Comments on: The case for Hillary

By: We Love America More Than Anyone. » take no prisoners.

We Love America More Than Anyone. » take no prisoners. — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:33:55 +0000

[...] I’ve said before, there are more important issues facing this country than my bloody-minded quest for revenge. But [...]

By: Sadly, No! » Gulp

Sadly, No! » Gulp — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:01:27 +0000

[...] I’ve said before, there are more important issues facing this country than my bloody-minded quest for revenge. But [...]

By: Hugely

Hugely — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:28:28 +0000

How do you appreciate flowers when all you can see is black and white?

you smell them?

and why is DN Nation so indignant? Im pissed about a shitload of things in the US but I wouldnt take it out on the DFHs at SadlyNo. Go yell at Grampaw or something…

By: otherlisa

otherlisa — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:10:26 +0000

Hell, I’ll defend Gore. The media HATED him and did everything in their collective power to torpedo his candidacy (see Daily Howler for details). He was a far more qualified candidate (duh) with intelligence and real vision.

And Tipper Gore played drums for Frank Zappa.

By: Qetesh the Qaveat Qat

Qetesh the Qaveat Qat — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:39:37 +0000

Anne Laurie, once again I’m with you. And for added fun, government could be conducted by dudes wearing clown pants and carrying The Bladder On A Stick Of Rectitude and The Air Horn Of Respect; the pants for holding whitewash which is bound to get tipped down them, the bladder for hitting other pollies who get out of hand, and the air horn for signalling their intent to speak. I have a sweet visual image of a room full of orange-haired buffoons whacking each other on the noggin instead of snarling insults, and sounding like Harpo Marx when they’re agitated.

That might deter some of the buggers from trying to rule the world.

Oh, and vis a vis the Ralph Nader 2000 debate: it’s past and done and can’t be changed. Why not think about this coming election instead?

By: Anne Laurie

Anne Laurie — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:11:15 +0000

Jesus Christ, you WANT Chuck Norris in there, dontcha?

Speaking of people it would be soul-satisfying to see upon a crucifix…

By: Righteous Bubba

Righteous Bubba — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:14:40 +0000

All the candidates, thrown into one arena, naked and armed only with forks. Final survivor gets to be President.

Jesus Christ, you WANT Chuck Norris in there, dontcha?

By: Anne Laurie

Anne Laurie — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:14:03 +0000

I say we put them all in a ring and let the last person standing rule the country. Obama’s kind of skinny, but I have a feeling he’s sinewy. Clinton probably has a right hook that could put someone out for the count. McCain has the training, but might be easily distracted if someone made bombing noises. Nader looks like he has a glass jaw.

Susan, my dear ol’ dad preferred the Arena Option:

All the candidates, thrown into one arena, naked and armed only with forks. Final survivor gets to be President.

At the end of his or her six-year term, the President is ritually crucified to signal the start of the new race.

Profits from tickets and/or pay-per-view will be used to pay down the national debt.

By: Anne Laurie

Anne Laurie — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:08:05 +0000

At the inauguration Obama should swear on some slavery-era artifact, like a bible that belonged to Frederick Douglass. Or the jailhouse Bible of abolitionist John Brown, which is in the Chicago Historical Society.

I’m guessing the Mendi Bible would be available:

The Mendi Bible is a Bible presented to former President of the United States and then-current United States Representative John Quincy Adams in 1841 by a group of freed African slaves who had mutinied on the schooner La Amistad. It was presented to Quincy Adams as a gift in thanks for his representation of them before the US Supreme Court, which resulted in their freedom. The freed slaves were Mende people; this Bible derives its name from their tribal name…

Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, the state’s first African-American governor, took his oath of office on the Mendi Bible on January 4, 2007.

By: Von Pseud

Von Pseud — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:29:51 +0000

“Von Pseud, didn’t you learn a thing from the Blair experience?”

