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		<title>By: Greg Weeks</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-382999</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Ender&#039;s Game was not good.  Ender&#039;s Game was junk, like
most of what is published in this ghastly post-&quot;Star Wars&quot;,
post-Anne-McCaffrey-and-her-dragons-crap era.  I can&#039;t say
that it&#039;s all been junk for the past 30 years.  Unsurprisingly,
I tuned out.  (Oh, when I think of LotR III getting an *Oscar*,
I can hardly breathe.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Ender&#8217;s Game was not good.  Ender&#8217;s Game was junk, like<br />
most of what is published in this ghastly post-&#8221;Star Wars&#8221;,<br />
post-Anne-McCaffrey-and-her-dragons-crap era.  I can&#8217;t say<br />
that it&#8217;s all been junk for the past 30 years.  Unsurprisingly,<br />
I tuned out.  (Oh, when I think of LotR III getting an *Oscar*,<br />
I can hardly breathe.)</p>
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		<title>By: den</title>
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		<dc:creator>den</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was laid up with a bad back for 2 months, someone gives me 6 books by osc and I did somewhat enjoy enders game, but I would rather have a root canal then read anything more by this guy.After 6 I should win an award</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was laid up with a bad back for 2 months, someone gives me 6 books by osc and I did somewhat enjoy enders game, but I would rather have a root canal then read anything more by this guy.After 6 I should win an award</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne:

You got her invited to an academic conference? Wow, that&#039;s great! May I ask what it was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne:</p>
<p>You got her invited to an academic conference? Wow, that&#8217;s great! May I ask what it was?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-224704</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Not being a big sci-fi fan, I’m having trouble placing it…oh, wait, I know who it is. Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer! Do you think Santa can sue for plagiarism?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No, no, silly Ignobility -- it&#039;s &lt;b&gt;Gene Autrey&lt;/b&gt; who would have legal standing to sue!  (Yes, I know he&#039;s dead.  And I&#039;m old.)

Qetesh, thanks for the recommendations... I actually wandered away from sf shortly after DOWNBELOW STATION, which I loved, and need to look for her more recent work.  And also Sherri Tepper, because I have enjoyed her mysteries (which she published as B.J. Oliphant and... damn this Alzheimers... A.J. Orde, I believe).  

Atheist, I have been in awe of Octavia Butler&#039;s talents since PATTERNMASTER, and also greatly mourned her death.  One of my proudest feats was getting Butler invited to a genuine academic conference, at which I was too chicken to introduce myself to her.  But I heard later that she&#039;d quite enjoyed the experience, so I can still make myself happy claiming the credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Not being a big sci-fi fan, I’m having trouble placing it…oh, wait, I know who it is. Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer! Do you think Santa can sue for plagiarism?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No, no, silly Ignobility &#8212; it&#8217;s <b>Gene Autrey</b> who would have legal standing to sue!  (Yes, I know he&#8217;s dead.  And I&#8217;m old.)</p>
<p>Qetesh, thanks for the recommendations&#8230; I actually wandered away from sf shortly after DOWNBELOW STATION, which I loved, and need to look for her more recent work.  And also Sherri Tepper, because I have enjoyed her mysteries (which she published as B.J. Oliphant and&#8230; damn this Alzheimers&#8230; A.J. Orde, I believe).  </p>
<p>Atheist, I have been in awe of Octavia Butler&#8217;s talents since PATTERNMASTER, and also greatly mourned her death.  One of my proudest feats was getting Butler invited to a genuine academic conference, at which I was too chicken to introduce myself to her.  But I heard later that she&#8217;d quite enjoyed the experience, so I can still make myself happy claiming the credit.</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-224410</link>
		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, thanx for the tip on NIGHT WATCH, sounds interesting. Maybe I&#039;ll check it out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, thanx for the tip on NIGHT WATCH, sounds interesting. Maybe I&#8217;ll check it out!</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-224409</link>
		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One of my local acquaintances is starting a book club because so many of us “used to love sf” but now we’re middle-aged &amp; busy &amp; just can’t keep up with drinking from the current sci-fi firehose. Any suggestions as to worthy authors or particular works would be much appreciated.&lt;/i&gt;

Dear Anne:

