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		<title>By: Martin Gifford</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-386303</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Gifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocons conflated the &quot;success&quot; of 19 individuals (mostly Saudi) into a &quot;Global War on Terror&quot;.

But it was just 19 terrorists who found a hole in US security on one day in 2001 after years of trying.

We only had to fix the hole, and catch the perpetrators. 

The GWOT is a neocon fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocons conflated the &#8220;success&#8221; of 19 individuals (mostly Saudi) into a &#8220;Global War on Terror&#8221;.</p>
<p>But it was just 19 terrorists who found a hole in US security on one day in 2001 after years of trying.</p>
<p>We only had to fix the hole, and catch the perpetrators. </p>
<p>The GWOT is a neocon fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-385685</link>
		<dc:creator>Imran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be they should use the same type of treatment against all those illegal aliens who come into the USA from Mexico as they pose a far greater threat to us, our wives and children, and our civilization.

After all what will happen if we don&#039;t have well manicured lawns?

Just asking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be they should use the same type of treatment against all those illegal aliens who come into the USA from Mexico as they pose a far greater threat to us, our wives and children, and our civilization.</p>
<p>After all what will happen if we don&#8217;t have well manicured lawns?</p>
<p>Just asking?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Gifford</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-384797</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Gifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Looking back, it’s very easy to condemn the extraordinary measures our government took to try to save lives [EXCEPT FOR AROUND 3800 AMERICAN SOLIDERS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS] in the wake of 9/11.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Looking back, it’s very easy to condemn the extraordinary measures our government took to try to save lives [EXCEPT FOR AROUND 3800 AMERICAN SOLIDERS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS] in the wake of 9/11.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: brooksfoe</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-384726</link>
		<dc:creator>brooksfoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the &quot;collective amnesia&quot; here might be caused by people erasing videotapes? 

Not to mention a tenfold increase in paper-shredding, the invention  of new arbitrary categories of secrecy, etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the &#8220;collective amnesia&#8221; here might be caused by people erasing videotapes? </p>
<p>Not to mention a tenfold increase in paper-shredding, the invention  of new arbitrary categories of secrecy, etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: aka</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-384519</link>
		<dc:creator>aka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looks like they&#039;re throwing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cia24dec24,0,5558164.story?coll=la-home-nation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jose rodriguez under the bus&lt;/a&gt; :
&lt;blockquote&gt;The order to destroy the recordings came from Jose A. Rodriguez Jr., then-head of the CIA&#039;s clandestine service, which deploys spies overseas and carries out covert operations. 
[snip]
But the clandestine service has long been the most influential branch in the agency. It has a reputation for undermining directors perceived as hostile to the service -- including Goss -- and has developed a fierce instinct for protecting the agency&#039;s interests.
[snip]
That culture, current and former intelligence officials said, helps to explain why Rodriguez ordered the tapes destroyed despite cautions against doing so from senior lawmakers, White House attorneys and the agency&#039;s director.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


CYA for all the top guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looks like they&#8217;re throwing <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cia24dec24,0,5558164.story?coll=la-home-nation" rel="nofollow">jose rodriguez under the bus</a> :</p>
<blockquote><p>The order to destroy the recordings came from Jose A. Rodriguez Jr., then-head of the CIA&#8217;s clandestine service, which deploys spies overseas and carries out covert operations.<br />
[snip]<br />
But the clandestine service has long been the most influential branch in the agency. It has a reputation for undermining directors perceived as hostile to the service &#8212; including Goss &#8212; and has developed a fierce instinct for protecting the agency&#8217;s interests.<br />
[snip]<br />
That culture, current and former intelligence officials said, helps to explain why Rodriguez ordered the tapes destroyed despite cautions against doing so from senior lawmakers, White House attorneys and the agency&#8217;s director.
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<p>CYA for all the top guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Pandagon :: :: December :: 2007</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-384321</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandagon :: :: December :: 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] complete denial. They’ll do anything to avoid thinking about what’s actually going on – from setting up the most ridiculous false dichotomies, to saying everyone’s doing it to parsing into [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] complete denial. They’ll do anything to avoid thinking about what’s actually going on – from setting up the most ridiculous false dichotomies, to saying everyone’s doing it to parsing into [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-383879</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s the sort of basic expectation your average sane person has of their government.&quot;  Fantastic line, Jillian.  FYI, I&#039;ve been keeping track of various government disappointments &lt;a href=&quot;http://pruningshears.squarespace.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;over here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s the sort of basic expectation your average sane person has of their government.&#8221;  Fantastic line, Jillian.  FYI, I&#8217;ve been keeping track of various government disappointments <a href="http://pruningshears.squarespace.com/" rel="nofollow">over here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-383189</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenician in a time of Romans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The tapes’ release would have jeopardized sources and methods used by the CIA, the most serious category of risk to American intelligence. And their release might have led to assassinations of CIA operatives, greater risk for our captured soldiers, and international hand-wringing by our putative allies.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Plame&quot;, shitforbrains, &quot;Plame&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The tapes’ release would have jeopardized sources and methods used by the CIA, the most serious category of risk to American intelligence. And their release might have led to assassinations of CIA operatives, greater risk for our captured soldiers, and international hand-wringing by our putative allies.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Plame&#8221;, shitforbrains, &#8220;Plame&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DocAmazing</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-382607</link>
		<dc:creator>DocAmazing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, if I can watch 2 Girls 1 Cup for free, I want those tapes on the Intart00bz NOW!

