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		<title>By: MileHi Hawkeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>MileHi Hawkeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the knowledge, gbear!  Maybe some day I&#039;ll be able to travel again and try those places out.  

Food is the core of any good trip to the heartland...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the knowledge, gbear!  Maybe some day I&#8217;ll be able to travel again and try those places out.  </p>
<p>Food is the core of any good trip to the heartland&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sun has just set here and I’ve got at least 8 Cardinals in the yard. They’re not quite happy about being a winter flock yet. The males are arguing.&lt;/i&gt;

I guess they&#039;re waiting for Isringhausen to come in from the bullpen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sun has just set here and I’ve got at least 8 Cardinals in the yard. They’re not quite happy about being a winter flock yet. The males are arguing.</i></p>
<p>I guess they&#8217;re waiting for Isringhausen to come in from the bullpen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Jennifer said,

December 16, 2007 at 20:14 
People with vaginas. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Vajajays&lt;/i&gt;. Please. 

We must respect Oprah&#039;s wishes in all things, even presidential candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Jennifer said,</p>
<p>December 16, 2007 at 20:14<br />
People with vaginas. </i></p>
<p><i>Vajajays</i>. Please. </p>
<p>We must respect Oprah&#8217;s wishes in all things, even presidential candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: InsaneInTheCheneyBrain</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8190.html#comment-366438</link>
		<dc:creator>InsaneInTheCheneyBrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I want for Christmas is for no one to ever mention their God again.</description>
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		<title>By: stringonastick</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8190.html#comment-366377</link>
		<dc:creator>stringonastick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But I’m expecting the arrival of brown snakes any day now, because the drought is driving them into town and the rodents would make a tasty snack.&quot;

Um, are these some the zillions of poisonous snakes your fair continent is somewhat famous for?  And right in your backyard you say.  Adds all sorts of new meaning to having a day playing in the garden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I’m expecting the arrival of brown snakes any day now, because the drought is driving them into town and the rodents would make a tasty snack.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, are these some the zillions of poisonous snakes your fair continent is somewhat famous for?  And right in your backyard you say.  Adds all sorts of new meaning to having a day playing in the garden.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Unfortunately, the only legal, city-approved squirrel eliminator is a cat, and my allergies won’t allow a cat.&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s also terriers, who wholeheartedly endorse the &#039;furry-tailed rat&#039; meme.  And I knew someone who swore that a household ferret deterred squirrel infestations, but people who love ferrets can be a little crazy, much as I hate to edge close to agreeing with anything Rudy Guiliani ever said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Unfortunately, the only legal, city-approved squirrel eliminator is a cat, and my allergies won’t allow a cat.</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s also terriers, who wholeheartedly endorse the &#8216;furry-tailed rat&#8217; meme.  And I knew someone who swore that a household ferret deterred squirrel infestations, but people who love ferrets can be a little crazy, much as I hate to edge close to agreeing with anything Rudy Guiliani ever said.</p>
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		<title>By: mndean</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8190.html#comment-366203</link>
		<dc:creator>mndean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very interested in the squirrel catapult (well, between convulsions of laughter), until I learned that it wasn&#039;t harmful to the squirrels. My neighborhood is infested with these &quot;rats with a press agent&quot; and have caused considerable damage to my house (they like to run over my roof and through my attic and garage). Maybe a stronger catapult? Unfortunately, the only legal, city-approved squirrel eliminator is a cat, and my allergies won&#039;t allow a cat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very interested in the squirrel catapult (well, between convulsions of laughter), until I learned that it wasn&#8217;t harmful to the squirrels. My neighborhood is infested with these &#8220;rats with a press agent&#8221; and have caused considerable damage to my house (they like to run over my roof and through my attic and garage). Maybe a stronger catapult? Unfortunately, the only legal, city-approved squirrel eliminator is a cat, and my allergies won&#8217;t allow a cat.</p>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rainbow lorikeets look like they were designed by a small child equipped with a fresh set of very bright crayons, but are not quite so cute when they get vocal, since they sound more like a pterodactyl than something with feathers. 
Lorikeets also have a sense of humour. When something amuses them enough they bob their heads up and down, or rock from side to side, in avian body-language laughter.

