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	<title>Comments on: An open letter to Debbie Howell</title>
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		<title>By: VoiceFromTheWilderness</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-348135</link>
		<dc:creator>VoiceFromTheWilderness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been hearing extensive rumors, for many years now, that reporters are corrupt, lying, weasles, whose every action is dedicated to advancing the cause of fascism everywhere, but particularly here in America.  The rumors say that the press is consistently hiding their sources, whenever those sources 1) have a politcal stake in the outcome of the journalists reporting, 2) are advancing the cause of fascism, and 3) are current holders of significant political power.  Rumors also suggest that any news or information that might damage public perception of right wing reactionaries is minimized or suppressed, while news enhancing aggressive emotional responses aimed at weak or foreign groups (or both) is systematically promoted.  Indeed rumors have been circulating for years that journalist throughout america have promoted stories aimed at destroying the ligitemacy and perceived personal morality of polticians deemed &#039;insufficiently right wing&#039;.  Even older rumors of journalists suppressing information about US government involvement in acts both illegal, and destructive of the lives large numbers of people (many millions), as well as destabilizing of locally supported governments have persisted for well over 40 years now.

Would the Washington Post do a story on that please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been hearing extensive rumors, for many years now, that reporters are corrupt, lying, weasles, whose every action is dedicated to advancing the cause of fascism everywhere, but particularly here in America.  The rumors say that the press is consistently hiding their sources, whenever those sources 1) have a politcal stake in the outcome of the journalists reporting, 2) are advancing the cause of fascism, and 3) are current holders of significant political power.  Rumors also suggest that any news or information that might damage public perception of right wing reactionaries is minimized or suppressed, while news enhancing aggressive emotional responses aimed at weak or foreign groups (or both) is systematically promoted.  Indeed rumors have been circulating for years that journalist throughout america have promoted stories aimed at destroying the ligitemacy and perceived personal morality of polticians deemed &#8216;insufficiently right wing&#8217;.  Even older rumors of journalists suppressing information about US government involvement in acts both illegal, and destructive of the lives large numbers of people (many millions), as well as destabilizing of locally supported governments have persisted for well over 40 years now.</p>
<p>Would the Washington Post do a story on that please?</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347903</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would pay ten gazillion dollars&lt;/i&gt;

I would pay eleven gazillion.</description>
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<p>I would pay eleven gazillion.</p>
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		<title>By: InsaneInTheCheneyBrain</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347431</link>
		<dc:creator>InsaneInTheCheneyBrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;the mother of all bitchslaps is going to come

accountability? are you fucking kidding me? wake me up when it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;the mother of all bitchslaps is going to come</p>
<p>accountability? are you fucking kidding me? wake me up when it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347394</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am  sorry I missed Saul&#039;s &quot;look at me. I am a patriot wingnut&quot; temper tantrum last night and add kudos to those who ignored him. Wingnuts make it so easy these days with their constant boorishness and redoubtable wankery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am  sorry I missed Saul&#8217;s &#8220;look at me. I am a patriot wingnut&#8221; temper tantrum last night and add kudos to those who ignored him. Wingnuts make it so easy these days with their constant boorishness and redoubtable wankery.</p>
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		<title>By: Rufus</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347285</link>
		<dc:creator>Rufus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some competent stylists at Supercuts, you know.

Just saying ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some competent stylists at Supercuts, you know.</p>
<p>Just saying &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: (Lex) Skink Tyree (Azagthoth)</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347274</link>
		<dc:creator>(Lex) Skink Tyree (Azagthoth)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, the guy who already does everything that CAIR and the Saudi wahhabists say to do is already President. What more do they need? I really do think that Bush will have to betray every single last special interest before all of the wingers finally hate him. He finally hit on one sore point, uncompromising support for Israel, and now Atlas et al are calling him a terrorist and running pics of him (finally) with his close Saudi pals. Anything they&#039;re dreaming up about Obama Bush has already done. &quot;None so blind....&quot; eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, the guy who already does everything that CAIR and the Saudi wahhabists say to do is already President. What more do they need? I really do think that Bush will have to betray every single last special interest before all of the wingers finally hate him. He finally hit on one sore point, uncompromising support for Israel, and now Atlas et al are calling him a terrorist and running pics of him (finally) with his close Saudi pals. Anything they&#8217;re dreaming up about Obama Bush has already done. &#8220;None so blind&#8230;.&#8221; eh?</p>
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		<title>By: MzNicky</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347256</link>
		<dc:creator>MzNicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugs and kisses to &lt;b&gt;g&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;snowwy&lt;/b&gt; for starving the troll during last night&#039;s unpleasantness! Way to go, guys! Paying no attention to trolls is like throwing water on the Wicked Witch of the West—&lt;i&gt;they&#039;re melllting, they&#039;re melllltting...&lt;/i&gt;

