no idea that David Mamet posted at Free Republic under the screen-name Vigilanteman! It’s a revalation, let me tell you!
Gavin M. said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:01
[updated a little bit, btw]
Barry Goldwater said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:07
Freepers are too fucking stupid to distinguish between the D of I and the Constitution, even when it’s clearly fucking stipulated by the use of the fucking date. WHAT. A. FUCKING. SHOCK.
Rugged in Montana said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:07
Heh. How does Barrack Osama expect to win an election against the greatest President of the USA of America, George W. Bush? Is Osama a jet pilot hero of the Iraq War, fighting El Kydah in jet missions on the war of terror? No, I didn’t think so! He’s not even a white person!!
What are you LIE-bruls thinking of, anyway? Who gave you the right to surrender the heartland to El Kydah when you could be voting for an American War President? Idiot communists!!
Jennifer, home with the flu said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:08
Good update.
I’ll risk having my heart broken to have someone speak to me as the rational adult that I am.
Principal Blackman said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:11
by Larebil (My name is liberal backwards, since they backwards thinking)
As the great Steve Martin said, some people have a way with words, and some…have not way.
But after reading the Freeperocity, I too am left scratching my head wondering why the GOP can’t seem to get many Black people in their party. It sure is a mystery!
Legalize said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:14
Shorter Obama: Been there; met them; talked to them; done it; seen it. Bring it.
Patkin said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:14
So, Bush is running for a third time? Pretty sure that’s not allowed since you crazy Republicans thought FDR wanted to become king.
kmeyer said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:16
“(I’m adding this passage later, by the way. What it is, is this: You just don’t want to have your heart broken again. But you listen to Obama for a while, and it’s like, “Well, why not? What else are hearts for?”)”
Gavin, this is a crowning achievement in emotional intelligence (not that I think you’re behind the curve; far from it). The point is not that humans want their hearts broken, it is that they are so capable of loving that they can take risks and realize that even a 50/50 split is win/win; that emotional growth will spring from 100% of the outcomes, if given intelligently as well as emotionally. I am experiencing the same thing with this particular speech as well as with “Barry’s” entire campaign. So, if at some later date things fall apart (and I sincerely hope and think they won’t, please please please), you will know that you have a fucking heart because it fucking fucking hurts. You will be one up on many.
Gary Ruppert said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:17
The fact is, HUSSEIN Obama hate the USA. So why would he want to be president, other than to destroy it? His wife hates it even more, sounds embarassed to be a citizen of the most powerful nation on earth in history. Leave then.
Gary Ruppert said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:19
The fact is, the government did NOT give welfare to anyone on wall street. This assistance is need to permit an orderly market transition and avoid inflation, which would be a real disaster for the investor class, which is YOU (64% of all US) so stop the class warfare already.
in the tank for Obama as of today said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:19
I’ll risk having my heart broken to have someone speak to me as the rational adult that I am.
Exactly. That was the thing that really amazed me: a politician talking to his audience about a serious subject like they are adults. More of that, please.
Legalize said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:20
GArY’s gotten into the peppermint schnaps again.
Rugged in Montana said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:20
So, Bush is running for a third time? Pretty sure that’s not allowed since you crazy Republicans thought FDR wanted to become king.
President Bush is a WAR President, in case you haven’t been paying attention to the war (both the war of terror and the Iraq war. And the North Korean war), so pay attention LIE-brul, this is the USA of America, not Russia like you’d like it to be!
Gary Ruppert said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:21
The fact is my stocks rebounded a little thanks to the latest Fed devaluation of the dollar, er, interest rate cut…
Susan of Texas said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:22
The truth is, Gary, that YOU hate America. You hate its schools, its entertainment industry, its method of dealing with the old and poor. You hate the coasts and the south. You hate its immigrants. You hate its universities. You hate most of its elected representatives. You hate its culture. You hate its laws.
You hate America. So go to one of your beloved countries where dissent means death and nobody will ever disagree with you, unless they want to die.
Patkin said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:24
The fact is, the Republican party hates the U.S. government. So why would any of them wish to be politicians, other than to destroy the government?
And further, most of their constituents hate it even more, wanting to secede and create their own pockets of the country at the expense of one of the top three for most powerful nations on earth at the current moment.
Maybe THEY should leave then.
Galactic Dustbin said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:25
But at a price that opens him up to a charge he has been trying to avoid since he began his historic run for the presidency: that he is a far left Democratic liberal who sees the government as the solution to most of the nation’s problems.
yes because only a goddamn dirty hippy wants kids of all races to be well educated.
Gary Ruppert said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:29
The fact is, si tcaf ehT
Rugged in Montana said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:30
yes because only a goddamn dirty hippy wants kids of all races to be well educated.
Amen, brother! I’m glad to finally see a kindred soul onboard here. (No offense Gary…..but some of the things you say sound, well, crazy).
Susan of Texas said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:30
Yeah, liberals aren’t the ones bragging that they’re going to destroy the government. Conservatives are.
Gary doesn’t want clean water or air, safe food or automobiles, a 40-day work week, or affordable health care.
Or we can just let the free hand of the market take care of all that, right Gary? If his kid or mom gets sick or killed, I’m sure he’ll take consolation knowing that death will be a cautionary tale to someone somewhere.
Don’t worry, Gary nothing bad will ever happen to you because you are on the right side. Nothing bad ever happens to good Patriots.
John O said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:31
I’m with Gavin. As cynical as I am about these things, the man moves me.