The neighbours down the road have a couple of pet ones. They seem to let them out on weekends, for alternate days... one gets to fly around the neighbourhood on Saturday, while the other one is kept inside as a hostage; then it&#039;s the other one&#039;s turn on Sunday. One often comes up here and perches in a tree outside the window, reporting back to its mate with a series of shrill squawks... in between sessions of taunting the cats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rainbow lorikeets look like they were designed by a small child equipped with a fresh set of very bright crayons, but are not quite so cute when they get vocal, since they sound more like a pterodactyl than something with feathers.<br />
Lorikeets also have a sense of humour. When something amuses them enough they bob their heads up and down, or rock from side to side, in avian body-language laughter.</p>
<p>The neighbours down the road have a couple of pet ones. They seem to let them out on weekends, for alternate days&#8230; one gets to fly around the neighbourhood on Saturday, while the other one is kept inside as a hostage; then it&#8217;s the other one&#8217;s turn on Sunday. One often comes up here and perches in a tree outside the window, reporting back to its mate with a series of shrill squawks&#8230; in between sessions of taunting the cats.</p>
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		<title>By: gbear</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8190.html#comment-366077</link>
		<dc:creator>gbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But my favourites are the rainbow lorikeets. &lt;/i&gt;

Wow! I wants some Raibow Lorikeets too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But my favourites are the rainbow lorikeets. </i></p>
<p>Wow! I wants some Raibow Lorikeets too!</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8190.html#comment-366029</link>
		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TODD: What is that?

LOVETT:
It&#039;s priest. Have a little priest.
TODD:
Is it really good?
LOVETT:
Sir, it&#039;s too good, at least!
Then again, they don&#039;t commit sins of the flesh,
So it&#039;s pretty fresh.
TODD:
Awful lot of fat.
LOVETT:
Only where it sat.
TODD:
Haven&#039;t you got poet, or something like that?
LOVETT:
No, y&#039;see, the trouble with poet is
&#039;Ow do you know it&#039;s deceased?
Try the priest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TODD: What is that?</p>
<p>LOVETT:<br />
It&#8217;s priest. Have a little priest.<br />
TODD:<br />
Is it really good?<br />
LOVETT:<br />
Sir, it&#8217;s too good, at least!<br />
Then again, they don&#8217;t commit sins of the flesh,<br />
So it&#8217;s pretty fresh.<br />
TODD:<br />
Awful lot of fat.<br />
LOVETT:<br />
Only where it sat.<br />
TODD:<br />
Haven&#8217;t you got poet, or something like that?<br />
LOVETT:<br />
No, y&#8217;see, the trouble with poet is<br />
&#8216;Ow do you know it&#8217;s deceased?<br />
Try the priest!</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TODD:
The history of the world, my sweet --
LOVETT:
Oh, Mr. Todd,
Ooh, Mr. Todd,
What does it tell?
TODD:
Is who gets eaten, and who gets to eat!
LOVETT:
And, Mr. Todd,
Too, Mr. Todd,
Who gets to sell!
TODD:
But fortunately, it&#039;s also clear
BOTH:
That [L: But] ev&#039;rybody goes down well with beer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TODD:<br />
The history of the world, my sweet &#8211;<br />
LOVETT:<br />
Oh, Mr. Todd,<br />
Ooh, Mr. Todd,<br />
What does it tell?<br />
TODD:<br />
Is who gets eaten, and who gets to eat!<br />
LOVETT:<br />
And, Mr. Todd,<br />
Too, Mr. Todd,<br />
Who gets to sell!<br />
TODD:<br />
But fortunately, it&#8217;s also clear<br />
BOTH:<br />
That [L: But] ev&#8217;rybody goes down well with beer!</p>
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		<title>By: gbear</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8190.html#comment-365969</link>
		<dc:creator>gbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a gay non-drinker so my knowledge of good neighborhood dive bars is pretty limited. I haven&#039;t done any research since 1984.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a gay non-drinker so my knowledge of good neighborhood dive bars is pretty limited. I haven&#8217;t done any research since 1984.</p>
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		<title>By: Gentlewoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gentlewoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gentlewoman, I fully appreciate that you don’t want these dillweeds anywhere near you, but maybe it’s not an issue to those who don’t understand the words coming out of their dillweed mouths?&lt;/i&gt;

