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Foto Funnies Pt. II
From Little Green Footballs, 9/21/07:
Above: Screen-capture of LGF post
That’s a reprinted press release from David Horowitz’s FrontPageMag. The text reads, “The photo accompanying this article, which shows a teenage girl buried before being stoned to death for alleged sexual offenses, will serve as the poster for the protest Week. The stoning took place in Iran.”
This photo turns up all over the right-wing media, but the ’stoning’ actually takes place in a 1994 Dutch indie film called De Steen, directed by Mahnaz Tamizi. The ‘teenage girl’ is actress Smadar Monsinos.
Above: Press release retrieved from FrontPageMag, 9/24/07
Above: Press release retrieved from FrontPageMag, 9/27/07
Whoopsie. Looks like David Horowitz left a few people hanging out to dry.
The Week’s events will include speeches about Islamo-Fascism by prominent figures, including former Senator Rick Santorum (Penn State, Temple and UPenn), Sean Hannity (Columbia), Ann Coulter (Tulane and USC), Dennis Prager (UC Santa Barbara), Robert Spencer (Brown, Dartmouth, University of Rhode Island, and DePaul), Daniel Pipes (Northeastern and UPenn), David Horowitz (Columbia, Emory, Ohio State, Michigan and Wisconsin), Michael Ledeen (Maryland), Nonie Darwish (UCLA and Berkeley), Wafa Sultan (Stanford) and radio talk show hosts Melanie Morgan (San Francisco State), Michael Medved (University of Washington), Martha Zoeller (Georgia Tech), Alan Nathan (George Mason), Mark Larson (to be named) and many others.
Perhaps Confederate Yankee can do his usual thing and request, nay, demand that these people denounce the fraudulent fabulism with fake photo images racka-fracka boldly perpetrated in their names, hummana-hummana, etc — and that they do the decent thing and resign.
Bonus LGF comments:
#59 Dad O’ Blondes 9/21/07 12:21:44 pm
And there’s an example of a picture that’s worth alot more than a thousand words –
– they really are barbaric.
#61 Abu Al-Poopypants 9/21/07 12:22:31 pm
I’m not going to be able to get that photo out of my mind any time soon.
Yeah, we bet.
Legalize said,
September 27, 2007 at 21:57
I’m still waiting for these chuckle-heads to define “Islamofascism.”
MrWonderful said,
September 27, 2007 at 21:59
So those universities are places where the aforementioned are going to speak?
Must be. Otherwise David Horowitz went to five schools. And, I mean, come on.
Clutch414 said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:01
Doesn’t anyone on the right source check?
I said it before and now I’ll say it again…Sweet Zombie Jesus, that just DUMB!!
Sadly, Cambridgeport said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:03
More “fake, but accurate”
The truth may appear to be unpatriotic at times, but that is only because [insert enemy] is so clever and wiley, seducing us into his America-destroying anti-freedomism. The greater truth is ALWAYS patriotic, even if we can’t see it at the time, so your first duty is patriotism. The rest will be cleaned up by our specially screened historians.
To be patriotic:
1) Follow the Leader
2) Hate the Enemy
3) Hate anyone who doesn’t follow the Leader
4) Hate anyone who doesn’t hate the enemy enough
Obviously you will spend the bulk of your time hating, but that is how we show our support. The truth will prevail, even if we have to spend the whole night on photoshop
RCP said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:06
Since that stoning never actually happened, the invisible photo is strangely appropriate.
Also, when did he switch to full on CLINTONAZILAMOFASCIST ARE DESTROYING FREEDOMERACADEMISRAEL mode? I remember him being slightly saner than that, though not by much.
JoshWatermanMN said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:07
I’m still waiting for these chuckle-heads to define “Islamofascism.”
Really. Since fascism in its purest form involves the fusion of the state and corporate interests, which corporations should we be boycotting in order to turn the tide of this swarthy scourge?
(crickets chirp)
Marita said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:07
Here’s a site that’s still using the picture. They’ve even got a how-to guide for student groups that want hold Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week events.
Someone less restrained than myself might be tempted to get up to some sort of hijinks with that sort of information.
Sweet Zombie Jesus said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:08
I resent being judged by the actions of a few extreme followers. Though I may have decided to let them into heaven, it does not mean that I condone their research methods or political views, anymore than Dr. Pantload printing an email shows agreement of the views expressed in said email. This should be obvious.
Sweet Zombie Jesus said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:10
agreement with the views…etc
Clutch414 said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:11
This is just so self-serving and transparent.
How come the only time they are concerned with gays’ and women’s rights is when those rights are being impugned in a country they want bomb?
Clutch414 said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:11
Praise you, Sweet Zombie Jesus.
snooper said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:16
That stoning is not fake, it actually took place. Hundreds of us witnessed it in Iran.
Update: I’ve been told the stoning we saw wasn’t in Iran, but somewhere in CA. There aren’t any video or pictures, so you’ll just have to take my word for it.
zsa said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:19
Look you ass holes, I was THERE and I SAW this happen with my own eyes.
…
I was back about the 14th row
zsa said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:20
Shit … snooper beat me to it. Again.
a different brad said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:20
From the schools listed in Marita’s link, I bring you……
Messiah College
Sweet Zombie Jesus said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:21
That’s all it takes… you’re in, Clutch414.
t4toby said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:21
Thanks, Marita.
From the link:
Rocked! ROCKED I TELL YOU!!!1!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Methinks a flock of seagulls sized turn-out, no?
RubDMC said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:21
I’m going to as many of these events as I can.
Those are classy schools, and I just know that there will be hot chicks making out in the front row of every lecture hall.
Clutch414 said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:24
Sweet Zombie Jesus, may I be so bold to ask your Grace a question?
Are you related to Jesus H. Christ or Jesus F’n Christ? I had a friend in high school who had a crusty old grandfather who used to invoke those two all the time. First cousins maybe?
And as always…Praise you, Sweet Zombie Jesus.
Jesus Fucking Christ said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:27
Just for the record, I’m of no relation to that Zombie Christ asshole, and we’re not on speaking terms.
Some Guy said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:29
“During the week of October 22-26, 2007, the nation will be rocked by the biggest conservative campus protest ever – Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, a wake-up call for Americans on 200 university and college campuses.”
I’m taking the under bet on the “rocking” of our nation.
Those 50 guys, the goat, and their keg are going to be hella busy visiting 200 campuses in 4 days…
Clutch414 said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:31
“I’m taking the under bet on the “rocking” of our nation.”
I’m taking the under also. I mean, who else could conservatively rock other than the Nuge and he’s soooooooo 1977.