You have to try.
It was the most honest speech I’ve seen from a politician in a long, long time.
Also, why doesn’t he get any props for being, you know, half-white?
Snort said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:34
…sees the government as the solution to most of the nation’s problems.
As opposed to Bush’s government which is the cause of most of them.
Garius Ruppertus said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:34
Factum est, factum est.
Patkin said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:38
John O:
Having many idiot racists for family, the reason he doesn’t get credit for being half-white is because he’s half-black. So he either has to demand he’s called a white president, or he’s a liar.
Kind of the reverse of the one-drop rule, I guess.
John O said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:43
Thanks, Patkin.
As good an explanation as I’m likely to get, I think.
Weird, though. Imagine the GOP heads exploding all over the south if Condi were the GOP nominee. A black woman.
It would’ve been comedy gold.
John O said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:47
Something that rarely gets brought up is what I consider to be a pretty indisputable fact: Good oration is a Presidential job requirement, to move the public, and the international community.
Words matter.
Bush is example One.
PeeJ said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:54
I got my weekly e-mail from Pat Buchanan today. [because "know thy enemy", that's why]. Title: Pator to the President?
Should I make myself read it, I wonder?
r4d20 said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:54
Can “Former MSM viewer” even READ?? Obama didn’t say the words were in the Declaration of Independence and was CLEARLY talking about the Constitutional convention and the document it created - the constitution.
Its so funny watching people bash mistakes that exist only in their heads!
PeeJ said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:58
*meep* “Pastor”
in the tank for Obama as of today said,
March 19, 2008 at 0:59
Also, Obama used to teach constitutional law at the U. of Chicago, so I imagine he’s pretty familiar with the text.
Caitlyn Sith said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:02
Barry hits a graceful home run, and somehow it’s not a steroid story– sweet.
gbear said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:03
By the time November rolls around and the Bushtowns/Chimpyvilles all over the country are burgeoning, no one, not even these ignorant dorks, are gonna buy into the idea that the reason they no longer have a home is because of the blacks, the mexicans, or the queers.
Hate to bring up this topic, but what do you think the GOP can come up with to prevent people without addresses from voting in November?
Maculum Clyde said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:07
What I learned from the Great Gazoogle today:
The accomplishments of Booker T. Washington, George Washington Carver and Garrett A. Morgan are widely held up as motivating examples for Black Americans…
…Except that there’s a whole Intertube of websites, spread out along the political spectrum from republican to Stormfront, which deny those accomplishments and accuse liberals of falling into the soft-bigotry / low-expectations trap (apart from those websites which accuse liberals of treating blacks unfairly by giving them an unrealistic picture of their capabilities)…
…And now there’s Vigilanteman above, who has looped around in an Immelmann turn so he can come up behind the liberals, thereby catching them in the act of suppressing the accomplishments of Washington, Carver & Morgan.
Surely he deserves a prize.
Use value said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:10
[...] M., of Sadly No!, on Obama: You just don’t want to have your heart broken again. But you listen to Obama for a while, and [...]
christian aaron said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:10
guys… um, you don’t have to go to wing nut locations to see this stuff…. just go to No Quarter, Larry Johnson’s blog, and you will see the same things from so-called Democrats. enjoy!! it’s a disgusting display of ‘my candidate is better than yours, and if mine doesn’t get to be the nominee, i won’t play’ …. craziness.
in the tank for Obama as of today said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:12
what do you think the GOP can come up with to prevent people without addresses from voting in November?
Good question. Fortunately, Obama also specializes in election law.
Jay B. said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:13
What, the Declaration wasn’t signed in 1787? Unpossible!
Why I distinctly remember the Gin Blossoms headlining the Bicentennial Celebration.
Marita said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:13
*meep* “Pastor”
I liked it better when I thought they actually sent out the e-mail with “Pator” in the subject line. That would have been perfect.
Jennifer, home with the flu said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:13
gbear - that has already occured to me. I don’t know the answer.
gbear said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:18
Trying to deny homeless people their vote would be actual cause for riots. I may have to take in 3000 or so roommates before the election…
PeeJ said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:20
Jennifer, you been milking that flu thing for a week now. Get over it, girl.
gbear,
Voter suppression, in the style they’ve done it the past few elections.
Diebold/ESS/et. al.
Department of Injustice indictments shortly before November.
Disenfranchisement
About the only new thing I would expect would the “terrorist attack” October surprise; martial law.
I’m stocking up on ammo.
petereugene said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:21
Hasn’t anyone here learned of the 28th amendment?
Amendment XXVIII (Ratified February 29, 2007)
Section One
No person shall utter the holy words Declaration or Independence except
in direct reference to the Declaration of Independence. Ever motherfucker!
(It was the first time an exclamation point had been used in Constitutional History!)
Section Two
The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.
Section Three
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.
It was hard fought with some give and some take but they got’erdone!
Jennifer, home with the flu said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:23
PeeJ - would that I could. This is day 5 of home with the flu…actually we’re about an hour from the beginning of day 6. At this point I’m mostly just still tired, but going back to work for at least a partial day tomorrow. I shudder to think of the atrocities committed in my absence.
PeeJ said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:24
(It was the first time an exclamation point had been used in Constitutional History!)
Must have been penned by Tom Wolfe.
Dr BLT, Recovering Troll said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:30
Okay, now I may be reading in between the lines on this thread just a bit, but I thought I picked up on a few subtle demands—demands that add to the steadily growing demands on the part of the public for me to make a statement.
