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		<title>By: Female Orgasm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Female Orgasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice place. this link will brighten up some conversations. there is this site that i think will contradict and agree with the discussion. i know this site where they talks all about female orgasms. the site is http://www.femaleorgasmrevealed.com/femaleorgasm/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice place. this link will brighten up some conversations. there is this site that i think will contradict and agree with the discussion. i know this site where they talks all about female orgasms. the site is <a href="http://www.femaleorgasmrevealed.com/femaleorgasm/" rel="nofollow">http://www.femaleorgasmrevealed.com/femaleorgasm/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Private Jets WebLog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Free Porn Videos - young model movies and more - Daily Updates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Private Jets WebLog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Free Porn Videos - young model movies and more - Daily Updates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sadly, No! » The sad degeneration of the American mind &#8230; is not enough to get anyone excited, anymore than if you were to &#8230; On gameday, when Big Famous Sports Team™ is hosting the Bitter &#8230; Ends the post with “You can blame television and our dumbass &#8230; http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6376.html [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sadly, No! » The sad degeneration of the American mind &#8230; is not enough to get anyone excited, anymore than if you were to &#8230; On gameday, when Big Famous Sports Team™ is hosting the Bitter &#8230; Ends the post with “You can blame television and our dumbass &#8230; <a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6376.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6376.html</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Rove II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Rove II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. 

The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart&#039;s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.&quot;

- H.L. Mencken, Baltimore Sun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. </p>
<p>The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart&#8217;s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.&#8221;</p>
<p>- H.L. Mencken, Baltimore Sun</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, I’m also defending the word because it supports my own theory that “Most People” (most American voters) have gradually allowed themselves to be led to perceive Real Americans as dumber, meaner, shallower, and far more politically regressive than can be justified by statistics.&lt;/i&gt;

Hmm. Good point Anne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of course, I’m also defending the word because it supports my own theory that “Most People” (most American voters) have gradually allowed themselves to be led to perceive Real Americans as dumber, meaner, shallower, and far more politically regressive than can be justified by statistics.</i></p>
<p>Hmm. Good point Anne.</p>
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		<title>By: Gore: Saving the Planet with Reagan and Shakespeare &#171; ACCUMULATING PERIPHERALS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gore: Saving the Planet with Reagan and Shakespeare &#171; ACCUMULATING PERIPHERALS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2: And now &#8220;Sadly, No!&#8221; is on the same meme! Ends the post with &#8220;You can blame television and our dumbass elite press [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2: And now &#8220;Sadly, No!&#8221; is on the same meme! Ends the post with &#8220;You can blame television and our dumbass elite press [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6376.html#comment-224918</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The whole theory of ‘memes’, as I understand it, is basically that ‘ideas’ are like animals which are competing for survival, and that their environment is the brains of a people. The people are assumed to be passive receptacles for these competing ideas, and one idea wins only on the basis of whether it is more ‘adapted’ than another one to our biology. So if you are using the term ‘meme’ you are almost assuming that the people have no minds.&lt;/i&gt;

