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		<title>By: annejumps</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-491589</link>
		<dc:creator>annejumps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to minimize &quot;sitting out&quot; as much as possible. Turnout, turnout, turnout. No complacency.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-491366</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say it&#039;s a little scary when Dennis Prager agrees with dday.  (http://dennisprager.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2008/02/05/memo_to_both_parties_vote_for_whos_best,_not_for_whos_electable)

It&#039;s truly a pleasure to get to choose between Clinton and Obama.  My worry is that with McCain solidifying his lock, he may coast to a nomination while Clinton and Obama fight and spend massively through August. I don&#039;t look forward to fielding a bruised, broke, tired candidate.

So Hillary, Barack: think about it.  You are both very popular.  You&#039;re bringing people to the polls in droves.  Your policy differences are witheringly small.  And neither of you need a white male from the South or Midwest to &quot;balance the ticket.&quot;  

Make a pact, now.  Whoever gets to Denver with the most delegates gets to be the candidate, and the runner up is the veep.  Done.  Sure, you both want to win, but it&#039;s more important to win in November.  Somebody gets to make speeches and sign bills; the other gets to run the government and set policy.  Cheney, bless his black little heart, has made the VP job relevant, and either of you will make history in holding it.

Let&#039;s skip the catfight and the brokered convention and the disillusioned supporters of the runner-up and having to sign our &quot;Stimulus Rebates&quot; over to the DNCC.  We love you both.  We&#039;ll take you both, in either order.  

Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say it&#8217;s a little scary when Dennis Prager agrees with dday.  (<a href="http://dennisprager.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2008/02/05/memo_to_both_parties_vote_for_whos_best,_not_for_whos_electable" rel="nofollow">http://dennisprager.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2008/02/05/memo_to_both_parties_vote_for_whos_best,_not_for_whos_electable</a>)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s truly a pleasure to get to choose between Clinton and Obama.  My worry is that with McCain solidifying his lock, he may coast to a nomination while Clinton and Obama fight and spend massively through August. I don&#8217;t look forward to fielding a bruised, broke, tired candidate.</p>
<p>So Hillary, Barack: think about it.  You are both very popular.  You&#8217;re bringing people to the polls in droves.  Your policy differences are witheringly small.  And neither of you need a white male from the South or Midwest to &#8220;balance the ticket.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Make a pact, now.  Whoever gets to Denver with the most delegates gets to be the candidate, and the runner up is the veep.  Done.  Sure, you both want to win, but it&#8217;s more important to win in November.  Somebody gets to make speeches and sign bills; the other gets to run the government and set policy.  Cheney, bless his black little heart, has made the VP job relevant, and either of you will make history in holding it.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s skip the catfight and the brokered convention and the disillusioned supporters of the runner-up and having to sign our &#8220;Stimulus Rebates&#8221; over to the DNCC.  We love you both.  We&#8217;ll take you both, in either order.  </p>
<p>Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-491245</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What dday said. Not digby. doh!&lt;/i&gt;

This slip-up is forgivable. Frankly, I go to Digby to read Digby. DDay is an excellent writer (hence your mistake), but I&#039;m a bit of a grumpy old man when it comes to these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What dday said. Not digby. doh!</i></p>
<p>This slip-up is forgivable. Frankly, I go to Digby to read Digby. DDay is an excellent writer (hence your mistake), but I&#8217;m a bit of a grumpy old man when it comes to these things.</p>
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		<title>By: God</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-491220</link>
		<dc:creator>God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh just shut up, you tedious fuck. You&#039;re not doing yourself any favors up here by namedropping and spewing that shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh just shut up, you tedious fuck. You&#8217;re not doing yourself any favors up here by namedropping and spewing that shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris St. James</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-491176</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris St. James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve just spoken blasphemy Susan!  Blasphemy against God the Father the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve just spoken blasphemy Susan!  Blasphemy against God the Father the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris St. James</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-491171</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris St. James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God is a He you stupid ignorant heathen!</description>
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		<title>By: Hoosier X</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-491071</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoosier X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think these ‘not Obama’ rationalizations are about race.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s my conclusion. My friend is very nice and very funny and quite knowledgeable on a number of things. She majored in Women&#039;s Studies and Italian. But her Dad is a hick from Arkansas and, though he can see through Repug bullshit and is quite perceptive on non-race related issues, he has some less enlightened opinions on race. She kind of makes fun of him some of the time, but some of her comments make it clear she hasn&#039;t rolled far from the tree.

She frequently goes off on minority women&#039;s-studies students. In her mind, they are all hatin&#039; on the white women for not doing enough for black and/or Latino women. (I know just enough about the women&#039;s movement to find these discussions quite fascinating.)

I have little doubt that there were a  few hardcore students in her classes that WERE hatin&#039; on the white women. But my friend gets real bent out of shape about it, generalizes about minority students in women&#039;s studies and - back when she was taking those classes - she would talk about it all the time.