Good gods man, of course I did? No one realised quite how bad the sleazy Islingtonian little bastard was going to be but the signs were certainly there – ‘New Labour’, cuddling up to the Iron Lady (a procedure repeated by our new saviour Comrade Brown recently), and a host of awfulness besides.

By: Attorney General Of The POTUS « Beware The Man

Attorney General Of The POTUS « Beware The Man — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:21:28 +0000

[...] GOP; any other read of it is naive and partisan in the extreme. Even leaning towards Obama, one hopes all this is true, even if one is an Barack leaner. It will/would be hilarious to listen/watch/puke over GOP [...]

By: gbear

gbear — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:47:27 +0000

Since when do we care what the likes of Hannity, Rush and BillO think?

Just my response to T4Toby wanting to be on their shows.

By: a different brad

a different brad — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:39:26 +0000

There’s no magical hindsight required to recognize Lieberman was (and even now, still is) “better” than Cheney, just as there was and is no rational, informed, way to argue Gore and Bush were equivalent.
If you had the vaguest clue, you understood the stark and fundamental differences between them. Debate transcripts do not a political awareness make, and Bush’s whole stance was bullshit compared to the longstanding, and clear, ideologies of every single person he surrounded himself with. I’m not defending Gore or trying to blame Nader voters for the Bush years, (tho that’s a nice cross, Matt T. You’re usually a lot smarter than hyperbole like that) people can make mistakes with good intentions, just like many of the average americans who were fooled on Iraq. But it was a mistake. How much of a protest is a vote for a candidate whose presence in the race helps the people he should be most opposed to?
I’m as opposed to DLC/Clintonite Dems as anyone, but their flaws are not such that it was worth the Bush Admin to get them out of the White House, and there’s no hindsight involved in asserting that. Gore’s very real flaws do not excuse Nader making it about his ego.

By: Me

Me — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:21:40 +0000

But you certainly wouldn’t get an argument from them about your vote for Nader. They’d be happy you went for it.

Since when do we care what the likes of Hannity, Rush and BillO think?

By: gbear

gbear — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:14:19 +0000

t4toby said,

I will admit this: I have trouble letting go when I am challenged.

Where’s the line to become a pundit? I could do this all day with Hannity, Rush, BillO, etc.

But you certainly wouldn’t get an argument from them about your vote for Nader. They’d be happy you went for it.

By: Dr Zen

Dr Zen — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:02:27 +0000

Von Pseud, didn’t you learn a thing from the Blair experience? You have to go beyond the rhetoric. We believed the hype in 1997 innit.

By: Dr Zen

Dr Zen — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:56:51 +0000

I want someone who fucking hates the Republicans. They *are* people who need to be crushed and defeated. The US is about three steps from being Chile. You don’t want that and niceing up to the people who are bringing you that is not a plus in a president.

By: t4toby

t4toby — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:54:09 +0000

I will admit this: I have trouble letting go when I am challenged.

Where’s the line to become a pundit? I could do this all day with Hannity, Rush, BillO, etc.

By: OneMan

OneMan — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:43:07 +0000

t4t, you could, y’know, let it drop. I’m just sayin’. Everybody knows where everybody stands.

Internet arguments, meet special olympics.

That said (and this will be my one and only post on the subject):

Back in 2000, we were coming out of 8 years of the (first?) Clinton Administration. America was ungodly weary of Clinton and, as much as he tried to distance himself from the President, Gore.

The unreflective among us (that’s somewhere north of 80% of the voters) were as interested in change for change’s sake as anything. The Greens, as has been pointed out could see no difference between the candidates and from their perspective that’s probably true.

Think of sitting in the audience in a theater. When you’re in the center of the theater, things onstage just look different than if you’re out to the sides.

So, yeah…I could totally see a Green or Green-party-sympathetic voter going for Nader. I, personally, didn’t but I’m probably much more centrist than most of y’all.

Nader’s run this time? All about Nader and I wish he’d STFU.

By: t4toby

t4toby — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:29:05 +0000

I’m thinking Hari Kari is the only way out with my dignity intact.