Not quite, at least as the term is used today; it&#039;s just that people don&#039;t always pay much attention to what&#039;s going on in their minds.  There have been many, many studies showing that even &quot;smart&quot; students who know they&#039;re being used as subjects in psychology experiments are remarkably easy to mislead or confuse.  Some fairly recent studies, in particular, showed that when subjects saw the same opinion expressed in several different media sources, they assumed &lt;i&gt;&quot;It must be true, or at least most people believe it to be true&quot;&lt;/i&gt; -- even when that repeated opinion is clearly labelled as coming from a single source.  The M(eme)-word has (covers head) &quot;gone viral&quot; precisely because we needed a word more encompassing than &quot;sloganeering&quot; for the kind of stealth-targeting of such semi-conscious &lt;i&gt;perceptions&lt;/i&gt; as Brad&#039;s Bush-voting acquaintances&#039; &quot;understanding&quot; that Gore was a rude, faddish fabulist and Kerry was a snooty elitist with a crazy wife.  Of course, I&#039;m also defending the word because it supports my own theory that &quot;Most People&quot; (most American voters) have gradually allowed themselves to be led to perceive Real Americans as dumber, meaner, shallower, and far more politically regressive than can be justified by statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The whole theory of ‘memes’, as I understand it, is basically that ‘ideas’ are like animals which are competing for survival, and that their environment is the brains of a people. The people are assumed to be passive receptacles for these competing ideas, and one idea wins only on the basis of whether it is more ‘adapted’ than another one to our biology. So if you are using the term ‘meme’ you are almost assuming that the people have no minds.</i></p>
<p>Not quite, at least as the term is used today; it&#8217;s just that people don&#8217;t always pay much attention to what&#8217;s going on in their minds.  There have been many, many studies showing that even &#8220;smart&#8221; students who know they&#8217;re being used as subjects in psychology experiments are remarkably easy to mislead or confuse.  Some fairly recent studies, in particular, showed that when subjects saw the same opinion expressed in several different media sources, they assumed <i>&#8220;It must be true, or at least most people believe it to be true&#8221;</i> &#8212; even when that repeated opinion is clearly labelled as coming from a single source.  The M(eme)-word has (covers head) &#8220;gone viral&#8221; precisely because we needed a word more encompassing than &#8220;sloganeering&#8221; for the kind of stealth-targeting of such semi-conscious <i>perceptions</i> as Brad&#8217;s Bush-voting acquaintances&#8217; &#8220;understanding&#8221; that Gore was a rude, faddish fabulist and Kerry was a snooty elitist with a crazy wife.  Of course, I&#8217;m also defending the word because it supports my own theory that &#8220;Most People&#8221; (most American voters) have gradually allowed themselves to be led to perceive Real Americans as dumber, meaner, shallower, and far more politically regressive than can be justified by statistics.</p>
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		<title>By: a different brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>a different brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillian is absolutely right. I&#039;ve seen that mentality in person in young and old. If anything, she&#039;s being generous in giving them concern for even their own children. Cheney knows he&#039;s living on borrowed time, and if anything, I&#039;d half wager he perversely wants to fuck things up for those of us who aren&#039;t about to die, in the back of his mind. But mostly it&#039;s about the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillian is absolutely right. I&#8217;ve seen that mentality in person in young and old. If anything, she&#8217;s being generous in giving them concern for even their own children. Cheney knows he&#8217;s living on borrowed time, and if anything, I&#8217;d half wager he perversely wants to fuck things up for those of us who aren&#8217;t about to die, in the back of his mind. But mostly it&#8217;s about the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Candy</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6376.html#comment-224850</link>
		<dc:creator>Candy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One friend voted for Bush in 2000 because &quot;Al Gore&#039;s people were rude and wouldn&#039;t let us enter the area closest to Gore&quot; at a rally in downtown Des Moines.  I attempted to explain the role of the Secret Service in protecting the VP, but to no avail.  She was in high dudgeon because they were &quot;rude&quot;.  This girl was not stupid on the issues.  In fact, she did not agree with 99.9% of Bush&#039;s stated objectives, but since Al Gore was rude, she voted for Bush.  &quot;I just like him more,&quot; she said.

Another friend voted for Nader because &quot;Al Gore is not pro-choice enough.&quot;  Every so often I have to ask her, &quot;How do you like your pro-choice preznit now?  How &#039;bout that Supreme Court?  Pro-choice enough for ya?&quot;  This particular argument enraged me like no other, because for me,  it was always about the Supreme Court.  The idea that Bush could possibly get his hands on the Supremes was horrifying; therefore, if there was even a slight chance that my giving a vote to Nader would help elect Bush, there was no way I was going to throw away my vote on Ralph.

Of course, you have the couples who don&#039;t vote at all, because &quot;our votes will just cancel each other out.&quot;  

Dammit, I should be studying right now, less I be found &quot;stupid&quot; on the midterm I have to take today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One friend voted for Bush in 2000 because &#8220;Al Gore&#8217;s people were rude and wouldn&#8217;t let us enter the area closest to Gore&#8221; at a rally in downtown Des Moines.  I attempted to explain the role of the Secret Service in protecting the VP, but to no avail.  She was in high dudgeon because they were &#8220;rude&#8221;.  This girl was not stupid on the issues.  In fact, she did not agree with 99.9% of Bush&#8217;s stated objectives, but since Al Gore was rude, she voted for Bush.  &#8220;I just like him more,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>Another friend voted for Nader because &#8220;Al Gore is not pro-choice enough.&#8221;  Every so often I have to ask her, &#8220;How do you like your pro-choice preznit now?  How &#8217;bout that Supreme Court?  Pro-choice enough for ya?&#8221;  This particular argument enraged me like no other, because for me,  it was always about the Supreme Court.  The idea that Bush could possibly get his hands on the Supremes was horrifying; therefore, if there was even a slight chance that my giving a vote to Nader would help elect Bush, there was no way I was going to throw away my vote on Ralph.</p>
<p>Of course, you have the couples who don&#8217;t vote at all, because &#8220;our votes will just cancel each other out.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Dammit, I should be studying right now, less I be found &#8220;stupid&#8221; on the midterm I have to take today.</p>
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		<title>By: Smiling Mortician</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smiling Mortician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Smotes Durston. I too have students who come in the door articulating some pretty ill-informed, nonsensical and/or soulless stuff. I try to respond like kingubu, who I believe has it exactly right:

&lt;i&gt;All Iâ€™m saying is: if youâ€™re super-plugged in to whatâ€™s going on you have a leg up over most people. Use that power wisely by sharing it and making other more savvy instead of writing them off as dolts for not already knowing what you know or caring as much as you care.&lt;/i&gt;

Takes a lot of patience -- especially if you try to follow this advice in dealing with all sorts of people, not just students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Smotes Durston. I too have students who come in the door articulating some pretty ill-informed, nonsensical and/or soulless stuff. I try to respond like kingubu, who I believe has it exactly right:</p>
<p><i>All Iâ€™m saying is: if youâ€™re super-plugged in to whatâ€™s going on you have a leg up over most people. Use that power wisely by sharing it and making other more savvy instead of writing them off as dolts for not already knowing what you know or caring as much as you care.</i></p>
<p>Takes a lot of patience &#8212; especially if you try to follow this advice in dealing with all sorts of people, not just students.</p>
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		<title>By: shargash</title>
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		<dc:creator>shargash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They &quot;now admit they made a huge mistake?&quot; It sounds like someone forgot to give some of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World#Introduction_to_The_World_State.2C_Lenina_and_Bernard_.28chapters_1.E2.80.936.29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Epsilon Semi-morons&lt;/a&gt; their Soma.

Shit! Where&#039;s my Soma?

Shit! Where&#039;s my preview? This could be ugly. (closes eyes &amp; hits &quot;submit&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They &#8220;now admit they made a huge mistake?&#8221; It sounds like someone forgot to give some of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World#Introduction_to_The_World_State.2C_Lenina_and_Bernard_.28chapters_1.E2.80.936.29" rel="nofollow">Epsilon Semi-morons</a> their Soma.</p>
<p>Shit! Where&#8217;s my Soma?</p>
<p>Shit! Where&#8217;s my preview? This could be ugly. (closes eyes &amp; hits &#8220;submit&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: prozacula</title>
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		<dc:creator>prozacula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people aren&#039;t MORE stupid, there&#039;s just MORE stupid people, what with overcrowding and whatnot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people aren&#8217;t MORE stupid, there&#8217;s just MORE stupid people, what with overcrowding and whatnot.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;best&quot; reason I heard for voting for Bush was that of course he&#039;d keep oil prices low. Chuckle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;best&#8221; reason I heard for voting for Bush was that of course he&#8217;d keep oil prices low. Chuckle!</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillian:

I realize that.  What you say about their views makes sense.  I also realize that in their invasion of Iraq, they were not truly concerned with the security of the Iraqis, the creation of a secular, democratic state in Iraq, or with any of the rest of it- nothing but getting access to oil and building bases in the middle east, and possily some other things.

You are absolutely right that in order to understand the Neo-cons you have to understand their actual aims behind their public statements (not always an easy thing to do), and understand that they don&#039;t give a rats ass about anyone not in their class, except to effectively control them.

I still think that they are ignoring certain things which can, and have, harmed them. The fact of their occupation of Iraq is, in my opinion, hurting them in ways that they apparently did not expect.  It seems to me, and perhaps I am naive, that their policies have become unpopular.  And it also seems to me that this is perhaps connected with their extra-low opinion of the intellligence of Americans.

