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	<description>Poise! Poise!</description>
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		<title>By: Adult online personals site</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-260684</link>
		<dc:creator>Adult online personals site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; World largest dating portal...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Jan in the pan</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-246078</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan in the pan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your typical Maoist bigoted podicentric paradigm denials aside, when I wiggle my eyebrows while puffing out my cheeks it&#039;s fucking dancing, alright?

Which I&#039;ll do. Primarily on (but not strictly limited to) your graves. As my pan-carrying assistant&#039;s schedule allows.

And how we will laugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your typical Maoist bigoted podicentric paradigm denials aside, when I wiggle my eyebrows while puffing out my cheeks it&#8217;s fucking dancing, alright?</p>
<p>Which I&#8217;ll do. Primarily on (but not strictly limited to) your graves. As my pan-carrying assistant&#8217;s schedule allows.</p>
<p>And how we will laugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; More transhumanism funnies</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-246015</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; More transhumanism funnies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: I think this comment says it all: Bob Kelley [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tigrismus</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245942</link>
		<dc:creator>tigrismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah?  You and what body, jar-brain?</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, I thought that those on the left would be a little more future-oriented. So  long, bozos, we&#039;ll dance on your graves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, I thought that those on the left would be a little more future-oriented. So  long, bozos, we&#8217;ll dance on your graves!</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245612</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or that future humans will humor their bizarre fetish and continue to keep the computers plugged in.&lt;/i&gt;

Hey, whatcha got there?

I dunno. Found it in the basement.

Looks kinda big for a food replicator. Open it up.

well, let&#039;s see what we got he....&lt;b&gt;OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!! IT&#039;S FULL OF HEADS!!! &lt;/B&gt;

Dude, I&#039;m gonna be sick...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or that future humans will humor their bizarre fetish and continue to keep the computers plugged in.</i></p>
<p>Hey, whatcha got there?</p>
<p>I dunno. Found it in the basement.</p>
<p>Looks kinda big for a food replicator. Open it up.</p>
<p>well, let&#8217;s see what we got he&#8230;.<b>OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!! IT&#8217;S FULL OF HEADS!!! </b></p>
<p>Dude, I&#8217;m gonna be sick&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dadanarchist</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245587</link>
		<dc:creator>dadanarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jebus, they have to assume that the universe will last for ever for this even to be possible.

Or that future humans will humor their bizarre fetish and continue to keep the computers plugged in.

Unless Hanson + Glenn plan to stage a &quot;Terminator&quot;-style frozen head coup.

This explains their obsession with the muslimoid menace - they are terrified of their own deaths in a way that has completely short-circuited their reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jebus, they have to assume that the universe will last for ever for this even to be possible.</p>
<p>Or that future humans will humor their bizarre fetish and continue to keep the computers plugged in.</p>
<p>Unless Hanson + Glenn plan to stage a &#8220;Terminator&#8221;-style frozen head coup.</p>
<p>This explains their obsession with the muslimoid menace &#8211; they are terrified of their own deaths in a way that has completely short-circuited their reason.</p>
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		<title>By: mds</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245574</link>
		<dc:creator>mds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To carry on with bjacque&#039;s observations about the likelihood of libertarian generosity, I will refer back to zsa:

&lt;i&gt;What possible reason is there for future people to recreate the brains of dead people?[...]  He won’t have any useful skills. Most of his ideas are quaint and most of his predictions will be known to be just plain wrong. Why keep a simulation of him running around the clock?&lt;/i&gt;

See, that&#039;s what makes it so beautiful that all these schmibertarians are so into this: the extreme unlikelihood that they would awaken into a future run by schmibertarians, who wouldn&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about them.  No, they&#039;d only be revived if the future were run by Golden Rule advocates, or even &lt;i&gt;socialists&lt;/i&gt;.  Imagine Glenn Reynolds being resurrected into such a world... Bua-HA-ha-ha-haaaaah!

&lt;i&gt;There’s nothing wrong with trying to beat the reaper, but the frozen head thing smacks of desperation, and, after about 30 years, the idea doesn’t seem to have evolved much.&lt;/i&gt;

This is actually one of the points that the Cryonics Institute makes against their competition: go with freezing the whole body, because it&#039;s much likelier that your body will be revivifiable with future technology than that you&#039;ll be re-embodied from your brain in a jar.

