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	<description>Poise! Poise!</description>
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		<title>By: nobody</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8493.html#comment-431482</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe we should cross-check his facts against the comic books, too.. perhaps there was a long-term discussion by mail in a fanzine letters column which provided the impetus for the Pantload</description>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t look good in plaid, plus it was probably used by some Scottish fascists anyway.&lt;/i&gt;
Oh yeah. I can see that working out well. &quot;So you&#039;re a Fascist, fighting for Scottish unity, committed to revive the noble traditions of the Scottish Nation -- but are you a MacDonald Fascist, or one of those filthy Campbell Fascists?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t look good in plaid, plus it was probably used by some Scottish fascists anyway.</i><br />
Oh yeah. I can see that working out well. &#8220;So you&#8217;re a Fascist, fighting for Scottish unity, committed to revive the noble traditions of the Scottish Nation &#8212; but are you a MacDonald Fascist, or one of those filthy Campbell Fascists?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: J—</title>
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		<dc:creator>J—</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gold Shirts in Mexico, Green Shirts in Brazil.</description>
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		<title>By: Doctorb Science</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8493.html#comment-429970</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctorb Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, it&#039;s like there&#039;s not any shirt colors left.  Even green shirts (Franco-Agrarian authoritarians, plus the &quot;extras&quot; in GI Joe).  I don&#039;t look good in plaid, plus it was  probably used by some Scottish fascists anyway.  Rainbows are frankly kind of dumb looking, and being &quot;skins&quot; isn&#039;t a good option because it&#039;s cold out.  Red shirts, aside from their association with a fascist Mexican paramilitary organization, are the first members of the away team to get killed, letting you know that the planet is a dangerous one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, it&#8217;s like there&#8217;s not any shirt colors left.  Even green shirts (Franco-Agrarian authoritarians, plus the &#8220;extras&#8221; in GI Joe).  I don&#8217;t look good in plaid, plus it was  probably used by some Scottish fascists anyway.  Rainbows are frankly kind of dumb looking, and being &#8220;skins&#8221; isn&#8217;t a good option because it&#8217;s cold out.  Red shirts, aside from their association with a fascist Mexican paramilitary organization, are the first members of the away team to get killed, letting you know that the planet is a dangerous one.</p>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8493.html#comment-429873</link>
		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Irish fascists were &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueshirts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Blue Shirts&lt;/A&gt;! I have learned something new today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Irish fascists were <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blueshirts" rel="nofollow">the Blue Shirts</a>! I have learned something new today.</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drb,

We&#039;ve done Jonah to death!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drb,</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve done Jonah to death!</p>
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		<title>By: Drb Science</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8493.html#comment-429749</link>
		<dc:creator>Drb Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Brown Shorts?</description>
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		<title>By: OB-GYN Kenobi</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8493.html#comment-429499</link>
		<dc:creator>OB-GYN Kenobi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heil Spode!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderick_Spode

It&#039;s even funnier if you can get your hands on the DVDs of the series; Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie are, IMO, the *perfect* Jeeves and Wooster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heil Spode!</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderick_Spode" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderick_Spode</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s even funnier if you can get your hands on the DVDs of the series; Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie are, IMO, the *perfect* Jeeves and Wooster.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker Oates</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8493.html#comment-429409</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker Oates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Roderick Spode and the Black Shorts? It would be a shame if Jonah forgot them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Roderick Spode and the Black Shorts? It would be a shame if Jonah forgot them.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoosier X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoosier X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the way we know what word to use against the most awful, stupidest, deceitful beings is whatever Jonah calls himself?

Maaaa! Billy just called me a Buerkean conservative!

Expect it in stores for 2012:

Liberal Burkean Conservativsm: The Secret History of the Progressive Left from Sojourner Truth to Trader Joe&#039;s
by Jonah Goldberg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the way we know what word to use against the most awful, stupidest, deceitful beings is whatever Jonah calls himself?</p>
<p>Maaaa! Billy just called me a Buerkean conservative!</p>
<p>Expect it in stores for 2012:</p>
<p>Liberal Burkean Conservativsm: The Secret History of the Progressive Left from Sojourner Truth to Trader Joe&#8217;s<br />
by Jonah Goldberg</p>
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		<title>By: Monkay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;from Arky - Professional Peace Disturber :
 Jonah likes his Constitutions like he likes his women. Dead, cold and inflexible.&lt;/i&gt;
Ouch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>from Arky &#8211; Professional Peace Disturber :<br />
 Jonah likes his Constitutions like he likes his women. Dead, cold and inflexible.</i><br />
Ouch!</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This guy must look at the world through his nipples.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;d think he&#039;d have a broader view...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This guy must look at the world through his nipples.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;d think he&#8217;d have a broader view&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tehanu</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8493.html#comment-428687</link>
		<dc:creator>Tehanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;a supreme court that consults foreign laws is inherently undemocratic... &lt;/i&gt;