But you may be right as well. We will see, as this situation unfolds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillian:</p>
<p>I realize that.  What you say about their views makes sense.  I also realize that in their invasion of Iraq, they were not truly concerned with the security of the Iraqis, the creation of a secular, democratic state in Iraq, or with any of the rest of it- nothing but getting access to oil and building bases in the middle east, and possily some other things.</p>
<p>You are absolutely right that in order to understand the Neo-cons you have to understand their actual aims behind their public statements (not always an easy thing to do), and understand that they don&#8217;t give a rats ass about anyone not in their class, except to effectively control them.</p>
<p>I still think that they are ignoring certain things which can, and have, harmed them. The fact of their occupation of Iraq is, in my opinion, hurting them in ways that they apparently did not expect.  It seems to me, and perhaps I am naive, that their policies have become unpopular.  And it also seems to me that this is perhaps connected with their extra-low opinion of the intellligence of Americans.</p>
<p>But you may be right as well. We will see, as this situation unfolds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yet it seems to me that their ideology has led them to ignore, or refuse to think about, certain issues that are supremely important, such as Global Warming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This isn&#039;t particularly stupid on the part of neocons.  Climate change isn&#039;t going to kill any rich person living in an industrialized nation in their lifetime or probably even in the lifetime of their children.  And, considering that they are people completely devoid of a conscience, getting them to understand why the fuck they should care about anybody else is impossible.

Neoconservative behavior makes perfect sense.  Just alter your thinking a little:  &quot;I am the most important thing in the universe.  All that matters is what makes me happy and gives me pleasure.  Class matters, and I am obviously of the upper class, and it gives me pleasure to show that in everything I do, because it means I&#039;m better than everyone else.&quot;

That&#039;s all it takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yet it seems to me that their ideology has led them to ignore, or refuse to think about, certain issues that are supremely important, such as Global Warming.</p></blockquote>
<p>This isn&#8217;t particularly stupid on the part of neocons.  Climate change isn&#8217;t going to kill any rich person living in an industrialized nation in their lifetime or probably even in the lifetime of their children.  And, considering that they are people completely devoid of a conscience, getting them to understand why the fuck they should care about anybody else is impossible.</p>
<p>Neoconservative behavior makes perfect sense.  Just alter your thinking a little:  &#8220;I am the most important thing in the universe.  All that matters is what makes me happy and gives me pleasure.  Class matters, and I am obviously of the upper class, and it gives me pleasure to show that in everything I do, because it means I&#8217;m better than everyone else.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all it takes.</p>
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		<title>By: Notorious P.A.T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notorious P.A.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is not to say that everyone who voted for Bush is stupid&lt;/i&gt;

Most people who voted for Bush are not stupid.  But most stupid people &lt;b&gt;did&lt;/b&gt; vote for Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is not to say that everyone who voted for Bush is stupid</i></p>
<p>Most people who voted for Bush are not stupid.  But most stupid people <b>did</b> vote for Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Nilsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Nilsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to feed the Morlocks!</description>
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		<title>By: Menshevik</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6376.html#comment-224730</link>
		<dc:creator>Menshevik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish people would come up with a different &quot;standard&quot; of stupidity than Caligula&#039;s appointing a horse to the senate. He did this not because he was stupid, but in order to show his contempt for the senate, which in his view of the Roman emperor&#039;s unlimited powers had no business of interfering in his decisions (this contempt was probably intensified by the lickspittle addresses he got from most senators). So in that respect he perhaps resembled Cheney more than Bush...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish people would come up with a different &#8220;standard&#8221; of stupidity than Caligula&#8217;s appointing a horse to the senate. He did this not because he was stupid, but in order to show his contempt for the senate, which in his view of the Roman emperor&#8217;s unlimited powers had no business of interfering in his decisions (this contempt was probably intensified by the lickspittle addresses he got from most senators). So in that respect he perhaps resembled Cheney more than Bush&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nashtbrutusandshort</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6376.html#comment-224722</link>
		<dc:creator>nashtbrutusandshort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, did you really get THOSE answers?  If so, send &#039;em to The Daily Howler -- they&#039;re some small empirical confirmation that his warnings to us about the press corps have been spot-on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, did you really get THOSE answers?  If so, send &#8216;em to The Daily Howler &#8212; they&#8217;re some small empirical confirmation that his warnings to us about the press corps have been spot-on.</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6376.html#comment-224721</link>
		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Smotes Durston, you know the things you listed that your students have said are not exactly stupid, they are more like Machiavellian, and/or thoughtless. To say:
&quot;It is better for the president of today to be feared more than loved [otherwise] his citizens would feel as if they had free reign, which could be very destructive&quot;, that&#039;s not stupid, that&#039;s just a riff on Machiavelli.
To say:
&quot;The newly placed democratic government installed by the U.S.&quot; is, in fact, a sort of unconsidered, unthoughtful thing to say- how do you &#039;install&#039; a &#039;democratic&#039; government.

