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	<title>Comments on: St. Peggy of the Dolphins on St. Mitt of the Osmonds</title>
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		<title>By: Bill S</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-354431</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t put my finger on why, but the older Peggy gets, the more she reminds me of Norma Desmond. Not the one Gloria Swanson played in &quot;Sunset Boulevard&quot;, but the parody Carol Burnett did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t put my finger on why, but the older Peggy gets, the more she reminds me of Norma Desmond. Not the one Gloria Swanson played in &#8220;Sunset Boulevard&#8221;, but the parody Carol Burnett did.</p>
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		<title>By: (Lex) Skink Tyree (Azagthoth)</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-354232</link>
		<dc:creator>(Lex) Skink Tyree (Azagthoth)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it OK that I just hate Mitt because he&#039;s a canned, arrogant little shitbag and not because he&#039;s a Mormon? I mean, I never met a Mormon I didn&#039;t have to tell to bugger off and stop trying to convert me and all, but still, Mitt&#039;s just a little shit.

Oh well, as Zappa said of Marie Osmond (or rather sang), &quot;Bite, bite it Marie!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it OK that I just hate Mitt because he&#8217;s a canned, arrogant little shitbag and not because he&#8217;s a Mormon? I mean, I never met a Mormon I didn&#8217;t have to tell to bugger off and stop trying to convert me and all, but still, Mitt&#8217;s just a little shit.</p>
<p>Oh well, as Zappa said of Marie Osmond (or rather sang), &#8220;Bite, bite it Marie!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Heretik : Late Afternoon in America</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-354084</link>
		<dc:creator>The Heretik : Late Afternoon in America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Afternoon in America TM? Warmly cool? Noonan spouts sensible nonsense. And then a moment of clarity.  And feeling.  &#8220;My feeling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Afternoon in America TM? Warmly cool? Noonan spouts sensible nonsense. And then a moment of clarity.  And feeling.  &#8220;My feeling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353967</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter Pegeen:  &quot;Say what you will about National Socialism -- at least it&#039;s an &lt;i&gt;ethos&lt;/i&gt;!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Pegeen:  &#8220;Say what you will about National Socialism &#8212; at least it&#8217;s an <i>ethos</i>!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Patkin</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353844</link>
		<dc:creator>Patkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Wayne Brady in How I Met Your Mother said it best concerning Donnie and Marie, at least as far as the Republicans go:

&quot;She was a little bit country, he was a little bit way into black guys.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Wayne Brady in How I Met Your Mother said it best concerning Donnie and Marie, at least as far as the Republicans go:</p>
<p>&#8220;She was a little bit country, he was a little bit way into black guys.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353795</link>
		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At first glance I thought your putting Satanists ahead of atheists was odd, but after a bit of thought I agree. I imagine the “thinking” would go something like “…at least they believe in something.”&lt;/i&gt;
LaVey-style Satanism seems tailor-made for Republicans. A belief in a creator-God, combined with staunch libertarian philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At first glance I thought your putting Satanists ahead of atheists was odd, but after a bit of thought I agree. I imagine the “thinking” would go something like “…at least they believe in something.”</i><br />
LaVey-style Satanism seems tailor-made for Republicans. A belief in a creator-God, combined with staunch libertarian philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: SamFromUtah</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamFromUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m guessing this woman knows about zero to nothing in regards to the history of Mormons. &lt;/i&gt;

Agreed.

If you rewrite her statement to read like this:

“Many Mormons, apart from those in religious or secular leadership positions or asipiring to them, are hardworking, family-loving citizens whose civic impulses have tended toward the constructive.”

Then it more closely matches my experience with Mormons, depending on how you define &quot;constructive&quot; and note that the &lt;i&gt;impulses&lt;/i&gt; are so, not necessarily the actions.

A friend of mine puts it like this - &quot;Mormons are some of the nicest, best-natured, most generous people you could hope to meet, but they&#039;re stupid as sticks.&quot; I sort of agree, but for &quot;stupid as sticks&quot; I read &quot;authoritarians&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m guessing this woman knows about zero to nothing in regards to the history of Mormons. </i></p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>If you rewrite her statement to read like this:</p>
<p>“Many Mormons, apart from those in religious or secular leadership positions or asipiring to them, are hardworking, family-loving citizens whose civic impulses have tended toward the constructive.”</p>
<p>Then it more closely matches my experience with Mormons, depending on how you define &#8220;constructive&#8221; and note that the <i>impulses</i> are so, not necessarily the actions.</p>
<p>A friend of mine puts it like this &#8211; &#8220;Mormons are some of the nicest, best-natured, most generous people you could hope to meet, but they&#8217;re stupid as sticks.&#8221; I sort of agree, but for &#8220;stupid as sticks&#8221; I read &#8220;authoritarians&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Smiling Mortician</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353766</link>
		<dc:creator>Smiling Mortician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is Peggy strapped to the top of a station wagon in your dream?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, yes, but I must admit that was a different dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is Peggy strapped to the top of a station wagon in your dream?</i></p>
<p>Well, yes, but I must admit that was a different dream.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353762</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mormons have been, in American history, hardworking, family-loving citizens whose civic impulses have tended toward the constructive.&quot;