I&#039;ll also note that are a few of us who think positively about a post-mortal future, even though we&#039;re liberals.  Ken McLeod also seems quite happy with the notion of extreme longevity even as he mocks the Rapture of the Nerds (though he&#039;s currently an anarcho-somethingian, not a US-style liberal).  Of course, &quot;Just stop it and let me die whenever I want to die, you twisted freaks&quot; would be a perfectly acceptable choice in &lt;i&gt;our&lt;/i&gt; future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To carry on with bjacque&#8217;s observations about the likelihood of libertarian generosity, I will refer back to zsa:</p>
<p><i>What possible reason is there for future people to recreate the brains of dead people?[...]  He won’t have any useful skills. Most of his ideas are quaint and most of his predictions will be known to be just plain wrong. Why keep a simulation of him running around the clock?</i></p>
<p>See, that&#8217;s what makes it so beautiful that all these schmibertarians are so into this: the extreme unlikelihood that they would awaken into a future run by schmibertarians, who wouldn&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass about them.  No, they&#8217;d only be revived if the future were run by Golden Rule advocates, or even <i>socialists</i>.  Imagine Glenn Reynolds being resurrected into such a world&#8230; Bua-HA-ha-ha-haaaaah!</p>
<p><i>There’s nothing wrong with trying to beat the reaper, but the frozen head thing smacks of desperation, and, after about 30 years, the idea doesn’t seem to have evolved much.</i></p>
<p>This is actually one of the points that the Cryonics Institute makes against their competition: go with freezing the whole body, because it&#8217;s much likelier that your body will be revivifiable with future technology than that you&#8217;ll be re-embodied from your brain in a jar.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also note that are a few of us who think positively about a post-mortal future, even though we&#8217;re liberals.  Ken McLeod also seems quite happy with the notion of extreme longevity even as he mocks the Rapture of the Nerds (though he&#8217;s currently an anarcho-somethingian, not a US-style liberal).  Of course, &#8220;Just stop it and let me die whenever I want to die, you twisted freaks&#8221; would be a perfectly acceptable choice in <i>our</i> future.</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245571</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the future, female genitalia actually &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; be constructed of bacon and Play-Doh.

So there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the future, female genitalia actually <i>will</i> be constructed of bacon and Play-Doh.</p>
<p>So there!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Nilsen</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245536</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Nilsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidbrin.com/othersfbooks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Brin&#039;s &quot;Kiln People&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, which has much more fun with uploadable personalities than the trite and marginally-informed musings of Prof. Hanson.

(Seanly - the Uplift series was great, too!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention <a href="http://davidbrin.com/othersfbooks.html" rel="nofollow">David Brin&#8217;s &#8220;Kiln People&#8221;</a>, which has much more fun with uploadable personalities than the trite and marginally-informed musings of Prof. Hanson.</p>
<p>(Seanly &#8211; the Uplift series was great, too!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Someone</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245522</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for the ultimate in trippy, far-future redefinitions of humanity, I recommend John C. Wright&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Golden Age&lt;/i&gt; trilogy (&lt;i&gt;The Golden Age&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;The Phoenix Exultant&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;The Golden Transcendence&lt;/i&gt;).  it&#039;s an interesting portrayal of the evolution of humanity (and post-humanity) in a world where people are downloadable, simulatable, backup-able.  But he also manages to put together a pretty good story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for the ultimate in trippy, far-future redefinitions of humanity, I recommend John C. Wright&#8217;s <i>The Golden Age</i> trilogy (<i>The Golden Age</i>, <i>The Phoenix Exultant</i> and <i>The Golden Transcendence</i>).  it&#8217;s an interesting portrayal of the evolution of humanity (and post-humanity) in a world where people are downloadable, simulatable, backup-able.  But he also manages to put together a pretty good story.</p>
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		<title>By: Gentlewoman</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245505</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentlewoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s dangerous to go alone! Take this*!&quot;

*This = small yellow kitten. Named &lt;i&gt;Ubik&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s dangerous to go alone! Take this*!&#8221;</p>
<p>*This = small yellow kitten. Named <i>Ubik</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245495</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course there&#039;s a reason to bring &#039;em back - you don&#039;t think we&#039;ll ever need a cautionary museum of past stupidity? In fact, we could just restore their blogs in a sandboxed corner of the &#039;net, along with a selection of other figures in historical stupidity. Actually, it&#039;s not a museum. It&#039;s a &lt;em&gt;zoo&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course there&#8217;s a reason to bring &#8216;em back &#8211; you don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll ever need a cautionary museum of past stupidity? In fact, we could just restore their blogs in a sandboxed corner of the &#8216;net, along with a selection of other figures in historical stupidity. Actually, it&#8217;s not a museum. It&#8217;s a <em>zoo</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Linnaeus</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245488</link>
		<dc:creator>Linnaeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank Herbert and his son Brian covered this shit already.  You&#039;d think guys like this would have read all of that:  there&#039;s a reason why there was a Butlerian Jihad in the Dune universe and why there was a prohibition against &quot;thinking machines.&quot;

My guess, though, is that they think &lt;i&gt;they&#039;ll&lt;/i&gt; be the cymek Titans before whom all will flee.  Until Omnius comes along...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank Herbert and his son Brian covered this shit already.  You&#8217;d think guys like this would have read all of that:  there&#8217;s a reason why there was a Butlerian Jihad in the Dune universe and why there was a prohibition against &#8220;thinking machines.&#8221;</p>
<p>My guess, though, is that they think <i>they&#8217;ll</i> be the cymek Titans before whom all will flee.  Until Omnius comes along&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245486</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty good nerdometer, that article is -- satisfying one&#039;s corporeal desires (laying alongside a woman with a loving smile on her face; embracing a child who has just done something adorable) just doesn&#039;t come up in the equation for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty good nerdometer, that article is &#8212; satisfying one&#8217;s corporeal desires (laying alongside a woman with a loving smile on her face; embracing a child who has just done something adorable) just doesn&#8217;t come up in the equation for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis-Sebastien Mercier</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245485</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis-Sebastien Mercier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Oh, and we let Dick Cheney&#039;s head think it&#039;s still running the US.