Marita said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:32
Ungh. Included in their how-to kit is an “Appeal to Muslim Students Associations” to join with them. Yes, all Muslims must loudly and repeatedly denounce the activity of terrorists, otherwise they’re obviously terrorists themselves!
There’s also this:
I would think their little petition would be terribly easy to spoof, if someone on one of these campuses were inclined to gather signatures on a parody petition. Just sayin’.
Innocent Bystander said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:35
“How come the only time they are concerned with gays’ and women’s rights is when those rights are being impugned in a country they want bomb?”
Good question. And, really, why aren’t they holding up Iran as the model of a good, moral society that would be willing to kill these people in God’s name? Not very consistent on their moral certainty/absolutism, are they?
And whatever happened to those godless commies? I recall that these same people were telling us that they were going to take over the world 35 years ago.
Legalize said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:35
These are the same assholes who hold “Conservative Coming Out Days,” and wonder why most people over the age of 16 think they’re total douches.
Clutch414 said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:36
Also…is it even possible to rock out “conservatively?” Isn’t that the antithesis of rocking?
I mean…If I were still so F’n metal with the umlat in my name, I’d be able to tell you…but since I’m less-than-F’n-metal I can’t. That’s why I ask.
Clutch414 said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:38
Conservative Coming Out Days?!?!?
Talk about Freudian!!
Seriously? Who do they have a the Master of Ceremonies…Senator Larry “Wide Stance” Craig?
Marita said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:39
And whatever happened to those godless commies?
Well, Innocent Bystander, in the case of David Horowitz, he was one of those godless commies. It gives him some sort of strange credibility that he’s “seen the other side”. His current supporters don’t seem disturbed in the slightest that he just veered from one extremist ideology to another.
Interestingly, his methods remain unchanged.
Legalize: don’t forget the Affirmative Action Bake Sales. Those are like, the classiest thing ever.
Humor Me said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:40
The fact that it was an actress, and that the stoning appeared in a film, in no way reduces the possibility of it being a real stoning, or at the very least, a plausible stoning, for those of us who are sensitive to the issues of stoning. Or perhaps I should say those of us whose sensitivities haven’t been dulled by years of exposure to lesbianism, or gay-leather bacchanalia bullwhip fetes.
Someone with very close connections to the stoning reports to me that the stoning did take place as shown in the photograph, and stills shot from a different angle are pretty conclusive. I will be examining them for myself, and will give you my impressions.
Lesley said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:40
Doesn’t anyone on the right source check?
Lying, slander, inventing evidence, doctoring and misrepresenting photos are an integral part of the right’s MO. Whatever it takes to ensure neoconservative ideals prevail is considered fair game. It works for them, too. By the time people catch on, they’ve moved onto new lies. Make no mistake: the liars know full well they are lying and it doesn’t bother them in the slightest.
r4d20 said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:43
To be patriotic:
1) Follow the Leader
2) Hate the Enemy
3) Hate anyone who doesn’t follow the Leader
4) Hate anyone who doesn’t hate the enemy
5 )Hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t follow the leader
6) Hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t hate the enemy
7)Hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t follow the leader
8)Hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t hate the enemy
9)Hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t follow the leader
10)Hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone hate anyone who doesn’t hate anyone who doesn’t hate the enemy
….
you get the idea
Principal Blackman said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:45
See I see that wart on the ass of society Sean Hannity is scheduled to blargh! at Columbia. How much you guys wanna bet that the very same voices who were screaming that Ahmadenejad should never have been allowed to speak there will be the same ones claiming that any protesting of Douchebag Hannity (no offense to actual feminine hygiene products) is “Stifling free speech!!twelve!”?
geor3ge said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:46
#61 Abu Al-Poopypants 9/21/07 12:22:31 pm
I’m not going to be able to get that photo out of my mind any time soon…..
……ooh, cheddar barbeque!”
Principal Blackman said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:47
“So I see,” not “See I see.” D’oh.
t4toby said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:50
Hey- Humor Me.
You don’t know shiat about stoning.
Personally, I prefer a medium sized glass piece, with a pull carb. Clean water is a must, and if its a little cold, all the better. Make sure no resin goblins are clogging the works, break off .2 - .3 g’s of the home grown Chron, and use your Bic to light that shit! ( What good is saving 75 cents on a lighter if its gonna let you down, mid-toke?)
Now that’s a stoning!
Lesley said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:50
but just try P’shopping celery and pizza slices to some right wing goon’s image and you get nothing but boohoohoos from these sensitive people.
Sweet Zombie Jesus said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:56
Sweet Fucking Jesus! Ever since JFC hit puberty and decided that his name was “Fucking Christ from now on”, and that he wasn’t about to “take any labels from this family” because we were “bourgeoisie”, He’s been on this tear about “no relation” to the Family, but who the hell does He come crying to when He’s in the tank in Reno with a sexual assault charge being drawn up, and needs 75 large for bail?
Batocchio said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:57
Wow, another entry in the Horowitz File for mad research skillz.
g said,
September 27, 2007 at 22:59
I’m surprised that heads aren’t exploding. The Dutch director’s site is trying to prevent executions, both by stoning and by hanging and other means.
How do RW’ers reconcile their outrage at Islamic states executing citizens they believe to be criminal, with their enthusiastic approval of the US executing criminals?
Humor Me said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:01
Sources tell me that topping with a small bit of light hash, and using only filtered, chilled water, produces excellent results, but I’ve got to do the math and verify it for myself.
Clutch414 said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:03
“How do RW’ers reconcile their outrage at Islamic states executing citizens they believe to be criminal, with their enthusiastic approval of the US executing criminals?”
Maybe they write it off as delicious irony?
mikey said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:04
I’m telling you I was THERE, and I saw jesus fucking christ in the Washoe county jail. We split the last third of a joint they didn’t see in my cap…
mikey
Delicious Irony said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:04
Don’t you dare put me in with those folks.
Kathleen said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:05
everyone remember the important thing is not to call him “D-Ho”.
ah those were the days.
WCW said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:06
Caught another LGF whoopsie today — or more specifically a front page dang-let’s-go-back-and-edit-that-out-we-looked-ridiculous-oopsie. Check it at http://www.warcheerleaders.andmuchmore.com
DUDACKATTACK!!! said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:08
“The Week’s events will include speeches about Islamo-Fascism by prominent figures–
NONE of whom have any expertise on the subject of Islam with the lone exception of Nonie Darwish who lazily concedes that the “moderate majority” of Muslims in the Middle East are passively taking orders from Hezbollah and Hamas and that Arab hatred comes out of a vacuum. Hello? You have a “moderate majority” right here held hostage by a lunatic fringe wreaking havoc worldwide. How will she will react when some of the speakers lose their wingnut-meta-filters and start calling for internments and expulsions?