And what Ann Laurie said at 6:20. Beautiful. Corporately controlled media is just another underpinning of the plutocracy. Their purpose is to help keep hegemony firmly in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugs and kisses to <b>g</b> and <b>snowwy</b> for starving the troll during last night&#8217;s unpleasantness! Way to go, guys! Paying no attention to trolls is like throwing water on the Wicked Witch of the West—<i>they&#8217;re melllting, they&#8217;re melllltting&#8230;</i></p>
<p>And what Ann Laurie said at 6:20. Beautiful. Corporately controlled media is just another underpinning of the plutocracy. Their purpose is to help keep hegemony firmly in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347178</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would pay ten gazillion dollars to see Brian Williams go down to the local barbershop and get clipped and buzzed, and have it filmed for a &quot;news special&quot;.

The expression on his face while some Supercuts washout mangled his prettyboy coiffure would be completely worth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would pay ten gazillion dollars to see Brian Williams go down to the local barbershop and get clipped and buzzed, and have it filmed for a &#8220;news special&#8221;.</p>
<p>The expression on his face while some Supercuts washout mangled his prettyboy coiffure would be completely worth</p>
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		<title>By: Sophist, FCD</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347163</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophist, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Despite his denials, rumors and e-mails circulating on the Internet continue to allege that Obama (D-Ill.) is a Muslim, &lt;b&gt;a &quot;Muslim plant&quot; in a conspiracy against America&lt;/b&gt;...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dude, &lt;i&gt;what the fuck?&lt;/i&gt; In what world can you just pass on this sort of odious libel without comment? What&#039;s next, reporting that, despite protestations to the contrary from every sane person on earth, rumors continue to swirl on the internet that Jews use the blood of innocent Christian babies in their dark rituals? Is that the new standard? As long a some jackass on the tubes says something is true you can pass it along unchallenged, no matter how bugfuck insane it might be?

How can these people stand look at themselves in the mirror every morning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Despite his denials, rumors and e-mails circulating on the Internet continue to allege that Obama (D-Ill.) is a Muslim, <b>a &#8220;Muslim plant&#8221; in a conspiracy against America</b>&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Dude, <i>what the fuck?</i> In what world can you just pass on this sort of odious libel without comment? What&#8217;s next, reporting that, despite protestations to the contrary from every sane person on earth, rumors continue to swirl on the internet that Jews use the blood of innocent Christian babies in their dark rituals? Is that the new standard? As long a some jackass on the tubes says something is true you can pass it along unchallenged, no matter how bugfuck insane it might be?</p>
<p>How can these people stand look at themselves in the mirror every morning?</p>
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		<title>By: Fake Saul</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347150</link>
		<dc:creator>Fake Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why won&#039;t anybody pway wif me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why won&#8217;t anybody pway wif me?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347095</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I seem to remember reading about Brian Williams yucking it up with someone or other and then claiming he “probably” never paid more than $20 for a haircut...&lt;/i&gt;