Marginally more acceptable, I suppose. But I would worry about letting these nimrods get anywhere near any sort of vulnerable population. It&#039;s obvious they lack empathy.

Me? I&#039;d smite &#039;em with Teh Green Walking Stick of Liberal Justice. Just because I&#039;m poor and disabled doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;nice&lt;/i&gt; or anything. 

And if they started babbling any of that Christianist shit (like they do), then I&#039;m afraid there would be LOBS of feline vomit being vomitpulted their way. Ganesh Bengal Cat thinks the skwerls won&#039;t mind if he borrows the skwerlapult.

 And at thinkgeek.com &lt;b&gt;you can get a trebuchet!!!!ELEVENTY!!&lt;/b&gt; Do you &lt;b&gt;know&lt;/b&gt; how many lobs of puke that sucker would propel? Up to 20 feet away??? So. Much. Awsum. 

Some days I really love the internets. Well, except for the wingnut rape apologists. I wonder if those pus-sucking warthogs can even &lt;i&gt;imagine&lt;/i&gt;  saying anything non-heinous. I&#039;m thinking prolly not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gentlewoman, I fully appreciate that you don’t want these dillweeds anywhere near you, but maybe it’s not an issue to those who don’t understand the words coming out of their dillweed mouths?</i></p>
<p>Marginally more acceptable, I suppose. But I would worry about letting these nimrods get anywhere near any sort of vulnerable population. It&#8217;s obvious they lack empathy.</p>
<p>Me? I&#8217;d smite &#8216;em with Teh Green Walking Stick of Liberal Justice. Just because I&#8217;m poor and disabled doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m <i>nice</i> or anything. </p>
<p>And if they started babbling any of that Christianist shit (like they do), then I&#8217;m afraid there would be LOBS of feline vomit being vomitpulted their way. Ganesh Bengal Cat thinks the skwerls won&#8217;t mind if he borrows the skwerlapult.</p>
<p> And at thinkgeek.com <b>you can get a trebuchet!!!!ELEVENTY!!</b> Do you <b>know</b> how many lobs of puke that sucker would propel? Up to 20 feet away??? So. Much. Awsum. </p>
<p>Some days I really love the internets. Well, except for the wingnut rape apologists. I wonder if those pus-sucking warthogs can even <i>imagine</i>  saying anything non-heinous. I&#8217;m thinking prolly not.</p>
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		<title>By: gbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MileHi - There&#039;s a not-to-bad restaurant/bar close to you on Hwy 13 appropriately named Moose Country. Down in Mendota is a place called Axel&#039;s that my friends like. It&#039;s a quick drive across the river to any of the places on Grand Avenue. If you want the best burgers in town there&#039;s Shamrocks on W7th right across from the brewery. Lots of new restaurants popping up around there. The brewery was purchased this summer and is going to be redeveloped as a retail and restaurant street w/ a hotel. There will be new housing. The first step in the rehab will be to turn the bottling building into artist housing w/ work and display space. That starts next year. I&#039;ve got a warehouse building across the street from me that is eventually going to be torn down. I may wind up with a very broad view of the river from my house. I&#039;m pretty excited about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MileHi &#8211; There&#8217;s a not-to-bad restaurant/bar close to you on Hwy 13 appropriately named Moose Country. Down in Mendota is a place called Axel&#8217;s that my friends like. It&#8217;s a quick drive across the river to any of the places on Grand Avenue. If you want the best burgers in town there&#8217;s Shamrocks on W7th right across from the brewery. Lots of new restaurants popping up around there. The brewery was purchased this summer and is going to be redeveloped as a retail and restaurant street w/ a hotel. There will be new housing. The first step in the rehab will be to turn the bottling building into artist housing w/ work and display space. That starts next year. I&#8217;ve got a warehouse building across the street from me that is eventually going to be torn down. I may wind up with a very broad view of the river from my house. I&#8217;m pretty excited about it.</p>
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		<title>By: SamFromUtah</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamFromUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Thank you, Sam, for cheering me up again.&lt;/i&gt;

