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	<description>Poise! Poise!</description>
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		<title>By: Smiling Mortician</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smiling Mortician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikey -- yes yes yes.

Mark the Spark -- please (as I say to my students) read more carefully. Knowing who his parents were and where he grew up does not substitute for thoughtful exploration of the texts. Do you want your ideas judged purely on the basis of who your parents are/were? 

*shuddering at the very thought*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikey &#8212; yes yes yes.</p>
<p>Mark the Spark &#8212; please (as I say to my students) read more carefully. Knowing who his parents were and where he grew up does not substitute for thoughtful exploration of the texts. Do you want your ideas judged purely on the basis of who your parents are/were? </p>
<p>*shuddering at the very thought*</p>
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		<title>By: M. Bouffant</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Bouffant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this crap about &quot;success&quot; in the Kurdish areas conveniently forgets that the Kurds, under the Northern No-Fly Zone, were pretty much running their own show up there long before spring 2003. Whatever &quot;success&quot; there is can&#039;t really be attributed to the American prescence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this crap about &#8220;success&#8221; in the Kurdish areas conveniently forgets that the Kurds, under the Northern No-Fly Zone, were pretty much running their own show up there long before spring 2003. Whatever &#8220;success&#8221; there is can&#8217;t really be attributed to the American prescence.</p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7277.html#comment-289593</link>
		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kipling does one helluva job of making you understand what it means when you get it you&#039;re eleven bravo.  Third oldest profession. 

He got it.  And could tell it to you.  Your job was to die.  You were simply expected to take seven mud people with you.  Then the math worked.  And there was no point or reason for being bitter.  How else could the world be?

And that&#039;s the trap we&#039;re in today.  The honesty comes from the trigger-pullers.  And the leadership doesn&#039;t have to listen...

mikey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kipling does one helluva job of making you understand what it means when you get it you&#8217;re eleven bravo.  Third oldest profession. </p>
<p>He got it.  And could tell it to you.  Your job was to die.  You were simply expected to take seven mud people with you.  Then the math worked.  And there was no point or reason for being bitter.  How else could the world be?</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the trap we&#8217;re in today.  The honesty comes from the trigger-pullers.  And the leadership doesn&#8217;t have to listen&#8230;</p>
<p>mikey</p>
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		<title>By: MarktheSpark</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7277.html#comment-289579</link>
		<dc:creator>MarktheSpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The picture of Bush clutching the child on that link is teh Creeepy!

And no, Kipling is not being &quot;ironic&quot;-- he grew up in India (thus the Jungle Book) as his parents served the Queenly Empire there, &amp; he hated the &quot;wogs&quot; &amp; brown people &amp; embraced his privilege.

He did have some regrets when he sent his 21 yr. old son off to WWI and the boy was dead in less than a week-- but that was fairly late in his career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The picture of Bush clutching the child on that link is teh Creeepy!</p>
<p>And no, Kipling is not being &#8220;ironic&#8221;&#8211; he grew up in India (thus the Jungle Book) as his parents served the Queenly Empire there, &amp; he hated the &#8220;wogs&#8221; &amp; brown people &amp; embraced his privilege.</p>
<p>He did have some regrets when he sent his 21 yr. old son off to WWI and the boy was dead in less than a week&#8211; but that was fairly late in his career.</p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man, Mortician, every freakin time I so much as mention I enjoy AE Houseman or Kipling they kick my ass for it.

But let&#039;s be honest.  They like commie poets who are afraid of meter....

And allergic to rhyme...

mikey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, Mortician, every freakin time I so much as mention I enjoy AE Houseman or Kipling they kick my ass for it.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s be honest.  They like commie poets who are afraid of meter&#8230;.</p>
<p>And allergic to rhyme&#8230;</p>
<p>mikey</p>
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		<title>By: Smiling Mortician</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smiling Mortician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoosier X, yes, Kipling is full of what those in the lit crit biz call verbal irony. He&#039;s been misread about as much as poor old Eric Blair, cursed with the misapplied adjective &quot;Orwellian&quot; . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoosier X, yes, Kipling is full of what those in the lit crit biz call verbal irony. He&#8217;s been misread about as much as poor old Eric Blair, cursed with the misapplied adjective &#8220;Orwellian&#8221; . . .</p>
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		<title>By: L.S./M.F.T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.S./M.F.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &lt;i&gt;casino&lt;/i&gt;...  In the Kurdish Government General /  Autonomous Collective Area???