Well, of course *Brian* doesn&#039;t pay for his anchor-worthy haircuts, or for the services of his personal makeup artists, any more than my little lap dog pays to have his nails clipped!  That serious fiscal liability falls upon the &lt;b&gt;owners&lt;/b&gt; of the lapdogs in question -- and that&#039;s how we should be fighting back against the &quot;reglar-guy&quot; yippers.   Williams and Matthews and all the other teebee mediapodpeople are expensively groomed and primped and pampered by their corporate masters, who&#039;ve long since cut off their balls; their continued existence depends on their being adorable and loyal and ever-ready to make a lot of noise when &quot;outsiders&quot; approach the Media Village gates.   There&#039;s no shame in being a lapdog, as long as we don&#039;t make the mistake of confusing them with anything capable of more than looking pretty and barking really really loudly on command.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I seem to remember reading about Brian Williams yucking it up with someone or other and then claiming he “probably” never paid more than $20 for a haircut&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Well, of course *Brian* doesn&#8217;t pay for his anchor-worthy haircuts, or for the services of his personal makeup artists, any more than my little lap dog pays to have his nails clipped!  That serious fiscal liability falls upon the <b>owners</b> of the lapdogs in question &#8212; and that&#8217;s how we should be fighting back against the &#8220;reglar-guy&#8221; yippers.   Williams and Matthews and all the other teebee mediapodpeople are expensively groomed and primped and pampered by their corporate masters, who&#8217;ve long since cut off their balls; their continued existence depends on their being adorable and loyal and ever-ready to make a lot of noise when &#8220;outsiders&#8221; approach the Media Village gates.   There&#8217;s no shame in being a lapdog, as long as we don&#8217;t make the mistake of confusing them with anything capable of more than looking pretty and barking really really loudly on command.</p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347089</link>
		<dc:creator>John O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, Hillary tried it and the Corporate Media immediately declared it a fake cackle.

Still, I don&#039;t think McCain, Huckabee, Edwards, Obama, and even Hillary couldn&#039;t muster an honest laugh at the shit they get for serious questions.

Oh, and Saul, just go to a Rethug site and bask in your own glory and brilliance, you freak show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, Hillary tried it and the Corporate Media immediately declared it a fake cackle.</p>
<p>Still, I don&#8217;t think McCain, Huckabee, Edwards, Obama, and even Hillary couldn&#8217;t muster an honest laugh at the shit they get for serious questions.</p>
<p>Oh, and Saul, just go to a Rethug site and bask in your own glory and brilliance, you freak show.</p>
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		<title>By: John O</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347087</link>
		<dc:creator>John O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g,

Laughter is an incredibly underrated political tool.  So is humiliation.

I guess &quot;serious&quot; politicians can&#039;t use it, but I say that&#039;s just nonsense, 20th Century mindset.

It would be kickass to see any of them, on either side, and Lord knows they both get the chance, just laugh and ask, &quot;What does that have to do with anything?  Are you going for ratings or trying to let the American people choose a qualified candidate?&quot;

Dreams indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>g,</p>
<p>Laughter is an incredibly underrated political tool.  So is humiliation.</p>
<p>I guess &#8220;serious&#8221; politicians can&#8217;t use it, but I say that&#8217;s just nonsense, 20th Century mindset.</p>
<p>It would be kickass to see any of them, on either side, and Lord knows they both get the chance, just laugh and ask, &#8220;What does that have to do with anything?  Are you going for ratings or trying to let the American people choose a qualified candidate?&#8221;</p>
<p>Dreams indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: albany layman</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347075</link>
		<dc:creator>albany layman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;how about you, how much did you pay for that haircut&lt;/i&gt;

Problem is, g, I seem to remember reading about Brian Williams yucking it up with someone or other and then claiming he &quot;probably&quot; never paid more than $20 for a haircut.  Don&#039;t expect them to drop the &quot;I&#039;m just a regular guy too&quot; shit for one second.

Oh, and happy belated birthday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>how about you, how much did you pay for that haircut</i></p>
<p>Problem is, g, I seem to remember reading about Brian Williams yucking it up with someone or other and then claiming he &#8220;probably&#8221; never paid more than $20 for a haircut.  Don&#8217;t expect them to drop the &#8220;I&#8217;m just a regular guy too&#8221; shit for one second.</p>
<p>Oh, and happy belated birthday!</p>
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		<title>By: Snowwy</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347064</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowwy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g-

Nah- call Rachel Maddow.  Deadly with a blade, is she.</description>
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<p>Nah- call Rachel Maddow.  Deadly with a blade, is she.</p>
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		<title>By: SamFromUtah</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347063</link>
		<dc:creator>SamFromUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cause the fucking bastards turned it into a referendum on whether John Kerry really deserved his purple heart, or whether Teresa Heinz Kerry is a bitch.&lt;/I&gt;

Oh heavens no - it was all about the homo-nups. The swiftboating was just a bit of insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cause the fucking bastards turned it into a referendum on whether John Kerry really deserved his purple heart, or whether Teresa Heinz Kerry is a bitch.</i></p>
<p>Oh heavens no &#8211; it was all about the homo-nups. The swiftboating was just a bit of insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347061</link>
		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How the hell is it that 2004 was not a referendum on the fact that Osama bin Laden was still free?&lt;/i&gt;

Cause the fucking bastards turned it into a referendum on whether John Kerry really deserved his purple heart, or whether Teresa Heinz Kerry is a bitch.