Why? Let&#039;s see:  we elect a President -- a real President, not one who sneaks in thru fraud in a state run by his brother -- and he appoints Supreme Court justices who actually read about what&#039;s going on in the 94% of the world that isn&#039;t the U.S.A., and who possibly use some of that information in their deliberations.  Why is it &quot;undemocratic&quot; of them to do that?  Is it because them furriners is EEEEEEVIL?  Or just because they&#039;re not Murkans, and any idea not originated by a Murkan is automatically wrong?

Actually, why am I even asking? We already know that Jonah just makes stuff up, including the definitions of every word he says.  [Emily Litella voice]: Never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>a supreme court that consults foreign laws is inherently undemocratic&#8230; </i></p>
<p>Why? Let&#8217;s see:  we elect a President &#8212; a real President, not one who sneaks in thru fraud in a state run by his brother &#8212; and he appoints Supreme Court justices who actually read about what&#8217;s going on in the 94% of the world that isn&#8217;t the U.S.A., and who possibly use some of that information in their deliberations.  Why is it &#8220;undemocratic&#8221; of them to do that?  Is it because them furriners is EEEEEEVIL?  Or just because they&#8217;re not Murkans, and any idea not originated by a Murkan is automatically wrong?</p>
<p>Actually, why am I even asking? We already know that Jonah just makes stuff up, including the definitions of every word he says.  [Emily Litella voice]: Never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: J—</title>
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		<dc:creator>J—</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No conservative revolutions? So Augusto Pinochet was a liberal? As was Francisco Franco? Well, shut my mouth.&lt;/i&gt;

Pinochet and Franco were conservative &lt;i&gt;reformers&lt;/i&gt;.  Just ask &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-goldberg14dec14,0,5277475.column?coll=la-opinion-center&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jonah&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Pinochet&#039;s abuses helped create a civil society. Once the initial bloodshed subsided, Chile was no prison. Pinochet built up democratic institutions and infrastructure. And by implementing free-market reforms, he lifted the Chilean people out of poverty. In 1988, he held a referendum and stepped down when the people voted him out. Yes, he feathered his nest from the treasury and took measures to protect himself from his enemies. His list of sins — both venal and moral — is long. But today Chile is a thriving, healthy democracy. Its economy is the envy of Latin America, and its literacy and infant mortality rates are impressive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2006_12_10_archive.html#116593570436707638&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Opinion Journal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Like Spain&#039;s Franco, Pinochet was an authoritarian who resisted the Communists and created the foundation of what would become a democratic transition. What remains is a Chile that has the healthiest economy in Latin America, a free press and a competitive political system that has allowed Socialists to come to power.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They saved democracy and free market from Communism.  No small feat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No conservative revolutions? So Augusto Pinochet was a liberal? As was Francisco Franco? Well, shut my mouth.</i></p>
<p>Pinochet and Franco were conservative <i>reformers</i>.  Just ask <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-goldberg14dec14,0,5277475.column?coll=la-opinion-center" rel="nofollow">Jonah</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Pinochet&#8217;s abuses helped create a civil society. Once the initial bloodshed subsided, Chile was no prison. Pinochet built up democratic institutions and infrastructure. And by implementing free-market reforms, he lifted the Chilean people out of poverty. In 1988, he held a referendum and stepped down when the people voted him out. Yes, he feathered his nest from the treasury and took measures to protect himself from his enemies. His list of sins — both venal and moral — is long. But today Chile is a thriving, healthy democracy. Its economy is the envy of Latin America, and its literacy and infant mortality rates are impressive.</p></blockquote>
<p>and the <a href="http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2006_12_10_archive.html#116593570436707638" rel="nofollow"><i>Opinion Journal</i></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Like Spain&#8217;s Franco, Pinochet was an authoritarian who resisted the Communists and created the foundation of what would become a democratic transition. What remains is a Chile that has the healthiest economy in Latin America, a free press and a competitive political system that has allowed Socialists to come to power.</p></blockquote>
<p>They saved democracy and free market from Communism.  No small feat.</p>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No conservative revolutions? So Augusto Pinochet was a liberal? As was Francisco Franco? Well, shut my mouth.&lt;/i&gt;
Clearly they weren&#039;t Burkean conservatives, intent on preserving the existing order; thus they were necessarily liberals, as the only remaining alternative. They may have been right-wing liberals -- this only strengthens my argument.

