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		<title>By: newsrackblog.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Worth reading</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-1067662</link>
		<dc:creator>newsrackblog.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Worth reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 19:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Boerish (HTML Mencken, &#8220;Sadly, No!&#8221;) &#8212; the wonderfully pseudonymed &#8216;Mencken&#8217; collects statements by pro-war enthusiasts Max Boot, Josh Trevino, Glenn Reynolds and others seeking inspiration for American strategy in Iraq in the Boer War &#8212; paraphrasing, &#8220;sure, there were concentration camps and scorched earth, but the Brits won&#8221; &#8212; and sets them against an assessment of that debacle by mid 20th century historian AJP Taylor. Eerie similarities surface between politics here and now and politics then and there. Mencken: The ground conditions SNAFU and the politician schemers realized they hadn’t thought things through, hadn’t considered contingencies. Check. Policies and practices which scandalized world opinion. Check. Depraved policies and practices that make a mockery of one’s country’s ideals. Check and mate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Boerish (HTML Mencken, &#8220;Sadly, No!&#8221;) &#8212; the wonderfully pseudonymed &#8216;Mencken&#8217; collects statements by pro-war enthusiasts Max Boot, Josh Trevino, Glenn Reynolds and others seeking inspiration for American strategy in Iraq in the Boer War &#8212; paraphrasing, &#8220;sure, there were concentration camps and scorched earth, but the Brits won&#8221; &#8212; and sets them against an assessment of that debacle by mid 20th century historian AJP Taylor. Eerie similarities surface between politics here and now and politics then and there. Mencken: The ground conditions SNAFU and the politician schemers realized they hadn’t thought things through, hadn’t considered contingencies. Check. Policies and practices which scandalized world opinion. Check. Depraved policies and practices that make a mockery of one’s country’s ideals. Check and mate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; Cortez The Wingnut</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-423956</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; Cortez The Wingnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A rationalization that sounds contemporary, eh? Fast-forward a hundred or so years and here&#8217;s Tic-Tac Trevino whining that filthy traitors prevent worthy United Statesmen from taking the genocidal measures [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A rationalization that sounds contemporary, eh? Fast-forward a hundred or so years and here&#8217;s Tic-Tac Trevino whining that filthy traitors prevent worthy United Statesmen from taking the genocidal measures [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; Famous Lookalikes: Wingnut Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-195835</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; Famous Lookalikes: Wingnut Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 11:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Trevino: stalker, hypocrite, sociopath = Dr. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Trevino: stalker, hypocrite, sociopath = Dr. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Poor Man Institute &#187; New frontiers in privacy</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-147871</link>
		<dc:creator>The Poor Man Institute &#187; New frontiers in privacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 04:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his critics used statements he&#8217;d posted on his own web site against him. Then it was Tacitus bitching that those minxes at Sadly, No! had &#8220;stolen&#8221; the wedding photos he posted, for public [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] his critics used statements he&#8217;d posted on his own web site against him. Then it was Tacitus bitching that those minxes at Sadly, No! had &#8220;stolen&#8221; the wedding photos he posted, for public [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; Muumuu Guy Pans Sadly, No!</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-136520</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; Muumuu Guy Pans Sadly, No!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We hope that makes amends. Now, if we are fortunate, we might join concentration camps-advocate Tacitus and torture-enthusiast Eugene Volokh, our moral superiors who would never ever reduce themselves to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We hope that makes amends. Now, if we are fortunate, we might join concentration camps-advocate Tacitus and torture-enthusiast Eugene Volokh, our moral superiors who would never ever reduce themselves to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Rove II</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-136388</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Rove II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still smell poo...</description>
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		<title>By: Gentlewoman</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134366</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentlewoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;dear gentlewoman, i must respectfully disagree. vituperative political discussion is normal.&lt;/i&gt;

But, aunt bea, this was &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; political discussion. That was my point. The political got derailed by the vituperative.

