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		<title>By: cyber cafe hidden sex - Page 66 - Ho'oponopono Forum - Online Discussions and Community</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; I Am an Anti-Semite and I Should Thank the Folks Who Tell Me So</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; I Am an Anti-Semite and I Should Thank the Folks Who Tell Me So</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rabid Obama (or Clinton, for that matter &#8212; I&#8217;m ecumenical in my dislike for fanatics) supporters, and certainly not use the word &#8220;cult&#8221; in the criticism, without rousing suspicions [...]</description>
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		<title>By: An open question &#171; Writhe Safely</title>
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		<dc:creator>An open question &#171; Writhe Safely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the cooler heads, this instant classic has been making the rounds, by HTML Mencken at Sadly, No! The Cult Thing:  Eh. It’s not the support or supporters I object to, it’s the enthusiasm and the fanatics. For [...]</description>
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		<title>By: a very public sociologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>a very public sociologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sitting as a bemused Brit who watches the Clinton/Obama sycophants on telly, the apparent enthusiasm/fanaticism is puzzling given how insipid both candidates are. There is no grand vision and no promise of radical breaks with the past. At least here you know anyone on TV who is enthusiastically pro-Tories/LibDems/New Labour are probably employed by one of the parties.

My advice to lefties is give both Democrat candidates a wide berth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sitting as a bemused Brit who watches the Clinton/Obama sycophants on telly, the apparent enthusiasm/fanaticism is puzzling given how insipid both candidates are. There is no grand vision and no promise of radical breaks with the past. At least here you know anyone on TV who is enthusiastically pro-Tories/LibDems/New Labour are probably employed by one of the parties.</p>
<p>My advice to lefties is give both Democrat candidates a wide berth.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Pez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Pez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;After all, it’s not as if either Clinton or Obama are exactly FDR incarnate&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;A pleasant man who, without any important qualifications for the office, would very much like to be President.&quot; -- Walter Lippmann, on FDR, 28 April 1932</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>After all, it’s not as if either Clinton or Obama are exactly FDR incarnate</i></p>
<p>&#8220;A pleasant man who, without any important qualifications for the office, would very much like to be President.&#8221; &#8212; Walter Lippmann, on FDR, 28 April 1932</p>
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		<title>By: We can has personality cults - GeneralForum.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>We can has personality cults - GeneralForum.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cross Posted At S,N! &#171; Beware The Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cross Posted At S,N! &#171; Beware The Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one more thing, since I doubt anyone is reading this.

Samantha Power is teh HOT, and she can hang with me anytime she wants.  I don&#039;t think HC is a &quot;monster,&quot; but I sure as hell don&#039;t think it is out of bounds to say she&#039;s behaving like one.

The primary difference between my Obama vote and my Clinton vote is that I&#039;ll be holding my nose much tighter for the Clinton checkmark.

I don&#039;t think I&#039;m alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one more thing, since I doubt anyone is reading this.</p>
<p>Samantha Power is teh HOT, and she can hang with me anytime she wants.  I don&#8217;t think HC is a &#8220;monster,&#8221; but I sure as hell don&#8217;t think it is out of bounds to say she&#8217;s behaving like one.</p>
<p>The primary difference between my Obama vote and my Clinton vote is that I&#8217;ll be holding my nose much tighter for the Clinton checkmark.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m alone.</p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and this is central to my thesis:  Anyone who refuses to vote for either candidate is a moron.  Change comes incrementally at this (the Presidential) level, always.

As it is, so it has been, and will always be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and this is central to my thesis:  Anyone who refuses to vote for either candidate is a moron.  Change comes incrementally at this (the Presidential) level, always.</p>
<p>As it is, so it has been, and will always be.</p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Djur, you&#039;re right, but read the book.  It isn&#039;t exclusively focused on &quot;marriage,&quot; it&#039;s about &quot;love.&quot;  And I knew the &quot;he doth protest too much&quot; posts were coming...I can take it because I have been the butt of &quot;you must be gay&quot; jokes since I was a very young man.  It just doesn&#039;t bother me, because I don&#039;t see anything wrong with being gay, and because I know which human gender I want to get jiggy with.