They may well have used rhetoric about unifying society behind a common goal... yes, this would also make them fascist. But remember, there is no pejorative force to the world &#039;fascist&#039;. It is only a description. 

As people have pointed out, Lincoln was a fascist. Martin Luther King was clearly a fascist, with his revivalist talk and his transformative dreams for the nation. J F Kennedy was a fascist. What of it? No-one should be insulted by these descriptions. Jonah could call &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; a fascist, and you would have no reason to take offense. You could call &lt;i&gt;him&lt;/i&gt; a fascist, and he wouldn&#039;t be insulted, though he would shake his head and smirk and point out that his Burkean Conservative membership makes that unpossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No conservative revolutions? So Augusto Pinochet was a liberal? As was Francisco Franco? Well, shut my mouth.</i><br />
Clearly they weren&#8217;t Burkean conservatives, intent on preserving the existing order; thus they were necessarily liberals, as the only remaining alternative. They may have been right-wing liberals &#8212; this only strengthens my argument.</p>
<p>They may well have used rhetoric about unifying society behind a common goal&#8230; yes, this would also make them fascist. But remember, there is no pejorative force to the world &#8216;fascist&#8217;. It is only a description. </p>
<p>As people have pointed out, Lincoln was a fascist. Martin Luther King was clearly a fascist, with his revivalist talk and his transformative dreams for the nation. J F Kennedy was a fascist. What of it? No-one should be insulted by these descriptions. Jonah could call <i>you</i> a fascist, and you would have no reason to take offense. You could call <i>him</i> a fascist, and he wouldn&#8217;t be insulted, though he would shake his head and smirk and point out that his Burkean Conservative membership makes that unpossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Fozzetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fozzetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worst Pres.Evar:  The argument goes more like this in our house:  
1. Did you clean your room?
2. Yes
3. Under the bed?
4. Waaa!  You didn&#039;t say under the bed!
5.....
6. Is your room clean NOW?
7. Yes
8. Did you put your stuff away or shove it all in the closet?
9. Waaaaa!  You&#039;re so MEAN! Waaaa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst Pres.Evar:  The argument goes more like this in our house:<br />
1. Did you clean your room?<br />
2. Yes<br />
3. Under the bed?<br />
4. Waaa!  You didn&#8217;t say under the bed!<br />
5&#8230;..<br />
6. Is your room clean NOW?<br />
7. Yes<br />
8. Did you put your stuff away or shove it all in the closet?<br />
9. Waaaaa!  You&#8217;re so MEAN! Waaaa!</p>
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		<title>By: Arky - Professional Peace Disturber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arky - Professional Peace Disturber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mein Kampf is a profoundly self-serving propaganda document (which I have read). Of course he’s going to ridicule the doctrines and integrity of his competitors to justify the Nazi REVOLUTION (there are no conservative revolutions).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This guy must look at the world through his nipples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mein Kampf is a profoundly self-serving propaganda document (which I have read). Of course he’s going to ridicule the doctrines and integrity of his competitors to justify the Nazi REVOLUTION (there are no conservative revolutions).</p></blockquote>
<p>This guy must look at the world through his nipples.</p>
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		<title>By: PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shitfinger! That&#039;s fucking hilarious!

Shiit-fingerr. The man with the shiitty touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shitfinger! That&#8217;s fucking hilarious!</p>
<p>Shiit-fingerr. The man with the shiitty touch.</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good goddamn, Jonah is a Turtledove fanboy! &lt;i&gt;Sweet Georgia Brown,&lt;/i&gt; does that explain a whole lot!

Alternate history is pretty lousy with the trekkie wing of the far right for some weird reason. I say this with shame as someone more into it than he should be. I am, or at least was, also a Turtledove fanboy. But then again, I was seventeen at the time, so take that with a grain of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good goddamn, Jonah is a Turtledove fanboy! <i>Sweet Georgia Brown,</i> does that explain a whole lot!</p>
<p>Alternate history is pretty lousy with the trekkie wing of the far right for some weird reason. I say this with shame as someone more into it than he should be. I am, or at least was, also a Turtledove fanboy. But then again, I was seventeen at the time, so take that with a grain of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: Worst. President. Ever.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worst. President. Ever.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more try:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers_Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more try:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers_Party" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers_Party</a></p>
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