Most probably because, as K. Ron said: &lt;i&gt;The visitors sure donâ€™t want to talk about HTML Menckenâ€™s post.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;I canâ€™t really agree, Gentlewoman. This whole episode illuminates some important dynamics of political discussion on blogs. You think we should have discussed beer or Atlas Pam photoshops?&lt;/i&gt;

No, Linus. I think we should have discussed HTML&#039;s post, which he obviously researched seriously, and in which he made some interesting comparisons. But that didn&#039;t really happen, did it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>dear gentlewoman, i must respectfully disagree. vituperative political discussion is normal.</i></p>
<p>But, aunt bea, this was <i>not</i> political discussion. That was my point. The political got derailed by the vituperative.</p>
<p>Most probably because, as K. Ron said: <i>The visitors sure donâ€™t want to talk about HTML Menckenâ€™s post.</i></p>
<p><i>I canâ€™t really agree, Gentlewoman. This whole episode illuminates some important dynamics of political discussion on blogs. You think we should have discussed beer or Atlas Pam photoshops?</i></p>
<p>No, Linus. I think we should have discussed HTML&#8217;s post, which he obviously researched seriously, and in which he made some interesting comparisons. But that didn&#8217;t really happen, did it?</p>
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		<title>By: aunt bea traven</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134156</link>
		<dc:creator>aunt bea traven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee Trevino knows how to handle a driver,  Josh Trevino only knows how to handle his putts.

I agree with marc page, (although its probably too late) do NOT talk on your own phone with the psycho.  he may say he won&#039;t use it, he may even believe he won&#039;t use it, but he will end up using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee Trevino knows how to handle a driver,  Josh Trevino only knows how to handle his putts.</p>
<p>I agree with marc page, (although its probably too late) do NOT talk on your own phone with the psycho.  he may say he won&#8217;t use it, he may even believe he won&#8217;t use it, but he will end up using it.</p>
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		<title>By: aunt bea traven</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134152</link>
		<dc:creator>aunt bea traven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as regards the boer war, the british victory was the impetus for boer subversion/sabotage during ww2.  such nice guyz, them boers.   
Klod-dopin&#039; boy would&#039;ve revealed HTML Mencken in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as regards the boer war, the british victory was the impetus for boer subversion/sabotage during ww2.  such nice guyz, them boers.<br />
Klod-dopin&#8217; boy would&#8217;ve revealed HTML Mencken in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: aunt bea traven</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134148</link>
		<dc:creator>aunt bea traven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear gentlewoman, i must respectfully disagree.  vituperative political discussion is normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear gentlewoman, i must respectfully disagree.  vituperative political discussion is normal.</p>
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		<title>By: jam hamster jay</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134114</link>
		<dc:creator>jam hamster jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And when I start slurring my speech I stop talking.</description>
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		<title>By: jam hamster jay</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134113</link>
		<dc:creator>jam hamster jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad analogy. The students would flee from a werewolf.

Tried too hard not to allude to some kind of vehicular accident, is what I was did there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad analogy. The students would flee from a werewolf.</p>
<p>Tried too hard not to allude to some kind of vehicular accident, is what I was did there.</p>
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		<title>By: jam hamster jay</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134112</link>
		<dc:creator>jam hamster jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K, if one of the students turns into a werewolf, you can&#039;t really fault the class for disregarding the lesson plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K, if one of the students turns into a werewolf, you can&#8217;t really fault the class for disregarding the lesson plan.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Ron Silkwood</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134111</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Ron Silkwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, actually, the pro-Boers were patriotic; the Jingos were not. Likewise the anti-war side is the patriotic one in this conflict, and for the same reasons; the 82nd Chairborne is not. Being â€˜pro-Boerâ€™ then or â€˜anti-warâ€™ now never was and is not treason because such stances confirm a fidelity to the principles of the dissentersâ€™ country. Conversely, the pro-war side in both conflicts urged a course of depravity (concentration camps, torture, genocide) that actively subverts the countryâ€™s principles, sells its soul, has the effect of making it as bad or worse than the â€˜enemyâ€™. Pro-war is being about conquering another country; anti-war is about preserving our own.