Saintless said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:13
So, ummm…I’m Christian and I want to renounce Christofacism, especially as it relates to Bush. Where do I sign up for that?
Sweet Zombie Jesus said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:14
Mikey, That little weasel has been in every county jail in a dozen states. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit. And He’s a well-known stoner, developed a huge interest in incense and scented candles when He was 11. Started hanging around with Ganesha and that crowd, and well..you know the story.
John Witherspoon said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:14
Hey! I was at that stoning. IT totally took place! I was the guy in the front row with a huge ass boulder.
Bill Kristol said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:14
Alright, Humor, now where having a spirited debate!
I see your hash, and raise you some Keef.
Legalize said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:14
“How do RW’ers reconcile their outrage at Islamic states executing citizens they believe to be criminal, with their enthusiastic approval of the US executing criminals?”
Like they do anytime their inconsistency and hypocrisy are pointed back at them: whine about “moral equivalence.”
CapMidnight said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:15
Might teenage actress Smadar Monsinos be kind enough to appear at these speeches? To give a first-hand account of the difficulties of being stoned to death?
Seriously, I was stoned to death by Islamofascists as a student. (The “alleged sexual offense” was chatting up a football player’s girlfriend while drunk.) It sure hurts.
I got better,
Capt. Twelve A.M. Midnight, E.S.T., C.E.
t4toby said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:16
AWW, shit, I left my zipper open and my straw-man hanging out.
I am such a nOOb.
wagonjak said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:17
Let’s hope a bomb doesn’t go off during this meeting….about 85 percent of the Loony Right-Wing Bloviating Society in this country would be killed!
None of these clueless idiots have been right in anything they’ve said or claimed about the Iraq war and many other subjects…
Jesus Fucking Christ said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:18
Don’t listen to Zombie Christ. He’s had it out for me because I am more hansome, more successful, and more totally heterosexual. What? You think Larry Craig invented the “wide stance” move on his own? Gimme a break. Tell the nice people, Zombie Christ.
Chuffy said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:20
Don’t forget, everyone, Saudi Arabia is our ally!
Duros62 said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:21
“The Week’s events will include speeches about Islamo-Fascism by prominent figures–
Man, it’s a smörgåsbord of bat-shit.
Chuffy said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:21
Also, it is easy to debunk all this nonsense about being stoned to death. There has been no conclusive evidence that smoking pot can kill you…
Sweet Zombie Jesus said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:23
JFC, who I did or did not sleep with in college notwithstanding, at least I am still invited to Thanksgiving dinner.
And since when is a ponytail on a 2000 year old man ” handsome”?
a different brad said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:24
Since someone has to do before the wingnuts swarm us, I’d like to say that wagonjack speaks for no one else here. I don’t know what to do about the problem of wingnuts, but I know violence would only make us as bad as they are.
Extremism is never a solution.
Lunatic Left » Blog Archive » THis Week in Fake Outrages said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:24
[…] Islamo-fascisim awareness week. […]
a different brad said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:25
Dear Bill Kristol,
How do you keep your keef powdery? Mine always ends up clumping.
Humor Me said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:27
I started working on the math, but I didn’t leave enough room in front of the first comma, and I erased a hole in the paper, then I forgot the conversion units for hash, which started life as a little keef, but I digress.
Uh, what?
Mo's Bike Shop said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:32
They stone me when I’m driving in my car.
Matt T. said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:33
Also, it is easy to debunk all this nonsense about being stoned to death. There has been no conclusive evidence that smoking pot can kill you…
I dunno. There’s been some times when I was afraid I’d snap my head in two from grinnin’ so hard. Feller I met in Auburn the past spring had a foot-and-a-half bong he packed, I mean PACKED, with chipped ice and loaded up with some of that cancer-curing weed. Son, son. Guy had two great big aquariums full of big ol’ fish like bass and crappie and whatnot, and I slept in the room with ‘em. Or tried to, anyway. Goddamn bass just won’t shut up, just yak yak yak.
Matt T. said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:34
How do you keep your keef powdery? Mine always ends up clumping.
So, wait. You have it long enough for it to clump up on you? I think I see your problem…
Ganesh Bengal Cat said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:37
Started hanging around with Ganesha and that crowd, and well..you know the story.
Wait. What? I never!
Jay B. said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:37
The petition will ask students and faculty to denounce “Islamo-fascism and the violence directed against women, gays, Christians, Jews and non-religious people.”
You couldn’t get a bigger disconnect if you decided to call Haiti from a rotary phone. The rightwing is now involved in a petition/jihad to protect women, gay, lesbian and atheist rights? Do they even agree with the premise of the statement? Has anyone asked?
Hey douchebags — the left has been on the case for years. Ask Amnesty about Iran, or the Human Rights Watch about forced genital mutilation, or anyone about Sharia and rape cases. Hell, they’re against torture too — but somehow that must be OK if you’re not an Islamofascist.
And while its nice to see y’all come around on the whole gay issue, wouldn’t it be more effective if, as newly-minted Friends of Dorothy, you used your crazy compassion on the rightwingers in this country who hate teh gayz too?
Christ. It’s like watching monkeys figuring out how to use hammers.
a different brad said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:42
There’s only so much one person can smoke in day, Matt. Or in a week, or two months, before there’s a whole new pile to deal with. I do have papers to write and classes to attend, too.
thelogos said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:43
I dunno, I saw that picture and thought, is that “Dennis” prior to being repressed?
Sporty said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:46
Legalize,
Here’s your definition:
Islamofascism is the nasty, icky, terroristically terrifying ickyness which threatens our very way of life itself. At all times. Everywhere. Making us sit always on the edge of our seats just waiting for that imminent attack!
Just so you know, Communislamofascism is the same way, but with commies. And Feminicommunislamofascism has commies and feminazis. Then there are your standard variations such as Mexicafeminicommunislamofascism, which has all those awful things plus reconquistadoras; Feminicommunifeminislamofascism which has extra bacon and play-dough and Sadlynoianfeminicommunislamofascism is what you guys practice here.
Hope that clears things up for you, you stoner!
Moonbootica, Graduate said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:53
these fuckheads drone on about ‘femininazis’ and suddenly they become champion of females rights
its appalling
sophie brown said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:56
“The rightwing is now involved in a petition/jihad to protect women, gay, lesbian and atheist rights? Do they even agree with the premise of the statement? ”
See, they only want to protect the rights of marginalized groups from Islamofascists, so they can take away those rights in a good old American way.