I highly recommend Octavia E. Butler&#039;s &quot;Xenogenesis Series&quot;, which is composed of &quot;Dawn&quot;, &quot;Adulthood Rites&quot;, and &quot;Imago&quot;, and is also gathered together in one volume as &quot;Lillith&#039;s Brood&quot;. That series Rocked My Socks. It was sad when Butler died recently, as she was just coming off of a sort of decade-long dry spell, during which she wrote only one book, and was starting to really write again. Fate can be cruel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One of my local acquaintances is starting a book club because so many of us “used to love sf” but now we’re middle-aged &amp; busy &amp; just can’t keep up with drinking from the current sci-fi firehose. Any suggestions as to worthy authors or particular works would be much appreciated.</i></p>
<p>Dear Anne:</p>
<p>I highly recommend Octavia E. Butler&#8217;s &#8220;Xenogenesis Series&#8221;, which is composed of &#8220;Dawn&#8221;, &#8220;Adulthood Rites&#8221;, and &#8220;Imago&#8221;, and is also gathered together in one volume as &#8220;Lillith&#8217;s Brood&#8221;. That series Rocked My Socks. It was sad when Butler died recently, as she was just coming off of a sort of decade-long dry spell, during which she wrote only one book, and was starting to really write again. Fate can be cruel.</p>
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		<title>By: ignobility</title>
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		<dc:creator>ignobility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 03:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne Laurie, you&#039;re description of the theme of OSC and Dragonrider books sounds oh so familiar.  Not being a big sci-fi fan, I&#039;m having trouble placing it...oh, wait, I know who it is.  Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer!  Do you think Santa can sue for plagiarism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne Laurie, you&#8217;re description of the theme of OSC and Dragonrider books sounds oh so familiar.  Not being a big sci-fi fan, I&#8217;m having trouble placing it&#8230;oh, wait, I know who it is.  Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer!  Do you think Santa can sue for plagiarism?</p>
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		<title>By: Qetesh the Abyssinian</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-223900</link>
		<dc:creator>Qetesh the Abyssinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne Laurie, just in case you wander back here to this dark echoing space: thanks for the tip. The only Russian novel I&#039;ve read is &lt;i&gt;The Master And Margarita&lt;/i&gt;, which was written in the 40s I think but is still damn fine.

As for recommendations, I think you can&#039;t got past some C. J. Cherryh. She&#039;s created some interesting permutations on social structures (human and not), and can write space opera that&#039;s fun and also makes you think. She also has a gift for exploring the human experience, and I&#039;d recommend different books depending on what other sorts of stuff you like. &lt;i&gt;Downbelow Station&lt;/i&gt; is excellent and won a Hugo (I think), although fairly heavy. The &lt;i&gt;Cyteen&lt;/i&gt; trilogy has some great ideas but takes a few reads through to get the hang of. The ones I re-read most often are the &lt;i&gt;Foreigner&lt;/i&gt; series (six books in all): one of the things I love about them is that they show up the difficulties of translation of language and culture, and how fraught is the interface between cultures. I think all foreign relations students and aspiring politicians should be forced to read it.

You might also like to have a go at some Sherri S. Tepper. If you read a lot of hers in one go you&#039;ll get the feeling she&#039;s got a couple of bees in her bonnet (about women and religion respectively), but she&#039;s creative and crafts a good yarn. My favourite of hers is &lt;i&gt;The Gate To Women&#039;s Country&lt;/i&gt;, which I think is one of her less well known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne Laurie, just in case you wander back here to this dark echoing space: thanks for the tip. The only Russian novel I&#8217;ve read is <i>The Master And Margarita</i>, which was written in the 40s I think but is still damn fine.</p>
<p>As for recommendations, I think you can&#8217;t got past some C. J. Cherryh. She&#8217;s created some interesting permutations on social structures (human and not), and can write space opera that&#8217;s fun and also makes you think. She also has a gift for exploring the human experience, and I&#8217;d recommend different books depending on what other sorts of stuff you like. <i>Downbelow Station</i> is excellent and won a Hugo (I think), although fairly heavy. The <i>Cyteen</i> trilogy has some great ideas but takes a few reads through to get the hang of. The ones I re-read most often are the <i>Foreigner</i> series (six books in all): one of the things I love about them is that they show up the difficulties of translation of language and culture, and how fraught is the interface between cultures. I think all foreign relations students and aspiring politicians should be forced to read it.</p>
<p>You might also like to have a go at some Sherri S. Tepper. If you read a lot of hers in one go you&#8217;ll get the feeling she&#8217;s got a couple of bees in her bonnet (about women and religion respectively), but she&#8217;s creative and crafts a good yarn. My favourite of hers is <i>The Gate To Women&#8217;s Country</i>, which I think is one of her less well known.</p>
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		<title>By: birdseatbugs</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-223635</link>
		<dc:creator>birdseatbugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Another possibility is that he’s not being edited as well as he once was. Successful “authors” who bring the big contracts get treated a lot more gently by their agents and buyers than scrappy new writers trying to find a foothold.&lt;/i&gt;

Which is why I don&#039;t read Stephen King (or Clive Cussler, any more) -- I couldn&#039;t stand trying to read something and seeing the same damn adjectives used three or four times in one chapter... Or trying to read something that had sentence fragments that started with the word &#039;but&#039;. 

