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		<title>By: Things That Go Bump in the Right: Conservative heroes and the things they don&#8217;t mention about them &#124; Metagalactic Llamas Battle at the Edge of Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Things That Go Bump in the Right: Conservative heroes and the things they don&#8217;t mention about them &#124; Metagalactic Llamas Battle at the Edge of Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] either defending him and holding him up as a defender of American values, or they&#8217;re incoherently claiming that he was a liberal. (Conservative pundits appear to have forgotten what &#8220;liberal&#8221; actually means, so they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] either defending him and holding him up as a defender of American values, or they&#8217;re incoherently claiming that he was a liberal. (Conservative pundits appear to have forgotten what &#8220;liberal&#8221; actually means, so they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Various items</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-1153179</link>
		<dc:creator>Various items</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sadly, No series highlighting some of the most inane passages (here, here, here, here, here, and here, just for starters) more than satisfies that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: HorsesAss.Org&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Godwin&#8217;s Nightmare</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-390845</link>
		<dc:creator>HorsesAss.Org&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Godwin&#8217;s Nightmare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sadly No! crew actually have a copy of the book and have been posting some of the most ridiculous passages. His larger argument is that the desire by liberals and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Goldberg&#8217;s Liberal Fascism no longer just funny, slides into holocaust denial &#171; Notes from Evil Bender</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-378724</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldberg&#8217;s Liberal Fascism no longer just funny, slides into holocaust denial &#171; Notes from Evil Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is turning kids into Little Hitlers, has provided no end of laughs, from his claim that somehow McCarthy was sorta liberal to the idea that &#8220;the white male is the Jew of liberal fascism.&#8221; I must admit [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is turning kids into Little Hitlers, has provided no end of laughs, from his claim that somehow McCarthy was sorta liberal to the idea that &#8220;the white male is the Jew of liberal fascism.&#8221; I must admit [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; The Goldberg Variations</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-372817</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; The Goldberg Variations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] landmark publication of Jonah Goldberg&#8217;s Liberal Fascism: A Sourcebook for Blog Snark has set me to wondering: where have I seen this kind of thing before? And then it hit me . . . [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] landmark publication of Jonah Goldberg&#8217;s Liberal Fascism: A Sourcebook for Blog Snark has set me to wondering: where have I seen this kind of thing before? And then it hit me . . . [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter Scribe</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-372239</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter Scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe it or not, there are actually a few flecks of truth in Goldberg&#039;s thesis, akin to the corn kernels that occasionally turn up in horse turds.

McCarthy was one of the least ideological demagogues ever to spark an ideological movement. His agenda was purely and simply to get as much attention as possible for Joe McCarthy, and he didn&#039;t care how he did it. If his political circumstances had been such that he could have gained more by being a demagogue of the left, like Huey Long, rather than the right, he would have done it without a second thought.

In &lt;i&gt;Senator Joe McCarthy&lt;/i&gt;, Richard Rovere&#039;s definitive biography, we find this footnote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I talked with [L. Brent] Bozell [co-founder of the &lt;i&gt;National Review&lt;/i&gt;] one evening in 1956 and asked him how he felt about McCarthy as a conservative. &quot;Terrible,&quot; he said. Bozell said he continued to like and admire McCarthy but that he was hurt by the discovery that McCarthy wasn&#039;t a conservative at all. He could not be brought to repudiate the welfare state and was becoming, in fact, more and more like a Left liberal in domestic affairs---favoring more public housing, more social security, more federal subsidies of all sorts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not, there are actually a few flecks of truth in Goldberg&#8217;s thesis, akin to the corn kernels that occasionally turn up in horse turds.</p>
<p>McCarthy was one of the least ideological demagogues ever to spark an ideological movement. His agenda was purely and simply to get as much attention as possible for Joe McCarthy, and he didn&#8217;t care how he did it. If his political circumstances had been such that he could have gained more by being a demagogue of the left, like Huey Long, rather than the right, he would have done it without a second thought.</p>
<p>In <i>Senator Joe McCarthy</i>, Richard Rovere&#8217;s definitive biography, we find this footnote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I talked with [L. Brent] Bozell [co-founder of the <i>National Review</i>] one evening in 1956 and asked him how he felt about McCarthy as a conservative. &#8220;Terrible,&#8221; he said. Bozell said he continued to like and admire McCarthy but that he was hurt by the discovery that McCarthy wasn&#8217;t a conservative at all. He could not be brought to repudiate the welfare state and was becoming, in fact, more and more like a Left liberal in domestic affairs&#8212;favoring more public housing, more social security, more federal subsidies of all sorts.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: disinterestedobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>disinterestedobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you OTB : &quot;Jonah makes Andrew Sullivan look smart.&quot;