RubDMC said,
September 27, 2007 at 23:58
“watching monkeys figuring out how to use hammers…”
Dude! I can totally picture that.
annejumps said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:07
Hmmmm, I wonder what side of the political spectrum the pro-public-stoning Christian Dominionists are on…?
MzNicky said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:21
Thank you Jay B.
scarshapedstar said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:29
I see proportional fonts. Takedown!
Cinema as LGF Political Truth § Unqualified Offerings said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:36
[…] . So…is Charles Johnson of Rathergate and Little Green Fascists fame going to concede that he got suckered into promoting a fake foto courtesy of David Horowitz? . Nah, doing so would detract from […]
Jillian said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:38
Well……you could always encourage them to show their support here.
Confederate Yankee said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:40
Well, since you asked…
You’ve got Frontpage dead to rights here, IMHO, and LGF’s stunt of redirecting your link instead of just stating FP gave them bad info was silly. I’ll post on it this evening.
I am curious however, in getting a “show of hands” here: How many think that what Frontpage did here was ethically a “firing offense?” If you would, please provide details of why you feel the way you do: I may use your responses later in my post.
Thanks.
mikey said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:48
But I am giving ‘em a few points.
Abu al-Poopypants is a hilarious screen name…
mikey
Righteous Bubba said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:49
How many think that what Frontpage did here was ethically a “firing offense?” If you would, please provide details of why you feel the way you do: I may use your responses later in my post.
How’s that grill, Mr. Gotcha?
Snowwy said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:49
Feh,
CY, figure it out for yourself whether it was a “firing offense”. You’re SO big on declaring them at the Left, surely you have enough integrity to do the same when your co-religionists screw up.
Or perhaps not. Time will tell…and we will be watching.
mikey said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:55
For whatever it’s worth, Yankee, I see very little of, on either side, as a “firing offense”. If somebody makes a mistake in good faith, and acts to correct it in a timely fashion, no harm, no foul. If they intended to mislead, consequences should follow.
The problem arises when outside parties think they can dictate the terms of the discussion. I don’t think you have effective “proven” anything with regard to scott beauchamp. A non affirmative statement from “the army” without any report or officer’s signature and nothing from the people who published it. You can’t make a determination, because you are on the outside.
Also, I really think that because of Rathergate, Right Blogistan has gone way over the top with the whole “story/photo/report is a lie!!!” thing. There’s lots of info out there. People can find out the truth if they want. But if you always look like the boy who cried gotcha, it just gets tedious and impairs your credibility.
How’s that for civil discourse, huh?
mikey
Marita said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:55
How many think that what Frontpage did here was ethically a “firing offense?”
As a point of clarification, do you mean a “firing offense” by Horowitz’s ethical standards, or by the ethical standards of someone who actually has some?
t4toby said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:57
I have never had much problem with the clumping. And I don’t think you live in a climate more humid than Seattle (although in the summer, much of this country besides Seattle enjoys keef-clumping humidity).
It may be the screen size you are using. If it is too big or too small, maybe another element is adding to the clump factor? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think 130 strands per inch is about right.
And any way you look at it, different brad, we really must hang out and debate the various merits of Keef Klumpage some time.
InsaneInTheCheneyBrain said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:58
AAAUGH!!!! My scoopable kitty litter clump collection!
a different brad said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:58
Isn’t it up to Frontpage to determine for themselves how they want to balance jingoism and opportunism, CY?
I’d say the intern who found the image is probably in trouble, yes, but are you really going to focus on that aspect of the story?
That’s be like making blowjob-gate about whether Monica should have been fired for putting the Clinton presidency in trouble by putting his penis in her mouth.
Jay B. said,
September 28, 2007 at 0:59
Jillian has found a conservative petition worth a damn!
t4toby said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:00
Oh, and Matt T-
Are you speaking of the Auburn formerly known as Slaughter?
Jillian said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:03
Promote the petition far and wide! Encourage every conservative you know to sign it!
Marita said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:05
I’d say the intern who found the image is probably in trouble, yes, but are you really going to focus on that aspect of the story?
I actually doubt that. Horowitz has a history of being blatantly dishonest. If his past tactics are any indication, the use of ficticious “evidence” wouldn’t bother him - only the risk of getting caught out would.
If addressed, I fully expect Horowitz to attribute the error to the perils of having a “small staff” (not making that quote up, either).
Larry said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:09
“How come the only time they are concerned with gays’ and women’s rights is when those rights are being impugned in a country they want bomb?”
Same reason for all the crocodile tears over New York on 9/11 — you know, the toddlin’ town Middle America thinks of as Commie-Heimie-Faggy-Town? Pulling a 180 is fun when it means you’ll find a club to beat a Muslim’s head in with!
Humor Me said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:27
OK. I’m picturing a sort of Red Guards with giant flags, except they’re all Elly May Clampett, and Daisy Duke, and the flags are big confederate flags, and they’re all serious and marching and waving the flags in huge arcs…maybe some Charlie Daniels blaring from 1940’s style PA horns.
WELCOME CY!
I guess comments at SN! have finally arrived. An accepted source, a sounding board for social and media researchers, looking for the real metrics of the american political intellectual scene.
BREAKING!!
CY braves swampland of liberal delusion, patrons mostly use restrooms and eat with mouths closed. However strong odor of marijuana present, near mens room. Plan is to investigate and document when backup (Ace,VDH,Dr. Mike) arrives.
DEVELOPING!1
g said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:29
I second mikey - If somebody makes a mistake in good faith, and acts to correct it in a timely fashion, no harm, no foul.
But the problem with the photo is that someone has allowed it to be spread far and wide as part of the promo for their series of events. So it’s a little more difficult to recall, or to correct. The fact-checking and correcting should have been done prior to sending out the publicity materials, IMHO.
Notorious P.A.T. said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:37
The rightwing is now involved in a petition/jihad to protect women, gay, lesbian and atheist rights?
The right wing has always been at war with the forces of oppression.
John said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:42
Wait. That photo is Dutch?
See, that just goes to show how far the Islamofascist hordes have come in their jihad. They can flagrantly stone a young woman to death in Dutchland, now, and even take pictures and film while they do it.
Karl Steel said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:48
How many think that what Frontpage did here was ethically a “firing offense?”
What the hell does that sentence even mean?
Try it again without metaphors, grillboy.
