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Joe Torre is a crappy manager
Yes, I know the guy has FOUR WORLD SERIES RINGS!!111!1, but look at this: he’s using Roger Clemens as a relief pitcher.
Yankee fans, please explain to me how you guys won four championships with this guy at the helm? I’ve never seen such shoddy bullpen management in my entire life.
D. Aristophanes said,
June 25, 2007 at 0:56
Yeah, well, he had to use seven pitchers yesterday (a day after using five) in a 13-inning game that had some slightly crazy rallies and lead changes.
So it’s not like he’s using Clemens out of the ‘pen in a vacuum or anything.
You could argue that getting to the point where he had to use Clemens is where he screwed up, but sometimes things just add up (like 13-inning games following a game where you used five pitchers, for example).
Plus, the Yanks are in a position where they can’t afford to just give up on a game by throwing some reliever out there for multiple innings, to save arms for the coming days. They’ve got a lot of catching up to do.
And remember, I hate the Yankees. And no, I don’t think Torre is all that great, but then no manager really has much effect on baseball games anyway.
Brad R. said,
June 25, 2007 at 1:02
But Clemens is, uh, 45 years old. And he’s a starting pitcher. And he’s due to make a start in, like, a couple of days. Who would have been better to pitch instead of Clemens? How about anyone? Myers could’ve been used to face Bonds and Klesko. That’s his job.
D. Aristophanes said,
June 25, 2007 at 1:10
I’m not sure what him being 45 has to do with anything … Jesse Orosco pitched in relief at the age of 73 or something. Myers pitched yesterday and the day before, so …
Anyway, the Yanks ought to try and get some of their money’s worth out of that sack of shit anyway, even if it means blowing his arm out by pitching him in relief on his off days.
I’m surprised he’s even on the road with them for the SF trip …
mikey said,
June 25, 2007 at 1:16
I’d really tend to agree with DA- he was just pretty much outta pitchers. But at the same time there’s a bigger story here. The Yanks came into town with the Giants on the skids. They were just lost. They couldn’t get an RBI hit, the starters were blowing up, the bullpen was barely holding their own. The Giants needed a crappy team to come in so they could feast on ‘em, win a series and regain some confidence.
And that team turned out to be the Yankees? They ain’t as good as they think they are if they couldn’t come in and sweep the pathetic Giants. Now they’ve gotta have even bigger doubts, and the Giants can feel pretty good about themselves. At least until the DBacks get here…
mikey
Kobie said,
June 25, 2007 at 1:20
On behalf of Yankee haters everywhere, I would like to say:
BWAHAHAHAHAH PWNED!!!!11one
Retarded Donut said,
June 25, 2007 at 2:02
What’s a “Yankees fan”?
BillBuckner said,
June 25, 2007 at 2:26
Hey retarded donut, your joke somehow snuck between my legs, under my glove, and rolled slowly into right field.
a different brad said,
June 25, 2007 at 2:51
DA already covered it. For what Clemens is being paid, he better be ready for some unorthodox uses. He ain’t saving his arm for anything, that’s for sure.
Besides, using starters as relievers on their throw days is an idea that’s long been underexplored.
Steve J. said,
June 25, 2007 at 2:53
Um, I’m thinking of becoming a soccer fan…
a different brad said,
June 25, 2007 at 2:56
And mikey, what I saw was that the Giants have some great starting pitching, and marginally better relief. And the Yanks are a streaky team this year.
N retarded donut, I’m a Yankees fan.
Zach said,
June 25, 2007 at 3:21
I saw “R. Clemens” in the boxscore today, and I spent 20 minutes trying to find out who *really* pitched for the Yanks in relief. Like, maybe they signed some journeyman named Richard Clemens or something.
But, comically, there was no mistake.
A REAL American said,
June 25, 2007 at 3:27
Enough w/ the Sawks/Yankees, you effete Northeastern elitists. Librul’s like yew all have rooned this country for Us REaL Americans. Note that MY GOD has killed decadent (former) SF reliever Rod Beck. It will hoppen 2 U, 2,commies!!!
Retarded Donut said,
June 25, 2007 at 3:31
Retarded Donut said,
June 25, 2007 at 3:43
I’m a Yankees fan.
Super.
D. Aristophanes said,
June 25, 2007 at 3:50
Jesus, Rod Beck died? Man … him and Mike Jackson were one of the great 1-2 closing punches in the mid-90s for the Giants. The Fu Manchu, the beer gut, the swinging arm … Rod Beck. That’s really too bad.
a different brad said,
June 25, 2007 at 4:33
Well donut, if you’re going to be an idiot tribalist, i’m gonna stand up for my tribe.
Retarded Donut said,
June 25, 2007 at 4:53
Hating the Yankees unites as many people as loving the Yankees. We can all be proud of our idiot tribalism.
Hating the Yankees is a hobby.
Hating the Pistons is a duty.
Lousy Pistons.
thelogos said,
June 25, 2007 at 5:01
So, how about those Bears? That was a sweet eagle that the handler scored from the safety zone, eh!
Red and Black said,
June 25, 2007 at 5:25
I (casually) watched the Saturday game while doing some housework, and was quite pleased by workout the NYY bullpen got, and all for a loss!
Dick Durata said,
June 25, 2007 at 7:38
The Hon. knows shit about baseball. Clemens needed to work a few innings and he flew all the way to SF, the game is all about killing two balls with one strike. Torre is a great manager, and I dislike the Yankees.
Go Giants! (Sob, it’s so cold in the cellar.)
DJ said,
June 25, 2007 at 13:26
If this was Clemens’s side day (two days after his last start, where a pitcher has a throwing session in the bullpen to keep his arm in good shape), it wasn’t a bad thing to use him. Especially if, as D.A. pointed out, Torre was otherwise out of pitchers.
MrWonderful said,
June 25, 2007 at 16:32
“for what he’s being paid”?
For what he’s being paid, Clemens should go from player to player on the opposing team and systematically bribe them into throwing the game.
Don’t get me started on what he’s being paid.
phil said,
June 25, 2007 at 16:59
Rod Beck played for the Red Sox too. Don’t think we aren’t sad.
NobodySpecial said,
June 25, 2007 at 17:29
Best Rod Beck moment I remember was someone asking him at some point about his….erm, lack of physical training. His response?
“I’ve never seen anyone go on the DL with pulled fat.”
Gus said,
June 25, 2007 at 22:23
Maybe he was hoping to make win number 350 an easy one.
Jay B. said,
June 26, 2007 at 0:01
BillBuckner said,
June 25, 2007 at 2:26
Hey retarded donut, your joke somehow snuck between my legs, under my glove, and rolled slowly into right field.
Ooooh. And YOUR joke would have hurt too, if it wasn’t for the, you know, the Yanks’ epic choke, the World Series win and the current ownership of the best record in baseball. When the Yanks or the Mets win a Series this century, I figure you’ll let us know.
Clay Robinson said,
June 26, 2007 at 4:09
If you want to know why Joe Torre sucks as a manager look at the bench. Those are his guys. Tonight at first base: Miguel Cairo.
Raznor said,
June 26, 2007 at 6:25
Torre didn’t win those World Series - Buck Schowalter built a great team out of crap, was fired, then Torre stayed out of their way. Then Schowalter went to Arizona, built a good team out of nothing, was fired, and Bob Brenley stayed out of their way. The baseball universe owes Buck Schowalter 5 World Series rings.
Tehanu said,
June 26, 2007 at 9:24
I liked it when Bonds patted, who was it, Robinson Cano? or Jeter? on the cheek when he (Bonds) stole second base the other night.