I can’t believe I’m actually caving in to all of the public demands for me to make a statement.
Okay, here goes: I hereby unequivocally denounce and otherwise distance myself from all rumors that the Obama camp is trying to stop the release of a song I wrote and recorded about Obama’s 2-decade dealings with Reverend Wright—a song called “Preaching to the Choir.”
In fact, I’ll go so far as to denounce that the rumors ever existed. They do not, that is, not until now :)
Let the rumors begin and let the record begin to “spin.”
Stay tuned at:
http://www.drblt.net
gbear said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:32
dnftt
Gary Ruppert said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:37
The fact is, I hate USA schools because my probation officer told me I could go to jail if I get within 1000 feet of them.
Gary Ruppert said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:38
The fact is, liberals are biased against reality when it comes to facts. I present facts, they can’t disprove it. They come in here all emotional, use insults, leftist rage and never address my points with reasoned debate. I am so glad I was not brainwashed by a leftwing state school like so many of you. Logic is not studied by the left, but every writer who is not Shakespeare or white is. Sad.
petereugene said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:40
Must have been penned by Tom Wolfe.
I was thinking Jeb! I’ll have to go back to look.
in the tank for Obama as of today said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:40
On the occasion of one of the greatest political speeches of at least the last fifty years, naturally we need the musical accompaniment of Dr. BLT.
tontocal said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:40
“Justice Thomas, would you like to make a comment?…….”
(blank stare)
“Justice Thomas?…..”
(blinks….blank stare)
petereugene said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:43
Aw shit! I’m sitting next to Gary at the reasoned debate.
in the tank for Obama as of today said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:46
The fact is Gary’s comments reflect a definite Shakespearean influence.
Ted said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:46
“Justice Thomas, would you like to make a comment?…….”
(blank stare)
Did that happen again? During today’s arguments in front of them?
Dr BLT, Recovering Troll said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:46
“On the occasion of one of the greatest political speeches of at least the last fifty years, naturally we need the musical accompaniment of Dr. BLT.”
That’s why I never miss a speech.
It Only Hurts When I Cry
Dr BLT copyright 2008
http://www.drblt.net/music/itonlyhurts.mp3
Garius Ruppertus II said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:46
Dico, ergo est.
Victor Laslow said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:49
The Republicans have %100 of all the African-Americans who have had their names on oil tankers. If that isn’t intergration I don’t know what is….
Dr BLT, Recovering Troll said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:54
Do you have a problem with that? Just…
What Part of Right-wing Don’t You Understand?
Dr BLT
words and music by Dr BLT copyright 2004/2008 Right-wing Records
http://www.drblt.net/music/whatrightwing.mp3
tontocal said,
March 19, 2008 at 1:58
That Gary……he’s so funny!!
Jennifer, home with the flu said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:04
Aw shit! I’m sitting next to Gary at the reasoned debate.
Send him over her to sit by me, petereugene. I’ll cough on him. That will make him go away for at least 5 days.
Hairy Rupert said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:07
What’s Dr BLT’s problem now?
Gary Rumpert said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:08
How dare you Susan of Texas!! Did you not see George Bush in his codpiece on the U.S.S. Lincoln? That was when I fell in love with America all over again!!
petereugene said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:21
Send him over her to sit by me, petereugene. I’ll cough on him. That will make him go away for at least 5 days.
{{{{{Shoves Gary Jennifers way, not so gently. He’s a little slow.
He’ll be the one in the propeller beanie and the all day sucker.
Hope you’re feeling better as the bug wanes!
Treppur Yrag said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:23
The anti-fact is, I looking forward am to another eight Bizzaro-Earth rotations of President Hsug W. Egroeg.
Andre said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:26
LEFTIST RAGE!!!!!!!!!
Is that where we all go politely berserk and ask for better funding for health, welfare and education while ever-so-slightly raising our voices?
tontocal said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:30
Gary….you are such a liar!! You come here for ‘reasoned’ debate?? How dare you malign and misrepresent this site so!!! We come here, not for a ‘reasoning’ debate but a seasoning debate. So like you conservatives to try and distort everything you see and hear! We huddle here, beaten and dejected, to examine our olfactory senses, in this, our last, quiet refuge. Have you no shame sir!? At long last, have you no shame!!
Hysterical Woman said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:32
Logic is not studied by the left, but every writer who is not Shakespeare or white is.
Does that mean Shakespeare wasn’t white?
Susan of Texas said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:33
Poor Gary. He does love his bulging codpiece.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:34
Logic not studied? Sense not it makes no!
Andre said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:36
P.S. I have a bachelor’s degree in philosophy, specialising in formal logic.
Take THAT!
mikey said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:37
One day, a long time ago. I was done.
A few weeks earlier, I turned nineteen. I was exhausted, sick, hurt and scared. It had no end, and I had nothing left to carry into it’s maw. They said saddle up and roll out to the choppers for another op. Another five days in the boonies, getting sicker, getting killed.
NO. I told the LT no. I’m not going. I’m not gonna do this anymore. This is stupid, and I’m soul sick. I’m gonna lay here in this bunker, I’m gonna smoke weed, and if you wanna send me to prison, fine, fuck you, how could it be any worse.
