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		<title>By: Hadassa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hadassa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys. I feel about airplanes the way I feel about diets. It seems to me they are wonderful things for other people to go on. Help me! Help to find sites on the: Current good cheap stocks buy. I found only this - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comune.farageradadda.bg.it/Members/CheapStocks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cheap tech stocks&lt;/a&gt;. Cheap stocks, these non-renewable riflemen in the many program told to look the youngsters of the previous local glycol shops. By 2025, there will be everywhere 2 shares supporting for every hype, cheap stocks. With love :rolleyes:, Hadassa from Islands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys. I feel about airplanes the way I feel about diets. It seems to me they are wonderful things for other people to go on. Help me! Help to find sites on the: Current good cheap stocks buy. I found only this &#8211; <a href="http://www.comune.farageradadda.bg.it/Members/CheapStocks" rel="nofollow">cheap tech stocks</a>. Cheap stocks, these non-renewable riflemen in the many program told to look the youngsters of the previous local glycol shops. By 2025, there will be everywhere 2 shares supporting for every hype, cheap stocks. With love :rolleyes:, Hadassa from Islands.</p>
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		<title>By: DelRPCV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DelRPCV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No dissin&#039; Aaron Burr.  You do realize he didn&#039; t run on a ticket with the authoritarian Jefferson, and actually tied him in 1800?  That election wasn&#039;t resolved until the House had voted several times.  Plus Hamilton was a tool who had it coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No dissin&#8217; Aaron Burr.  You do realize he didn&#8217; t run on a ticket with the authoritarian Jefferson, and actually tied him in 1800?  That election wasn&#8217;t resolved until the House had voted several times.  Plus Hamilton was a tool who had it coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Mondale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Mondale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teddy Roosevelt was a very odd inclusion there.  Whether or not you think he was a good President, a good American, a good General, or whatever -- he hardly was a &quot;loser&quot; by any definition of which I am aware and certainly not at all comparable to the others you included.  Very bizarre inclusion, frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teddy Roosevelt was a very odd inclusion there.  Whether or not you think he was a good President, a good American, a good General, or whatever &#8212; he hardly was a &#8220;loser&#8221; by any definition of which I am aware and certainly not at all comparable to the others you included.  Very bizarre inclusion, frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6120.html#comment-206962</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not exactly fair to dismiss Burr as a &quot;killer.&quot;  For one thing, he wasn&#039;t a killer when he was elected to the Vice Presidency and for another he killed Hamilton in a duel.  It was, I believe, Hamilton&#039;s THIRTIETH duel, by the way.  It&#039;s not as if Burr ambushed him on his way home from the public house.

Besides which, Burr was totally awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not exactly fair to dismiss Burr as a &#8220;killer.&#8221;  For one thing, he wasn&#8217;t a killer when he was elected to the Vice Presidency and for another he killed Hamilton in a duel.  It was, I believe, Hamilton&#8217;s THIRTIETH duel, by the way.  It&#8217;s not as if Burr ambushed him on his way home from the public house.</p>
<p>Besides which, Burr was totally awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo's Bike Shop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo's Bike Shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a Vogon.</description>
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		<title>By: bluestatedon</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6120.html#comment-206860</link>
		<dc:creator>bluestatedon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 02:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I donâ€™t get the impression he has much of a grand ideological theory or plan of action that goes beyond â€œI got mine, and screw the rest of the worldâ€?.&quot;

While it&#039;s certainly accurate to say that Cheney wants to screw the rest of the world, he actually does have a long record of devotion to one particular ideology: the unitary executive theory. Charlie Savage of the Boston Globe did some great investigative work back in 2006 focusing on Cheney&#039;s obsession with increasing Presidential power, which seems to have gotten kick-started with Watergate. When in 1987 Congress issued a report on the Iran-Contra scandal, Cheney authored a dissenting section rejecting the conclusions of the Democratic majority, instead asserting that Congress has no power over the President when it comes to national security matters. For over three decades, Cheney has been seething with indignation over the injustices done to his beloved Imperial Presidency, and has used his time as Veep to implement his perverted view of the Constitution, with the help of such loons as Yoo and Addington.

