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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; Super Wingnut: Rich Lowry (Part III)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; Super Wingnut: Rich Lowry (Part III)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wingnuts is the militarization of American society; in order to effect wingnut policies at home, war must be sustained abroad. Thus, &#8220;we&#8217;re winning&#8221; even when &#8220;we&#8217;re&#8221; not. Thus, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wingnuts is the militarization of American society; in order to effect wingnut policies at home, war must be sustained abroad. Thus, &#8220;we&#8217;re winning&#8221; even when &#8220;we&#8217;re&#8221; not. Thus, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; Why They (Send Others To) Fight</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-300889</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; Why They (Send Others To) Fight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] political. They love war &#8212; from a safe distance &#8212; because it serves so many needs, the most practical being the one Francis Fukuyama disclosed: I think in the case of Bill Kristol and The Weekly Standard [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] political. They love war &#8212; from a safe distance &#8212; because it serves so many needs, the most practical being the one Francis Fukuyama disclosed: I think in the case of Bill Kristol and The Weekly Standard [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; Super Wingnut: Rich Lowry</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-251362</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; Super Wingnut: Rich Lowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wingnuts is the militarization of American society; in order to effect wingnut policies at home, war must be sustained abroad. Thus, &#8220;we&#8217;re winning&#8221; even when &#8220;we&#8217;re&#8221; not. Thus, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wingnuts is the militarization of American society; in order to effect wingnut policies at home, war must be sustained abroad. Thus, &#8220;we&#8217;re winning&#8221; even when &#8220;we&#8217;re&#8221; not. Thus, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; The Son of Heaven &#38; Sons of Bitches</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-208051</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; The Son of Heaven &#38; Sons of Bitches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And a note to trolls: try not to fall into the undistributed middle fallacy, as does Dr. DeLong. One can be against the reflexive and corporate-whorish ass-kissing of the authoritarian Chicom government without advocating a New Cold War a la 1995 model Bill Kristol or Richard Cheney&#8217;s goons in early 2001. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And a note to trolls: try not to fall into the undistributed middle fallacy, as does Dr. DeLong. One can be against the reflexive and corporate-whorish ass-kissing of the authoritarian Chicom government without advocating a New Cold War a la 1995 model Bill Kristol or Richard Cheney&#8217;s goons in early 2001. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Snorghagen</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-206917</link>
		<dc:creator>Snorghagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ironically, 9/11 may have averted a Taiwan/China/US warâ€¦&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s my impression, too. We certainly avoided some very dangerous shit in East Asia. Between Bush&#039;s installation as president and 9/11, some of the leading neo-cons were publicly calling for both &#039;regime change&#039; in Beijing &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; war with Iraq. At that point, they were so intoxicated by having gotten into power that they thought they could do it all. But 9/11 caused them to fixate on the Middle East.

I don&#039;t think economic issues are the main motivation for the neo-cons. What gets these guys off is trying to play geo-politics on the grand scale and imagining themselves to be imperial masterminds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ironically, 9/11 may have averted a Taiwan/China/US warâ€¦</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s my impression, too. We certainly avoided some very dangerous shit in East Asia. Between Bush&#8217;s installation as president and 9/11, some of the leading neo-cons were publicly calling for both &#8216;regime change&#8217; in Beijing <i>and</i> war with Iraq. At that point, they were so intoxicated by having gotten into power that they thought they could do it all. But 9/11 caused them to fixate on the Middle East.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think economic issues are the main motivation for the neo-cons. What gets these guys off is trying to play geo-politics on the grand scale and imagining themselves to be imperial masterminds.</p>
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		<title>By: billy pilgrim</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-206782</link>
		<dc:creator>billy pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jade-Kevin:

You ignorant slut.

The POLICE took the supposed terrists into custody.  18 months before the plot was supposed to come to fruition.  which is likely infeasible, because the way airports pipe fuel is designed to prevent chain reactions.  So the current crop of big, bad scary terrists are kinda the George W Bush league of terrorism:  All hat, no cattle.

But it Wasn&#039;t conservatives.  LAW ENFORCEMENT, asswhistle, like we&#039;ve been saying all along.  Terrorism isn&#039;t a military enemy.  

But then, if conservatives had listened to law enforcement  officials, the Trade Centers would still be standing.  