The LT shook his head and left. A few minutes later, Sergeant Reed walked in. I’d only talked to him a few times, he was with weapons platoon. He sat down and talked to me. He didn’t bullshit me, and he didn’t try to pump me up. He talked about what we owed each other, and what I owed myself. I honestly don’t remember what his exact words were, but I remember this very clearly. When he was done, I had a feeling in my chest I didn’t recognize, but god DAMMIT I liked it. For one golden shining goddam moment, I believed in something. It wasn’t something huge, or unreachable, but it had purity and strength and somehow I know it was important. I got up and I got on that chopper, and I went on that op, and the next one, and eventually I came home. I never forgot that feeling, that transcendent moment, when just some softly spoken words cured my soul and gave me courage.
I just watched Obama’s speech on the net. And know what? I felt that again. This is a good man. Somehow, it makes you believe in - I dunno, something. Because after GW Bush, we are in need of something very special, someone who can not just end the crimes, but solve the problems. I’ve reached the conclusion that America NEEDS Barack Hussein Obama.
And nothing less…
mikey
Yoda said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:38
Stealing my syntax must goopers stop.
Gary Ruppert said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:38
The fact is Shakespeare was a black man. TRY TO DISPROVE ME, LEFTISTS!
Brandi said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:40
What’s Dr BLT’s problem now?
Misses his favorite golden nectar.
Can I piss in your mouth, Doc?
Smiling Mortician said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:44
Yeah. I’m with Gavin. Maybe Obama will break my heart, but I don’t think so. And even if he does, fuck it. The past eight years, it hasn’t been worth what it once was. All day today I kept thinking about that “message to Ralph Nader” vid on YouTube a month or so ago (couldn’t find it easily just now so no link). The part where the guy says “And doesn’t Obama make you cry sometimes? Sometimes he makes us cry.” Damn straight.
Susan of Texas said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:47
Seen a man standin’ over a dead dog lyin’ by the highway in a ditch
He’s lookin’ down kinda puzzled pokin’ that dog with a stick
Got his car door flung open he’s standin’ out on highway 31
Like if he stood there long enough that dog’d get up and run
Struck me kinda funny seem kinda funny sir to me
Still at the end of every hard earned day people find some reason to believe
tontocal said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:48
After reading mikey’s last post, I’m officially applying to be his ‘dittohead’!!
Smut Clyde said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:49
“The Left Hand of Logic” is still LeGuin’s best book.
nightjar said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:51
I’ve reached the conclusion that America NEEDS Barack Hussein Obama.
And nothing less…
mikey”
Absolutely goddamn right!
tontocal said,
March 19, 2008 at 2:53
Oh fer CHRISSAKES Yoda!…don’t start that shit up again!!!
Andre said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:03
Shakespeare couldn’t have been black, his work is discussed in schools.
Hoosier X said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:07
Does that mean if I can find five conservatives who have regular forums in broadcast media, and five conservatives who have regular columns in print media, that they’ll stop whining about the liberal media?
Or how about if I can find five conservative college professors? And five instances where conservatives spoke on college campuses? Will that make conservatives stop going on and on about liberal academia and thus boring the hell out of those who have actually been to college?
I think that’s fair.
tontocal said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:07
Well, LA-DEE-DA! Gary Ruppert has an MBA from Liberty University and a law degree from Regent University,
so TAKE THAT!!
Susan of Texas said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:11
When the Apocalyse comes, I want to be directly
behindbeside mickey.Andre said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:11
tontocal: You spelled “McDonalds University of Life” wrong.
another jim said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:15
The fact is, liberals are biased against reality when it comes to feces. I present feces, they can’t disinfect it. They come in here all emotional, use toilet paper, flush and never address my poos with seasoned defecation. I am so glad I was not bathroom trained by a leftwing state school like so many of you. Logs are not studied by the left, but every writer who is not Shakespeare or white is. Sad.
Fixed.
You might want to get that looked at.
Moderate Republican said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:15
Tell you what, I am so not racist, and I am so totally OK with a black dude running for Prez… Heck I even proudly own a Tiger Woods autographed golf-ball. This pastor thing though is too ghetto for me… Yuk! Sorry guys…
Mac-is-Back08!
billy pilgrim said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:16
Susan, huge coincidence:
Last night I saw Springsteen and the E street Band.
They played that song.
Did they know what Obama was going to say today?
Weird.
D. Aristophanes said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:18
You’ve got to hand it to the Freepers. They’re too dumb to excerpt bits of Obama’s speech and criticize them out of context, like so many of their smarter, more artfully mendacious cousins do. Instead, they posted it in full, and
there it sits, like a thing of beauty and strength that’s impervious to their primitive assaults.
Apropos of Arthur C. Clarke’s death, I see that speech as the alien monolith and the Freeper commenters are the howling apes surrounding it, simultaneously drawn to its power and frightened to death by its strangeness.
FlipYrWhig said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:21
Yes, he’s right up there. Definitely in the top 9.
Susan of Texas said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:21
That’s a funy coincidence.
It’s an incredibly important need, the need to believe in something, to belong, to have purpose.
To bad it’s such an easily exploited need.
Fozzetti said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:29
Well, as Billy Joel says “I have been a Fool for Lesser Things!”
Why not go-fo-it?
Candy said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:29
Not even a week ago, I was pretty much in despair. I looked at the shit going on between the two camps - the two Democratic camps - and was on the verge of just giving up. It was just a question of trying to get a Dem elected Pres so they could rubber stamp legislation from a progressive congress. That was my last, best hope.