What&#039;s very telling is that all of these demented advocates of a thoroughly militarized American societyâ€”Cheney, Rumsfeld, Addington, the Kagans, and Kristol principal among themâ€” share one important characteristic: not one of them ever spent one minute in uniform. However romantic their notions of military life and warfare are, they had no intentions of submitting themselves to the discipline and risk inherent in the military life they glorify. Certainly their children will not serve, either; that would get in the way of business school. For me, that&#039;s what makes these men so spectacularly pathetic. They are all quivering hypocrites who would foul their pants if they had to face live ammunition.

One minor point: the article sparking this discussion mentioned &quot;forgettable losers as Vice-Presidents of the United States&quot; and included Teddy Roosevelt. Lumping him in with the likes of Agnew and Van Buren doesn&#039;t do justice to TR&#039;s achievements in such areas as the creation of the National Parks and fighting the trustsâ€”imagine a Republican President advocating forcefully for the environment and against unwarranted concentrations of economic power today! Forgettable he was not, nor a loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I donâ€™t get the impression he has much of a grand ideological theory or plan of action that goes beyond â€œI got mine, and screw the rest of the worldâ€?.&#8221;</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s certainly accurate to say that Cheney wants to screw the rest of the world, he actually does have a long record of devotion to one particular ideology: the unitary executive theory. Charlie Savage of the Boston Globe did some great investigative work back in 2006 focusing on Cheney&#8217;s obsession with increasing Presidential power, which seems to have gotten kick-started with Watergate. When in 1987 Congress issued a report on the Iran-Contra scandal, Cheney authored a dissenting section rejecting the conclusions of the Democratic majority, instead asserting that Congress has no power over the President when it comes to national security matters. For over three decades, Cheney has been seething with indignation over the injustices done to his beloved Imperial Presidency, and has used his time as Veep to implement his perverted view of the Constitution, with the help of such loons as Yoo and Addington.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s very telling is that all of these demented advocates of a thoroughly militarized American societyâ€”Cheney, Rumsfeld, Addington, the Kagans, and Kristol principal among themâ€” share one important characteristic: not one of them ever spent one minute in uniform. However romantic their notions of military life and warfare are, they had no intentions of submitting themselves to the discipline and risk inherent in the military life they glorify. Certainly their children will not serve, either; that would get in the way of business school. For me, that&#8217;s what makes these men so spectacularly pathetic. They are all quivering hypocrites who would foul their pants if they had to face live ammunition.</p>
<p>One minor point: the article sparking this discussion mentioned &#8220;forgettable losers as Vice-Presidents of the United States&#8221; and included Teddy Roosevelt. Lumping him in with the likes of Agnew and Van Buren doesn&#8217;t do justice to TR&#8217;s achievements in such areas as the creation of the National Parks and fighting the trustsâ€”imagine a Republican President advocating forcefully for the environment and against unwarranted concentrations of economic power today! Forgettable he was not, nor a loser.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6120.html#comment-206768</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the vice-president most comparable to Cheney in terms of amorality and ambition is Nixon himself. But rather than a president who had hidden in the Texas Air National Guard, and then deserted that when he got bored, Nixon had a boss who had led the Allied forces in WW2. Thus Nixon didn&#039;t get his way as VP, while Cheney has trampled all over people&#039;s lives and the US Constitution.

Luckily for us, Cheney&#039;s heart isn&#039;t likely to last long enough for a PR makeover sufficient for him to stand in 4 or 8 years time as a credible candidate. Plus Cheney may shoot himself when he goes hunting, being the most obvious old coot close to hand.