Oh my goodness.  I&#039;m guessing this woman knows about zero to nothing in regards to the history of Mormons.  How about their &#039;civic impulses&#039; to slit the throats from ear to ear of anyone they perceived as an enemy in the early days?  Maybe Pegs should look into the history of Mormonism&#039;s institutional racism or read up about practices like blood atonement. Hell, I&#039;ll settle for her reading the Wikipedia entry on the Mountain Meadows massacre if that will set her even a little straight.

Here&#039;s a concept, Pegs:  if you don&#039;t know something about any given subject, you don&#039;t write about it like you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mormons have been, in American history, hardworking, family-loving citizens whose civic impulses have tended toward the constructive.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh my goodness.  I&#8217;m guessing this woman knows about zero to nothing in regards to the history of Mormons.  How about their &#8216;civic impulses&#8217; to slit the throats from ear to ear of anyone they perceived as an enemy in the early days?  Maybe Pegs should look into the history of Mormonism&#8217;s institutional racism or read up about practices like blood atonement. Hell, I&#8217;ll settle for her reading the Wikipedia entry on the Mountain Meadows massacre if that will set her even a little straight.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a concept, Pegs:  if you don&#8217;t know something about any given subject, you don&#8217;t write about it like you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emo Philips joke:

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump. I ran over and said: &quot;Stop! Don&#039;t do it!&quot;

&quot;Why shouldn&#039;t I?&quot; he asked.

&quot;Well, there&#039;s so much to live for!&quot;

&quot;Like what?&quot;

&quot;Are you religious?&quot;

He said, &quot;Yes.&quot;

I said, &quot;Me too. Are you Christian or Buddhist?&quot;

&quot;Christian.&quot;

&quot;Me too. Are you Catholic or Protestant?&quot;

&quot;Protestant.&quot;

&quot;Me too. Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?&quot;

&quot;Baptist.&quot;

&quot;Wow! Me too. Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?&quot;

&quot;Baptist Church of God.&quot;

&quot;No kidding? Me too. Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?&quot;

&quot;Reformed Baptist Church of God.&quot;

&quot;Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?&quot;

He said: &quot;Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915.&quot;

I said: &quot;Die, heretic scum,&quot; and pushed him off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emo Philips joke:</p>
<p>I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump. I ran over and said: &#8220;Stop! Don&#8217;t do it!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Why shouldn&#8217;t I?&#8221; he asked.</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, there&#8217;s so much to live for!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Like what?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Are you religious?&#8221;</p>
<p>He said, &#8220;Yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I said, &#8220;Me too. Are you Christian or Buddhist?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Christian.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Me too. Are you Catholic or Protestant?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Protestant.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Me too. Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Baptist.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Wow! Me too. Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Baptist Church of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No kidding? Me too. Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Reformed Baptist Church of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?&#8221;</p>
<p>He said: &#8220;Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915.&#8221;</p>
<p>I said: &#8220;Die, heretic scum,&#8221; and pushed him off.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert M.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353726</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It sounds like the same kind of wool-headed thinking that leads people to claim that Christian rock is really Satanic because the beat is inherently evil.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The rhythm really &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; going to get you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It sounds like the same kind of wool-headed thinking that leads people to claim that Christian rock is really Satanic because the beat is inherently evil.</p></blockquote>
<p>The rhythm really <i>is</i> going to get you!</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353724</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, [i]I&#039;d[/i] rather be ruled by Donny and Marie than by the Washington establishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, [i]I&#8217;d[/i] rather be ruled by Donny and Marie than by the Washington establishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Halloween Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353721</link>
		<dc:creator>Halloween Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much it would cost a woman of a certain age to be &quot;governed&quot; by Donny and Marie lookalikes at your average DC knocking shop? It&#039;s probably a standard item on the menu; I&#039;d bet that Orrin Hatch would know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much it would cost a woman of a certain age to be &#8220;governed&#8221; by Donny and Marie lookalikes at your average DC knocking shop? It&#8217;s probably a standard item on the menu; I&#8217;d bet that Orrin Hatch would know.</p>
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		<title>By: SamFromUtah</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353661</link>
		<dc:creator>SamFromUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m accounting for the percentage that would say the candidate was from the wrong evangelical church.&lt;/i&gt;

Aha. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m accounting for the percentage that would say the candidate was from the wrong evangelical church.</i></p>
<p>Aha. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: SenderC</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353656</link>
		<dc:creator>SenderC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But why only 99.9% of fundagelicals voting for an evangelist Christian? Does the other 0.1% account for some tiny minority who actually consider policy?&lt;/i&gt;