On the house and with a smile.

I may end up working for the VA within the next year; not sure if the lead will pan out. Not very directly with patients, but I&#039;d be happy to do my bit since we have and will, as you pointed out, be getting plenty of soldiers back here who need a lot of help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Thank you, Sam, for cheering me up again.</i></p>
<p>On the house and with a smile.</p>
<p>I may end up working for the VA within the next year; not sure if the lead will pan out. Not very directly with patients, but I&#8217;d be happy to do my bit since we have and will, as you pointed out, be getting plenty of soldiers back here who need a lot of help.</p>
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		<title>By: Qetesh the Qaveat Qat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qetesh the Qaveat Qat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Jillian, I&#039;m there too. But I have the cats (2 of &#039;em), and they make up for a distinct lack of human companionship.

Plus I&#039;ve got birdies in my back garden too: not as exciting as you northerners, by and large, but still fun. There&#039;s a bunch of sparrows, including a lot of young &#039;uns, one with a game leg, so there&#039;s thin mother birds and fat baby birds and all hella cute. There&#039;s the pigeons, of course, and a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.australianfauna.com/piping_shrike.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;piping shrike&lt;/a&gt; turned up today.

There&#039;s always a few &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.vicnet.net.au/~fbpw/rwattle.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wattle birds&lt;/a&gt; hovering about - they come and perch on the chair right in front of me sometimes, and give me a very indignant stare. Looks like the equivalent of the bovver boy with hands in pockets saying &quot;Whatchew lookin&#039; at, eh?&quot;

But my favourites are the &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.iprimus.com.au/readman/rainbow.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rainbow lorikeets&lt;/a&gt;. They&#039;re about pigeon-sized, although longer and thinner, and they&#039;re so raucous and silly. The sound reminds me a bit of a Hong Kong market: thousands of conversations going on at full pitch, arguing, gossiping, and chastising each other. Although most Hong Kong marketers don&#039;t hang upside down like the lorikeets, bless their little feathery hearts.

And what&#039;s odd is that, if you have a look at the pictures, you&#039;d wonder why those brilliantly coloured little buggers don&#039;t stand out like dogs&#039; balls in the grey-green Australian foliage. But they blend right in, somehow, and hang about in packs shrieking to each other happily while they suck nectar out of the grevilleas and suchlike.