You&#039;re not evil, Kevin, just...disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jade-Kevin:</p>
<p>You ignorant slut.</p>
<p>The POLICE took the supposed terrists into custody.  18 months before the plot was supposed to come to fruition.  which is likely infeasible, because the way airports pipe fuel is designed to prevent chain reactions.  So the current crop of big, bad scary terrists are kinda the George W Bush league of terrorism:  All hat, no cattle.</p>
<p>But it Wasn&#8217;t conservatives.  LAW ENFORCEMENT, asswhistle, like we&#8217;ve been saying all along.  Terrorism isn&#8217;t a military enemy.  </p>
<p>But then, if conservatives had listened to law enforcement  officials, the Trade Centers would still be standing.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re not evil, Kevin, just&#8230;disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmund Schluessel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edmund Schluessel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But...they...went and invented an enemy anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But&#8230;they&#8230;went and invented an enemy anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies to jade.  I stole his identity as a joke in a previous post to hammer a point about the idea that theft of identity is &#039;progressive&#039;.  The above comment is me, the evil hater of hippies, not jade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies to jade.  I stole his identity as a joke in a previous post to hammer a point about the idea that theft of identity is &#8216;progressive&#8217;.  The above comment is me, the evil hater of hippies, not jade.</p>
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		<title>By: jade</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-206735</link>
		<dc:creator>jade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still no post about how the conservatives saved people at JFK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no post about how the conservatives saved people at JFK?</p>
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		<title>By: kenga</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-206719</link>
		<dc:creator>kenga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esh.
Makes me wonder, did the geniuses ever say &quot;boots on the ground&quot;?

And then did someone at INR say &quot;Have you ever seen the Princess Bride?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esh.<br />
Makes me wonder, did the geniuses ever say &#8220;boots on the ground&#8221;?</p>
<p>And then did someone at INR say &#8220;Have you ever seen the Princess Bride?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-206710</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;first of all, foreign policy shouldnâ€™t be driven by the needs of the Republican Party and domestic politics&lt;/i&gt;

 how sad that this point even needs to be made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>first of all, foreign policy shouldnâ€™t be driven by the needs of the Republican Party and domestic politics</i></p>
<p> how sad that this point even needs to be made.</p>
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		<title>By: Hysterical Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hysterical Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that&#039;s true, we might have to be grateful for the 9/11 attack. Still, as others have said, I agree that the Neocons would rather follow the Almighty Dollar, and trying to pick a fight with China would destroy that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s true, we might have to be grateful for the 9/11 attack. Still, as others have said, I agree that the Neocons would rather follow the Almighty Dollar, and trying to pick a fight with China would destroy that.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally Whateley</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-206692</link>
		<dc:creator>Wally Whateley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geezum, hell. China? They wanted to pick a fight with &lt;I&gt;China?!?&lt;/I&gt;

I suspect the PNACkers still think we could take &#039;em. &quot;Sure, the economy&#039;s in the dumper and China holds all our IOUs. Sure, we can&#039;t win wars in the Middle East against people armed with simple guns and IEDs. But we can beat this giant country armed with nuclear weapons because, um, Chinese laundries are funny.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geezum, hell. China? They wanted to pick a fight with <i>China?!?</i></p>
<p>I suspect the PNACkers still think we could take &#8216;em. &#8220;Sure, the economy&#8217;s in the dumper and China holds all our IOUs. Sure, we can&#8217;t win wars in the Middle East against people armed with simple guns and IEDs. But we can beat this giant country armed with nuclear weapons because, um, Chinese laundries are funny.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a certain part of the 9/11 Conspiracy movement -- a fairly large part, I&#039;d guess -- is the natural suspicion that a having a handful of dark-skinned Muslims from the Middle East commit a spectacularly showy terrorist attack in the premier American media market was just too very &lt;i&gt;conveeenient&lt;/i&gt; for the Neocons and their military-industrial masters.  There&#039;s an inbred hindbrain-based tendency for primates to react as a group whenever one member of the troop cries &lt;i&gt;leopard!&lt;/i&gt;;  there&#039;s an almost equally ingrained tendency to assume that &lt;b&gt;some&lt;/b&gt; members of the troop will yell leopard when no leopard exists...