I&#039;m avoiding all talk of the election with her until the candidate is chosen. That is not a distraction I need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think these ‘not Obama’ rationalizations are about race.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s my conclusion. My friend is very nice and very funny and quite knowledgeable on a number of things. She majored in Women&#8217;s Studies and Italian. But her Dad is a hick from Arkansas and, though he can see through Repug bullshit and is quite perceptive on non-race related issues, he has some less enlightened opinions on race. She kind of makes fun of him some of the time, but some of her comments make it clear she hasn&#8217;t rolled far from the tree.</p>
<p>She frequently goes off on minority women&#8217;s-studies students. In her mind, they are all hatin&#8217; on the white women for not doing enough for black and/or Latino women. (I know just enough about the women&#8217;s movement to find these discussions quite fascinating.)</p>
<p>I have little doubt that there were a  few hardcore students in her classes that WERE hatin&#8217; on the white women. But my friend gets real bent out of shape about it, generalizes about minority students in women&#8217;s studies and &#8211; back when she was taking those classes &#8211; she would talk about it all the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m avoiding all talk of the election with her until the candidate is chosen. That is not a distraction I need.</p>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-491034</link>
		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;like the man in the street, almost completely ignorant of either man’s real positions and records&lt;/i&gt;
I&#039;m sure that will be cured by the debates and the informed media commentary in the course of the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>like the man in the street, almost completely ignorant of either man’s real positions and records</i><br />
I&#8217;m sure that will be cured by the debates and the informed media commentary in the course of the election.</p>
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		<title>By: Argonaut</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-491011</link>
		<dc:creator>Argonaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoosier X - I too know an intelligent well-educated lady who says she would rather vote for McCain over Obama because Obama isn&#039;t American enough. She&#039;s anti-war but socially medium-conservative. When I said, WTF?, she said he&#039;s a first generation American - not enough &#039;experience&#039; being American. That time I sub-vocalized my WTF. I think I was in shock.

Personally, I think these &#039;not Obama&#039; rationalizations are about race. We are all instinctively xenophobic. Her reaction is so clearly lacking in logic that it must be rooted way back in the fear center.  Of course I also think she is typically, like the man in the street, almost completely ignorant of either man&#039;s real positions and records, so maybe by November she&#039;ll come around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoosier X &#8211; I too know an intelligent well-educated lady who says she would rather vote for McCain over Obama because Obama isn&#8217;t American enough. She&#8217;s anti-war but socially medium-conservative. When I said, WTF?, she said he&#8217;s a first generation American &#8211; not enough &#8216;experience&#8217; being American. That time I sub-vocalized my WTF. I think I was in shock.</p>
<p>Personally, I think these &#8216;not Obama&#8217; rationalizations are about race. We are all instinctively xenophobic. Her reaction is so clearly lacking in logic that it must be rooted way back in the fear center.  Of course I also think she is typically, like the man in the street, almost completely ignorant of either man&#8217;s real positions and records, so maybe by November she&#8217;ll come around.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan of Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan of Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t give God the time of day. Her moral are questionable, her work ethic stinks, and her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.busybusybusy.com/images/jonahgoldberg22i.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sense of humor&lt;/a&gt; leaves a lot to be desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t give God the time of day. Her moral are questionable, her work ethic stinks, and her <a href="http://www.busybusybusy.com/images/jonahgoldberg22i.jpg" rel="nofollow">sense of humor</a> leaves a lot to be desired.</p>
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		<title>By: random idiot</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-490965</link>
		<dc:creator>random idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://wonkette.com/353418/magical-inkless-pens-help-obama-carry-nothing-in-chicago

Yup. Idiots.

I advocate the voting booths be placed at the end of a maze. The sort of thing your average lab rat can navigate in about 30 seconds. Anyone who can&#039;t find their way through it, can stay there till the next election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://wonkette.com/353418/magical-inkless-pens-help-obama-carry-nothing-in-chicago" rel="nofollow">http://wonkette.com/353418/magical-inkless-pens-help-obama-carry-nothing-in-chicago</a></p>
<p>Yup. Idiots.</p>
<p>I advocate the voting booths be placed at the end of a maze. The sort of thing your average lab rat can navigate in about 30 seconds. Anyone who can&#8217;t find their way through it, can stay there till the next election.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoosier X</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-490961</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoosier X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!

Isn&#039;t there supposed to be a concern troll scheduled to swoop in and call me a sexist and say all liberals are sexist?

Must have been delayed by a flat tire on the clown car on the way back from the 7-11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there supposed to be a concern troll scheduled to swoop in and call me a sexist and say all liberals are sexist?</p>
<p>Must have been delayed by a flat tire on the clown car on the way back from the 7-11.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoosier X</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-490960</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoosier X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, take God.