***

The visitors sure don&#039;t want to talk about  HTML Mencken&#039;s post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, actually, the pro-Boers were patriotic; the Jingos were not. Likewise the anti-war side is the patriotic one in this conflict, and for the same reasons; the 82nd Chairborne is not. Being â€˜pro-Boerâ€™ then or â€˜anti-warâ€™ now never was and is not treason because such stances confirm a fidelity to the principles of the dissentersâ€™ country. Conversely, the pro-war side in both conflicts urged a course of depravity (concentration camps, torture, genocide) that actively subverts the countryâ€™s principles, sells its soul, has the effect of making it as bad or worse than the â€˜enemyâ€™. Pro-war is being about conquering another country; anti-war is about preserving our own.</p>
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<p>The visitors sure don&#8217;t want to talk about  HTML Mencken&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: Linus</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134100</link>
		<dc:creator>Linus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t really agree, Gentlewoman.  This whole episode illuminates some important dynamics of political discussion on blogs.  You think we should have discussed beer or Atlas Pam photoshops?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t really agree, Gentlewoman.  This whole episode illuminates some important dynamics of political discussion on blogs.  You think we should have discussed beer or Atlas Pam photoshops?</p>
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		<title>By: porgy tirebiter</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134097</link>
		<dc:creator>porgy tirebiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Criticizing someone for being on medication implies thereâ€™s something wrong with being on medication; criticizing him for being a stay-at-home parent implies there something wrong with being a stay-at-home parent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I doubt that anyone is &quot;criticizing him&quot; for any of that; we/they are using it to mock and bait him. It&#039;s so hard to resist. Think about it: How big an asshole does one have to be to make a bunch of flaming liberals consider you an irredeemable -- almost subhuman -- creep? It&#039;s obvious -- as big an asshole as Jeff Goldstein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Criticizing someone for being on medication implies thereâ€™s something wrong with being on medication; criticizing him for being a stay-at-home parent implies there something wrong with being a stay-at-home parent.</p></blockquote>
<p>I doubt that anyone is &#8220;criticizing him&#8221; for any of that; we/they are using it to mock and bait him. It&#8217;s so hard to resist. Think about it: How big an asshole does one have to be to make a bunch of flaming liberals consider you an irredeemable &#8212; almost subhuman &#8212; creep? It&#8217;s obvious &#8212; as big an asshole as Jeff Goldstein.</p>
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		<title>By: Gentlewoman</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134093</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentlewoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to personally apologize to everyone on the internets for having taken part (even though it was WAY upthread and THREE DAYS ago) in this train wreck. I had no idea it was still going on.

It&#039;s really too bad, as I think the original post brought out some important points which were well worth discussing. Too bad so few of us discussed them.

You know, I don&#039;t think any of us is going to feel really happy about having participated in this disaster.

Except the sociopaths. You know who you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to personally apologize to everyone on the internets for having taken part (even though it was WAY upthread and THREE DAYS ago) in this train wreck. I had no idea it was still going on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really too bad, as I think the original post brought out some important points which were well worth discussing. Too bad so few of us discussed them.</p>
<p>You know, I don&#8217;t think any of us is going to feel really happy about having participated in this disaster.</p>
<p>Except the sociopaths. You know who you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Watts</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134080</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I am self (un)employed, I use my real name on posts but I can see why others might have to use a pseudonym to not have minor or major job and career dysfunction and retribution. So threatening to out someone who clearly does not want to be outed is pretty scuzzy and nasty and childish. 

The day HTML posted the photo of Tacitus w/light saber was one of the first times I visited Sadly, No! There was absolutely no contextual clue in the photo that it was taken at a wedding. The photo was very tightly cropped. Ergo, Tacitus&#039; claim of having a personal wedding violated here at SN is a canard and an obviously false and melodramatic ploy for sympathy. 