Now, on more serious matters.  I vote third party in virtually every election I can when I see no difference in the outcome, or no substantive difference in the candidates.  The system IS broken; I learned the hard way by trying to become a candidate in 2000 for my 10th Congressional district in IL.  I needed roughly 12,000 signatures, my opponents on either side needed less than 700.  That among other fun systematic things amounted to quite an eye-opener.

But I just don&#039;t understand the Democratic cannibalism on any level that resembles practical reality.  In macro terms, comparing it to working in Corporate America, where I often say to virtual unanimous agreement, &quot;this is Dilbert shit.&quot;  And everyone says, &quot;Yeah,&quot; and I say, &quot;But it doesn&#039;t have to be!  If we know it is Dilbert shit, why don&#039;t we avoid it?&quot;  Because we can&#039;t, I&#039;m starting to think.

This campaign is the same, just in a different world.  I HATED Power&#039;s resignation; I think Obama should have, in his own eloquent way, said, &quot;Fuck you.&quot;  The substance of it doesn&#039;t matter, since they can still talk on the phone all the time just like Bush and Rove.  It&#039;s the optics that matter, and if Obama (whom I lean towards) wants to get elected, he&#039;s going to have to fight in the trenches, not because that is the way it should be, but because that is the way it IS.  Particulary against a great infighter like Hillary.

I just don&#039;t get the insane partisanship.  It&#039;s like a sports team willing to lose so one guy gets to set the records.  It&#039;s like a band willing to toss away their fame over a dispute about who gets writing credit.

THE OBJECT OF THE GAME IS TO WIN IN THE FALL.  Hillary, IMHO, believes with all her heart and soul she can and will do a better job, and in some respects I agree that is true, but she&#039;s behaving abhorently to win.  And she&#039;s dragging Obama down into traditional political mud to do it.  I&#039;m tired of it.  

I don&#039;t understand the Cult of Personality that surrounds either candidate.  All I want is a Democrat in the WH next January.  And larger majorities in both houses.

I find Taylor Marsh brilliant about a whole bunch of stuff, but her obsessive Obama bashing and ignoring the Clinton baggage has become insufferable to me.  It makes me sad.  There ARE Obama cultists, and they make me weirded-out. 

It&#039;s all very interesting when one detaches.  HC is, IMO, much better suited to flip the tiny levers of the giant black hole that is government bureaucracy much quicker than Obama.  Obama, OTOH, has brought one big serious shitload of new voters into the process, and I think the down-ticket would be better under him.  I WANT to be inspired, despite rationally knowing that inspiration goes just about as far as the votes you have in Congress as far as policy implementation goes.  I don&#039;t want to hear about shit that happened in the &#039;90&#039;s over and over and over again, which I sincerely believe will get in the way of any &quot;change.&quot;

At this exact moment, I&#039;d like to see Obama do a speech in African-American FU idiom, while managing to make it funny and &quot;kidding on the square&quot; and polite and all the stuff Obama is good at, simultaneously.  A tough speech to write, and deliver, no question, but I think it would show a lot of America he has the goods.

Blah, blah, blah.  We&#039;ll see how it plays out.  The only thing I can say for sure is that it will play out in macro terms without anyone being able to do anything about it.  