Anyone interested in ideas that Cheney may have true neoconservative &#039;principles&#039;, rather than pure greed and bloody-mindedness, should catch &#039;The Power of Nightmares&#039; if they can - a 3 part, 3 hour documentary from the BBC, available on YouTube and via BitTorrent. It&#039;s all about Team B, Leo Strauss, the neoconservatives, and their mirror image - the Islamists who ended up sending airliners into buildings, and thus shored up the neoconservative regime no end. Both sets of ideologies see the modern West as decadent, and in need of some moral fibre - with the end justifying the means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the vice-president most comparable to Cheney in terms of amorality and ambition is Nixon himself. But rather than a president who had hidden in the Texas Air National Guard, and then deserted that when he got bored, Nixon had a boss who had led the Allied forces in WW2. Thus Nixon didn&#8217;t get his way as VP, while Cheney has trampled all over people&#8217;s lives and the US Constitution.</p>
<p>Luckily for us, Cheney&#8217;s heart isn&#8217;t likely to last long enough for a PR makeover sufficient for him to stand in 4 or 8 years time as a credible candidate. Plus Cheney may shoot himself when he goes hunting, being the most obvious old coot close to hand.</p>
<p>Anyone interested in ideas that Cheney may have true neoconservative &#8216;principles&#8217;, rather than pure greed and bloody-mindedness, should catch &#8216;The Power of Nightmares&#8217; if they can &#8211; a 3 part, 3 hour documentary from the BBC, available on YouTube and via BitTorrent. It&#8217;s all about Team B, Leo Strauss, the neoconservatives, and their mirror image &#8211; the Islamists who ended up sending airliners into buildings, and thus shored up the neoconservative regime no end. Both sets of ideologies see the modern West as decadent, and in need of some moral fibre &#8211; with the end justifying the means.</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6120.html#comment-206676</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, how do you manufacture the conditions which would facilitate that social goal? Destroy the welfare state as much as possible, first, but since Reagan was meant to do that and failed, take the long route â€” manufacture or exaggerate foriegn policy crises so that society will be militarized. Reward the ruthless tendencies among the â€˜Jacksonian baseâ€™ that war excites. Play to this strength. Make Americans distrust everyone but those who inflame the crises. Make them armed to the teeth and resentful of everything. At the same time, make them financially desperate â€” no safety net. Blame Islamists, minorities, immigrants, big government, pointy headed liberals for all problems. Stir.&lt;/i&gt;

Aren&#039;t they aware of what happened to Imperial Japan?

During the Great Depression, Japanese peasant farmers were on the verge of starvation, and most Japanese soldiers were terrified of losing their jobs.  Their solution was to start a war without the government&#039;s permission (in Manchuria) as war would require a big army and thus give them job security.  Any politician in Tokyo who tried to stop them was simply assassinated.

Ever wonder why a maritime power like Japan did something as stupid as start a massive land war in Asia?  It was because the war was launched not in the national interest of Japan but in the careerist interests of the Imperial Japanese Army itself.  Unfortunately for Japan, the Chinese tar-baby could cry for help, leading to economic embargoes which ultimately left Pearl Harbor as seemingly the only way out for the Japanese military.

At least Japan was (initially at least) an innocent victim of the Great Depression.  The neocons though plan to &lt;i&gt;engineer&lt;/i&gt; desperate economic conditions for Americans in order to create similar militarism in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, how do you manufacture the conditions which would facilitate that social goal? Destroy the welfare state as much as possible, first, but since Reagan was meant to do that and failed, take the long route â€” manufacture or exaggerate foriegn policy crises so that society will be militarized. Reward the ruthless tendencies among the â€˜Jacksonian baseâ€™ that war excites. Play to this strength. Make Americans distrust everyone but those who inflame the crises. Make them armed to the teeth and resentful of everything. At the same time, make them financially desperate â€” no safety net. Blame Islamists, minorities, immigrants, big government, pointy headed liberals for all problems. Stir.</i></p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t they aware of what happened to Imperial Japan?</p>
<p>During the Great Depression, Japanese peasant farmers were on the verge of starvation, and most Japanese soldiers were terrified of losing their jobs.  Their solution was to start a war without the government&#8217;s permission (in Manchuria) as war would require a big army and thus give them job security.  Any politician in Tokyo who tried to stop them was simply assassinated.</p>
<p>Ever wonder why a maritime power like Japan did something as stupid as start a massive land war in Asia?  It was because the war was launched not in the national interest of Japan but in the careerist interests of the Imperial Japanese Army itself.  Unfortunately for Japan, the Chinese tar-baby could cry for help, leading to economic embargoes which ultimately left Pearl Harbor as seemingly the only way out for the Japanese military.</p>
<p>At least Japan was (initially at least) an innocent victim of the Great Depression.  The neocons though plan to <i>engineer</i> desperate economic conditions for Americans in order to create similar militarism in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Hayden</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6120.html#comment-206584</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheney&#039;s original motivations are pretty well documented. But his motivation was changed by the dismissal of his longtime fuckbuddy, Rummy. Now it&#039;s about revenge.