Best comment of the day - and there are a lot of good comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you OTB : &#8220;Jonah makes Andrew Sullivan look smart.&#8221;</p>
<p>Best comment of the day &#8211; and there are a lot of good comments.</p>
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		<title>By: master of logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>master of logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascism is a combination of nationalism, a strong government, usually some racism, and jingoism to boot. So McCarthy was definitely a fascist.

SO ARE THE LEFTISTS. THEREFORE MCCARTHY WAS A FASCIST.

my work here is done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascism is a combination of nationalism, a strong government, usually some racism, and jingoism to boot. So McCarthy was definitely a fascist.</p>
<p>SO ARE THE LEFTISTS. THEREFORE MCCARTHY WAS A FASCIST.</p>
<p>my work here is done.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370992</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

Führer more, many scientists worked for the NAZIs so I would never be seen in public with such a tool of fascism.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was not clear yet that Jo&#039;berg&#039;s theoretical analysis allowed us to conclude that Nazi&#039;s were actually fascists, except for the Nazis who were teaching grade school and the French Revolutionary Nazis.

But this is central to my point.</description>
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<p>Führer more, many scientists worked for the NAZIs so I would never be seen in public with such a tool of fascism.</p>
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<p>I was not clear yet that Jo&#8217;berg&#8217;s theoretical analysis allowed us to conclude that Nazi&#8217;s were actually fascists, except for the Nazis who were teaching grade school and the French Revolutionary Nazis.</p>
<p>But this is central to my point.</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370974</link>
		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zsa got there first. But the terrorized middle class reacted by electing Nixon. It was not &quot;establishment radicals&quot; which made Nixon enact the liberal policies he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zsa got there first. But the terrorized middle class reacted by electing Nixon. It was not &#8220;establishment radicals&#8221; which made Nixon enact the liberal policies he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Arky - Cthulhusexual</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370966</link>
		<dc:creator>Arky - Cthulhusexual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You know, someone ought to just walk up to Pantload and cock-punch him.

I know it’s a small target, and will require a little bit of planning but Fudgie really needs it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good Lord man, don&#039;t be ridiculous. Do you have any idea how much an electron microscope costs?

F&#252;hrer more, many scientists worked for the NAZIs so I would never be seen in public with such a tool of fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You know, someone ought to just walk up to Pantload and cock-punch him.</p>
<p>I know it’s a small target, and will require a little bit of planning but Fudgie really needs it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good Lord man, don&#8217;t be ridiculous. Do you have any idea how much an electron microscope costs?</p>
<p>F&uuml;hrer more, many scientists worked for the NAZIs so I would never be seen in public with such a tool of fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: Iceberg Goldberg</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370965</link>
		<dc:creator>Iceberg Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gus said,
December 19, 2007 at 0:49 
My god, that is the all time nadir. The War and Peace of stupid. The Ulysses of stupid. 

Yes, Gus, but more people some people actually read War and Peace. And some people can make sense of Ulysses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gus said,<br />
December 19, 2007 at 0:49<br />
My god, that is the all time nadir. The War and Peace of stupid. The Ulysses of stupid. </p>
<p>Yes, Gus, but more people some people actually read War and Peace. And some people can make sense of Ulysses.</p>
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		<title>By: zsa</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370931</link>
		<dc:creator>zsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re perilously close to &lt;b&gt;Richard Nixon&lt;/b&gt; being a MotL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re perilously close to <b>Richard Nixon</b> being a MotL.</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370919</link>
		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, someone ought to just walk up to Pantload and cock-punch him. 