The Human Experience is wild.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Djur, you&#8217;re right, but read the book.  It isn&#8217;t exclusively focused on &#8220;marriage,&#8221; it&#8217;s about &#8220;love.&#8221;  And I knew the &#8220;he doth protest too much&#8221; posts were coming&#8230;I can take it because I have been the butt of &#8220;you must be gay&#8221; jokes since I was a very young man.  It just doesn&#8217;t bother me, because I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with being gay, and because I know which human gender I want to get jiggy with.</p>
<p>Now, on more serious matters.  I vote third party in virtually every election I can when I see no difference in the outcome, or no substantive difference in the candidates.  The system IS broken; I learned the hard way by trying to become a candidate in 2000 for my 10th Congressional district in IL.  I needed roughly 12,000 signatures, my opponents on either side needed less than 700.  That among other fun systematic things amounted to quite an eye-opener.</p>
<p>But I just don&#8217;t understand the Democratic cannibalism on any level that resembles practical reality.  In macro terms, comparing it to working in Corporate America, where I often say to virtual unanimous agreement, &#8220;this is Dilbert shit.&#8221;  And everyone says, &#8220;Yeah,&#8221; and I say, &#8220;But it doesn&#8217;t have to be!  If we know it is Dilbert shit, why don&#8217;t we avoid it?&#8221;  Because we can&#8217;t, I&#8217;m starting to think.</p>
<p>This campaign is the same, just in a different world.  I HATED Power&#8217;s resignation; I think Obama should have, in his own eloquent way, said, &#8220;Fuck you.&#8221;  The substance of it doesn&#8217;t matter, since they can still talk on the phone all the time just like Bush and Rove.  It&#8217;s the optics that matter, and if Obama (whom I lean towards) wants to get elected, he&#8217;s going to have to fight in the trenches, not because that is the way it should be, but because that is the way it IS.  Particulary against a great infighter like Hillary.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get the insane partisanship.  It&#8217;s like a sports team willing to lose so one guy gets to set the records.  It&#8217;s like a band willing to toss away their fame over a dispute about who gets writing credit.</p>
<p>THE OBJECT OF THE GAME IS TO WIN IN THE FALL.  Hillary, IMHO, believes with all her heart and soul she can and will do a better job, and in some respects I agree that is true, but she&#8217;s behaving abhorently to win.  And she&#8217;s dragging Obama down into traditional political mud to do it.  I&#8217;m tired of it.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand the Cult of Personality that surrounds either candidate.  All I want is a Democrat in the WH next January.  And larger majorities in both houses.</p>
<p>I find Taylor Marsh brilliant about a whole bunch of stuff, but her obsessive Obama bashing and ignoring the Clinton baggage has become insufferable to me.  It makes me sad.  There ARE Obama cultists, and they make me weirded-out. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all very interesting when one detaches.  HC is, IMO, much better suited to flip the tiny levers of the giant black hole that is government bureaucracy much quicker than Obama.  Obama, OTOH, has brought one big serious shitload of new voters into the process, and I think the down-ticket would be better under him.  I WANT to be inspired, despite rationally knowing that inspiration goes just about as far as the votes you have in Congress as far as policy implementation goes.  I don&#8217;t want to hear about shit that happened in the &#8217;90&#8242;s over and over and over again, which I sincerely believe will get in the way of any &#8220;change.&#8221;</p>
<p>At this exact moment, I&#8217;d like to see Obama do a speech in African-American FU idiom, while managing to make it funny and &#8220;kidding on the square&#8221; and polite and all the stuff Obama is good at, simultaneously.  A tough speech to write, and deliver, no question, but I think it would show a lot of America he has the goods.</p>
<p>Blah, blah, blah.  We&#8217;ll see how it plays out.  The only thing I can say for sure is that it will play out in macro terms without anyone being able to do anything about it.  </p>
<p>The Human Experience is wild.</p>
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		<title>By: jayinbmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayinbmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d comment on substantively on this post but I&#039;m busy saying &quot;amen&quot; and forming a personality cult around HTML Mencken. SRSLY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d comment on substantively on this post but I&#8217;m busy saying &#8220;amen&#8221; and forming a personality cult around HTML Mencken. SRSLY.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My whole deal is that I&#039;m not in to this whole struggle thing.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, our system of government is adversarial, so it&#039;s always going to be dissatisfying to you.

&lt;i&gt;Good government comes from rational people acting in enlightened self-interest.&lt;/i&gt;

One of the most important realizations you can make about our two-party system is that self-interests of two opposing parties frequently collide. Sometimes there is a &quot;win-win&quot; situation that can be agreed upon, but in lots of cases, political policies are zero-sum for the two interest groups: one group wins and comes away with more, and one group loses and comes away with less.

Not every solution comes through a blue-ribbon commission made up of elders statesmen and Brookings Institute scholars. To even &lt;i&gt;appoint&lt;/i&gt; that blue-ribbon commission, you have defeat a lot of politicians who are going to be standing in the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My whole deal is that I&#8217;m not in to this whole struggle thing.</i></p>
<p>Well, our system of government is adversarial, so it&#8217;s always going to be dissatisfying to you.</p>
<p><i>Good government comes from rational people acting in enlightened self-interest.</i></p>
<p>One of the most important realizations you can make about our two-party system is that self-interests of two opposing parties frequently collide. Sometimes there is a &#8220;win-win&#8221; situation that can be agreed upon, but in lots of cases, political policies are zero-sum for the two interest groups: one group wins and comes away with more, and one group loses and comes away with less.</p>
<p>Not every solution comes through a blue-ribbon commission made up of elders statesmen and Brookings Institute scholars. To even <i>appoint</i> that blue-ribbon commission, you have defeat a lot of politicians who are going to be standing in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only candidate who truly represents my views is me.