There&#039;s a &lt;strike&gt;chick&lt;/strike&gt; lady I&#039;d have a beer with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, take God.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a <strike>chick</strike> lady I&#8217;d have a beer with.</p>
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		<title>By: sxwarren</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-490954</link>
		<dc:creator>sxwarren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PeeJ:

Now you mention it, she &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; seem to get more cribs after I&#039;ve had a few shots.  She certainly can hold her liquor.  Swears like a sailor, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PeeJ:</p>
<p>Now you mention it, she <em>does</em> seem to get more cribs after I&#8217;ve had a few shots.  She certainly can hold her liquor.  Swears like a sailor, though.</p>
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		<title>By: J—</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8677.html#comment-490950</link>
		<dc:creator>J—</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Clinton and &lt;a href=&quot;http://harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama&lt;/a&gt; are big-business candidates.  Both breathed a sigh of relief when Edwards and his talk of economic inequality and corporate power left the race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Clinton and <a href="http://harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275" rel="nofollow">Obama</a> are big-business candidates.  Both breathed a sigh of relief when Edwards and his talk of economic inequality and corporate power left the race.</p>
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		<title>By: PeeJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas random, most Americans &lt;b&gt;are &lt;/b&gt;fucking idiots incapable of basic logic.  Apparently, there&#039;s at least one or two posters here in that set.  (I don&#039;t mean Gary St. Citadel Smegma who&#039;s below idiot level)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas random, most Americans <b>are </b>fucking idiots incapable of basic logic.  Apparently, there&#8217;s at least one or two posters here in that set.  (I don&#8217;t mean Gary St. Citadel Smegma who&#8217;s below idiot level)</p>
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		<title>By: Patkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, both of my Dem candidates dropped out (Kucinich and Edwards) but, like any good, decent human being, I&#039;ll vote for whatever center-right dumbshit the Democrats pull out of their ass this time again because the opposing side is so much fucking worse I cannot believe any of them were allowed near a voting booth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, both of my Dem candidates dropped out (Kucinich and Edwards) but, like any good, decent human being, I&#8217;ll vote for whatever center-right dumbshit the Democrats pull out of their ass this time again because the opposing side is so much fucking worse I cannot believe any of them were allowed near a voting booth.</p>
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		<title>By: random idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>random idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, which do you want? Somebody who voted for the disastrous war, but says they now regret it, and want to end the war.
Or somebody who didn&#039;t vote for the disastrous war, and hasn&#039;t really taken a huge stand against it, but also says they want to end it.

Or, on the republican side.. Three stooges who want the war to carry on forever, and are planning on an even MORE disastrous war.

If you don&#039;t vote for the Democrat on the grounds of the war, you are a fucking idiot incapable of basic logic. When they ask you &quot;cake or death?&quot; you don&#039;t fucking say &quot;oh, im on a diet, I suppose I&#039;l have to take the death.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, which do you want? Somebody who voted for the disastrous war, but says they now regret it, and want to end the war.<br />
Or somebody who didn&#8217;t vote for the disastrous war, and hasn&#8217;t really taken a huge stand against it, but also says they want to end it.</p>
<p>Or, on the republican side.. Three stooges who want the war to carry on forever, and are planning on an even MORE disastrous war.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t vote for the Democrat on the grounds of the war, you are a fucking idiot incapable of basic logic. When they ask you &#8220;cake or death?&#8221; you don&#8217;t fucking say &#8220;oh, im on a diet, I suppose I&#8217;l have to take the death.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hoosier X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoosier X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean, how many people will just sit out the November election because &quot;both sides are just as bad&quot;?

And how many people who DO go and vote will vote for the one who you&#039;d want to have a beer with?

(McCain beats both Hillary and Obama in this category. Doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;d trust him to watch my cactus for a few days.)

God knows what talking points the SCLM will drone into our heads by November. 

And Rove knows what dirty tricks will be needed for the Repugs to STEAL the election again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, how many people will just sit out the November election because &#8220;both sides are just as bad&#8221;?</p>
<p>And how many people who DO go and vote will vote for the one who you&#8217;d want to have a beer with?</p>
<p>(McCain beats both Hillary and Obama in this category. Doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;d trust him to watch my cactus for a few days.)</p>
<p>God knows what talking points the SCLM will drone into our heads by November. </p>
<p>And Rove knows what dirty tricks will be needed for the Repugs to STEAL the election again.</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Clinton inspires nothing in me. She is a corporate candidate, who cowardly voted for the war, the defining issue of the last decade. I will never vote for her.
I can’t say that Obama is a perfect candidate, but I would be happy to vote for him.&lt;/i&gt;

Who still hasn&#039;t voted AGAINST a war?

It&#039;s easy to talk, but he&#039;s a gutless coward based on his Senate voting record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Clinton inspires nothing in me. She is a corporate candidate, who cowardly voted for the war, the defining issue of the last decade. I will never vote for her.<br />
I can’t say that Obama is a perfect candidate, but I would be happy to vote for him.</i></p>
<p>Who still hasn&#8217;t voted AGAINST a war?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to talk, but he&#8217;s a gutless coward based on his Senate voting record.</p>
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