No, I&#039;m accounting for the percentage that would say the candidate was from the wrong evangelical church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But why only 99.9% of fundagelicals voting for an evangelist Christian? Does the other 0.1% account for some tiny minority who actually consider policy?</i></p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m accounting for the percentage that would say the candidate was from the wrong evangelical church.</p>
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		<title>By: SamFromUtah</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353652</link>
		<dc:creator>SamFromUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;being an atheist myself, I’ve actually heard that argument.&lt;/i&gt;

Wow, there&#039;s the power of faith, regardless of what the faith is in, I suppose. It sounds like the same kind of wool-headed thinking that leads people to claim that Christian rock is really Satanic because &lt;i&gt;the beat&lt;/i&gt; is inherently evil.

But why only 99.9% of fundagelicals voting for an evangelist Christian? Does the other 0.1% account for some tiny minority who actually consider policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>being an atheist myself, I’ve actually heard that argument.</i></p>
<p>Wow, there&#8217;s the power of faith, regardless of what the faith is in, I suppose. It sounds like the same kind of wool-headed thinking that leads people to claim that Christian rock is really Satanic because <i>the beat</i> is inherently evil.</p>
<p>But why only 99.9% of fundagelicals voting for an evangelist Christian? Does the other 0.1% account for some tiny minority who actually consider policy?</p>
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		<title>By: SenderC</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353637</link>
		<dc:creator>SenderC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, that&#039;s exactly why I put them ahead of atheists (being an atheist myself, I&#039;ve actually heard that argument).  I agree with you about the Quakers. If you&#039;re for peace, you lose at least 95% of their votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, that&#8217;s exactly why I put them ahead of atheists (being an atheist myself, I&#8217;ve actually heard that argument).  I agree with you about the Quakers. If you&#8217;re for peace, you lose at least 95% of their votes.</p>
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		<title>By: SamFromUtah</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353633</link>
		<dc:creator>SamFromUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;9. Satanist (0.01%)&lt;/i&gt;

At first glance I thought your putting Satanists ahead of atheists was odd, but after a bit of thought I agree. I imagine the &quot;thinking&quot; would go something like &quot;...at least they believe in &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;

Well done.

...where do Quakers fit in there, being a peace church and all? I&#039;d put them just behind Buddhists, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>9. Satanist (0.01%)</i></p>
<p>At first glance I thought your putting Satanists ahead of atheists was odd, but after a bit of thought I agree. I imagine the &#8220;thinking&#8221; would go something like &#8220;&#8230;at least they believe in <i>something</i>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well done.</p>
<p>&#8230;where do Quakers fit in there, being a peace church and all? I&#8217;d put them just behind Buddhists, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: SenderC</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353631</link>
		<dc:creator>SenderC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, Peggy, here&#039;s my rough estimate of the percentage of Evangelical voters who would vote for a candidate with the following religious beliefs:

1.	Evangelical Christian (99.9%)
2.  	Mainline Protestant (65%)
3.  	Roman Catholic (40%)
4.  	Jewish (15%)
5.  	Buddhist (2%)
6.  	Zoroastrian (1.5%)
7.  	Mormon (1%)
8.  	Hindu (0.5%)
9.  	Satanist (0.01%)
10. 	Atheist (0.0%)

You Republicans made this mess.  Excuse me while I laugh at your attempts to rein in your bigots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, Peggy, here&#8217;s my rough estimate of the percentage of Evangelical voters who would vote for a candidate with the following religious beliefs:</p>
<p>1.	Evangelical Christian (99.9%)<br />
2.  	Mainline Protestant (65%)<br />
3.  	Roman Catholic (40%)<br />
4.  	Jewish (15%)<br />
5.  	Buddhist (2%)<br />
6.  	Zoroastrian (1.5%)<br />
7.  	Mormon (1%)<br />
8.  	Hindu (0.5%)<br />
9.  	Satanist (0.01%)<br />
10. 	Atheist (0.0%)</p>
<p>You Republicans made this mess.  Excuse me while I laugh at your attempts to rein in your bigots.</p>
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		<title>By: Rightwingsnarkle</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8083.html#comment-353629</link>
		<dc:creator>Rightwingsnarkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Damn, that white jesus had him some great hair…&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Hey, man - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jesusismagicthemovie.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Jesus is Magic.&lt;/a&gt;

PS - some pretty funny Jesus PhotoShopping over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2007/12/you-cant-spell-jesus-without-us.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; LG&amp;M.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Damn, that white jesus had him some great hair…&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Hey, man &#8211; <a href="http://www.jesusismagicthemovie.com/" rel="nofollow"> Jesus is Magic.</a></p>
<p>PS &#8211; some pretty funny Jesus PhotoShopping over at <a href="http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2007/12/you-cant-spell-jesus-without-us.html" rel="nofollow"> LG&amp;M.</a></p>
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