I know it&#039;s a small target, and will require a little bit of planning but Fudgie really needs it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, someone ought to just walk up to Pantload and cock-punch him. </p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s a small target, and will require a little bit of planning but Fudgie really needs it.</p>
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		<title>By: Arky - Cthulhusexual</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370885</link>
		<dc:creator>Arky - Cthulhusexual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillian, thanks for the costume idea. However, a fascist with a melanin upgrade wearing a hanky across his face would probably make Bonah and the Bonahphiles squeal like pigs and piss their pants and faint and ...

[Strokes chin]

[Marks calendar]

[Polishes DMs]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillian, thanks for the costume idea. However, a fascist with a melanin upgrade wearing a hanky across his face would probably make Bonah and the Bonahphiles squeal like pigs and piss their pants and faint and &#8230;</p>
<p>[Strokes chin]</p>
<p>[Marks calendar]</p>
<p>[Polishes DMs]</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370787</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pantload Opus.

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pantload Opus.</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay B.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370776</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, liberals refer to Nazis as &#039;fascists&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, liberals refer to Nazis as &#8216;fascists&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: gbear</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370760</link>
		<dc:creator>gbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The more of this we see, the more convinced I am that this is not the work a work of mind-boggling stupidity but a work of towering cynicism.&lt;/i&gt;

In other words, this is a 400 page Onion commentary. Minus the funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The more of this we see, the more convinced I am that this is not the work a work of mind-boggling stupidity but a work of towering cynicism.</i></p>
<p>In other words, this is a 400 page Onion commentary. Minus the funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Watts</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370757</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The Great Society: LBJ&#039;s Fascist Utopia&lt;/b&gt;

Wow. The &quot;Great Society&quot; was the necessary consequence of the passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and what Martin Luther King, Jr. recognized as the fundamental challenge of the U.S. after making institutional racism illegal: ending economic &#039;racism&#039; by attacking the root causes of entrenched poverty in the U.S. regardless of race. In a way, the Great Society was the direct analog of Reconstruction. it recognized that even if legal barriers to equality were removed, there would be no equality without profound and immediate economic reforms.

Once you put Goldberg&#039;s language back into its real-world context (which he carefully &#039;milks&#039; of any racial overtones), it reads like a KKK pamphlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The Great Society: LBJ&#8217;s Fascist Utopia</b></p>
<p>Wow. The &#8220;Great Society&#8221; was the necessary consequence of the passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and what Martin Luther King, Jr. recognized as the fundamental challenge of the U.S. after making institutional racism illegal: ending economic &#8216;racism&#8217; by attacking the root causes of entrenched poverty in the U.S. regardless of race. In a way, the Great Society was the direct analog of Reconstruction. it recognized that even if legal barriers to equality were removed, there would be no equality without profound and immediate economic reforms.</p>
<p>Once you put Goldberg&#8217;s language back into its real-world context (which he carefully &#8216;milks&#8217; of any racial overtones), it reads like a KKK pamphlet.</p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8245.html#comment-370751</link>
		<dc:creator>John O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;William Shakespeare has roused himself from the dead to pen the following review of the Pantload Opus:

“It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

Adds famed 18th century English lexicographer Dr. Samuel Johnson, “That fellow seems to me to possess but one idea, and that is a wrong one.”&lt;/i&gt;

LOL, Jennifer.  Precisely correct, and right.

What a loser country we have become if this tribute to intellectual flatulence does well.

One wonders how bad it needs to get.  History, I think, and I&#039;m not the historian many of you are, seems to this non-historian to suggest that it has to get REALLY bad.

Rudy could turn the trick, as it were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>William Shakespeare has roused himself from the dead to pen the following review of the Pantload Opus:</p>
<p>“It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”</p>
<p>Adds famed 18th century English lexicographer Dr. Samuel Johnson, “That fellow seems to me to possess but one idea, and that is a wrong one.”</i></p>
<p>LOL, Jennifer.  Precisely correct, and right.</p>
<p>What a loser country we have become if this tribute to intellectual flatulence does well.</p>
<p>One wonders how bad it needs to get.  History, I think, and I&#8217;m not the historian many of you are, seems to this non-historian to suggest that it has to get REALLY bad.</p>
<p>Rudy could turn the trick, as it were.</p>
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