It&#039;s my right as an American!  Pr0n 24/7 F0R FR33!!!1!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, if I can watch 2 Girls 1 Cup for free, I want those tapes on the Intart00bz NOW!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my right as an American!  Pr0n 24/7 F0R FR33!!!1!!</p>
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		<title>By: piotr</title>
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		<dc:creator>piotr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me defend the decision to destroy the tape.

As Chavez noted, we suffer from collective amnesia about what happened in the aftermath of 9/11.  Unfortunately, we still remember waaaay too much, so the healing process of the amnesia has to be helped.

Otherwise, what is the alternative?  Sooner or later, someone would leak the tape.  Agents seen in those tapes would instantly gain a cult status, and whatever is seen on those tapes would be pronounced just and good, and I am afraid that we are not talking about water boarding here.  Water boarding was conceded as defensible method that fits within &quot;we do not torture&quot; claim, and the secret tapes almost surely have much more grizzly content.    And a certain category of torture enthusiasts would be getting orgasm by watching them again and again, living them with no body fluids to share with co-enthusiasts of the fair sex (like Linda Chavez).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me defend the decision to destroy the tape.</p>
<p>As Chavez noted, we suffer from collective amnesia about what happened in the aftermath of 9/11.  Unfortunately, we still remember waaaay too much, so the healing process of the amnesia has to be helped.</p>
<p>Otherwise, what is the alternative?  Sooner or later, someone would leak the tape.  Agents seen in those tapes would instantly gain a cult status, and whatever is seen on those tapes would be pronounced just and good, and I am afraid that we are not talking about water boarding here.  Water boarding was conceded as defensible method that fits within &#8220;we do not torture&#8221; claim, and the secret tapes almost surely have much more grizzly content.    And a certain category of torture enthusiasts would be getting orgasm by watching them again and again, living them with no body fluids to share with co-enthusiasts of the fair sex (like Linda Chavez).</p>
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		<title>By: The Republic of Stupidity</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-382506</link>
		<dc:creator>The Republic of Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... how old is that picture at the top?

Look how much Brusch has aged since then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; how old is that picture at the top?</p>
<p>Look how much Brusch has aged since then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 5thKolumnisto</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-382474</link>
		<dc:creator>5thKolumnisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chavez??? Rodriguez???

What part of ILLEGAL DON&#039;T YOU UNDERSTAND????????

[Sorry. Wrong thread.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chavez??? Rodriguez???</p>
<p>What part of ILLEGAL DON&#8217;T YOU UNDERSTAND????????</p>
<p>[Sorry. Wrong thread.]</p>
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		<title>By: montag</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-382471</link>
		<dc:creator>montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A crapulous sack of dishonesty pretty well sums it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A crapulous sack of dishonesty pretty well sums it up.</p>
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		<title>By: thelogos</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-382431</link>
		<dc:creator>thelogos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if you&#039;re wrong about the expectations of Americans? What if a majority, having been fed decades of that ticking time-bomb, maverick cop breaking the rules story &lt;i&gt;expect&lt;/i&gt; torture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you&#8217;re wrong about the expectations of Americans? What if a majority, having been fed decades of that ticking time-bomb, maverick cop breaking the rules story <i>expect</i> torture?</p>
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		<title>By: snoozer</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-382243</link>
		<dc:creator>snoozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another link for the same article:

http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=22864


Johnson says Rodriguez got his fingers burnt during the Iran-contra scandal while working for the CIA in Latin America in the 1980s. Even then he sought authorisation from senior officials. But when summoned to the FBI for questioning, he was told Iran-contra was “political – get your own lawyer”. 


