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	<description>Poise! Poise!</description>
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		<title>By: Open Source Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/616.html#comment-21641</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Around the OSP Blogs&lt;/strong&gt;

[Insert welcome message of your choice here. I&#039;ve run out of ideas.] At least I corrected the &quot;you choice&quot; part from last week&#039;s message. Natalie Davis on Reagan and Ted Rall&#039;s criticism thereof. Joe Flaherty rants about Republicans, racists, and...
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<p>[Insert welcome message of your choice here. I've run out of ideas.] At least I corrected the &#8220;you choice&#8221; part from last week&#8217;s message. Natalie Davis on Reagan and Ted Rall&#8217;s criticism thereof. Joe Flaherty rants about Republicans, racists, and&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JimMA</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/616.html#comment-21640</link>
		<dc:creator>JimMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, it&#039;s just provided for scale.  Now I understand.  I thought it might be left over from those days early in Canada&#039;s history, when voting was conducted under water and the ballots had to be hung out to dry.  Or something. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, it&#8217;s just provided for scale.  Now I understand.  I thought it might be left over from those days early in Canada&#8217;s history, when voting was conducted under water and the ballots had to be hung out to dry.  Or something. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No!</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/616.html#comment-21639</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xan writes: &quot;Where the hell did you find a clothespin??&quot;

JimMA adds: &quot;So what&#039;s the clothespin for?&quot;

Uh, just what do you folks use to fasten your clothes on a clothesline???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xan writes: &#8220;Where the hell did you find a clothespin??&#8221;</p>
<p>JimMA adds: &#8220;So what&#8217;s the clothespin for?&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, just what do you folks use to fasten your clothes on a clothesline???</p>
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		<title>By: JimMA</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/616.html#comment-21638</link>
		<dc:creator>JimMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s the clothespin for?  Does everyone who votes in Canada get one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s the clothespin for?  Does everyone who votes in Canada get one?</p>
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		<title>By: renato</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/616.html#comment-21637</link>
		<dc:creator>renato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be curious what the vote turnout is in Germany. Can you imagine if it was that way in this country? Shit, you&#039;d get 10% turnout.

Don&#039;t tell the fundies about this, though. They would love this kind of scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be curious what the vote turnout is in Germany. Can you imagine if it was that way in this country? Shit, you&#8217;d get 10% turnout.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t tell the fundies about this, though. They would love this kind of scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: renato</title>
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		<dc:creator>renato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow leave it to the Germans to make voting require an advanced degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow leave it to the Germans to make voting require an advanced degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Xan</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/616.html#comment-21635</link>
		<dc:creator>Xan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2004 05:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where the hell did you find a &lt;i&gt;clothespin&lt;/i&gt;?? And an old-style wood and spring type at that? I issue applause in your general direction. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where the hell did you find a <i>clothespin</i>?? And an old-style wood and spring type at that? I issue applause in your general direction. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Detlef</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/616.html#comment-21634</link>
		<dc:creator>Detlef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I?m sorry to have to correct you!
But sadly (no!) these are not
state elections only town council
and county (ist that the right word?)
elections. (Regional elections?)

State elections and federal elections
are still more simple. :)
More to the point, the idea behind that
&quot;fun&quot; :) is to give the ordinary citizen
more rights.
(And that?s the reason why this system or
similar systems is currently used only
in German regional elections. :) )

For your readers:
Political parties do have a lot of power in
German elections and the whole voting system
is pretty much centered around the political
parties.

For example candidates of any party are not
listed in alphabetical order but in order of
their importance/influence in any given party.
The party (party members) determine the order
of their candidates on the voting lists.
So if you just vote for a party list,
the first, then the second, the third candidate
(and so on) will get elected.
That was the &quot;old&quot; system.
For example the town/county council has 30
members. Your party got 50% of the votes so the
first 15 candidates on your list were elected. 

The idea behind this complicated voting system
is that you as a voter can decide to back up
candidate number 47 on the party list by
giving him/her three of your 60 votes and
(hopefully) propelling him/her upwards on
the &quot;list&quot;.
The 30 candidates (from my example) with the
most votes would get elected.
Leaving behind candidate 10 on the party list
for example.