If the Democrats or the US majority want something, by God he&#039;ll never allow it.

Cheney is Libby&#039;s bear that&#039;s been prodded with a stick. He&#039;s aroused and we&#039;re all gonna get regularly fupped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheney&#8217;s original motivations are pretty well documented. But his motivation was changed by the dismissal of his longtime fuckbuddy, Rummy. Now it&#8217;s about revenge.</p>
<p>If the Democrats or the US majority want something, by God he&#8217;ll never allow it.</p>
<p>Cheney is Libby&#8217;s bear that&#8217;s been prodded with a stick. He&#8217;s aroused and we&#8217;re all gonna get regularly fupped.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6120.html#comment-206574</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What an awful excuse for a human being he is.&quot;

Wait a sec, he&#039;s human? This changes everything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What an awful excuse for a human being he is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait a sec, he&#8217;s human? This changes everything!</p>
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		<title>By: kingubu</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6120.html#comment-206572</link>
		<dc:creator>kingubu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A long quote, but the ideas illuminated here capture the essence of the Wingnut mindset and deserve to be repeated and repeated:

&lt;i&gt;Itâ€™s odd, but reading through Frum has convinced me that Rethugs, and neocons specifically, reason (if you can call it that) backwards to what we on the Left suppose. Their primary concern is with character. As I mentioned on another post, they want Americans to be like the Donner Party (no, really). So, how do you manufacture the conditions which would facilitate that social goal? Destroy the welfare state as much as possible, first, but since Reagan was meant to do that and failed, take the long route â€” manufacture or exaggerate foriegn policy crises so that society will be militarized. Reward the ruthless tendencies among the â€˜Jacksonian baseâ€™ that war excites. Play to this strength. Make Americans distrust everyone but those who inflame the crises. Make them armed to the teeth and resentful of everything. At the same time, make them financially desperate â€” no safety net. Blame Islamists, minorities, immigrants, big government, pointy headed liberals for all problems. Stir&lt;/i&gt;

Yup. The recurring Western myth of the human soul made pure and strong in the crucible of adversity. Cooperation, diplomacy, empathy, inalienable human rights, egalitarianism, broad freedom from fear and want-- to the Wingnut mind these are not virtues but self-destructive weaknesses and their advocates are the Enemy of the Good.

It begins with the revisionist retelling of the fall of Rome. Blind to the fact that the (realatively) cheap short-term wealth gained by conquest inevitably leaves an imperial power with a far-flung and expensive empire to maintain (as well as little or no economic infrastructure at home, apart from the the training of more and more soldiers) they instead try to pin it all on &quot;moral decay&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long quote, but the ideas illuminated here capture the essence of the Wingnut mindset and deserve to be repeated and repeated:</p>
<p><i>Itâ€™s odd, but reading through Frum has convinced me that Rethugs, and neocons specifically, reason (if you can call it that) backwards to what we on the Left suppose. Their primary concern is with character. As I mentioned on another post, they want Americans to be like the Donner Party (no, really). So, how do you manufacture the conditions which would facilitate that social goal? Destroy the welfare state as much as possible, first, but since Reagan was meant to do that and failed, take the long route â€” manufacture or exaggerate foriegn policy crises so that society will be militarized. Reward the ruthless tendencies among the â€˜Jacksonian baseâ€™ that war excites. Play to this strength. Make Americans distrust everyone but those who inflame the crises. Make them armed to the teeth and resentful of everything. At the same time, make them financially desperate â€” no safety net. Blame Islamists, minorities, immigrants, big government, pointy headed liberals for all problems. Stir</i></p>
<p>Yup. The recurring Western myth of the human soul made pure and strong in the crucible of adversity. Cooperation, diplomacy, empathy, inalienable human rights, egalitarianism, broad freedom from fear and want&#8211; to the Wingnut mind these are not virtues but self-destructive weaknesses and their advocates are the Enemy of the Good.</p>
<p>It begins with the revisionist retelling of the fall of Rome. Blind to the fact that the (realatively) cheap short-term wealth gained by conquest inevitably leaves an imperial power with a far-flung and expensive empire to maintain (as well as little or no economic infrastructure at home, apart from the the training of more and more soldiers) they instead try to pin it all on &#8220;moral decay&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: celticgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>celticgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a side issue, but do you think his dodgy health is also part of what is driving this urgency with Cheney?  I mean it&#039;s possible he&#039;s sharpened his lazer-like focus &#039;cause, you know, the Grim Reaper has been breathing down his neck for while?  