wheels within wheels, bendreth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another link for the same article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=22864" rel="nofollow">http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=22864</a></p>
<p>Johnson says Rodriguez got his fingers burnt during the Iran-contra scandal while working for the CIA in Latin America in the 1980s. Even then he sought authorisation from senior officials. But when summoned to the FBI for questioning, he was told Iran-contra was “political – get your own lawyer”. </p>
<p>wheels within wheels, bendreth.</p>
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		<title>By: snoozer</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-382207</link>
		<dc:creator>snoozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda Chavez will have to find someone else for her medals and the world needs more immunity from prosecution for whistle blowers:

THE CIA chief who ordered the destruction of secret videotapes recording the harsh interrogation of two top Al-Qaeda suspects has indicated he may seek immunity from prosecution in exchange for testifying before the House intelligence committee. 


Jose Rodriguez, former head of the CIA’s clandestine service, is determined not to become the fall guy in the controversy over the CIA’s use of torture, according to intelligence sources. 



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3087293.ece


Oooh, this is just too good, someone refusing to be a scapegoat even for a nice shiney medal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda Chavez will have to find someone else for her medals and the world needs more immunity from prosecution for whistle blowers:</p>
<p>THE CIA chief who ordered the destruction of secret videotapes recording the harsh interrogation of two top Al-Qaeda suspects has indicated he may seek immunity from prosecution in exchange for testifying before the House intelligence committee. </p>
<p>Jose Rodriguez, former head of the CIA’s clandestine service, is determined not to become the fall guy in the controversy over the CIA’s use of torture, according to intelligence sources. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3087293.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3087293.ece</a></p>
<p>Oooh, this is just too good, someone refusing to be a scapegoat even for a nice shiney medal!</p>
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		<title>By: Maxiname &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mike’s Blog Round Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxiname &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mike’s Blog Round Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weather: 9/11 commissioners say they were conned by the the CIA.&#160; Naturally, there are denizens of Wingnuttia who claim we should &#8216;thank&#8217; them for destroying the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Weather: 9/11 commissioners say they were conned by the the CIA.&nbsp; Naturally, there are denizens of Wingnuttia who claim we should &#8216;thank&#8217; them for destroying the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;His name isn’t yet familiar to most Americans, but I expect it will be by the end of 2008: Jose A. Rodriguez Jr. He is the man, according to recent press reports, who ordered the destruction of interrogation tapes made by the CIA, which allegedly show the effects of waterboarding and other “enhanced interrogation techniques” used against terrorists Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri&lt;/blockquote&gt; Sure, blame the janitor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>His name isn’t yet familiar to most Americans, but I expect it will be by the end of 2008: Jose A. Rodriguez Jr. He is the man, according to recent press reports, who ordered the destruction of interrogation tapes made by the CIA, which allegedly show the effects of waterboarding and other “enhanced interrogation techniques” used against terrorists Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri</p></blockquote>
<p> Sure, blame the janitor!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Harrington</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8319.html/comment-page-2#comment-381643</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, poor Linda. Her star has faded since St. Ron used to pimp her out as an exemplar of the Rising Hispanic Conservative Majority, back in the 80&#039;s. 

I used to kind of worry about that paradigm, but Pete Wilson pretty much flushed any possibility of it away a decade ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, poor Linda. Her star has faded since St. Ron used to pimp her out as an exemplar of the Rising Hispanic Conservative Majority, back in the 80&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I used to kind of worry about that paradigm, but Pete Wilson pretty much flushed any possibility of it away a decade ago.</p>
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		<title>By: fadograf</title>
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		<dc:creator>fadograf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great. As if any of you way too perceptive (and tolerant) snarkers, couldn&#039;t guess, it&#039;s blogspot.com.  Oy....

personal promotion:  check out my son&#039;s really cool blog:

secretguinea.blogspot.com

(hope I did that right)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great. As if any of you way too perceptive (and tolerant) snarkers, couldn&#8217;t guess, it&#8217;s blogspot.com.  Oy&#8230;.</p>
<p>personal promotion:  check out my son&#8217;s really cool blog:</p>
<p>secretguinea.blogspot.com</p>
<p>(hope I did that right)</p>
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