Humor Me said,
September 28, 2007 at 1:50
John, I’m afraid that’s how it is, it just creeps across the globe like the red tide or locusts or something. Is it going to take a stoning in central park or epcot for this country to finally wake up? I pray not.
a different brad said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:26
Well, I figured the intern would be in trouble not for, in essence, making shit up, but for being lazy, and not checking where the image they got off Google came from. Dishonest, yes, actively seeking pie on face in a way even mouth breathers can comprehend, no.
a different brad said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:30
There’s not much humidity in my freezer, t4toby, so I dunno. My tumbler was professionally made for the purpose, so it’s the right thread count. I might be running it too long and contaminating it that way, but I just find in general that if you store keef it ends up turning into sugar cube-ish chunks. So I roll a beer bottle filled with hot water over it and turn it into hash.
Howie said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:30
Hey, good catch. I see, its not a real event, just an artists portrayal of a real event. It doesn’t have that truthiness, you liberals talk about.
Because they don’t really 16 year old kill women in Iran for adultry and they don’t hang your for dissent and hey don’t cane you for having a beer.
Wait a minute. They actually do all those things.
Here is the actual girl hanged at 16 if ya’ll care to look.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/189498.php
Doesn’t she look pretty hanging from that crane?
Marita said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:39
Well, I figured the intern would be in trouble not for, in essence, making shit up, but for being lazy, and not checking where the image they got off Google came from. Dishonest, yes, actively seeking pie on face in a way even mouth breathers can comprehend, no.
Well, see, that’s the thing about Horowitz. He’s so breathtakingly dishonest that he’ll publish entire volumes of lies, and when they’re picked apart, he’ll blame his shortage of factcheckers, quibble over irrelevant points, and then resort to accusing others of persecuting him. He basically just flings whatever shit he can at whatever target he’s going after, even when he knows it isn’t true, because he knows in some peoples’ minds some of it will stick. I’m not sure you realize how blatant he’s been with this kind of thing in the past.
Back to your comment though, here is Horowitz with pie on face.
zsa said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:44
CY,
It’s Horowitz’s magazine, so the whole “firing offense” issue is moot.
But it seems to me that FP made very specific claims about an incident that possibly never even took place. So yeah, this isn’t a case where they just googled up an image and mislabeled it. They may well have manufactured an event, and a heinous one at that
Even the modified page which has the image removed still refers to a stoning. So FP is still maintaining that they are specifically aware of a stoning in Iran. If you are at all curious about their integrity, you should be asking for details about this event.
When did this stoning take place? Where? Are there any witnesses? Is there any evidence? (perhaps, say, a photo or two?) Are there records from within Iran, or from international groups such as Amnesty International, in regard to this incident?
And you should also be drilling down on how exactly the mistake occurred in the first place:
Was this entire stoning story manufactured by the FP? Who located this photo? Who decided that this photo was a depiction of that event?
etc.
Just pretend that FP mag is an MSM outlet …
mikey said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:47
There’s not much humidity in my freezer, t4toby, so I dunno. My tumbler was professionally made for the purpose, so it’s the right thread count. I might be running it too long and contaminating it that way, but I just find in general that if you store keef it ends up turning into sugar cube-ish chunks. So I roll a beer bottle filled with hot water over it and turn it into hash.
Damn dood, it’s weed, not a full time job. I takes me some out of the bag, snip it into shreds with a pair of scissors, scoop a little into the pipe, have a puff or two and go do something else. I just was never one for ritual.
Oh. If it started looking like we were gonna get hit, I developed the habit of popping out the magazine, taking the top round and tossing it. Like it might not be live and get me killed. Still do that today. That’s my ritual. Reckon Remington loves me for it, eh?
Daddy he once told me son you be hard workin man
And momma she once told me son you do the best you can
But, then one day I met a man who came to me and said
Hard work good, and hard work fine but first take care of head
mikey
Jay B. said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:50
No, you asshole, it’s that you simply need that girl to be stoned/hanging from a crane/disembowled in order for your psychotic worldview to be validated. That the image that made you initially tumescent was actually a staged photo doesn’t mean that women aren’t treated like shit you fucking ignoramus. It means you were suckered in, yet again, by manipulative bullshit.
Of course, a better point would be to point out your type’s previous jihad against ol’ Scott Beauchamp as proof that we give out flowers and garlands in Iraq. So, to your mind, a Dutch filmmaker’s movie still was “fake but accurate”, but Beauchamp’s reporting was the greatest war crime in history because the army said it was fake, no matter how true it rings. Don’t you even see how insane that makes you?
Again, no one — NO ONE — is surprised that young women are treated terribly in the 3rd world, in fact, liberal organizations have been well aware of it for years (yes, you idiot, lefties opposed the Taliban before you even knew what it was). It’s an awful thing and I guess I should be happy that, for once, the right has decided that young women, gays, lesbians and atheists deserve protection — but somehow I don’t think you really give a shit about all that unless a Muslim does it.
Or maybe you held a vigil for Matt Sheppard back in the day to protest gay bashing. Surprise me, champ.
Marita said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:52
Good point Howie! That’s exactly what Gavin was claiming!
Just like this is clear proof that Israeli missiles were never fired on Lebanon!
In other news, an artist’s representation of Howie. Hey, just because it isn’t necessarily Howie in the picture doesn’t mean it doesn’t convey the truth.
g said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:54
Wait a minute. They actually do all those things.
No one’s disputing it Howie. The point was, someone didn’t fact-check his photo.
Kind of like this person:
Fake but accurate New Orleans
Although, Howie, I await your take on Dan Rather’s story about Bush being AWOL from TANG.
g said,
September 28, 2007 at 2:56
Oh, now will someone save me the trouble and find the “fake but accurate” picture of Baghdad that turned out to be Istanbul that was on some Republican congresscritter’s website?
Gavin M. said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:01
Oh, that was Howard Kaloogian of the Move America Forward Foundation (another organization invited to the White House, 9/18/07).
It’s getting spooky with those White-House-visit connections.
Actually, I ought to go into that post and fix the characters that got messed up during the move to the new server. (If it still has yen and Euro signs peppering it, I’m not finished yet.)
[Update — post restored.]
Snorghagen said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:08
Wait a minute - I thought you guys were state-certified neo-Maoist anarcho-syndicalist atheist anabaptist luddites. Oops.
Kathleen said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:10
I’m shedding a tear for how much “Howie” cares about teenage girls in Iran. Its..just…so…touching…
marc page said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:14
Howie (if you’re there)
I understand how upsetting the images are to you. I understand the outrage at unjust, draconian punishments for minor offenses. However, I am not sure what you propose that we, as citizens of the United States, should do about these practices in countries other than our own.
Is it enough to express outrage? and to accuse others of being less than properly outraged?