Also, wouldn&#039;t it be interesting if at the next commencement speech Cheney gives everybody showed up with an I-Pod under their gown? LIke 1000 I-Pods in the same room with Cheney? 

...what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a side issue, but do you think his dodgy health is also part of what is driving this urgency with Cheney?  I mean it&#8217;s possible he&#8217;s sharpened his lazer-like focus &#8217;cause, you know, the Grim Reaper has been breathing down his neck for while?  </p>
<p>Also, wouldn&#8217;t it be interesting if at the next commencement speech Cheney gives everybody showed up with an I-Pod under their gown? LIke 1000 I-Pods in the same room with Cheney? </p>
<p>&#8230;what?</p>
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		<title>By: Snorghagen</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6120.html#comment-206548</link>
		<dc:creator>Snorghagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The neocon movement goes back way before the ninetiesâ€¦&lt;/i&gt;

True, but it was in the 1990s - after the collapse of their traditional boogeyman, the Soviet Union - that they began focusing their beady little eyes largely on the Middle East, which has led to the well-known results.

&lt;i&gt;You seem to have answered your own perplexity there, Snorghagen.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, you&#039;re right. The 1990s was not a frightening time internationally for most people, but the neo-cons are a self-enclosed group, almost a cult. The end of the Cold War seems to have been traumatic &lt;i&gt;for them&lt;/i&gt;. The experience pushed them even further into the outer limits of militant paranoia, where they still reside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The neocon movement goes back way before the ninetiesâ€¦</i></p>
<p>True, but it was in the 1990s &#8211; after the collapse of their traditional boogeyman, the Soviet Union &#8211; that they began focusing their beady little eyes largely on the Middle East, which has led to the well-known results.</p>
<p><i>You seem to have answered your own perplexity there, Snorghagen.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, you&#8217;re right. The 1990s was not a frightening time internationally for most people, but the neo-cons are a self-enclosed group, almost a cult. The end of the Cold War seems to have been traumatic <i>for them</i>. The experience pushed them even further into the outer limits of militant paranoia, where they still reside.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6120.html#comment-206542</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Anyway, I think Cheneyâ€™s a True Believer in it and just because heâ€™s also cynical enough to get his own in the process is not a repudiation of his sincereity â€” itâ€™s simply a part of being a true Believer in this particularly noxious ideology.&lt;/i&gt;