Then there&#039;s also rats in the back fence, and they sometimes creep out to feed. They&#039;re quite cute, being clean and healthy and all, and they don&#039;t trouble anyone else. But I&#039;m expecting the arrival of brown snakes any day now, because the drought is driving them into town and the rodents would make a tasty snack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Jillian, I&#8217;m there too. But I have the cats (2 of &#8216;em), and they make up for a distinct lack of human companionship.</p>
<p>Plus I&#8217;ve got birdies in my back garden too: not as exciting as you northerners, by and large, but still fun. There&#8217;s a bunch of sparrows, including a lot of young &#8216;uns, one with a game leg, so there&#8217;s thin mother birds and fat baby birds and all hella cute. There&#8217;s the pigeons, of course, and a <a href="http://www.australianfauna.com/piping_shrike.php" rel="nofollow">piping shrike</a> turned up today.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s always a few <a href="http://home.vicnet.net.au/~fbpw/rwattle.htm" rel="nofollow">wattle birds</a> hovering about &#8211; they come and perch on the chair right in front of me sometimes, and give me a very indignant stare. Looks like the equivalent of the bovver boy with hands in pockets saying &#8220;Whatchew lookin&#8217; at, eh?&#8221;</p>
<p>But my favourites are the <a href="http://home.iprimus.com.au/readman/rainbow.htm" rel="nofollow">rainbow lorikeets</a>. They&#8217;re about pigeon-sized, although longer and thinner, and they&#8217;re so raucous and silly. The sound reminds me a bit of a Hong Kong market: thousands of conversations going on at full pitch, arguing, gossiping, and chastising each other. Although most Hong Kong marketers don&#8217;t hang upside down like the lorikeets, bless their little feathery hearts.</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s odd is that, if you have a look at the pictures, you&#8217;d wonder why those brilliantly coloured little buggers don&#8217;t stand out like dogs&#8217; balls in the grey-green Australian foliage. But they blend right in, somehow, and hang about in packs shrieking to each other happily while they suck nectar out of the grevilleas and suchlike.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s also rats in the back fence, and they sometimes creep out to feed. They&#8217;re quite cute, being clean and healthy and all, and they don&#8217;t trouble anyone else. But I&#8217;m expecting the arrival of brown snakes any day now, because the drought is driving them into town and the rodents would make a tasty snack.</p>
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		<title>By: MileHi Hawkeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>MileHi Hawkeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen the new condo yet, gbear.  Any non-squirrel related things to do there?  Nice dive bars where I can escape to should the need arise?

Have they done anything to the old brewery?  I always though it would make some pretty cool condos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the new condo yet, gbear.  Any non-squirrel related things to do there?  Nice dive bars where I can escape to should the need arise?</p>
<p>Have they done anything to the old brewery?  I always though it would make some pretty cool condos.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;About all I can think of is compulsory community service with some guarantee that it brings them into frequent and sustained contact with honest-to-God poor, disabled, or otherwise disadvantaged people who are genuinely helped by it. If there’s any compassion in the wingnuts at all, that will help to bring it out. If there isn’t, they won’t end up as any worse assholes than they were to begin with … I think.  I base my belief on seeing the results of some dozens of Mormon missions. The travel abroad and seeing that there are places different from Provo, Utah does in fact shock some small fraction of the missionaries out of their provincial conceits, and that’s after having participated in a process designed not to open their minds.&lt;/i&gt;

Thank you, Sam, for cheering me up again.  I will attest that this kind of &quot;shock training&quot; can also work on non-Mormons.  My least favorite brother, the Horse&#039;s Ass, was assigned to a VA nursing home during his Coast Guard training.  Mostly he was working with severely disabled WWII vets, now geriatric, who&#039;d spent the preceding 30 years in one or another medical ward with nothing but other limbless/sightless/&#039;shell shocked&#039; cripples for company, guys who&#039;d outlived their families or who had no families before they&#039;d been disabled.  It actually inspired him to use Uncle Sam&#039;s college funding to become a registered nurse.  And while in his personal life he is still exactly the kind of angry, bitter, narrow-minded arsehole that subscribes to Floppy Aces and Little Green Snotwads, from the commendations &amp; promotions he&#039;s gotten, he&#039;s actually a very good and caring RN...

(And it&#039;s not like &quot;we&quot; aren&#039;t making ourselves a fine new supply of permanently disabled veterans who will need compassionate care for the next 60 or 80 years, *sigh*.)