What action (if any) would you suggest ?
mikey said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:18
This should be easy. Expansion of hate crimes legislation to include sexual orientation was passed today as part of the military funding bill. Will these guys that are outraged, OUTRAGED I’m tellin ya, that Iran suppresses and murders homosexuals join us in calling for bush not to veto that bill?
Or will they be exposed as the racist war-mongers they have been up to this point?
I’d be delighted in having some diversity in the human rights defense. How would that possibly be party-dependent, right?
mikey
marc page said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:22
I hope I’m wrong, but I suspect that ‘Howie’ might see himself as the arbiter of which ‘humans’ will be afforded ‘rights’ — at least in his world.
Tom - Daai Tou Laam said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:25
Confederate Yankee said, @ September 28, 2007 at 0:40
I am curious however, in getting a “show of hands” here: How many think that what Frontpage did here was ethically a “firing offense?
I think Mr. Johnson should be forced to repay all money obtained from contributors and VC money from PajamasMedia.
And PajamasMedia should refund to the advertisers all money spent on ads placed on LGF.
(Is squeaky still part of FrumpyHouseCoatMedia or did they toss him overboard as a lead weight on a sinking project?)
Margalis said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:27
What CY meant was:
“Give me something I can use to make a case against Dan Rather and paint you as hypocrites.”
It couldn’t be more obvious and I’m amazed that some people here didn’t pick up on it. CY doesn’t give a rat’s ass that conservatives lie and if he posts on it at all (he hasn’t yet) it will be a wet-noodle slap that amounts to nothing.
marc page said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:27
Perhaps the only fair thing would be for Mr. Johnson (and Mr. Owens) to resign from ‘the Internet.’
a different brad said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:30
Making keef and hash isn’t a ritual, mikey, it’s producing an extra special treat.
Smoke a bit of this and tell me I’m putting too much effort into it.
Marita said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:44
It couldn’t be more obvious and I’m amazed that some people here didn’t pick up on it.
I’m not sure anyone actually thought CY was here to promulgate truth, justice and the American Way, Margalis. Of course he’d love us to give him ammo. That’s no reason to leave his comment unresnarked-upon.
mikey said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:46
To borrow a phrase.
Meh.
I’ve smoked, snorted, shot, drank and swallowed just about everything they’ve invented. And don’t get me wrong, I have enjoyed them all. But maybe I’m just not a good judge of subtle differences. China white is better than brown tar. Good scotch or tequila is better than toilet water. Biker crank can be hard to get into your system, but it tends to take care of your bizness, while 90% meth dissolved in everclear is a weapon of mass destruction my nation does love to possess. Pot? Pot is pot. Sorry…
mikey
mikey
VictorLaszlo said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:48
Ha-ha, they think ‘Islamofascism’ is a word.
[points and laughs]
mikey said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:53
I’m not sure anyone actually thought CY was here to promulgate truth, justice and the American Way, Margalis. Of course he’d love us to give him ammo. That’s no reason to leave his comment unresnarked-upon.
Truth be told? I’m so tired of the shouting and the hatred and the us/them bullshit while the world goes up in flames, I welcomed the rational comment by CY. At some point we’re going to have to live together.
Here’s a question. How does it do us any good to force the gap wider, and encourage nothing but hatred and violence? If we can’t figure out how to stand for dialog, where do we get off saying war is not the answer?
Comes down to just about two options. We talk it out, or we shoot it out.
I’m for talking. CY seems at least willing to apply the same values to both sides. I’m for that. Maybe he isn’t ready to wave the white flag, but theres a basis for dialog. What’s wrong with you people? And what is it you really want? Somebody’s got to reach out, or we just need to dig holes and place our mortars. This is crazy….
mikey
RubDMC said,
September 28, 2007 at 3:55
All of this pot talk…
You kids today at all spoiled, with your chronic and Purple Urkle and White Widow and hydroponic this and British Columbian that.
Why, in my day, a bulky ounce of genuine dark sticky Jamaican buds was thirty-five dollars, and you could buy Thai Sticks for $15. When times got tough, we smoked plain ol’ Mexican weed for $15 and ounce, and the only question we ever asked about hash was, “Afghani or Lebanese?”
That’s all we had (slaps table) and we liked it!
Now, somebody go fetch me my roach clip…
a different brad said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:00
Pot is like wine, mikey, as much to be savored as intoxicated by.
And you have to recognize the difference between chronic and hash, come on.
mikey said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:04
And you have to recognize the difference between chronic and hash, come on.
Oh hell yeah. One gives you a buzz, while the other? Um, the other gives you a buzz.
Deal me another hand….
mikey
RandomObserver said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:07
(Ha ha I posted with the wrong user name - my elaborate house of cards crumbles even further)
He used “firing offense” very purposely. He didn’t ask “what do you think about this?” or “what should the punishment be?”, he is specifically asking it in a way that allows him to tie it to Dan Rather. You’ll say it’s a “firing offense” and then he’ll write a blog post about how Dan Rather deserved to be fired for doing the same thing.
Sucker.
Come on now, I say this as someone with a great deal of respect for you. It’s obvious he’s just trolling for comments that he can use against you. Asking for a show of hands and detailed opinions on the nonsensical “firing offense” that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Please.
Injecting conservative talking points irrelevant to the discussion at hand is a dead giveaway,
J— said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:19
Speaking of Move America Forward, their in-house blogger has a real monarchist streak.
mikey said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:19
Sorry, that’s crazy.
Dialog doesn’t start where dialog ends.
What’s the alternative, smartypants?
You wanna start drawing up target lists?
What’s your plan for trying to solve this?
mikey
Howie said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:21
No, I was interested in the source of the image. I’ve seen it a lot. Glad to know where it came from. Didn’t curse or call anyone names or post porn images. I know I’m supposed to do that.
I dunno what to do. I feel it is similar to the cold war. You just have to keep pointing out the injustice of it. Slowly but surely the world gets better. If not ya still have to try.
I’m not looking for war with Iran. I’m hoping for better.
“the left opposed the taliban before you knew what it was”
Sorry, but I figured that they would be a problem the day they blew the buddahs. (before that even, just confirms) They had been doing all kinds of arrogant stuff for months prior. You could just kinda see it coming. No?
r€nato said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:23
Islamo-fascism? Is that anything like Ameri-fascism?
Marita said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:31
What’s the alternative, smartypants?
People, people! Come on! Fight the real enemy!
Howie said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:35
Personally I prefer B Scheiffer(sp) to Rather. Rather, I’m sure, wanted it to be true, but really CBS failed him. He took the fall. As far as this image goes. I dunno I cant read minds. I doubt there is a nefarious attempt to mislead. It’s a popular image. I think I’ve used it before. Now that I know the source, I’ll be sure to keep that in mind should I get the desire to use it again.