Also, what I remember of reading Ender&#039;s Game was that it was good, but it would have worked much better as a novella or short story -- there was a big chunk of the middle I&#039;d have cut out because it told, rather than showed. Gaaaaah.</description>
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<p>Which is why I don&#8217;t read Stephen King (or Clive Cussler, any more) &#8212; I couldn&#8217;t stand trying to read something and seeing the same damn adjectives used three or four times in one chapter&#8230; Or trying to read something that had sentence fragments that started with the word &#8216;but&#8217;. </p>
<p>Also, what I remember of reading Ender&#8217;s Game was that it was good, but it would have worked much better as a novella or short story &#8212; there was a big chunk of the middle I&#8217;d have cut out because it told, rather than showed. Gaaaaah.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-223564</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I really think he must have some sort of undiagnosed mental degenerative thing.&lt;/i&gt;

Another possibility is that he&#039;s not being edited as well as he once was. Successful &quot;authors&quot; who bring the big contracts get treated a lot more gently by their agents and buyers than scrappy new writers trying to find a foothold.  Especially in a publishing market where &quot;important&quot; is measured by the pound, the quantifiable value of an Established Name too often takes the lead out of the blue pencils.  And, of course, OSC&#039;s handlers can tell themselves that the target audience for EMPIRE adores every single overwrought adjective and improbable D&amp;D plot-line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I really think he must have some sort of undiagnosed mental degenerative thing.</i></p>
<p>Another possibility is that he&#8217;s not being edited as well as he once was. Successful &#8220;authors&#8221; who bring the big contracts get treated a lot more gently by their agents and buyers than scrappy new writers trying to find a foothold.  Especially in a publishing market where &#8220;important&#8221; is measured by the pound, the quantifiable value of an Established Name too often takes the lead out of the blue pencils.  And, of course, OSC&#8217;s handlers can tell themselves that the target audience for EMPIRE adores every single overwrought adjective and improbable D&amp;D plot-line.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case anybody wanders back here to shake out the sofa cushions for lost change, may I recommend Sergei Lukyanenko&#039;s NIGHT WATCH (the novel, in translation).  Qetesh, Sam Vimes would totally recognize Lukyanenko&#039;s Agents of Light (who run the NW) and Darkness (who supervise the Day Shift), even though he would NOT approve of the general Russian-ness of Lukyanenko&#039;s parallel multiverse.

One of my local acquaintances is starting a book club because so many of us &quot;used to love sf&quot; but now we&#039;re middle-aged &amp; busy &amp; just can&#039;t keep up with drinking from the current sci-fi firehose.  Any suggestions as to worthy authors or particular works would be much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case anybody wanders back here to shake out the sofa cushions for lost change, may I recommend Sergei Lukyanenko&#8217;s NIGHT WATCH (the novel, in translation).  Qetesh, Sam Vimes would totally recognize Lukyanenko&#8217;s Agents of Light (who run the NW) and Darkness (who supervise the Day Shift), even though he would NOT approve of the general Russian-ness of Lukyanenko&#8217;s parallel multiverse.</p>
<p>One of my local acquaintances is starting a book club because so many of us &#8220;used to love sf&#8221; but now we&#8217;re middle-aged &amp; busy &amp; just can&#8217;t keep up with drinking from the current sci-fi firehose.  Any suggestions as to worthy authors or particular works would be much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: GeoX</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-223533</link>
		<dc:creator>GeoX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think he DID get a lot worse.  I was an avid OSC fan as a teenager, and while I&#039;ll concede that, looking back, I would probably cringe at a lot of what I ate up at the time, he wasn&#039;t an incompetent writer.  I&#039;m pretty sure.  Whereas Empire (the first five chapters of which I read online) literally reads like it was written by a ten-year-old hopped up on videogames.  I really think he must have some sort of undiagnosed mental degenerative thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think he DID get a lot worse.  I was an avid OSC fan as a teenager, and while I&#8217;ll concede that, looking back, I would probably cringe at a lot of what I ate up at the time, he wasn&#8217;t an incompetent writer.  I&#8217;m pretty sure.  Whereas Empire (the first five chapters of which I read online) literally reads like it was written by a ten-year-old hopped up on videogames.  I really think he must have some sort of undiagnosed mental degenerative thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Card is scifi’s Dennis Miller. He used to be entertaining, but something broke him.&lt;/i&gt;

What I was told is that Dennis Miller was entertaining when he had good writers working for him.  Then he had an epiphany about how he was the *real* talent, and parted ways with the good writers, at which point Miller&#039;s career headed straight into the dumpster.  Fortunately for him, NineElevenChangedEverything opened a marketing niche for a certified Smart Guy Librul who was willing to renounce his sinful ways and act as the teevee face of the new white middle-class suburban paranoia.  Now his material sucks 17 kinds of ass, but that&#039;s okay with his new &quot;friends&quot; and paymasters, because sucking ass is a state with which they are very very comfortable.