But attacking &lt;b&gt;China&lt;/b&gt;?  I thought the standing Chinese kleptocracy had bought the neocons&#039; loyalty, via the combination of Treasury-propping bond buys and supplying slave-produced trinkets to quasi-American megacorporations, by the time Bill Clinton was first elected.  Did their fears that America&#039;s metaphorical manhood would shrink up into our national abdomen if we didn&#039;t have a capital-letter Enemy to militarize us really outweigh the neoconservative loyalty to their own pocketbooks?  Given the revelations about Perle, Wolfowitz, Delay, and Abramoff, it seems as though their devotion to the Almighty Dollar outweighed any allegiance they pretended to either religion or realpolitik.  Maybe the professional military guys just don&#039;t understand how little respect the neocons have for those points of view that are understandably foremost among military thinkers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a certain part of the 9/11 Conspiracy movement &#8212; a fairly large part, I&#8217;d guess &#8212; is the natural suspicion that a having a handful of dark-skinned Muslims from the Middle East commit a spectacularly showy terrorist attack in the premier American media market was just too very <i>conveeenient</i> for the Neocons and their military-industrial masters.  There&#8217;s an inbred hindbrain-based tendency for primates to react as a group whenever one member of the troop cries <i>leopard!</i>;  there&#8217;s an almost equally ingrained tendency to assume that <b>some</b> members of the troop will yell leopard when no leopard exists&#8230;</p>
<p>But attacking <b>China</b>?  I thought the standing Chinese kleptocracy had bought the neocons&#8217; loyalty, via the combination of Treasury-propping bond buys and supplying slave-produced trinkets to quasi-American megacorporations, by the time Bill Clinton was first elected.  Did their fears that America&#8217;s metaphorical manhood would shrink up into our national abdomen if we didn&#8217;t have a capital-letter Enemy to militarize us really outweigh the neoconservative loyalty to their own pocketbooks?  Given the revelations about Perle, Wolfowitz, Delay, and Abramoff, it seems as though their devotion to the Almighty Dollar outweighed any allegiance they pretended to either religion or realpolitik.  Maybe the professional military guys just don&#8217;t understand how little respect the neocons have for those points of view that are understandably foremost among military thinkers?</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6116.html#comment-206685</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it turns out I was living in China during the 2000 election --er, Supreme Court appointment.  I warned my friends there about Bush but nobody believed me.

After the appointment, a friend and I were trekking through the sub-tropics of the Yunnan province.  We were listening to VoA on shortwave radio, which reported that Bush sought to make China the &quot;new enemy&quot;.  Only then did my friends begin to believe me about Bush, and we were all worried for our very lives.  Things got even worse after the airplanes hit over Hainan Island.  

Ironically, 9/11 may have averted a Taiwan/China/US war, as we then had a new enemy to confront, focusing their bloodlust in another, conveniently oil-rich, region of the world.  

These Republican psychopaths cannot exist without some enemy to confront.  It defines them.  It always will.  We have to always be mindful of this, because there are a LOT more where they came from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it turns out I was living in China during the 2000 election &#8211;er, Supreme Court appointment.  I warned my friends there about Bush but nobody believed me.</p>
<p>After the appointment, a friend and I were trekking through the sub-tropics of the Yunnan province.  We were listening to VoA on shortwave radio, which reported that Bush sought to make China the &#8220;new enemy&#8221;.  Only then did my friends begin to believe me about Bush, and we were all worried for our very lives.  Things got even worse after the airplanes hit over Hainan Island.  </p>
<p>Ironically, 9/11 may have averted a Taiwan/China/US war, as we then had a new enemy to confront, focusing their bloodlust in another, conveniently oil-rich, region of the world.  </p>
<p>These Republican psychopaths cannot exist without some enemy to confront.  It defines them.  It always will.  We have to always be mindful of this, because there are a LOT more where they came from.</p>
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		<title>By: t4toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>t4toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Pearl Harbor like event to create a straw-man enemy?

Ahh, the PNAC...  So deliciously Evil.  Like Austin Powers Evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Pearl Harbor like event to create a straw-man enemy?</p>
<p>Ahh, the PNAC&#8230;  So deliciously Evil.  Like Austin Powers Evil.</p>
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