So why should I ever vote for any other sell-out and betrayal of conscience like Clinton, Obama, Nader, or anyone else, instead of writing myself in as the true candidate of my progressive change?

Sure, I won&#039;t get elected, and sure, the country will even get sh*ttier, but, hey, at least &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; voted &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; views -- because there is nothing in the universe at all which is more important than &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only candidate who truly represents my views is me.</p>
<p>So why should I ever vote for any other sell-out and betrayal of conscience like Clinton, Obama, Nader, or anyone else, instead of writing myself in as the true candidate of my progressive change?</p>
<p>Sure, I won&#8217;t get elected, and sure, the country will even get sh*ttier, but, hey, at least <i><b>I</b></i> voted <b><i>my</i></b> views &#8212; because there is nothing in the universe at all which is more important than <b><i>my</i></b> views.</p>
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		<title>By: pegleghippie</title>
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		<dc:creator>pegleghippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;People are always interested in something bigger than themselves. Period. If you don’t over them that, someone else will. Perhaps someone more dangerous. But unless you’re willing to change the US into a monarchy with a head of state that Americans can focus their feelings of national leadership on while the PM does all the work, we’ve got to find presidential candidates that the public is going to follow in our goal towards passing more liberal policies. My experience with elections is that candidates like Walter Mondale and Mike Dukakis are not those candidates.
&lt;/i&gt;
I don&#039;t have a problem with the idea of calling people to something bigger than themselves, I have a problem with how little critical thought is applied to any given &#039;transforming leader.&#039;  The literature on the subject nearly universally assumes that a good transforming leader has the best interests of his/her followers at heart.  The reality is that with transforming leadership, an incredibly effective, powerful method has been spelled out, with no natural checks exist to keep such a method from being corrupted.  THAT, is my problem with &#039;cult of personality&#039; type leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>People are always interested in something bigger than themselves. Period. If you don’t over them that, someone else will. Perhaps someone more dangerous. But unless you’re willing to change the US into a monarchy with a head of state that Americans can focus their feelings of national leadership on while the PM does all the work, we’ve got to find presidential candidates that the public is going to follow in our goal towards passing more liberal policies. My experience with elections is that candidates like Walter Mondale and Mike Dukakis are not those candidates.<br />
</i><br />
I don&#8217;t have a problem with the idea of calling people to something bigger than themselves, I have a problem with how little critical thought is applied to any given &#8216;transforming leader.&#8217;  The literature on the subject nearly universally assumes that a good transforming leader has the best interests of his/her followers at heart.  The reality is that with transforming leadership, an incredibly effective, powerful method has been spelled out, with no natural checks exist to keep such a method from being corrupted.  THAT, is my problem with &#8216;cult of personality&#8217; type leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: RandomObserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>RandomObserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Triple post yay!)

&quot;Also, you have said nothing about my point re: other democratic systems that seem to work better because they allow for a larger range of opinions. The whole damn system is broken, and the only way we’ll ever do anything about is by not giving in until it changes.&quot;

I&#039;m all for electoral change. Sorry I didn&#039;t see your comments about this earlier. Yes, the system is broken. I just don&#039;t see what that has to do with election day itself.

By all means, crusade for electoral change. Fight for better candidates. Use carrots and sticks. Agitate. Threaten to withold votes.

I&#039;m for all those things. But on election day itself the time for those things has passed. At that point switching to another electoral system or a new set of candidates is not an option.

You don&#039;t have to like it, you can hate it and you can try to change it. But on election day, if it hasn&#039;t changed, the rational thing is to vote for the best candidate. Voting is not &quot;giving in.&quot; Not voting doesn&#039;t hurt the man or the system and it doesn&#039;t affect change. In fact not voting retards change because the fewer voters there are the more the political landscape can be dominated by an insane vocal minority.