Orson Scott Cardboard wrote a couple of well-put-together variations on the particular adolescent alienation/torture/sexual fantasy theme previously owned by Jacqueline Lichtenberg and Anne McCaffery&#039;s Dragonrider books.   There&#039;s always a market for publishable versions of &lt;i&gt;&quot;Everybody hates me because I&#039;m SPECIAL, which is why they do nothing but torture me, but that&#039;s okay, because one of these days my crysalid G*E*N*I*U*S will burst upon a bedazzled universe, and then I&#039;ll torture &lt;b&gt;them&lt;/b&gt; (but only for their own good, and to prove how special &amp; unique I really am)... &quot;&lt;/i&gt;  and the sf/fantasy niche was in particular need of a manly, midwestern, deeply heterosexual writer to service all the pimply male adolescents who didn&#039;t want to catch &quot;girl cooties&quot;.  OSC&#039;s been mining that vein with great success for the past 25 years; after all that time, even the most dedicated performer must either prospect for new material, start recycling his own tailings, or dig so vigorously at his old seam as to become, well, mechanical...

But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to say that OSC&#039;s leaden recent work is, at its core, substantially different than the stuff he got awards for.  He&#039;s more like Bill Maher -- &lt;b&gt;he&lt;/b&gt; didn&#039;t change, but his audience did.  And just as Maher has moved from &quot;vaguely right-wing libertarian&quot; to &quot;labelled left-wing progressive&quot; without much changing his own act, OSC has moved from &quot;sci-fi writer&quot; to &quot;techno-historical spokesman for neocons and other adolescent fantasists&quot; without moving from his original warm, damp niche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Card is scifi’s Dennis Miller. He used to be entertaining, but something broke him.</i></p>
<p>What I was told is that Dennis Miller was entertaining when he had good writers working for him.  Then he had an epiphany about how he was the *real* talent, and parted ways with the good writers, at which point Miller&#8217;s career headed straight into the dumpster.  Fortunately for him, NineElevenChangedEverything opened a marketing niche for a certified Smart Guy Librul who was willing to renounce his sinful ways and act as the teevee face of the new white middle-class suburban paranoia.  Now his material sucks 17 kinds of ass, but that&#8217;s okay with his new &#8220;friends&#8221; and paymasters, because sucking ass is a state with which they are very very comfortable.</p>
<p>Orson Scott Cardboard wrote a couple of well-put-together variations on the particular adolescent alienation/torture/sexual fantasy theme previously owned by Jacqueline Lichtenberg and Anne McCaffery&#8217;s Dragonrider books.   There&#8217;s always a market for publishable versions of <i>&#8220;Everybody hates me because I&#8217;m SPECIAL, which is why they do nothing but torture me, but that&#8217;s okay, because one of these days my crysalid G*E*N*I*U*S will burst upon a bedazzled universe, and then I&#8217;ll torture <b>them</b> (but only for their own good, and to prove how special &amp; unique I really am)&#8230; &#8220;</i>  and the sf/fantasy niche was in particular need of a manly, midwestern, deeply heterosexual writer to service all the pimply male adolescents who didn&#8217;t want to catch &#8220;girl cooties&#8221;.  OSC&#8217;s been mining that vein with great success for the past 25 years; after all that time, even the most dedicated performer must either prospect for new material, start recycling his own tailings, or dig so vigorously at his old seam as to become, well, mechanical&#8230;</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to say that OSC&#8217;s leaden recent work is, at its core, substantially different than the stuff he got awards for.  He&#8217;s more like Bill Maher &#8212; <b>he</b> didn&#8217;t change, but his audience did.  And just as Maher has moved from &#8220;vaguely right-wing libertarian&#8221; to &#8220;labelled left-wing progressive&#8221; without much changing his own act, OSC has moved from &#8220;sci-fi writer&#8221; to &#8220;techno-historical spokesman for neocons and other adolescent fantasists&#8221; without moving from his original warm, damp niche.</p>
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		<title>By: Doodle Bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doodle Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aloysius,

Thanks for that link.  That hit the spot with this tired activist!</description>
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<p>Thanks for that link.  That hit the spot with this tired activist!</p>
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		<title>By: Doodle Bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doodle Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mikey.

