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		<title>By: Worst. President. Ever.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-409336</link>
		<dc:creator>Worst. President. Ever.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Amber, I know you&#039;re reading this--- why didn&#039;t you ever go sign up for the war you helped monger? You said you were going to enlist.

Could it be just because you&#039;re just another GOP chickenshit like THESE PEOPLE?

Military Service Eligible Children of George W. Bush

Jenna Bush
Barbara Bush

Military Service Eligible Children of Jeb Bush

George P. Bush
Noelle Bush
John Ellis Bush Jr.

Military Service Eligible Children of Neil Bush

Lauren Bush
Pierce Bush

Military Service Eligible Children of Marvin Bush

Marshall Bush

Military Service Eligible Children of Dorothy Bush Koch

Samuel LeBlond
Ellie LeBlond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Amber, I know you&#8217;re reading this&#8212; why didn&#8217;t you ever go sign up for the war you helped monger? You said you were going to enlist.</p>
<p>Could it be just because you&#8217;re just another GOP chickenshit like THESE PEOPLE?</p>
<p>Military Service Eligible Children of George W. Bush</p>
<p>Jenna Bush<br />
Barbara Bush</p>
<p>Military Service Eligible Children of Jeb Bush</p>
<p>George P. Bush<br />
Noelle Bush<br />
John Ellis Bush Jr.</p>
<p>Military Service Eligible Children of Neil Bush</p>
<p>Lauren Bush<br />
Pierce Bush</p>
<p>Military Service Eligible Children of Marvin Bush</p>
<p>Marshall Bush</p>
<p>Military Service Eligible Children of Dorothy Bush Koch</p>
<p>Samuel LeBlond<br />
Ellie LeBlond</p>
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		<title>By: Cpl. Cam</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-409010</link>
		<dc:creator>Cpl. Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell, I&#039;ve never thought of the occupation of Iraq as a war either, a war is when two armies are fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell, I&#8217;ve never thought of the occupation of Iraq as a war either, a war is when two armies are fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Moorehead</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-408903</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Moorehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent many years as an IE, though I think it&#039;s important to note that my degree is in Mechanical Engineering, so I am capable of real engineering work. My IE work consisted mostly of firing people...sorry, &quot;optimizing resources&quot;. Still, it was better than my stint designing air navigation systems for F-18s so they could  more accurately kill brown people on the other side of the planet.

I ended up leaving engineering entirely (though I keep my license up to date), and going to art school instead. I make less money, but sleep easier at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent many years as an IE, though I think it&#8217;s important to note that my degree is in Mechanical Engineering, so I am capable of real engineering work. My IE work consisted mostly of firing people&#8230;sorry, &#8220;optimizing resources&#8221;. Still, it was better than my stint designing air navigation systems for F-18s so they could  more accurately kill brown people on the other side of the planet.</p>
<p>I ended up leaving engineering entirely (though I keep my license up to date), and going to art school instead. I make less money, but sleep easier at night.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-408847</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Blaargh. That isn’t cooking, that’s anarchy in the kitchen.&lt;/i&gt;

Not even. It&#039;s vandalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Blaargh. That isn’t cooking, that’s anarchy in the kitchen.</i></p>
<p>Not even. It&#8217;s vandalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandi</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-408837</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I read the “recipies” and have come to the conclusion that Amber is actually Rachel Ray.&lt;/i&gt;

I think you mean Sandra &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_25303,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Why yes, Corn Nuts ARE a cake topping!&quot;&lt;/a&gt; Lee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I read the “recipies” and have come to the conclusion that Amber is actually Rachel Ray.</i></p>
<p>I think you mean Sandra <a href="http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_25303,00.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Why yes, Corn Nuts ARE a cake topping!&#8221;</a> Lee.</p>
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		<title>By: Arky - Fascitanata</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-408836</link>
		<dc:creator>Arky - Fascitanata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;WARNING: You will never be able to order nachos at a restaurant or bar ever again, as &lt;i&gt;you will tear your tounge out and beat it with a rock if you eat mine&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

HVK, I am soo disturbed that I instantly recognized &quot;Jean&#039;s&quot; name.