Lesley said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:37
I’m shedding a tear for how much “Howie” cares about teenage girls in Iran. Its..just…so…touching…
it’s touching alright. We all know America walks the high road when it comes to girls and women.
wait, my wrong! “Support the troops!”
(Danged if I can find it right now, but I distinctly recall a recent article in the NYTimes about American female soldiers becoming dehydrated and developing bladder problems because they are terrified to get up use the latrines to pee and grab a glass of water at night. They fear being raped by fellow soldiers. If anyone knows what I’m talking about and has the link, I’d be grateful).
Jillian said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:41
It’s worse than just bladder infections, Lesley.
They’re dying.
DrBB said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:43
Well, Innocent Bystander, in the case of David Horowitz, he was one of those godless commies. It gives him some sort of strange credibility that he’s “seen the other side”.
The stalinist mindset remains constant, but at some point the polarity suddenly flips. Happens to a lot of fanatics. The ideological difference is great but the ethical difference is negligible.
J— said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:45
Lesley: There’s this 3/7/07 article by Helen Benedict, but it’s from Salon and not the New York Times.
RandomObserver said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:48
“What’s your plan for trying to solve this?”
Engaging people who are clearly trying to bait and trap you isn’t a dialogue and isn’t solving anything.
I have no problem speaking with people of opposite beliefs if they speak in good faith. CY does not.
Lesley said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:49
Thanks J &J.
mikey said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:52
No. You’re right. I get it now.
Trust NO ONE.
Talk to NO ONE.
They’re all trying to get the better of the negotiations. So what ya do, see, is you take the VERY first thing they say as a reason to not engage them at all.
Then you escalate the argument. And at some point somebody does something stupid.
Whatever. Kill ‘em all. God’ll know his own.*
*That’s the abagenisis crusade or something like that. Jillian told me about it. It was a crusade where christians slaughtered christians. If you can’t even see the point, take the lives.
Whatever….
mikey
Howie said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:55
Jillian’s right. A lady in line to be a pilot on Marine 1 was shot down over Iraq.
Of course, that’s terrible if women are abuse or disrespected while in Iraq. But if and when that happens we need to prosecute those who do it. I imagine women would rather have the right to serve and take a little risk than be treated as unable to serve because of what might happen. Hell she might not be raped and might end up flying the president or the next president around.
In Iran the woman who is raped gets prosecuted. Her testimony means nothing. She needs three men to testify it was indeed a rape. No DNA evidence no nothing will help. She is tried before a religious panel of men. Not a jury of her peers.
Lesly’s attempt to equate the rights of western women with those suffering under Sharia law sucks air.
Pinko Punko said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:55
It doesn’t matter if CY is in good faith or not, he’s gonna have to quote “Pinko Punko” either way, it is not like it is gonna give him leverage anywhere.
Most likely, he’ll try to arrange some sort of hypocrisy argument about some total choad like CBS or whomever that supposedly faked something else or blah blah. What I will say is this: this is 100% up Horowitz’s alley (see how he edited Berube in all their various interactions) and this is 100% up Chazmo’s alley who redirects his mom if she asks him nicely to wear pants around the house.
Jillian said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:57
There’s an “argumentum ad Punko” fallacy? Who knew?
marc page said,
September 28, 2007 at 4:58
Howie
By all means, keep pointing your finger at the (fill-in-the blank). But. I would appreciate it if you would begin to recognize that your fellow citizens may not agree with you about the tax-rates and how those taxes should be spent, but most of us do share your horror at (forgive the cliche) “man’s inhumanity to man.”
Howie said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:00
Lesly’s, do your own google searches from now on. Heck even I can work google
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0DE1DA133CF935A15751C0A9629C8B63
Howie said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:01
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0DE1DA133CF935A15751C0A9629C8B63
Jillian said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:03
Lesley doesn’t have to do her own Google searches. We’re all a bunch of evil, atheistic, collectivist Muslamonazi Communists around here - we share everything. Apparently, even hash recipes. And spouses. Or whatever.
marc page said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:05
Howie,
If you can ‘Google,’ you can think. Are you sure you want to go with the thought that being raped by your fellow soldiers is assuming “a little risk’”? Doesn’t that strike you as something to be ‘outraged’ about ?
Ask yourself this: what if it were male soldiers at risk of being raped ?
Howie said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:11
Menu Assisted Resurce Control
Who was I pointing a finger at besides the religious rulers or Iran?
rrrrrr! Sorry try again.
Yeah I know. My state has Democratic control of the Governor, House and Senate.
Taxes as high as ever been. Highest gas price in the nation. Groceries are taxed. Governor wanted to tax every business out foofhe state for his 12 billion universal healthcare. He already spends 6 bil for health care for illegal aliens. He got zero votes. zero. Daley saved us from that one. State in debt while all states next door have surplus.
Failed to pass utility regulation bill. My parents bill doubled but my bill on the co-op went up .0079 percent per kwhr. 100% vs .0079 percent
I could go on.
Democrats are for the little guy? Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.
Howie said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:12
I said I was against rape you retard.
Howie said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:14
Night all
marc page said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:16
A hasty retreat, Howie? The only rational decision you’ve made this year, I’m willing to bet.
Lesley said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:18
Howie said,September 28, 2007 at 4:55
Jillian’s right. A lady in line to be a pilot on Marine 1 was shot down over Iraq.
If you’re responding to Jillian’s response to me re the article on women in the military, see the Salon article she links to. It’s not about being shot down, it’s the fear of being sexually assaulted by their male counterparts.
RandomObserver said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:22
I don’t get you. CY is not some random newbie poster here that may be conservative but also a basically honest, decent person. CY is CY with all the history that comes with that. It has nothing to do with NO ONE it has to do specifically with CY.
He participates in a site that pretends to a comprehensive media watchdog but amazingly has yet to discover a single error in all of published and recorded media that would impugn conservatives. (From my inspection, maybe they have one or two hidden in there someplace but probably not) It’s one thing to say that CY enjoys exposing liberal errors and Sadly, No! enjoys exposing conservative ones, that is their perogatives, but S,N does not put on the airs of a comprehensive source and misrepresent itself as an impartial crusader for truth on all fronts.
What CY does is fundamentally dishonest and shameless. Why would you trust him?
Lesley said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:23
[Howie]
I imagine women would rather have the right to serve and take a little risk than be treated as unable to serve because of what might happen.
A “little risk” …right.
We’ve come a long way, baby.
marc page said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:24
But, Lesley, let’s remember that Howie did go way out on a limb there when he told us he was “against rape.”