Although I&#039;d maintain that military &#039;solutions&#039; leave us at less than zero.  But that&#039;s just me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mikey.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;d maintain that military &#8216;solutions&#8217; leave us at less than zero.  But that&#8217;s just me!</p>
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		<title>By: Proteus454</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-223301</link>
		<dc:creator>Proteus454</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You deserve congratulations, Leonard. Just looking at this monstrous stupidity (his, not yours) makes me want to end myself, and you manage to render it readable with your protective insulation of wit and snark. Well done, sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You deserve congratulations, Leonard. Just looking at this monstrous stupidity (his, not yours) makes me want to end myself, and you manage to render it readable with your protective insulation of wit and snark. Well done, sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Aloysius</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6360.html#comment-223277</link>
		<dc:creator>Aloysius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Card is scifi’s Dennis Miller. He used to be entertaining, but something broke him.&quot;

Card&#039;s been a shitty writer since he first put pen to paper.  That &lt;i&gt;Ender&#039;s Game&lt;/i&gt; came out as well as it did was a real fluke; &lt;i&gt;Songmaster&lt;/i&gt; was already offensively stupid, morally-twisted garbage back in 1980.  He&#039;s a one-trick pony:  he always, always wants to put his characters through deep and profound moral crises, and he always, always loads the dice in his world-building so that the only &quot;moral&quot; solution in the end is the one that just happens to conform to his blatant religious prejudices.  He never goes beyond his own dogma, although he sometimes does a clever job hiding that.

Basically, he&#039;s always been more of a propagandist than a novelist.

This posting, I think, says it all: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/5/28/193926/689&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Orson Scott Card Has Always Been An Asshat&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Card is scifi’s Dennis Miller. He used to be entertaining, but something broke him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Card&#8217;s been a shitty writer since he first put pen to paper.  That <i>Ender&#8217;s Game</i> came out as well as it did was a real fluke; <i>Songmaster</i> was already offensively stupid, morally-twisted garbage back in 1980.  He&#8217;s a one-trick pony:  he always, always wants to put his characters through deep and profound moral crises, and he always, always loads the dice in his world-building so that the only &#8220;moral&#8221; solution in the end is the one that just happens to conform to his blatant religious prejudices.  He never goes beyond his own dogma, although he sometimes does a clever job hiding that.</p>
<p>Basically, he&#8217;s always been more of a propagandist than a novelist.</p>
<p>This posting, I think, says it all: <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/5/28/193926/689" rel="nofollow">Orson Scott Card Has Always Been An Asshat</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: sagra</title>
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		<dc:creator>sagra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Card is scifi&#039;s Dennis Miller.  He used to be entertaining, but something broke him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Card is scifi&#8217;s Dennis Miller.  He used to be entertaining, but something broke him.</p>
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		<title>By: MrWonderful</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrWonderful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and wonder why they don&#039;t just give up.  Like Japan did!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and wonder why they don&#8217;t just give up.  Like Japan did!</p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Doodle, but with this administration they make it several orders of magnitude worse by believing that ANY problem has a military solution.  They cannot conceive of a situation that bombs, artillery and armored infantry can&#039;t solve. 

Of course, those of us who live in THIS universe recognize the inherent limitations in military power.  You can wreck things with it.  You can dismantle the extant power structure.  You can kill, and you can punish.  When you have completed these things that the military actually DOES, you are left at zero.  Now most people would recognize that at that point the military has served it&#039;s purpose, and you put them back in their box and use your other assets - economic, political, diplomatic, etc.  But with bush/cheney/rumsfeld, when you&#039;re done bombing &#039;em, you - um, yeah, bomb them again!!

mikey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Doodle, but with this administration they make it several orders of magnitude worse by believing that ANY problem has a military solution.  They cannot conceive of a situation that bombs, artillery and armored infantry can&#8217;t solve. </p>
<p>Of course, those of us who live in THIS universe recognize the inherent limitations in military power.  You can wreck things with it.  You can dismantle the extant power structure.  You can kill, and you can punish.  When you have completed these things that the military actually DOES, you are left at zero.  Now most people would recognize that at that point the military has served it&#8217;s purpose, and you put them back in their box and use your other assets &#8211; economic, political, diplomatic, etc.  But with bush/cheney/rumsfeld, when you&#8217;re done bombing &#8216;em, you &#8211; um, yeah, bomb them again!!</p>
<p>mikey</p>
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