- L-S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Oh, and we let Dick Cheney&#8217;s head think it&#8217;s still running the US.</p>
<p>- L-S</p>
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		<title>By: Louis-Sebastien Mercier</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245484</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis-Sebastien Mercier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikey,

I cant&#039; believe you found that pelvis! I was the time-traveler who was porking that hadrosaur when my hip-holster broke and I accidentally shot the poor thing. It was the last one, too. Talk about shooting your wad too soon! Sheesh, clumsy me. 

Anyway, just stopped by to say all of Robin&#039;s predictions came true.

- Louis-Sebastien</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikey,</p>
<p>I cant&#8217; believe you found that pelvis! I was the time-traveler who was porking that hadrosaur when my hip-holster broke and I accidentally shot the poor thing. It was the last one, too. Talk about shooting your wad too soon! Sheesh, clumsy me. </p>
<p>Anyway, just stopped by to say all of Robin&#8217;s predictions came true.</p>
<p>- Louis-Sebastien</p>
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		<title>By: Pere Ubu</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245483</link>
		<dc:creator>Pere Ubu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bundling? Meaning…

Oh, you know. In addition to your thoughts, memories, the very essence of you, they’ll be some additional components to help us better serve your needs, and to offset the cost.&lt;/i&gt;

Given that it&#039;d cost a pretty penny to actually DO brain-downloading, why do I get the impression this would be the reality to the Libertarian&#039;s flighty fantasies?

And who goes first with an untested technology? I can&#039;t help but think of the Monument to the Eighty from Alastair Reynolds&#039; books, for the 80 volunteers whose downloads DIDN&#039;T work right. Sheesh, these guys won&#039;t even go risk their asses in Iraq, you think they&#039;re going to risk their brains?

And I just love the intellectual disconnect between the speculations (not on this particular list, though) about massive abundance through high technology coupled with the ideological need to cling to free-market capitalism based on scarcity. &quot;We&#039;d have everything we need - AND you&#039;ll still have to compete in a Darwinian fight for survival! Whee!&quot;

The Ken McLeod series thelogos was talking about (I assume) is the New Mars series, of which only &lt;i&gt;The Cassini Division&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;ve read. Good book though. A HELL of a lot better than the protracted ideo-slog that Heinlein&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Moon Is A Harsh Mistress&lt;/i&gt; turned out to be, and the Libertarian characters are a lot more human and interesting. (No hippo-schtupping, but frankly, I wouldn&#039;t put it past MacLeod. He&#039;s got an unusual sense of humor...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bundling? Meaning…</p>
<p>Oh, you know. In addition to your thoughts, memories, the very essence of you, they’ll be some additional components to help us better serve your needs, and to offset the cost.</i></p>
<p>Given that it&#8217;d cost a pretty penny to actually DO brain-downloading, why do I get the impression this would be the reality to the Libertarian&#8217;s flighty fantasies?</p>
<p>And who goes first with an untested technology? I can&#8217;t help but think of the Monument to the Eighty from Alastair Reynolds&#8217; books, for the 80 volunteers whose downloads DIDN&#8217;T work right. Sheesh, these guys won&#8217;t even go risk their asses in Iraq, you think they&#8217;re going to risk their brains?</p>
<p>And I just love the intellectual disconnect between the speculations (not on this particular list, though) about massive abundance through high technology coupled with the ideological need to cling to free-market capitalism based on scarcity. &#8220;We&#8217;d have everything we need &#8211; AND you&#8217;ll still have to compete in a Darwinian fight for survival! Whee!&#8221;</p>
<p>The Ken McLeod series thelogos was talking about (I assume) is the New Mars series, of which only <i>The Cassini Division</i> I&#8217;ve read. Good book though. A HELL of a lot better than the protracted ideo-slog that Heinlein&#8217;s <i>Moon Is A Harsh Mistress</i> turned out to be, and the Libertarian characters are a lot more human and interesting. (No hippo-schtupping, but frankly, I wouldn&#8217;t put it past MacLeod. He&#8217;s got an unusual sense of humor&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: owlbear1</title>
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		<dc:creator>owlbear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GO GO HEECHEE Food Factories!</description>
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		<title>By: bjacques</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6662.html#comment-245451</link>
		<dc:creator>bjacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Timescape but missed the beginning so I didn&#039;t know what it was called. Diverting, but had a &quot;TV movie&quot; feel that I found off-putting. Maybe it was the writing. I liked it OK. I&#039;lll look for Vintage Season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Timescape but missed the beginning so I didn&#8217;t know what it was called. Diverting, but had a &#8220;TV movie&#8221; feel that I found off-putting. Maybe it was the writing. I liked it OK. I&#8217;lll look for Vintage Season.</p>
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