You could be right; I&#039;ve read way more articles than books, especially books by the neocons themselves, because I&#039;m old enough that looking at that crap unmediated is bad for my blood pressure (not to mention it scares the dogs when I fling fat books across the room).  It&#039;s possible that Cheney has become a convert to the &lt;i&gt;&quot;America is surrounded by enemies and needs its manlihood purified in the fire of war&quot;&lt;/i&gt; bilge that so excites the genuinely political malificents who surround him.  Recent personal reminders of his own mortality, combined with the knowledge that this is truly his Last Hurrah professionally, might have moved him from user to believer.  But he&#039;s still a drab grey monster, albeit a monster in his every clotted corpuscule.  If there are historians around in a hundred years&#039; time, he may get some attention as the first Vice President to run the country *without* the aid of an assassin.  But when they rank his &quot;achievements&quot;, I suspect he&#039;ll be listed with Buchanan rather than, say, Polk -- as a bad choice whose failures were passive rather than active.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Anyway, I think Cheneyâ€™s a True Believer in it and just because heâ€™s also cynical enough to get his own in the process is not a repudiation of his sincereity â€” itâ€™s simply a part of being a true Believer in this particularly noxious ideology.</i></p>
<p>You could be right; I&#8217;ve read way more articles than books, especially books by the neocons themselves, because I&#8217;m old enough that looking at that crap unmediated is bad for my blood pressure (not to mention it scares the dogs when I fling fat books across the room).  It&#8217;s possible that Cheney has become a convert to the <i>&#8220;America is surrounded by enemies and needs its manlihood purified in the fire of war&#8221;</i> bilge that so excites the genuinely political malificents who surround him.  Recent personal reminders of his own mortality, combined with the knowledge that this is truly his Last Hurrah professionally, might have moved him from user to believer.  But he&#8217;s still a drab grey monster, albeit a monster in his every clotted corpuscule.  If there are historians around in a hundred years&#8217; time, he may get some attention as the first Vice President to run the country *without* the aid of an assassin.  But when they rank his &#8220;achievements&#8221;, I suspect he&#8217;ll be listed with Buchanan rather than, say, Polk &#8212; as a bad choice whose failures were passive rather than active.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthethunderdontgetyaâ„¢Â³Â²Â®Â©</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifthethunderdontgetyaâ„¢Â³Â²Â®Â©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary come home for the Preview, stay for the pie!</description>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Bimler</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;March to freedom&quot;... check.
Creative spelling... check.
It certainly sounds like our Ruppert. Gary come home, try the Preview!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;March to freedom&#8221;&#8230; check.<br />
Creative spelling&#8230; check.<br />
It certainly sounds like our Ruppert. Gary come home, try the Preview!</p>
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		<title>By: ignobility</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The neocon movement goes back way before the nineties---way back to the 50&#039;s and a man named Albert Wohlstetter, according to this month&#039;s TAP.  He believed that any country possessing nuclear weapons would use them at any time, so we should destroy them before they destroyed us, ergo: pre-emptive war.  He was the inspiration for   Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby, et al, and I&#039;m sure that Cheney buys into this same philosophy.  That&#039;s why Cheney&#039;s so intent on bombing Iran: kill the enemy in case he might just by some small chance decide to kill me.  One problem is, it&#039;s an insane philosophy.  It&#039;s like saying, &quot;One of my neighbors might break into my house and kill me, so I&#039;m going to kill all of them first.&quot;  It&#039;s mass murderer talk.

As an aside, Juan Cole reports that the percentage of people who view Iran as a threat has risen from 20% to 27% in the last few months.  Oh, the value of propaganda!  Don&#039;t discount Cheney&#039;s clout just yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The neocon movement goes back way before the nineties&#8212;way back to the 50&#8242;s and a man named Albert Wohlstetter, according to this month&#8217;s TAP.  He believed that any country possessing nuclear weapons would use them at any time, so we should destroy them before they destroyed us, ergo: pre-emptive war.  He was the inspiration for   Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby, et al, and I&#8217;m sure that Cheney buys into this same philosophy.  That&#8217;s why Cheney&#8217;s so intent on bombing Iran: kill the enemy in case he might just by some small chance decide to kill me.  One problem is, it&#8217;s an insane philosophy.  It&#8217;s like saying, &#8220;One of my neighbors might break into my house and kill me, so I&#8217;m going to kill all of them first.&#8221;  It&#8217;s mass murderer talk.</p>
<p>As an aside, Juan Cole reports that the percentage of people who view Iran as a threat has risen from 20% to 27% in the last few months.  Oh, the value of propaganda!  Don&#8217;t discount Cheney&#8217;s clout just yet.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthethunderdontgetyaâ„¢Â³Â²Â®Â©</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifthethunderdontgetyaâ„¢Â³Â²Â®Â©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
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All this liberal slander and bile will not change Americaâ€™s march to freedom, but it will serve as evidence of your dysloyalty to the USA when you are put in camps. Bill Oâ€™Reilly is right â€” you so-called progressives think you are better than everyone else. Here in the heartland, we are taking you down a peg.