Oh, and don&#039;t forget the hard-hitting investigative journalism where they determined that Kerry and Teresa didn&#039;t really enjoy having lunch at Wendy&#039;s with the Edwardses.

Far more important than discussing Bush&#039;s failure to capture the guy that killed 3000 or so of our citizens.

I’d really like to see SOMEONE go on CNN during the next gab-fest about John Edwards’ hair, and say, “Well, Chris, how about you, how much did you pay for that haircut? Campbell, how about you? Your forehead is suspiciously smooth - you using Bo-tox? And Brian, is that bronzer or do you go to the tanning parlor?”

Maybe Stephanie Miller will do it. I’ll email her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How the hell is it that 2004 was not a referendum on the fact that Osama bin Laden was still free?</i></p>
<p>Cause the fucking bastards turned it into a referendum on whether John Kerry really deserved his purple heart, or whether Teresa Heinz Kerry is a bitch.</p>
<p>Oh, and don&#8217;t forget the hard-hitting investigative journalism where they determined that Kerry and Teresa didn&#8217;t really enjoy having lunch at Wendy&#8217;s with the Edwardses.</p>
<p>Far more important than discussing Bush&#8217;s failure to capture the guy that killed 3000 or so of our citizens.</p>
<p>I’d really like to see SOMEONE go on CNN during the next gab-fest about John Edwards’ hair, and say, “Well, Chris, how about you, how much did you pay for that haircut? Campbell, how about you? Your forehead is suspiciously smooth &#8211; you using Bo-tox? And Brian, is that bronzer or do you go to the tanning parlor?”</p>
<p>Maybe Stephanie Miller will do it. I’ll email her.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowwy</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347059</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowwy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just listened the other day to a rebroadcast of a This American Life show about the election of Chicago mayor Harold Washington...

Actually, nevermind.  No one that competent or real is a candidate this time around.  Fuck it.  Even I&#039;m considering not voting, and I have voted in every election since I turned 18.  Every. Single. One.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just listened the other day to a rebroadcast of a This American Life show about the election of Chicago mayor Harold Washington&#8230;</p>
<p>Actually, nevermind.  No one that competent or real is a candidate this time around.  Fuck it.  Even I&#8217;m considering not voting, and I have voted in every election since I turned 18.  Every. Single. One.</p>
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		<title>By: Saul</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347057</link>
		<dc:creator>Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And last but certainly LEAST you liberals have that dumbo-eared wimp Dennis &quot;I saw a UFO&quot; Kucinich.  I tell you the truth if that pinko commie pacifist sissy becomes President this Country is doomed to destruction.  He&#039;s a pacifist he won&#039;t even fight back if the terrorists attack.  His &quot;philosophy&quot; of &quot;strength through peace&quot; is all I need to hear to know that this guy is not fit to hold any public office much less the Presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And last but certainly LEAST you liberals have that dumbo-eared wimp Dennis &#8220;I saw a UFO&#8221; Kucinich.  I tell you the truth if that pinko commie pacifist sissy becomes President this Country is doomed to destruction.  He&#8217;s a pacifist he won&#8217;t even fight back if the terrorists attack.  His &#8220;philosophy&#8221; of &#8220;strength through peace&#8221; is all I need to hear to know that this guy is not fit to hold any public office much less the Presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowwy</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7978.html#comment-347052</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowwy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g,

Yeah but WTF is up with that?  How the hell is it that 2004 was not a referendum on the fact that Osama bin Laden was still free?  

I pretty much lost my faith in the American people on that election day.  The majority is obviously just too stupid to comprehend that they elected a man even stupider than they are- and bound and determined to prove it.</description>
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<p>Yeah but WTF is up with that?  How the hell is it that 2004 was not a referendum on the fact that Osama bin Laden was still free?  </p>
<p>I pretty much lost my faith in the American people on that election day.  The majority is obviously just too stupid to comprehend that they elected a man even stupider than they are- and bound and determined to prove it.</p>
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