I&#039;m sure the guys in AQ-M will be doing a LOT of R&amp;R there. Will they have a, &quot;Bomb Check Girl&quot;? Or will there simply be a hole in the wall that says, &quot;Put Bomb Here&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <i>casino</i>&#8230;  In the Kurdish Government General /  Autonomous Collective Area???</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the guys in AQ-M will be doing a LOT of R&amp;R there. Will they have a, &#8220;Bomb Check Girl&#8221;? Or will there simply be a hole in the wall that says, &#8220;Put Bomb Here&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Muttonhead, Wingnut Extraordinare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Muttonhead, Wingnut Extraordinare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6. THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT TODAY’S AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THEIR ANCESTORS HAD REMAINED BEHIND IN AFRICA. 

And there&#039;s no reason to believe that today&#039;s Iraqis aren&#039;t grateful for all the freedom we&#039;ve given them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6. THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT TODAY’S AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THEIR ANCESTORS HAD REMAINED BEHIND IN AFRICA. </p>
<p>And there&#8217;s no reason to believe that today&#8217;s Iraqis aren&#8217;t grateful for all the freedom we&#8217;ve given them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rufus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rufus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s only one possible explanation for the news that the Kurds are building a casino. The Surge is working. Yes, you heard it here first. Well, almost first.

Was &quot;opening a Kurdish casino&quot; one of the benchmarks? Please tell me it was. Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s only one possible explanation for the news that the Kurds are building a casino. The Surge is working. Yes, you heard it here first. Well, almost first.</p>
<p>Was &#8220;opening a Kurdish casino&#8221; one of the benchmarks? Please tell me it was. Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Cangrejero</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7277.html#comment-289301</link>
		<dc:creator>Cangrejero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Can anyone tell me where this sort of lunacy comes from?”&lt;/i&gt;

From a very, very deep-rooted desire to be liked.  They&#039;ve projected their egos onto the troops and the US presence in Iraq.  If the Iraqis are happy that the US is there, then they are liked by the Iraqis in their minds.  Unlike that bitch ex-wife and stupid boss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Can anyone tell me where this sort of lunacy comes from?”</i></p>
<p>From a very, very deep-rooted desire to be liked.  They&#8217;ve projected their egos onto the troops and the US presence in Iraq.  If the Iraqis are happy that the US is there, then they are liked by the Iraqis in their minds.  Unlike that bitch ex-wife and stupid boss.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7277.html#comment-289283</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Because the Kurds are (I’m not making this up) building a shiny new casino in Sulaimaniyah!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes. Yes, they are, and I&#039;ll be opening in The Grand Wazoo Ballroom and Theater on March 15th for a limited one-week engagement, with nightly shows at 8:00 and 11:30. 

Shecky Gold&#039;s opening for me. You may have seen Shecky on my 2002-03 reality series on Bravo. He&#039;s a funny, funny guy. You&#039;ll love him.

The early show&#039;s open to all ages, but the 11:30 can get a little...&lt;i&gt;blue.&lt;/i&gt;

I look forward to seeing you there. And don&#039;t forget to try the veal. It&#039;s halal, of course.

Thank you very much. You&#039;ve been a terrific audience. And God Bless America....and a free Iraq!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stationave.com/bios.waynenewton.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Danke Schoen, darlin&#039; Danke Schoen...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Because the Kurds are (I’m not making this up) building a shiny new casino in Sulaimaniyah!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yes. Yes, they are, and I&#8217;ll be opening in The Grand Wazoo Ballroom and Theater on March 15th for a limited one-week engagement, with nightly shows at 8:00 and 11:30. </p>
<p>Shecky Gold&#8217;s opening for me. You may have seen Shecky on my 2002-03 reality series on Bravo. He&#8217;s a funny, funny guy. You&#8217;ll love him.</p>
<p>The early show&#8217;s open to all ages, but the 11:30 can get a little&#8230;<i>blue.</i></p>
<p>I look forward to seeing you there. And don&#8217;t forget to try the veal. It&#8217;s halal, of course.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. You&#8217;ve been a terrific audience. And God Bless America&#8230;.and a free Iraq!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stationave.com/bios.waynenewton.html" rel="nofollow"> Danke Schoen, darlin&#8217; Danke Schoen&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dhalgren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dhalgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget your upcoming residency at Caesars Palace, Cher.  Kurdistan wants you.