Two things happened. The first was that I read an article about Obama’s mother. By the time I was through reading that article, tears were running down my face. This is not usual for me. I am about as politically hardened and cynical as they come. But this story about this remarkable woman, and the glimmers it gave of her relationship to her son, was amazing. It was uplifting. It was every cliche you could think of, all dusted off and made fresh and new again. I thought, “It sounds as if she gave him a foundation of decency, of compassion and understanding, that couldn’t help but form some core of character in the man he became.”
The second thing was this speech. All the good things that everyone here has already mentioned. A reason to, well, hope. I guess I’m gonna go ahead and hope. And if the heartbreak thing comes, I can go back to cynical and hardened. Alright.
Jennifer, home with the flu said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:30
Apropos of Arthur C. Clarke’s death, I see that speech as the alien monolith and the Freeper commenters are the howling apes surrounding it, simultaneously drawn to its power and frightened to death by its strangeness.
I get a premonition that this campaign is going to be like watching mice in the maze running back to the place where the button for the food is. But one day, the button stops working. And the dumbest mice return to the site, day after day, and throw themselves onto the button, convinced that it will start working again. Meanwhile, the smarter mice explore other areas of the maze, find a new button that works, and are chowing down while the dumb ones remained encamped by the old button, starving, and desperately throwing themselves onto the old button over and over again.
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:34
isn’t it amusing how these freepers condemn every little thing Obama says while remaining loyal to the inarticulate uneducated illiterate Decider.
“Hey Obama why doncha go put food on your fambly or somethin’”
mikey said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:36
It’s an incredibly important need, the need to believe in something, to belong, to have purpose.
To bad it’s such an easily exploited need.
*SIGH*
I suppose. I mean, sure. People with power and charisma have fooled the population into doing so many stupid things, into following so many bad ideologies, into believing in the redemptive qualities of what turned out to be nothing but manure.
But I’m not so sure. Maybe I’m completely “in the tank”.
But I think we all KNOW what we need. KNOW. Without question.
We can recognize the liar, the poser and the real deal.
I’m not sure who I can speak for, but I can certainly speak for people who agree with me. That the very future, the history of our lives is at stake.
And it’s in our hands.
Three candidates. Three options. Three directions.
One is mindless hate and uncontrolled rage.
One is political ambition. Sure, it’s coupled with some care for the constituency, but that will always be secondary to the accumulation and retention of power.
And then there’s another path. Someone young stood up and said “Not This Time”. Someone with a message about caring, and future, and love, and belief and peace. Someone stood up and said we can be better, we can be more, we can care for one another.
How hard will reality smack him?
Hell, how hard will he hit back?
Sign me up. The current path is not a solution. What we are watching is an opportunity, fragile and beautiful, tiny heart beating fitfully. Gawd, how sad to see it left bleeding in the ditch on the side of the road because we didn’t have the courage and vision to reach out and take it home.
We need this. It may not save us. But like that sad little life ring in the middle of a pacific storm, it may well be the only chance we have…
mikey
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:36
Jennifer, home with the flu said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:30
WOMAN HATER!
/Taylor Marsh
Ozymandias, king of kings said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:36
I couldn’t finish reading it the first time through… about 2/3rds of the way in I was bawling my eyes out.
Just amazing. If you can’t appreciate this speech you truly have no soul.
Notorious P.A.T. said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:37
Does that mean Shakespeare wasn’t white?
You’re right! Just like Benito Mussolini was an American leftist.
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205890611&sr=8-1
Candy said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:41
How hard will reality smack him?
Hell, how hard will he hit back?
that’s exactly part of the man’s charm for me. They’ll hit him hard, and they’ll hit him low, but he’s really smart and really tough. We’ve had some good people before who didn’t know how to fight back, and the horrible evil Dicks and Newts of this world ate them for lunch. That ain’t gonna happen with Obama. He’s going to hand their asses to them, with elegance and aplomb. I am so looking forward to that.
J— said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:50
Obama in today’s speech (my emphasis):
Gary, dude, you gotta get that thing copyrighted.
Woodrowfan said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:53
I thought Gary got his degree by drawing “Binky” off of an old matchbook… Huh..
Smiling Mortician said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:56
I’m not sure who I can speak for
You can speak for me. Any time. You go, mikey.
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:56
I’m a cynic at this point in my life, especially when it comes to politicians whose speeches are filled with an idealism that hasn’t been reflected in our society for decades, if ever. There was a short period of time back in the seventies when hope was alive and anything seemed possible, but I might have been high on drugs at the time. Frank Capra movies used to have me awash in tears when I was, maybe ten years old, but now? Um, no. I don’t believe any politician.
If Obama can live up to a fraction of what he claims, if some shit starts to change, I’ll start buying into his speeches. (Though I realize he’s one person and one person can’t do a fuck of a lot. On the other hand, lone man Bush has done a fuck of a lot of harm, so maybe one man can do a fuck of a lot of good. Greed seems to hold more power, unfortunately.)
As for the freepers, I can only hope their shrieking and jumping up and down in a frenzy of rabid hate is a sign that they know, at least instinctively, that their days are numbered.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:05
As for the freepers, I can only hope their shrieking and jumping up and down in a frenzy of rabid hate is a sign that they know, at least instinctively, that their days are numbered.
Me, too. Help us number their days.
El Cid said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:06
One of the things I like about Obama is who he is not.
Although his policies aren’t fully what I would prefer, he is not part of an entire movement of Democrats who decided that the problem with the Democratic Party was the liberals and labor and ethnic backing it received, and that what was needed was for the Democrats to back basically Republican policies with a bit more sanity.