And it is strange that someone MANLY enough to blithely discuss the merits of slaughtering, torturing and imprisoning innocent human beings is putting themselves out as a portrait of wounded innocence due to a 100-120 pixel photo. Oh the hurt, the injustice, the indecency, the agony, the unfairness of it all. It&#039;s the type of secret scarring only Hitler could understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I am self (un)employed, I use my real name on posts but I can see why others might have to use a pseudonym to not have minor or major job and career dysfunction and retribution. So threatening to out someone who clearly does not want to be outed is pretty scuzzy and nasty and childish. </p>
<p>The day HTML posted the photo of Tacitus w/light saber was one of the first times I visited Sadly, No! There was absolutely no contextual clue in the photo that it was taken at a wedding. The photo was very tightly cropped. Ergo, Tacitus&#8217; claim of having a personal wedding violated here at SN is a canard and an obviously false and melodramatic ploy for sympathy. </p>
<p>And it is strange that someone MANLY enough to blithely discuss the merits of slaughtering, torturing and imprisoning innocent human beings is putting themselves out as a portrait of wounded innocence due to a 100-120 pixel photo. Oh the hurt, the injustice, the indecency, the agony, the unfairness of it all. It&#8217;s the type of secret scarring only Hitler could understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Holland</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134070</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ticky Tack&#039;s the subject of this Clash song, isn&#039;t he?

The Leader (from &lt;i&gt;Sandanista&lt;/i&gt;)

Atom secrets, secret leaflet
Have the boys found the leak yet?
The molehill sets the wheel in motion
His downfall picks up locomotion

The people must have something good to read on a Sunday

The leader&#039;s wife takes a government car
In the dark to meet her minister
But the leader never leaves his door ajar
As he swings his whip from the Boer War war

He wore a leather mask for his dinner guests
Totally nude and with deep respect
Proposed a toast to the votes he gets
The feeling of power and the thought of sex!

Now the girl let the fat man touch her
Vodka fumes and the feel of a vulture
The driver waited in the embassy car
The fat man&#039;s trap was set for capture
So the girl let the thin man touch her
Mixing questions, drunken laughter
The ministry car was waiting there
A minister knows his own affair

The people must have something good to read on a Sunday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ticky Tack&#8217;s the subject of this Clash song, isn&#8217;t he?</p>
<p>The Leader (from <i>Sandanista</i>)</p>
<p>Atom secrets, secret leaflet<br />
Have the boys found the leak yet?<br />
The molehill sets the wheel in motion<br />
His downfall picks up locomotion</p>
<p>The people must have something good to read on a Sunday</p>
<p>The leader&#8217;s wife takes a government car<br />
In the dark to meet her minister<br />
But the leader never leaves his door ajar<br />
As he swings his whip from the Boer War war</p>
<p>He wore a leather mask for his dinner guests<br />
Totally nude and with deep respect<br />
Proposed a toast to the votes he gets<br />
The feeling of power and the thought of sex!</p>
<p>Now the girl let the fat man touch her<br />
Vodka fumes and the feel of a vulture<br />
The driver waited in the embassy car<br />
The fat man&#8217;s trap was set for capture<br />
So the girl let the thin man touch her<br />
Mixing questions, drunken laughter<br />
The ministry car was waiting there<br />
A minister knows his own affair</p>
<p>The people must have something good to read on a Sunday</p>
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		<title>By: Linus</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html#comment-134066</link>
		<dc:creator>Linus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; There is nothing wrong with being on medication - indeed it is usually better than the alternative - and there is nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home parent. But the fact that a pissy, arrogant war cheerleader with a cock fetish is, in fact, a vaguely employed ex-grad student with delusions of metafictional grandeur is one of those (given the amount of blood spilled, pretty fucking bleak) hilarities, endlessly served up by the internets &lt;/i&gt;

Sifu Tweety pretty much nailed it there.  It is not attractive to make fun of Jeff for being a stay-at-home dad and for taking anti-anxiety medication.  But I understand why people do it, given his endless posturing on his blog as a Steely-Eyed Warrior against Islam and the Existential Threat it poses to Our Civilization.</description>
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<p>Sifu Tweety pretty much nailed it there.  It is not attractive to make fun of Jeff for being a stay-at-home dad and for taking anti-anxiety medication.  But I understand why people do it, given his endless posturing on his blog as a Steely-Eyed Warrior against Islam and the Existential Threat it poses to Our Civilization.</p>
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