And by creating your &quot;prefered list&quot; you can
vote for candidate A from party X, candidate B
from party Y, candidate C......
You get the idea.
You?re not restricted to just vote for one
party when you detest 50% of their candidates. :)
You can design your &quot;own&quot; town council.

Although I readily admit I believe that our
political parties made the &quot;new&quot; voting system
so complex in the hope that most voters won?t
bother to really distribute their votes. :)

60 votes for me and I can give up to three
votes for any candidate?
Why not give me one, three or five votes - to
keep it in one digits :) - and let me distribute
them like I choose.

So, I like the &quot;idea&quot; of the &quot;new&quot; system but
not how it was implemented.

Detlef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I?m sorry to have to correct you!<br />
But sadly (no!) these are not<br />
state elections only town council<br />
and county (ist that the right word?)<br />
elections. (Regional elections?)</p>
<p>State elections and federal elections<br />
are still more simple. :)<br />
More to the point, the idea behind that<br />
&#8220;fun&#8221; :) is to give the ordinary citizen<br />
more rights.<br />
(And that?s the reason why this system or<br />
similar systems is currently used only<br />
in German regional elections. :) )</p>
<p>For your readers:<br />
Political parties do have a lot of power in<br />
German elections and the whole voting system<br />
is pretty much centered around the political<br />
parties.</p>
<p>For example candidates of any party are not<br />
listed in alphabetical order but in order of<br />
their importance/influence in any given party.<br />
The party (party members) determine the order<br />
of their candidates on the voting lists.<br />
So if you just vote for a party list,<br />
the first, then the second, the third candidate<br />
(and so on) will get elected.<br />
That was the &#8220;old&#8221; system.<br />
For example the town/county council has 30<br />
members. Your party got 50% of the votes so the<br />
first 15 candidates on your list were elected. </p>
<p>The idea behind this complicated voting system<br />
is that you as a voter can decide to back up<br />
candidate number 47 on the party list by<br />
giving him/her three of your 60 votes and<br />
(hopefully) propelling him/her upwards on<br />
the &#8220;list&#8221;.<br />
The 30 candidates (from my example) with the<br />
most votes would get elected.<br />
Leaving behind candidate 10 on the party list<br />
for example.</p>
<p>And by creating your &#8220;prefered list&#8221; you can<br />
vote for candidate A from party X, candidate B<br />
from party Y, candidate C&#8230;&#8230;<br />
You get the idea.<br />
You?re not restricted to just vote for one<br />
party when you detest 50% of their candidates. :)<br />
You can design your &#8220;own&#8221; town council.</p>
<p>Although I readily admit I believe that our<br />
political parties made the &#8220;new&#8221; voting system<br />
so complex in the hope that most voters won?t<br />
bother to really distribute their votes. :)</p>
<p>60 votes for me and I can give up to three<br />
votes for any candidate?<br />
Why not give me one, three or five votes &#8211; to<br />
keep it in one digits :) &#8211; and let me distribute<br />
them like I choose.</p>
<p>So, I like the &#8220;idea&#8221; of the &#8220;new&#8221; system but<br />
not how it was implemented.</p>
<p>Detlef</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/616.html#comment-21633</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Netherlands you also vote for a party member. Each political party has it&#039;s own &quot;list number&quot; so you vote for list/candidate.

This is what a Dutch voting computer looks like:

http://www.zowerkt.nl/rechten/images/uitleg/stemmachine_geheel.jpg

As you see there is quite a lot of choice :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Netherlands you also vote for a party member. Each political party has it&#8217;s own &#8220;list number&#8221; so you vote for list/candidate.</p>
<p>This is what a Dutch voting computer looks like:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zowerkt.nl/rechten/images/uitleg/stemmachine_geheel.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.zowerkt.nl/rechten/images/uitleg/stemmachine_geheel.jpg</a></p>
<p>As you see there is quite a lot of choice :D</p>
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		<title>By: Iceman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iceman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2004 02:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many European countries, the complex rules are designed to keep a far-right party that might be able to get 5% of the vote from getting any seats at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many European countries, the complex rules are designed to keep a far-right party that might be able to get 5% of the vote from getting any seats at all.</p>
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