Must. Get. Life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>WARNING: You will never be able to order nachos at a restaurant or bar ever again, as <i>you will tear your tounge out and beat it with a rock if you eat mine</i>.</p></blockquote>
<p>HVK, I am soo disturbed that I instantly recognized &#8220;Jean&#8217;s&#8221; name.</p>
<p>Must. Get. Life.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Valley Kamper</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-408799</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Valley Kamper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised no one has mentioned the great Jean Teasdale. She and Amber must have been separated at birth. Actually, Jean is the more accomplished prose stylist, er, I mean, thingy with making words go together good.   

http://www.theonion.com/content/columnists/view/teasdale

As evidence, here&#039;s an excerpt from Jean&#039;s latest:

&quot;Finally, after weeks and weeks of wishing and hoping and planning and dreaming, Jeansperience &#039;07 is happening this Saturday! Needless to say, I&#039;m soooo excited to meet some of my biggest fans and give them a first-ever opportunity to experience the places in my life as well as get to know me personally! And if you&#039;re still kicking yourself for not signing up by the Aug. 30 deadline, take heart (and tie a pillow around your sore rear!)—there&#039;s still several seats available in the van I&#039;ve chartered! And I&#039;m still not sure whether Bobbi, Mr. Benedict, and this friend of my buddy Fulgencio who likes to wear eyeliner have entirely committed.&quot;

Now compare that to the real Amber:
&quot;The problem with nutrition today, the reason why most Americans are clueless about what is healthy or is not healthy, is every single new fad diet that comes out and every single new piece of conflicting information about what is healthy or not healthy, which creates confusion over what is food is healthy.   The illusion is that there is no right or wrong way to eat; that what is healthy today won&#039;t be healthy tomorrow; that nutrition is a mysterious, mystical world.   For some people, this irrationality brings confusion and frustration.  For others, it provides an excuse.  This article sets out to bring rationality to the world of nutrition. Indeed, I remember when I was a teenager, I read that Cindy Crawford said part of her diet was to eliminate bread.   This baffled and confused me because I thought that bread was a good food, as opposed to candy, cake, etc.  I gave up learning about diet from then no.  I have now returned to it.&quot;  

I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised no one has mentioned the great Jean Teasdale. She and Amber must have been separated at birth. Actually, Jean is the more accomplished prose stylist, er, I mean, thingy with making words go together good.   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/columnists/view/teasdale" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/content/columnists/view/teasdale</a></p>
<p>As evidence, here&#8217;s an excerpt from Jean&#8217;s latest:</p>
<p>&#8220;Finally, after weeks and weeks of wishing and hoping and planning and dreaming, Jeansperience &#8217;07 is happening this Saturday! Needless to say, I&#8217;m soooo excited to meet some of my biggest fans and give them a first-ever opportunity to experience the places in my life as well as get to know me personally! And if you&#8217;re still kicking yourself for not signing up by the Aug. 30 deadline, take heart (and tie a pillow around your sore rear!)—there&#8217;s still several seats available in the van I&#8217;ve chartered! And I&#8217;m still not sure whether Bobbi, Mr. Benedict, and this friend of my buddy Fulgencio who likes to wear eyeliner have entirely committed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now compare that to the real Amber:<br />
&#8220;The problem with nutrition today, the reason why most Americans are clueless about what is healthy or is not healthy, is every single new fad diet that comes out and every single new piece of conflicting information about what is healthy or not healthy, which creates confusion over what is food is healthy.   The illusion is that there is no right or wrong way to eat; that what is healthy today won&#8217;t be healthy tomorrow; that nutrition is a mysterious, mystical world.   For some people, this irrationality brings confusion and frustration.  For others, it provides an excuse.  This article sets out to bring rationality to the world of nutrition. Indeed, I remember when I was a teenager, I read that Cindy Crawford said part of her diet was to eliminate bread.   This baffled and confused me because I thought that bread was a good food, as opposed to candy, cake, etc.  I gave up learning about diet from then no.  I have now returned to it.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Stanhope</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-408592</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Stanhope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see that her nachos recipe comes with a WARNING?!
&lt;blockquote&gt;WARNING: You will never be able to order nachos at a restaurant or bar ever again, as they simply won&#039;t measure up to the ones you can make at home.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The other recipes do not carry warnings.  Perhaps that&#039;s why she took the recipe page down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see that her nachos recipe comes with a WARNING?!</p>
<blockquote><p>WARNING: You will never be able to order nachos at a restaurant or bar ever again, as they simply won&#8217;t measure up to the ones you can make at home.</p></blockquote>
<p>The other recipes do not carry warnings.  Perhaps that&#8217;s why she took the recipe page down?</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So we’re basically talking about interior design with stuff like Hobarts (Dishwashers) and commercial stoves, or cubicle arrangements? Give me a break. Most office managers worth their salt can figure that stuff out.&lt;/i&gt;

