“In Newspeak there is no word for ‘Science.’ The empirical method of thought, on which all the scientific achievements of the past were founded, is opposed to the most fundamental principles of Ingsoc.” —pg 159 (Book Two, Chapter 9)

And more importantly, Goldberg and Malkin are trying to rewrite the historical record because they know the power it will give them

“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.’” —pg 32

Every sane person in any position of power (media, science, government agency, teacher, doctor) must resist and oppose the modern Republican party or we’re doomed.

But if somebody makes it their explicit policy to ban all leftist political parties and to jail or kill all leftist party leaders, one is decidedly not a ‘Man of the Left,’ no matter how many damn tofu burgers he eats.

Well, Lenin imprisoned every non-bolshevik leftist too and even leftists consider him one of them, so I’m not sure this is right.

I flirted with the “Nazism is left” for about 5 minutes before abandoning it in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Isn’t ‘complex’ in this sense an adjective? You could say “a rich tableau” or “a complex mix”. Or better yet, just leave out “a rich complex”. What a maroon…

If you had a set of psychological hang-ups about large, multi-departmental buildings, you’d have a complex complex.

If it was a particularly complicated set of hang-ups, you’d have a complex complex complex.

No problem though – you can always have it treated at the specially dedicated complex complex complex complex.

Of course, if you developed a fear of that place, you’d have a complex complex complex complex complex.

Etc etc.

The idea that you are either ‘left’ or ‘right’, ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’ is divisive Machiavellian BS.

Conservatism. The last refuge of nihilism and moral relativism.

To quote Franz Leibkind – “Hitler, there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!”

None of which justifies Jonah for a micro-second in taking the lack of clearly drawn lines to simply libel people traditionally of more liberal identification as a bunch of fascists, he’s actually adding to the problem. I’ve just had a problem with this divisive out-dated crap for a while. I don’t think it applies that much unless forced or used to hurl insults. Generalizations are still just generalizations, whereas historical Nazis are not hard to define at all.

Ugh, of course left and right are difficult to define, especially in this era. But WTF would lead anyone to a sentence such as….oops, wrong Jonah-Book-mockery-post-thread. The long ridiculous one about what conservatives stand for. This might be as good as Coulter’s 4 chapter rant about evolution. Now that was some absurd-ass shit.

Then again, I really don’t trust anyone obsessed with being a conservative. They all end up writing things like this in debates about Nazis:

“NAZIS HAVE NEVER EVER ALIGNED THEMSELVES WITH JEWS
EVER
NAZIS HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN INSPIRED AND HAVE CONSPIRED WITH ISLAM”

….yeah….everyone knows all about the Nazis, right? Right….oops, left….ooops, wrong….

The idea that you are either ‘left’ or ‘right’, ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’ is divisive Machiavellian BS.

Yeah, nothing means anything.

I don’t see a conflict in acknowledging Hitler may have had artistic interests and traveled in some kind of socialist bohemian circles before he got off to where he got to. You can’t deny he was one helluv an ‘artiste’. The idea that you are either ‘left’ or ‘right’, ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’ is divisive Machiavellian BS. What’s the problem acknowledging that people don’t really know what the tags mean? Is derision realistic or wise? There are ‘correct’ answers but more often it depends who you’re talking to because according to common usage as well as plenty of examples of denotative definitions it amounts to a lot of doublespeak that the truth is entirely lost in.

Give this “Political Compass” a shot if you’re sick of being a cog in the black & white 2-party propaganda machine. It’s pretty cool:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

My guy had a standard answer for unanswerable questions (Why did Germany’s wealthy industrialists support Hitler? Why did Hitler jail and kill union leaders, socialist and communists? Why did a conservative coalition support Hitler’s chancellorship in 1933? etc. etc.)…

“Independent research” proved his point.

And in much the same fashion, five hundred years ago, it was ‘indisputably believed’ that the earth was flat, that the sun revolved around the earth, and that a good stink drove away the demons of ill health.

What cars did hippies drive? Volkswagens! And where were Vokswagens first manufactured? NAZI GERMANY!

Sure, why not. It makes precisely as much sense as the exercise and vegetarianism thing. Throw another log on the pile of shit logic.

It’s analogous to saying death penalty supporters and opponents are philosophically similar because they’re both “obsessed with the death penalty.”

What’s wrong with that, if it is helpful to a right-wing ideologue who has run out of ideas?

WOW. You see what he’s doing there? By throwing in that bit about nobody knowing what left and right really means, he makes himself irrefutable. Just like by admitting that he’s not really saying what he is clearly saying, he makes his point that nobody knows what’s going on, and therefore nobody can prove his points wrong. It is GENIUS, I’m telling you. Jonah may be the dumbest turd ever to draw breath, but man, does he ever understand today’s media. He’s made himself bulletproof.

He’s the anti-Michael Foucault. (What’s really amazing is that postmodernism and Goldbergism both seem to lead in the same direction.)

Gah! I’m sorry. I’m turning in my frequent fondler card right now. I’m so ashamed.

“Sack of Woe for Masturbation” seems to work properly.