I&#039;m not a dyed-in-the-wool democrat. Our political process and our media is broken and both parties suck. Tis true. But until it changes I&#039;ll vote for the better candidate because nothing else makes sense. Not voting doesn&#039;t *accomplish* anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Triple post yay!)</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, you have said nothing about my point re: other democratic systems that seem to work better because they allow for a larger range of opinions. The whole damn system is broken, and the only way we’ll ever do anything about is by not giving in until it changes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for electoral change. Sorry I didn&#8217;t see your comments about this earlier. Yes, the system is broken. I just don&#8217;t see what that has to do with election day itself.</p>
<p>By all means, crusade for electoral change. Fight for better candidates. Use carrots and sticks. Agitate. Threaten to withold votes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m for all those things. But on election day itself the time for those things has passed. At that point switching to another electoral system or a new set of candidates is not an option.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to like it, you can hate it and you can try to change it. But on election day, if it hasn&#8217;t changed, the rational thing is to vote for the best candidate. Voting is not &#8220;giving in.&#8221; Not voting doesn&#8217;t hurt the man or the system and it doesn&#8217;t affect change. In fact not voting retards change because the fewer voters there are the more the political landscape can be dominated by an insane vocal minority.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a dyed-in-the-wool democrat. Our political process and our media is broken and both parties suck. Tis true. But until it changes I&#8217;ll vote for the better candidate because nothing else makes sense. Not voting doesn&#8217;t *accomplish* anything.</p>
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		<title>By: RandomObserver</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8961.html#comment-551852</link>
		<dc:creator>RandomObserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On voting day there will be exactly two possible outcomes:

Republican victory
Democratic victory

If you prefer a Democratic victory then not voting Democratic is irrational. Period. And you say yourself you prefer Democratic victory.

&quot;Are they both better than the Resident? Yes, obviously. Would they be better than McCain? Almost 100% positive they would. Are they the best that America’s got? I don’t think anyone here would argue that.&quot;

What is your alternative? Not voting accomplishes what exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On voting day there will be exactly two possible outcomes:</p>
<p>Republican victory<br />
Democratic victory</p>
<p>If you prefer a Democratic victory then not voting Democratic is irrational. Period. And you say yourself you prefer Democratic victory.</p>
<p>&#8220;Are they both better than the Resident? Yes, obviously. Would they be better than McCain? Almost 100% positive they would. Are they the best that America’s got? I don’t think anyone here would argue that.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is your alternative? Not voting accomplishes what exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: RandomObserver</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8961.html#comment-551850</link>
		<dc:creator>RandomObserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Good government comes from rational people acting in enlightened self-interest&quot;

What you are espousing is irrational and easily demonstrated so with simple game theory.

If you have a preferred outcome and you choose to act in a way that does not advance that preferred outcome you are behaving irrationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good government comes from rational people acting in enlightened self-interest&#8221;</p>
<p>What you are espousing is irrational and easily demonstrated so with simple game theory.</p>
<p>If you have a preferred outcome and you choose to act in a way that does not advance that preferred outcome you are behaving irrationally.</p>
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		<title>By: Heretic</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8961.html#comment-551692</link>
		<dc:creator>Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Zen-

I will happily let you call me a cunt for not voting for Obama or Clinton if McCain wins and is as awful as many people fear.  But only if McCain actually wins fairly.  Which is probably impossible, so he&#039;s most likely working his connections over at Diebold right now.  I repeat, the system is broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Zen-</p>
<p>I will happily let you call me a cunt for not voting for Obama or Clinton if McCain wins and is as awful as many people fear.  But only if McCain actually wins fairly.  Which is probably impossible, so he&#8217;s most likely working his connections over at Diebold right now.  I repeat, the system is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Zen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If McCain wins in November, everyone who refused to vote for Clinton/Obama (whichever wins), gets to be called a cunt every time they show their stupid faces anywhere on the interwebnets, because we don&#039;t deserve eight more years of these arseholes just because you decided to be a prick about your guy losing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If McCain wins in November, everyone who refused to vote for Clinton/Obama (whichever wins), gets to be called a cunt every time they show their stupid faces anywhere on the interwebnets, because we don&#8217;t deserve eight more years of these arseholes just because you decided to be a prick about your guy losing.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8961.html#comment-551556</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is perhaps the most thoughtful and liberal screed I&#039;ve read about the present election.

And to top it off, you ended with &quot;She Sells Sanctuary.&quot;

Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is perhaps the most thoughtful and liberal screed I&#8217;ve read about the present election.</p>
<p>And to top it off, you ended with &#8220;She Sells Sanctuary.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well done.</p>
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