So, what do you think, mikey? Are you up for trying to have a bit of dialogue with someone like Howie? Or would the result be too predictable?
RandomObserver said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:31
Men in the army can’t even take the risk of a gay man seeing their penis; they need special laws to prevent that from happening lest their poor feelings get hurt or something…
Lesley said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:36
whoa, and this… In Iran the woman who is raped gets prosecuted. Her testimony means nothing. She needs three men to testify it was indeed a rape. No DNA evidence no nothing will help. She is tried before a religious panel of men. Not a jury of her peers.
This is true, but you think victims of sexual abuse in North America necessarily get justice, you’re out of touch with reality.
Dick Cheney said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:41
So many words spilled, when it is all so clear. Bad people must be bombed.
And who gets to decide who the bad ones are? I do! I’ve got the secret info down here in mah bunker, so you all can just go fuck yourselves.
Gary Ruppert said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:44
The fact is, Dick Cheney is correct. What are you going to do about it? We here in the heartland have things under control and have the spirit of American inside us. You coastal eleitsists have nothing but contempt for tradtional values, with your promition of gay and lesbian and Islam over the godly. You are pathetic.
g said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:48
I call fake Gary! He’s been using the word “heartland” way too much lately. He needs to be taken oin and interrogated.
Lesley said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:48
Lesly’s attempt to equate the rights of western women with those suffering under Sharia law sucks air.
um, I never did this. I merely pointed out that as long as women and girls are being sexually assaulted and tortured (and in at least one case - there are probably others - murdered to cover up the crime) by US troops as well as civilians over here, we can’t claim that our society is morally superior. I suppose one could argue that a brutal rape is less painful than a stoning, but you know…
Steve J. said,
September 28, 2007 at 6:13
Another “fake but true” moment brought to you by Crazy Davey Horowitz.
RubDMC said,
September 28, 2007 at 6:15
“one could argue that a brutal rape is less painful than a stoning…”
Killed my buzz. Damn fucking reality…
Ed Marshall said,
September 28, 2007 at 6:33
I’m fairly certain the origin of term “islamo-fascism” belongs to the Spartacus League back from when they were holding up banners praising the glorious red army in Afghanistan and denouncing the Cliffites for their refusal to see the clear line drawn between the future of socialism and backwardness and religious obscurantism.
I think Horowitz left his tendency too soon to have brought the term over, maybe Hitchen’s was the ideological conveyer.
Innocent Bystander said,
September 28, 2007 at 6:41
“In Iran the woman who is raped gets prosecuted. Her testimony means nothing. She needs three men to testify it was indeed a rape. No DNA evidence no nothing will help. She is tried before a religious panel of men. Not a jury of her peers.
Lesly’s attempt to equate the rights of western women with those suffering under Sharia law sucks air.”
Yeah, we’re all very familiar with Sharia law and how horrible it is. Where we differ is in the solution. You guys seem to think bombing them back to the stone age, making glass parking lots, etc will fix everything. You don’t get that our actions in the ME have empowered the fundie radicals and marginalized the moderates. You never learned the lessons of Viet Nam. As long as we were in Nam, Mao, et al, were empowered to use our presence to rally their people against us and validate their domestic policies. After we got out, those justifications crumbled and the totalitarianism of Mao’s regime quickly came to end, as the region caught that good old capitalist religion. Our unwanted presence in Iraq is empowering the radical clerics/ayatollahs and muting the pro-Western majority populations. Still, you guys want to continue this stupid war and even expand it, destroying the secular, moderate, social class and assuring a vacuum that will be filled by the radical religious reactionary leadership.
That’s why we really don’t believe your premise of concern about Sharia law. You guys are helping to enable and spread it by supporting our illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq. But you and CY will never get that sought after invite to the White House if you face up to that reality……..
g said,
September 28, 2007 at 7:15
You guys seem to think bombing them back to the stone age, making glass parking lots, etc will fix everything.
Excuse me. Where the fuck did you get the idea that people on this site wanted to bomb people in Iran, or, in fact ANYWHERE?????
You never learned the lessons of Viet Nam.
The fact that you even have the fucking balls to say this on a site where mikey posts speaks volumes. You are either fucking ignorant as DIRT or else you are the most clueless asshole the world has known.
You guys are helping to enable and spread it [Sharia law] by supporting our illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq.
I can only say, with all charity - are you hopelessly mistaken? Lost your way? Where the fuck did you get the idea that the people here support the occupation of Iraq? Or do you have some peculiar interesting, stenagely formatted theory that makes you think Black = White????
Drummer Hoff said,
September 28, 2007 at 8:02
The poor innocent bystanders.
Lesley said,
September 28, 2007 at 8:20
g, i’m pretty sure innocent bystander’s response was directed at visiting wingnut “Howie”, not at sadlynosians.
Pinko Punko said,
September 28, 2007 at 8:46
I don’t trust CY. I’ll just play that guy on TV. If he wants to make himself look like a chump, I’ll just read d about it at LGM or Gavmo here. Either way it is a win win. I play his game, he tries his fool’s mate gambit, I’m not even playing chess. I win.
RobW said,
September 28, 2007 at 9:16
Wait a minute - I thought you guys were state-certified neo-Maoist anarcho-syndicalist atheist anabaptist luddites. Oops.
I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Somebody’s got to reach out, or we just need to dig holes and place our mortars.
Say, is this hole deep enough? Oh, forget it; if you have to ask, the answer’s no.
fred said,
September 28, 2007 at 9:37
But I loved g’s response anyway.
There are countries in the Middle East applying even stricter interpretation of Sharia law than is applied in Iran. Google it, Howie: women in Saudi Arabia; gays in Egypt.
But these are America’s friends, so there’s no talk of bombing them.
Percyprune said,
September 28, 2007 at 10:38
Don’t forget Pakistan, which is also a military dictatorship that has nukes!
Jesus Harold Christ on a Fucking Rubber Crutch said,
September 28, 2007 at 13:21
Nobody ever notices me.
BushYouth said,
September 28, 2007 at 13:39
This whole post is fake. Cal Thomas said that no right wing nut jobs are allowed to speak at Universities in the U.S. Horowitz just made all this shit up.
BushYouth said,
September 28, 2007 at 13:46
“Hell she might not be raped”
I’d like to put that on a bumper sticker.
Libby Spencer said,
September 28, 2007 at 14:02
Priceless. Thanks so much Gavin. The posts on this one just write themselves…
God Damit said,
September 28, 2007 at 14:48
Zombie Jesus: you could at least call your mother on her birthday!
Mark said,
September 28, 2007 at 14:55
Can’t find that clip on the Internet,