I don&#039;t think you are a failure as a teacher, I think you are just dealing with students who have been given certain ideas from the media and from today&#039;s political climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Smotes Durston, you know the things you listed that your students have said are not exactly stupid, they are more like Machiavellian, and/or thoughtless. To say:<br />
&#8220;It is better for the president of today to be feared more than loved [otherwise] his citizens would feel as if they had free reign, which could be very destructive&#8221;, that&#8217;s not stupid, that&#8217;s just a riff on Machiavelli.<br />
To say:<br />
&#8220;The newly placed democratic government installed by the U.S.&#8221; is, in fact, a sort of unconsidered, unthoughtful thing to say- how do you &#8216;install&#8217; a &#8216;democratic&#8217; government.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you are a failure as a teacher, I think you are just dealing with students who have been given certain ideas from the media and from today&#8217;s political climate.</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6376.html#comment-224719</link>
		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The “people are stupid” meme irritates the living hell out of me these days, though in the interest of full disclosure, I used to buy into it whole-heartedly. &lt;/i&gt;

I irritates me too, Matt T. Not because I think that my fellow Americans are acting very smart nowadays... &lt;b&gt;hell&lt;/b&gt; no. The reasons it irritates me are various.

First, can I just mention that the very concept of a &#039;meme&#039; is embedded in a theory which suggests that people have no minds as such?  The whole theory of &#039;memes&#039;, as I understand it, is basically that &#039;ideas&#039; are like animals which are competing for survival, and that their environment is the brains of a people. The people are assumed to be passive receptacles for these competing ideas, and one idea wins only on the basis of whether it is more &#039;adapted&#039; than another one to our biology. So if you are using the term &#039;meme&#039; you are almost assuming that the people have no minds.

Second, I sometimes think that the people are not as stupid as they look. I take some pleasure from hearing people say, &quot;we invaded Iraq so that we could get their oil- I think it was a good idea.&quot;  It is a cruel, cold thing to say, but at least people who say that seem to have a decently good grip on some of the actual geopolitics involved.

Third, I sometimes think that believing too fervently in the stupidity of your fellow citizens can, in some mysterious way, make &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; stupid.  I mean, look at the Neoconservatives. Their entire political philosophy, as I understand it, is based on the necessary deception of the stupid masses. They believe that they need continual war and propaganda to keep pro-democracy forces in check domestically, and to keep the people in a kind of drama which removes their need for critical thought.  Their own ideas are intelligent, they are riffs on Machiavelli. Yet it seems to me that their ideology has led them to ignore, or refuse to think about, certain issues that are supremely important, such as Global Warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The “people are stupid” meme irritates the living hell out of me these days, though in the interest of full disclosure, I used to buy into it whole-heartedly. </i></p>
<p>I irritates me too, Matt T. Not because I think that my fellow Americans are acting very smart nowadays&#8230; <b>hell</b> no. The reasons it irritates me are various.</p>
<p>First, can I just mention that the very concept of a &#8216;meme&#8217; is embedded in a theory which suggests that people have no minds as such?  The whole theory of &#8216;memes&#8217;, as I understand it, is basically that &#8216;ideas&#8217; are like animals which are competing for survival, and that their environment is the brains of a people. The people are assumed to be passive receptacles for these competing ideas, and one idea wins only on the basis of whether it is more &#8216;adapted&#8217; than another one to our biology. So if you are using the term &#8216;meme&#8217; you are almost assuming that the people have no minds.</p>
<p>Second, I sometimes think that the people are not as stupid as they look. I take some pleasure from hearing people say, &#8220;we invaded Iraq so that we could get their oil- I think it was a good idea.&#8221;  It is a cruel, cold thing to say, but at least people who say that seem to have a decently good grip on some of the actual geopolitics involved.</p>
<p>Third, I sometimes think that believing too fervently in the stupidity of your fellow citizens can, in some mysterious way, make <i>you</i> stupid.  I mean, look at the Neoconservatives. Their entire political philosophy, as I understand it, is based on the necessary deception of the stupid masses. They believe that they need continual war and propaganda to keep pro-democracy forces in check domestically, and to keep the people in a kind of drama which removes their need for critical thought.  Their own ideas are intelligent, they are riffs on Machiavelli. Yet it seems to me that their ideology has led them to ignore, or refuse to think about, certain issues that are supremely important, such as Global Warming.</p>
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