&lt;i&gt;I believe in life after love....&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget your upcoming residency at Caesars Palace, Cher.  Kurdistan wants you.</p>
<p><i>I believe in life after love&#8230;.</i></p>
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		<title>By: owlbear1</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7277.html#comment-289276</link>
		<dc:creator>owlbear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of their &#039;Pearly-White Stetsons&#039; are 2&quot; too small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of their &#8216;Pearly-White Stetsons&#8217; are 2&#8243; too small.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g said,
So when does “Blue Man Group” open?

They have this great skit where they get cut down in a hail of gunfire, splurting blue liquid over the stage, then fall to the ground and lay still for the next hour and a half.
I think it will really speak to the Iraqis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>g said,<br />
So when does “Blue Man Group” open?</p>
<p>They have this great skit where they get cut down in a hail of gunfire, splurting blue liquid over the stage, then fall to the ground and lay still for the next hour and a half.<br />
I think it will really speak to the Iraqis.</p>
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		<title>By: RubDMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RubDMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Can anyone tell me where this sort of lunacy comes from?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

From the voices. In their heads. Received as radio transmissions. Through the fillings in their teeth. Direct from HQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Can anyone tell me where this sort of lunacy comes from?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>From the voices. In their heads. Received as radio transmissions. Through the fillings in their teeth. Direct from HQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoosier X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoosier X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Um, sloppy readings of Rudyard Kipling?&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve always been under the impression that Kipling was being sarcastic. When I was a teaching assistant, I gave a lecture on the US adventure in the Philippines, and I read a couple of verses from &quot;White Man&#039;s Burden&quot; and I taught it from the perspective that Kipling was being sarcastic. Something from his tone.

Still, I&#039;m not an expert in English lit, and I could be wrong. Does anyone know enough of Kipling&#039;s private thoughts, from journals or letters or whatever, to offer up an opinion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Um, sloppy readings of Rudyard Kipling?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been under the impression that Kipling was being sarcastic. When I was a teaching assistant, I gave a lecture on the US adventure in the Philippines, and I read a couple of verses from &#8220;White Man&#8217;s Burden&#8221; and I taught it from the perspective that Kipling was being sarcastic. Something from his tone.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m not an expert in English lit, and I could be wrong. Does anyone know enough of Kipling&#8217;s private thoughts, from journals or letters or whatever, to offer up an opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: DUDACKATTACK!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>DUDACKATTACK!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, maybe there is a place where Dennis Miller can find a stand-up gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe there is a place where Dennis Miller can find a stand-up gig.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Because the Kurds are (I’m not making this up) building a shiny new casino in Sulaimaniyah&lt;/i&gt;

So when does &quot;Blue Man Group&quot; open?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Because the Kurds are (I’m not making this up) building a shiny new casino in Sulaimaniyah</i></p>
<p>So when does &#8220;Blue Man Group&#8221; open?</p>
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		<title>By: mextremist</title>
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		<dc:creator>mextremist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why it comes straight out of their asses!  can&#039;t you tell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why it comes straight out of their asses!  can&#8217;t you tell?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think first you promote the narrative that they *are* grateful to afterward plausibly act taken aback that they are not -- and why not?  The ingrates.

This can be applied equally well to angry Iraqis (but remember how grateful we thought you oughta be when we invaded your country?) and angry black Americans (but remember how grateful we decided you oughta be that we brung you over to this great country?)

You have to make fantasy history part 1 before you can follow it up triumphantly with fantasy history part 2.

I mean, what is Medved&#039;s storyline meant to do except to later enable him to lament the absence of gratitude on the part of black people for slavery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think first you promote the narrative that they *are* grateful to afterward plausibly act taken aback that they are not &#8212; and why not?  The ingrates.</p>
<p>This can be applied equally well to angry Iraqis (but remember how grateful we thought you oughta be when we invaded your country?) and angry black Americans (but remember how grateful we decided you oughta be that we brung you over to this great country?)</p>
<p>You have to make fantasy history part 1 before you can follow it up triumphantly with fantasy history part 2.</p>
<p>I mean, what is Medved&#8217;s storyline meant to do except to later enable him to lament the absence of gratitude on the part of black people for slavery?</p>
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