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/03/cheney-challenges-rice-on-multiple-fronts/#comment-3837187&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Comment by Gary Ruppert â€” June 3, 2007 @ 10:03 am&lt;/a&gt;

P.S. Who&#039;s peg?</description>
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<p>All this liberal slander and bile will not change Americaâ€™s march to freedom, but it will serve as evidence of your dysloyalty to the USA when you are put in camps. Bill Oâ€™Reilly is right â€” you so-called progressives think you are better than everyone else. Here in the heartland, we are taking you down a peg.</p>
<p></i><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/03/cheney-challenges-rice-on-multiple-fronts/#comment-3837187" rel="nofollow">Comment by Gary Ruppert â€” June 3, 2007 @ 10:03 am</a></p>
<p>P.S. Who&#8217;s peg?</p>
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		<title>By: Innocent Bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Innocent Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheney loves war...as long as he&#039;s not personally doing the fighting.  But he really, really loves reading his monthly stock portfolio net balance.  War has been very good to Dick Cheney and those 400,000 Halliburton options he holds are going to be worth lots of money by the time he finishes his term.  In fact, he&#039;s probably trying to lock in these returns for the next decade or so.    

Anyone else think it might not be a good idea to have our Executive Branch office holders heavily invested in military stocks?

You&#039;d be hard pressed to find another world-class war profiteer/war monger quite so brazen as Dick Cheney...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheney loves war&#8230;as long as he&#8217;s not personally doing the fighting.  But he really, really loves reading his monthly stock portfolio net balance.  War has been very good to Dick Cheney and those 400,000 Halliburton options he holds are going to be worth lots of money by the time he finishes his term.  In fact, he&#8217;s probably trying to lock in these returns for the next decade or so.    </p>
<p>Anyone else think it might not be a good idea to have our Executive Branch office holders heavily invested in military stocks?</p>
<p>You&#8217;d be hard pressed to find another world-class war profiteer/war monger quite so brazen as Dick Cheney&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: HTML Mencken</title>
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		<dc:creator>HTML Mencken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Itâ€™s â€˜Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy.â€™ &lt;/i&gt;

WOW. Thanks, I think. Jesus Christ.

AL: I think you&#039;re right about how Dick got where he is, but maybe underestimate his legitimate zeal for war and aggression. It&#039;s more than just a means to a financial ends to him, I think, and maybe even more than just about serving the needs of political power. 

Rise of the Vulcans IIRC sort of painted Cheney as an accidental neocon -- an average Republican who was waylaid by 9/11 into adopting the whole Norman Podhoretz weltanshauung. I think that&#039;s wrong. Now it&#039;s true that you describe some of his tendencies perfectly -- and some is even inspired, bravo, Annie Laurie, I mean it, he is the crassest of all of them -- but I think he actually believes all the hype. 

Part of what neocons want to change about American character by making in more militaristic is that, in mistaking ruthlessness for rugged self-reliance, it wants it to be more &#039;masculine&#039; and less &#039;feminine&#039;, more social darwinist and less egalitarian and cooperative. Cheney really believes in that stuff; like all Delta male rejects who are connected enough to find money and power, he thinks he&#039;s lived a meritocratic life, is an alpha male, is cream risen to the top. Hence his geopolitical ruthlessness, his perpetual snarl, his &#039;CEO Presidency&#039; (perfect, that, thanks) style is part and parcel of this primary psychological setting.

It&#039;s odd, but reading through Frum has convinced me that Rethugs, and neocons specifically, reason (if you can call it that) backwards to what we on the Left suppose. Their primary concern is with character. As I mentioned on another post, they want Americans to be like the Donner Party (no, really). So, how do you manufacture the conditions which would facilitate that social goal? Destroy the welfare state as much as possible, first, but since Reagan was meant to do that and failed, take the long route -- manufacture or exaggerate foriegn policy crises so that society will be militarized. Reward the ruthless tendencies among the &#039;Jacksonian base&#039; that war excites. Play to this strength. Make Americans distrust everyone but those who inflame the crises. Make them armed to the teeth and resentful of everything. At the same time, make them financially desperate -- no safety net. Blame Islamists, minorities, immigrants, big government, pointy headed liberals for all problems. Stir.