Having worked in offices, I strongly disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So we’re basically talking about interior design with stuff like Hobarts (Dishwashers) and commercial stoves, or cubicle arrangements? Give me a break. Most office managers worth their salt can figure that stuff out.</i></p>
<p>Having worked in offices, I strongly disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-408537</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;[IEs] aren’t so much into the human end of ‘efficiency’ (like the Bobs in Office Space) more on the layout of machinery, distance from one machine to another.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

No one would let a chick that stupid near machinery with moving conveyor belts, because she&#039;s invariably an OSHA disaster waiting to happen. So we&#039;re basically talking about interior design with stuff like Hobarts (Dishwashers) and commercial stoves, or cubicle arrangements? Give me a break. Most office managers worth their salt can figure that stuff out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;[IEs] aren’t so much into the human end of ‘efficiency’ (like the Bobs in Office Space) more on the layout of machinery, distance from one machine to another.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No one would let a chick that stupid near machinery with moving conveyor belts, because she&#8217;s invariably an OSHA disaster waiting to happen. So we&#8217;re basically talking about interior design with stuff like Hobarts (Dishwashers) and commercial stoves, or cubicle arrangements? Give me a break. Most office managers worth their salt can figure that stuff out.</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National Lampoon was pretty much angling for that from the get-go. It&#039;s just that, like SNL, they used to actually give a shit about what they did.

It used to be you actually had to provide a worthwhile service to be a corporate juggernaut, see.

Mmm. I sure love me some Coke Classic Zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National Lampoon was pretty much angling for that from the get-go. It&#8217;s just that, like SNL, they used to actually give a shit about what they did.</p>
<p>It used to be you actually had to provide a worthwhile service to be a corporate juggernaut, see.</p>
<p>Mmm. I sure love me some Coke Classic Zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was suddenly reminded of Dan Quayle&#039;s recipe for the Indiana Whiz Baloney sandwich, as printed in the National Lampoon.  It sounded right up Amber&#039;s alley.

Unfortunately, when I went looking for the recipe to share, I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://nationallampoon.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, and realized that the magazine that printed that column is now &quot;one of the leading brands in comedy for over 35 years&quot; with stock market ticker NLN, and gears its product to Amber, and those just like her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was suddenly reminded of Dan Quayle&#8217;s recipe for the Indiana Whiz Baloney sandwich, as printed in the National Lampoon.  It sounded right up Amber&#8217;s alley.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, when I went looking for the recipe to share, I found <a href="http://nationallampoon.com/" rel="nofollow">this</a>, and realized that the magazine that printed that column is now &#8220;one of the leading brands in comedy for over 35 years&#8221; with stock market ticker NLN, and gears its product to Amber, and those just like her.</p>
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		<title>By: SamFromUtah</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-408447</link>
		<dc:creator>SamFromUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They aren’t so much into the human end of ‘efficiency’ (like the Bobs in Office Space) more on the layout of machinery, distance from one machine to another.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, ok. From the sound of it, that&#039;s interesting and necessary sort of stuff, though it surprises me that there&#039;s an entire engineering discipline built around it (though if the IE folks are all that fluffy, that would explain just how deep a discipline it is). Lately I tend to hear &quot;productivity&quot; as a code word for &quot;fire lots of people and force those remaining to work unpaid overtime&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They aren’t so much into the human end of ‘efficiency’ (like the Bobs in Office Space) more on the layout of machinery, distance from one machine to another.</i></p>
<p>Oh, ok. From the sound of it, that&#8217;s interesting and necessary sort of stuff, though it surprises me that there&#8217;s an entire engineering discipline built around it (though if the IE folks are all that fluffy, that would explain just how deep a discipline it is). Lately I tend to hear &#8220;productivity&#8221; as a code word for &#8220;fire lots of people and force those remaining to work unpaid overtime&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re, industrial engineers:

As a grad student, it was recommended (quite a good recommendation too) I take a course in combinatorial optimization / network flows.  The course I took was also a course that IE grad students could take to fulfill one of their requirements, so, even though it was a Computer Sci. course, about half the class were IE students.

The IE students were almost all (if you&#039;ll pardon my sexism) petite, lithe women who seemed to be entering the field because their main desire in life was to boss around big burly assembly line workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re, industrial engineers:</p>
<p>As a grad student, it was recommended (quite a good recommendation too) I take a course in combinatorial optimization / network flows.  The course I took was also a course that IE grad students could take to fulfill one of their requirements, so, even though it was a Computer Sci. course, about half the class were IE students.</p>
<p>The IE students were almost all (if you&#8217;ll pardon my sexism) petite, lithe women who seemed to be entering the field because their main desire in life was to boss around big burly assembly line workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Coelacanth</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8377.html#comment-408442</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Coelacanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This woman has a recipe for “VEGGIE PIZZA”!&quot;

Yeah, veggie pizza with fucking Miracle Whip in it. Not to mention cream cheese and ranch dressing. This does sound like drunk college-kid food. &quot;Dude, I was so stoned and fucked up, I just poured everything in the fridge into a pan, baked it until it was hot and ate it!&quot;

No wonder she removed these from her site. Beyond revolting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This woman has a recipe for “VEGGIE PIZZA”!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, veggie pizza with fucking Miracle Whip in it. Not to mention cream cheese and ranch dressing. This does sound like drunk college-kid food. &#8220;Dude, I was so stoned and fucked up, I just poured everything in the fridge into a pan, baked it until it was hot and ate it!&#8221;</p>
<p>No wonder she removed these from her site. Beyond revolting.</p>
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		<title>By: Seanly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seanly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ain&#039;t the only liberal CE?  Praise Jeebus!

About those recipes: she must know something if she eats that much mayo/miracle whip &amp; is still able to ambulate.

Sam ~ yes, IE&#039;s do truly exist. They aren&#039;t so much into the human end of &#039;efficiency&#039; (like the Bobs in &lt;i&gt;Office Space&lt;/I&gt;) more on the layout of machinery, distance from one machine to another.  

I am actually a structural engineer who design bridges. Since the roadway engineers are fellow CE&#039;s it&#039;s pretty hard to hate on them, misguided though they may be. My foil tends to be the contractors who can&#039;t read a drawing or specs to save their life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ain&#8217;t the only liberal CE?  Praise Jeebus!</p>
<p>About those recipes: she must know something if she eats that much mayo/miracle whip &amp; is still able to ambulate.</p>
<p>Sam ~ yes, IE&#8217;s do truly exist. They aren&#8217;t so much into the human end of &#8216;efficiency&#8217; (like the Bobs in <i>Office Space</i>) more on the layout of machinery, distance from one machine to another.  </p>
<p>I am actually a structural engineer who design bridges. Since the roadway engineers are fellow CE&#8217;s it&#8217;s pretty hard to hate on them, misguided though they may be. My foil tends to be the contractors who can&#8217;t read a drawing or specs to save their life.</p>
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		<title>By: Legalize</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legalize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is awesome too: 

&quot;I have a good [recipe] for meatball subs, too, but I never actually made them yet to be able to type it out.&quot;