If, say, grassroots pressure could convert into Congressional action towards some very progressive goal, I don’t see President Obama as quite so determined to destroy and avert that movement and goal as a number of other leading Democrats might.
tontocal said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:07
I mostly come here for the ’snark v. snark’ and the general silliness but I will say one thing. I was a steadfast Hillary supporter (yes, she’s ruthless but that what I felt we needed in a candidate) but B. Hussein Obama has grown on me to the point where I’ved decided that he’d make the better president. The one thing that worries me though, is that with any agent of true, substantive change, he’ll create many, many enemies. I worry that his hopes for the future will be dashed because he will be faced with a backlash, not just from ‘establishment’ Republicans, but also from small ‘c’ Democrats in our own party. (that’s one of the reasons I was rooting for Hillary; I felt that she had enough of a formidable ‘machine’ behind here to counter-punch that) That said, after his speech today, I’m really excited about him attaining the White House (the historical significance notwithstanding)
a different brad said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:09
Even tho I’ve been arguing in favor of Obama for some time, I have trouble believing it when he pulls stuff like this off.
Gotta see how it plays, of course, but it looks like he really is the political equiv of Ali, sometimes.
Smiling Mortician said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:12
I was about to say “fair enough,” because I’m a uniter, not a divider — but then I decided, no, Lesley, not fair enough. Obama hasn’t been in power “for decades.” He’s not in power yet. It’s lunacy to decide you won’t believe the rhetoric until you see results — unless people have faith in his words, he’ll never have a chance to “live up to” what he claims.
I mean, great speed-skating Jebus, it’s like saying that nothing any of the Sadlynaughts say is worth believing because none of us has yet made any appointments to the Supreme Court.
Seriously, what shit do you expect him to change between now and the November election?
Ozymandias, king of kings said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:13
I missed it the first time around, but I hope he’s serious about this:
“…the real culprits of the middle class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many.”
The thing I really liked about Edwards was his anti-corporate populism, it’d be nice to see a bit more of that from Obama.
nightjar said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:14
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 3:34
isn’t it amusing how these freepers condemn every little thing Obama says while remaining loyal to the inarticulate uneducated illiterate Decider. ”
It’s comes from pure primal unmitigated fear and it will get even more insane as this election goes on. The things Obama said today were a pointed arrow aimed straight into the wingnut’s political heart. They have lived off bias division and resentment for decades now and have harnessed it into an electoral cattle prod with great success. Obama’s candidacy (and it is important to distinguish between it and the man) and the courage and clarity and brutal honesty he expressed today is an existential threat to their SOP.
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:16
If Obama can stand behind what he says and if the electorate support him all the way, he’ll be the next best thing since multi-grain bread. (Turns out sliced white is carcinogenic.)
There’s certainly a place for ruthless Democrats if they are ruthless for the right causes. Like supporting the impoverished, restoring democracy, cleaning up the corruption, and telling the freepers to fuck the hell off and shut the fuck up.
They’ve been yapping their spin and bullshit on the blogs, the networks, in the senate, the congress, and in the Whitehouse for the past eight years. They had their majority. They BLEW it. They can damn well take responsibility for that. If no one supports them now it’s their fault. (Not that anyone had reason to support them in the first place, but I’m willing to concede some people are gullible idiots and sheep and can’t help themselves after events like 9/11.)
Me said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:17
Guys, I know this has been covered, but some of you are working yourselves into a right lather over the comments of Ruppert and Rugged. So let’s cover this ground one more time:
They are parodies.
Ignore, except to mock.
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:19
I hear you Smiling Mortician - but then you must be an optimist if you can be a mortician and smile at the same time. Seriously though, your point is well taken and it’s not fair is it because he hasn’t had a chance. I guess my point is that I’ve heard similar speeches in the past (Canuck side) and they’ve all crashed and burned. The proof is the world we’re living in. People - at the grass roots level - effect change. Politicians are servants. I respect the man and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and yes, I would only vote for someone like him, but I’m wary and I think I have good reason to be.
Susan of Texas said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:21
There are at least two aspects of this. One is the practical, where either Democrat is preferable to any Republican. We have to live in the world we have, not the world as it should be. In this sense I am for Obama, since I think he’ll be the better leader.
But there is anther side, the truth of which has to be behind every decision we make. We are a deeply corrupt society, rife with racism, sexism, and cold greedy capitalism. We know it, and we (including myself) do nothing about it. At the very least, we have to acknowledge that truth. Do what you will, but don’t lie to yourself. Or you’ll end up a Republican.
J— said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:21
They are parodies.
What? Why doesn’t anybody ever tell me these things!
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:22
They’ve been yapping their spin and bullshit on the blogs, the networks, in the senate, the congress, and in the Whitehouse for the past eight years. They had their majority. They BLEW it.
Donna Edwards = Mark Penn?
Are you looking through Nader goggles?
J— said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:24
Actually, the real Gary Ruppert, AKA Classic Gary, is no parody. Things are obviously complicated as some here like to play a blog-comments version of “To Tell the Truth.”
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:25
Seriously, what shit do you expect him to change between now and the November election?
None. When he’s up and running - when that dickhead Bush is out on his rear end and the carpets and furniture have been replaced by Mrs. O. - I’ll swoon and giggle like a schoolgirl then. (I seriously doubt it will be easy for him and his supporters to clean the mess Bush has created. It’s going to take years.)
No, I’m as impressed as you are by his idealism and his political philosophy but words are no longer enough for me. And hey, this is the Democratic Party we’re talking about…it’s not exactly ever been revolutionary.