Hopefully the product is a society which accepts &#039;living on the edge&#039; (&#039;dynamism&#039; is the happy euphemism) economically, which will turn to family in times of crisis or perish without protest (finding some solace in religion, naturally). OTOH, this same society will need to serve the state which is in constant &#039;existential peril&#039; from enemies abroad and enemies within.

Of course neocons view this as the near-perfection of the American polity. We of course see it for what it really is, a Hofferian mass movement and the Friekorpsization of the USA.

THAT&#039;s what we&#039;re up against. Anyway, I think Cheney&#039;s a True Believer in it and just because he&#039;s also cynical enough to get his own in the process is not a repudiation of his sincereity -- it&#039;s simply a part of being a true Believer in this particularly noxious ideology.

Sorry to ramble; tired. Night, all.</description>
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<p>WOW. Thanks, I think. Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>AL: I think you&#8217;re right about how Dick got where he is, but maybe underestimate his legitimate zeal for war and aggression. It&#8217;s more than just a means to a financial ends to him, I think, and maybe even more than just about serving the needs of political power. </p>
<p>Rise of the Vulcans IIRC sort of painted Cheney as an accidental neocon &#8212; an average Republican who was waylaid by 9/11 into adopting the whole Norman Podhoretz weltanshauung. I think that&#8217;s wrong. Now it&#8217;s true that you describe some of his tendencies perfectly &#8212; and some is even inspired, bravo, Annie Laurie, I mean it, he is the crassest of all of them &#8212; but I think he actually believes all the hype. </p>
<p>Part of what neocons want to change about American character by making in more militaristic is that, in mistaking ruthlessness for rugged self-reliance, it wants it to be more &#8216;masculine&#8217; and less &#8216;feminine&#8217;, more social darwinist and less egalitarian and cooperative. Cheney really believes in that stuff; like all Delta male rejects who are connected enough to find money and power, he thinks he&#8217;s lived a meritocratic life, is an alpha male, is cream risen to the top. Hence his geopolitical ruthlessness, his perpetual snarl, his &#8216;CEO Presidency&#8217; (perfect, that, thanks) style is part and parcel of this primary psychological setting.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s odd, but reading through Frum has convinced me that Rethugs, and neocons specifically, reason (if you can call it that) backwards to what we on the Left suppose. Their primary concern is with character. As I mentioned on another post, they want Americans to be like the Donner Party (no, really). So, how do you manufacture the conditions which would facilitate that social goal? Destroy the welfare state as much as possible, first, but since Reagan was meant to do that and failed, take the long route &#8212; manufacture or exaggerate foriegn policy crises so that society will be militarized. Reward the ruthless tendencies among the &#8216;Jacksonian base&#8217; that war excites. Play to this strength. Make Americans distrust everyone but those who inflame the crises. Make them armed to the teeth and resentful of everything. At the same time, make them financially desperate &#8212; no safety net. Blame Islamists, minorities, immigrants, big government, pointy headed liberals for all problems. Stir.</p>
<p>Hopefully the product is a society which accepts &#8216;living on the edge&#8217; (&#8216;dynamism&#8217; is the happy euphemism) economically, which will turn to family in times of crisis or perish without protest (finding some solace in religion, naturally). OTOH, this same society will need to serve the state which is in constant &#8216;existential peril&#8217; from enemies abroad and enemies within.</p>
<p>Of course neocons view this as the near-perfection of the American polity. We of course see it for what it really is, a Hofferian mass movement and the Friekorpsization of the USA.</p>
<p>THAT&#8217;s what we&#8217;re up against. Anyway, I think Cheney&#8217;s a True Believer in it and just because he&#8217;s also cynical enough to get his own in the process is not a repudiation of his sincereity &#8212; it&#8217;s simply a part of being a true Believer in this particularly noxious ideology.</p>
<p>Sorry to ramble; tired. Night, all.</p>
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