The fuck does that mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome too: </p>
<p>&#8220;I have a good [recipe] for meatball subs, too, but I never actually made them yet to be able to type it out.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fuck does that mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Legalize</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legalize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute.  This woman has a recipe for &quot;VEGGIE PIZZA&quot;!  Does this not make her part of the international liberal fascist conspiracy to force sovereign Americans to eat good like the communist Europeans, what with their good health, relative happiness, and ample vactation time?  Of course, this is central to my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute.  This woman has a recipe for &#8220;VEGGIE PIZZA&#8221;!  Does this not make her part of the international liberal fascist conspiracy to force sovereign Americans to eat good like the communist Europeans, what with their good health, relative happiness, and ample vactation time?  Of course, this is central to my point.</p>
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		<title>By: SamFromUtah</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamFromUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At school, we called them Imaginary Engineers because they didn’t do any actual engineering...They are the education majors of the technical realms.&lt;/i&gt;

Ouch. I&#039;d never heard of Industrial Engineers before, having been on the software side all these years and not paying much attention to anything outside my immediate surroundings. 

&lt;i&gt;“to make processes more efficient, to make products more manufacturable and consistent in their quality, and to increase productivity.”&lt;/i&gt;

So... they recommend layoffs, outsourcing, and lobbying for deregulation of product safety standards?

&lt;i&gt;Sort of like architects are to civil engineers ...&lt;/i&gt;

My sister in law is a CE and her opinion of architects is identical to yours. Seems like every (real) engineering job has some kind of foil like that - I guess mine would be the marketing people who promise a bunch of features to customers and &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; come back and tell the programming team about them, usually by saying &quot;Ah, would it be any trouble to add feature X?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At school, we called them Imaginary Engineers because they didn’t do any actual engineering&#8230;They are the education majors of the technical realms.</i></p>
<p>Ouch. I&#8217;d never heard of Industrial Engineers before, having been on the software side all these years and not paying much attention to anything outside my immediate surroundings. </p>
<p><i>“to make processes more efficient, to make products more manufacturable and consistent in their quality, and to increase productivity.”</i></p>
<p>So&#8230; they recommend layoffs, outsourcing, and lobbying for deregulation of product safety standards?</p>
<p><i>Sort of like architects are to civil engineers &#8230;</i></p>
<p>My sister in law is a CE and her opinion of architects is identical to yours. Seems like every (real) engineering job has some kind of foil like that &#8211; I guess mine would be the marketing people who promise a bunch of features to customers and <i>then</i> come back and tell the programming team about them, usually by saying &#8220;Ah, would it be any trouble to add feature X?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Buddha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Buddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Seanly said,

January 3, 2008 at 16:24

I see she’s an Industrial Engineer (IE) ~ a field devoted “to make processes more efficient, to make products more manufacturable and consistent in their quality, and to increase productivity.” (cribbed by this lazy civil engineer from Wiki). At school, we called them Imaginary Engineers because they didn’t do any actual engineering.

Seeing her lazy &amp; hideous recipes convinces me that we were right about IE’s. They are the education majors of the technical realms.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sort of like architects are to civil engineers (I have a degree in CE as well ;) ).  Sure, it&#039;s good to make buildings look aesthetically pleasing, because otherwise everything would be gray boxes.  But when an architect&#039;s ideas are so out there that they severely sacrifice functionality (Frank Lloyd Wright&#039;s buildings often fell apart) or context (ie: anything built by Frank Gehry), you have to question the ability of that person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Seanly said,</p>
<p>January 3, 2008 at 16:24</p>
<p>I see she’s an Industrial Engineer (IE) ~ a field devoted “to make processes more efficient, to make products more manufacturable and consistent in their quality, and to increase productivity.” (cribbed by this lazy civil engineer from Wiki). At school, we called them Imaginary Engineers because they didn’t do any actual engineering.</p>
<p>Seeing her lazy &amp; hideous recipes convinces me that we were right about IE’s. They are the education majors of the technical realms.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sort of like architects are to civil engineers (I have a degree in CE as well ;) ).  Sure, it&#8217;s good to make buildings look aesthetically pleasing, because otherwise everything would be gray boxes.  But when an architect&#8217;s ideas are so out there that they severely sacrifice functionality (Frank Lloyd Wright&#8217;s buildings often fell apart) or context (ie: anything built by Frank Gehry), you have to question the ability of that person.</p>
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