Gentlewoman, I fully appreciate that you don&#039;t want these dillweeds anywhere near you, but maybe it&#039;s not an issue to those who don&#039;t understand the words coming out of their dillweed mouths?  Kids in Iraqi orphanages, for instance, or the pitiful Agent Orange no-longer-babies in Vietnam, or even animal shelters right here in the U.S.  One of my dear friends worked with a program teaching convicts to train and/or groom dogs, using shelter dogs.  She said it was amazing how guys just this side of Hannibal Lector were not only gentle and caring with the dogs, but sometimese managed to &quot;re-model&quot; their own behavior by figuring out, for instance, that other humans might also prefer calm voices &amp; positive reinforcement over the yelling, threats, and hitting which had gotten them into the correctional system in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>About all I can think of is compulsory community service with some guarantee that it brings them into frequent and sustained contact with honest-to-God poor, disabled, or otherwise disadvantaged people who are genuinely helped by it. If there’s any compassion in the wingnuts at all, that will help to bring it out. If there isn’t, they won’t end up as any worse assholes than they were to begin with … I think.  I base my belief on seeing the results of some dozens of Mormon missions. The travel abroad and seeing that there are places different from Provo, Utah does in fact shock some small fraction of the missionaries out of their provincial conceits, and that’s after having participated in a process designed not to open their minds.</i></p>
<p>Thank you, Sam, for cheering me up again.  I will attest that this kind of &#8220;shock training&#8221; can also work on non-Mormons.  My least favorite brother, the Horse&#8217;s Ass, was assigned to a VA nursing home during his Coast Guard training.  Mostly he was working with severely disabled WWII vets, now geriatric, who&#8217;d spent the preceding 30 years in one or another medical ward with nothing but other limbless/sightless/&#8217;shell shocked&#8217; cripples for company, guys who&#8217;d outlived their families or who had no families before they&#8217;d been disabled.  It actually inspired him to use Uncle Sam&#8217;s college funding to become a registered nurse.  And while in his personal life he is still exactly the kind of angry, bitter, narrow-minded arsehole that subscribes to Floppy Aces and Little Green Snotwads, from the commendations &amp; promotions he&#8217;s gotten, he&#8217;s actually a very good and caring RN&#8230;</p>
<p>(And it&#8217;s not like &#8220;we&#8221; aren&#8217;t making ourselves a fine new supply of permanently disabled veterans who will need compassionate care for the next 60 or 80 years, *sigh*.)</p>
<p>Gentlewoman, I fully appreciate that you don&#8217;t want these dillweeds anywhere near you, but maybe it&#8217;s not an issue to those who don&#8217;t understand the words coming out of their dillweed mouths?  Kids in Iraqi orphanages, for instance, or the pitiful Agent Orange no-longer-babies in Vietnam, or even animal shelters right here in the U.S.  One of my dear friends worked with a program teaching convicts to train and/or groom dogs, using shelter dogs.  She said it was amazing how guys just this side of Hannibal Lector were not only gentle and caring with the dogs, but sometimese managed to &#8220;re-model&#8221; their own behavior by figuring out, for instance, that other humans might also prefer calm voices &amp; positive reinforcement over the yelling, threats, and hitting which had gotten them into the correctional system in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have all of us, Jillian.</description>
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		<title>By: gbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STH - Group News Blog is a snarky place that has threads about food all the time.

MileHi - Heck, I&#039;m right across the river from your siblings. When I used to trap squirrels I&#039;d release them in the Lilydale park, and everyone from Lilydale would release their squirrels in Crosby park. I&#039;m just a block from the old Schmidt Beer brewery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STH &#8211; Group News Blog is a snarky place that has threads about food all the time.</p>
<p>MileHi &#8211; Heck, I&#8217;m right across the river from your siblings. When I used to trap squirrels I&#8217;d release them in the Lilydale park, and everyone from Lilydale would release their squirrels in Crosby park. I&#8217;m just a block from the old Schmidt Beer brewery.</p>
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