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:28
Donna Edwards = Mark Penn?
Are you looking through Nader goggles?
um, you realize by “they” I meant the shameless wingnuts.
Smiling Mortician said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:30
Lesley, your last comment doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
Exactly how is Obama supposed to “stand behind what he says” during the next 7-8 months until the election? How is he supposed to make his proposals reality? And how is he only a good thing if “the electorate” (the same electorate who settled for Bush twice) “support him all the way”?
Which of the “ruthless Democrats” have been “yapping their bullshit in the White House” for the past eight years? How did I miss their presence in the Bush administration?
And given that the Democrats BLEW it and therefore do not deserve anyone’s support, could you kindly make an endorsement about who the engaged, freaked-out, deeply concerned anti-Republican should support?
If you have any time left over, I’d appreciate an analysis of how those of us who voted Democratic in an attempt to get our country out of the hands of Bushco are “gullible idiots and sheep and can’t help themselves after events like 9/11.”
In Search of the Real Gary said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:31
I’m Leonard Nimoy. Tonight we go in search of the Real Gary…
Smiling Mortician said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:32
By “last comment,” I’m referring to Lesley’s comment at 4:16. Sorry. Slow typing this evening. I blame the Pinot Noir.
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:33
smiling…you’re getting on my last nerve here.
I said there will be a place for ruthlessness (in terms of supporting Obama’s idealism). When I mentioned the yappers I was referring to the freepers who’ve been in power for the past eight years. Not sure how that’s not clear to you.
The republicans blew it, is what I said. I should have put the second and last paragraph together.
enough self-important blather said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:33
Vote for the candidate that you support. Spare everybody else your lengthy political exegeses. That is all.
James said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:34
Surfed around a lot today and with all that I’ve read on the net, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly…I think I’ll vote for Obama.
Unless McCain discovers by November that Iran is NOT training Al Qaeda.
Nay…Won’t happen.
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:35
oh hey, if you’re imbibing and can’t focus, don’t blame me, mortician :)
freepers blew it. freepers are the yappers. It’s clear enough to me, Is it clear to anyone else (who might care?) who isn’t drinking?
Susan of Texas said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:36
Heh. Some people enjoy a nice exegese, but no matter. This
warelection will be over some day…..Candy said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:36
Vote for the candidate that you support. Spare everybody else your lengthy political exegeses. That is all.
Not really sure why you’re here, if you don’t like lengthy political exegeses.
Unless McCain discovers by November that Iran is NOT training Al Qaeda.
There are a fuck of a lot more reasons not to vote for St. McCain than that, James. Just sayin’.
tontocal said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:39
Me:
I caught on pretty quick that ole’ Rugger was a parody troll but Gary?? You sure?? If he is, my pants are off to him; he’s brought parodying wingers to the ’sound of one hand clapping’ level!
Anne Laurie said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:39
How can these racist fucktards take that attitude toward that excellent speech? What is wrong with them?
Candy, it was indeed an excellent speech, now that I have gone and read it, and I give Obama great credit for it. And yet, when I tried to listen to it, all I heard was “Cadence, cadence, buzzword, cadence, word word word, sonority, cadence, buzzword.” It may actually *be* a genetic thing, or at least a regional one, because BHO’s voice still grates on me, no matter how much I agree with what he’s saying. I will have to go with my head on this one, because my heart will not be moved. Selah. Working to elect a President whose words are not a source of mockery & shame is no small thing, after all.
Now, Mikey… there’s a guy whose words can inspire an emotional response in me. Thank you, Mikey, for doing so.
enough self-important blather said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:40
I am able to enjoy a fine political exegesis. But this little flamewar, feh…
Anyway, calm down everybody.
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:42
Geez, the last person I want to be confused with is Gary Rupertardo. I’ve been a life long socialist.
nightjar said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:42
The reason I like and trust Obama, is although he states the correct vision for America (in my opinion), he does not state it as a promise he will keep. The minute he does that, then my bullshit meter goes off loud and I’m out the door.
My gut tells me he is at heart a humble man despite his obvious gift for rhetoric and persuasion– and will at least try to accomplish what he talks about. An honest effort is all I require in a politician.
Malignant Bouffant said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:43
God Damn America!!
Blue Buddha said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:43
mikey said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:44
All of this confuses me. I just don’t get it.
You got four choices in november.
McCain, Clinton, Obama or None of the Above.
You gotta sign up with one.
Geddy Lee even got it, for fucks sake.
So you wanna vote your cynicism? You wanna vote your fears? You want to vote for less of the same? Keep wiretapping, keep stealing, keep killing, but do it for different fucking reasons?
What is WRONG with you people?
Don’t you want to sign up for something more, something bigger, something BETTER?
When they come and ask you what you’ll do, will you pull down your shades and ignore the knock at the door?
Fer crissakes, what the HELL are you waiting for? Get on the bus, or get off the fucking bus, but stop complaining about the goddam BUS.
Sheesh….
mikey
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:45
My gut tells me he is at heart a humble man despite his obvious gift for rhetoric and persuasion
I’m not sure it’s possible to be a presidential candidate in the US of A and humble. Sounds great but don’t you think these guys have huge egos?
tontocal said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:49
and Leslie:
As Jesus once said, “The poor, you will always have with you…”
So it goes for the freepers. There will always be freepers among us. The trick (and hope is) that they will become so thoroughly discredited, shunned and marginalized by most of the population that their ‘echo chamber’ for them will become like Dante’s Eighth Circle of Hell (where their ears will also bleed profusely, forevah and evah)
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:51
Mikey, I won’t be voting because I’m not an American….relax man :)
If I could vote, I’d cast mine with Obama mainly because he stood against the invasion (not war, invasion…big difference) from the beginning and Hillary didn’t have the courage to do that. That I can’t forget or forgive.
Jennifer, home with the flu said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:52
When they come and ask you what you’ll do, will you pull down your shades and ignore the knock at the door?
When they kick out your front door, How you gonna come, With your hands on your head, Or on the trigger of your gun
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:53
tontocal, I notice a hell of a lot more of them around now, don’t you. They freak me the hell out. It’s like a zombie invasion.
J— said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:53
Meet the Libertarian Party candidates!
nightjar said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:55
’m not sure it’s possible to be a presidential candidate in the US of A and humble. Sounds great but don’t you think these guys have huge egos?”
They better have healthy egos if their going to be the POTUS. I don’t know exactly what you mean by “huge” . But maybe those nit picky Freepers do.
Lesley said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:56
Mikey, in a previous comment you wrote about how persuasive the rhetoric can be and how dangerous that is. Don’t you think a certain amount of cynicism is healthy at this stage?
I mean, look at those folks in Ohio who fell for Hillary’s BS that she’s turn around the free trade agreement (the one she supported in the first place). I mean, goddamn, people need to smirk occasionally at these asswipes, don’t you think?
Susan of Texas nailed it when she said
Susan of Texas said,
March 19, 2008 at 4:57
We shouldn’t have anthing to do with this whole political process. This political system which lets the rich bleed the poor, sends the poor off to be killed, clamps down on their every thought and action, more and more and more. Telling us that sex is a sinful, the poor are scum, women are the source of evil, we are the epitome of all mankind and every civilization.
Either we all work together to get rid of the process–all of us, and how likely is it that that will happen?, or we participate in it, or we wash our hands of it. Nearly a million Iraqi are dead. Four thousand of us. Our economy is in shambles. Our infrastructure is crumbling aruond us. The grossest of injustices occurs every day. Torture, political prisoners. It’s time to kick the table over.
Let me just ask one question–why would anyone want to be part of that system? Especially when he could become another MLK?
Otto Man said,
March 19, 2008 at 5:00
Hell of a speech. I mean, wow.
I’ve been pulling for Obama ever since Edwards was eliminated, but this got me to get off my ass and finally make a donation.
Enjoy the C-note, Barry. I hope you ram it right up the media’s ass. Money’s the only thing they understand.
D. Aristophanes said,
March 19, 2008 at 5:00
Lesley, sure he’s got a huge ego. And some of the younger Obama supporters I encounter seem to put a little too much faith in Obama, the man, instead of Obamamania, the movement (see: i.am.-comma-will.)
It’s also true, as you say, that ‘people - at the grass roots level - affect change’. I get pissed off at some Obama supporters who have all this hope that their guy will lead us out of near-total darkness, because lots of people working in the margins have already done great, progressive, successful work to change things already. It does those people and their accomplishments a disservice to ignore the light they’ve already shined on things like the environment and social justice.
But Obama and the movement behind him, in my opinion, stand a really, really good chance of accomplishing a) pretty decent governance and b) inspiring and incentivizing even more people to work in the margins for progressive goals. That’s something.
And here’s the thing. It’s up to those of us who are a little more cynical to watchdog Obamamania and make sure it sticks to a progressive path, that it doesn’t get too cultish.
And you can’t do that if you don’t have skin in the game.
mikey said,
March 19, 2008 at 5:02
Mikey, I won’t be voting because I’m not an American….relax man :)
Trust me, Lesley, I am comfortable with your decision.
Because all I ask of anyone is a decision. Decide.
What is your vision?
How do you see america’s future?
Who best delivers that vision?
It’s not a matter of relaxation. I have nothing of significance to contribute.
I just want people to make a decision, choose a path, select a vision.
If you think more wars is a future that brings you happiness and prosperity, you vote for McCain.
If you think that Corporations have your best interests at heart, if you believe that big oil and big pharma and big money hold the solutions to our most critical societal problems, vote for Clinton.
If you want to believe in something more, if you want to believe there might, just goddam MIGHT be something more, if you want to sign up for a political movement that offers solutions rather than toxins, well, step up and agree to work your neighborhood.
Is it possible we’ll be disappointed? Oh, yeah.
Are we so cynical that we can’t even try?
Nope. We most certainly are NOT…
mikey
Smiling Mortician said,
March 19, 2008 at 5:03
oh hey, if you’re imbibing and can’t focus, don’t blame me, mortician :)
freepers blew it. freepers are the yappers. It’s clear enough to me, Is it clear to anyone else (who might care?) who isn’t drinking?
Yeah, I have students like this. They write the exact opposite of what they mean and then blame the reader for not figuring out what they really meant.
Oh, sorry. I’ve had a glass of wine so I’m not supposed to answer.
mikey said,
March 19, 2008 at 5:05
Mikey, in a previous comment you wrote about how persuasive the rhetoric can be and how dangerous that is. Don’t you think a certain amount of cynicism is healthy at this stage?
Generically, sure.
But you got three players left on the board. How does cynicism help you with this decision? Maybe, just maybe, hope and commitment are better choices in this case?
mikey
Blue Buddha said,
March 19, 2008 at 5:06
SCREEEEEEE!
enough self-important blather said,
March 19, 2008 at