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		<title>By: Colonel Cathcart</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-125404</link>
		<dc:creator>Colonel Cathcart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s off-topic, but I have to point out just how much I love that the public affairs officer Hollen Wheeler talks exactly like Rumsfeld does at press conferences:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Did it affect the Secretaryâ€™s schedule in any way? No. Does it affect in any way how he does his business? No.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s off-topic, but I have to point out just how much I love that the public affairs officer Hollen Wheeler talks exactly like Rumsfeld does at press conferences:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Did it affect the Secretaryâ€™s schedule in any way? No. Does it affect in any way how he does his business? No.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: jam hamster jay</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-125143</link>
		<dc:creator>jam hamster jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 02:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, cs, that was very me of you, what you did there upthread. What&#039;s funny is those are my initials, and I swear to God for a millisecond there I actually thought &quot;there I go being all awkward again.&quot; 

Sorry, I can&#039;t figure out how to share the humor of it without sounding like I&#039;m making fun of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, cs, that was very me of you, what you did there upthread. What&#8217;s funny is those are my initials, and I swear to God for a millisecond there I actually thought &#8220;there I go being all awkward again.&#8221; </p>
<p>Sorry, I can&#8217;t figure out how to share the humor of it without sounding like I&#8217;m making fun of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. BLT</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-125038</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. BLT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I hate myself for bragging about this.  You don&#039;t see Gnarls Barkley on the internet braggging that he made #1 on the same list of Best Songs of 2006.  On the other hand, I don&#039;t know what else to do with the news.  Those who say I&#039;m off topic need to hear the song.  Call me a self-promoter but please don&#039;t say I&#039;m off topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I hate myself for bragging about this.  You don&#8217;t see Gnarls Barkley on the internet braggging that he made #1 on the same list of Best Songs of 2006.  On the other hand, I don&#8217;t know what else to do with the news.  Those who say I&#8217;m off topic need to hear the song.  Call me a self-promoter but please don&#8217;t say I&#8217;m off topic.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fucking Fury, Unleashed</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-125025</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fucking Fury, Unleashed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Anyway, the guy is good at what he does, which is to hack away relentlessly at any and all logical inconsistencies he can find.&lt;/i&gt;

Too bad he can&#039;t seem to find his own, or he&#039;d be too busy to ever bother us again.

The point is, Brad, this tendency of yours to try and be overly fair to idiots who don&#039;t really deserve it is fine in ordinary life; it makes you a decent person. It&#039;s different here, and you know it. Trying to be gracious over something irrelevant isn&#039;t going to be seen by him or his fascist associates as a kindness to be appreciated (or reciprocated), it&#039;ll be seen as a weakness to be exploited.

If anything, he deserves extra scorn for supposedly being better than Malkin, et. al. but still supporting them anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Anyway, the guy is good at what he does, which is to hack away relentlessly at any and all logical inconsistencies he can find.</i></p>
<p>Too bad he can&#8217;t seem to find his own, or he&#8217;d be too busy to ever bother us again.</p>
<p>The point is, Brad, this tendency of yours to try and be overly fair to idiots who don&#8217;t really deserve it is fine in ordinary life; it makes you a decent person. It&#8217;s different here, and you know it. Trying to be gracious over something irrelevant isn&#8217;t going to be seen by him or his fascist associates as a kindness to be appreciated (or reciprocated), it&#8217;ll be seen as a weakness to be exploited.</p>
<p>If anything, he deserves extra scorn for supposedly being better than Malkin, et. al. but still supporting them anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. BLT</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-125023</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. BLT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take that as a compliment, Pinko.  Are you proud of me for making Blogcritic Magazine writer Al Barger&#039;s top 10 Best Records of 2006?  I owe it all to the folks right here for getting the critics to notice by being among the first to post my songs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take that as a compliment, Pinko.  Are you proud of me for making Blogcritic Magazine writer Al Barger&#8217;s top 10 Best Records of 2006?  I owe it all to the folks right here for getting the critics to notice by being among the first to post my songs.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Bimler</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124902</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Bimler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the bright yellow object goes up and down and the silvery less-bright one follows it.&lt;/i&gt;
No, I&#039;m sorry, now you&#039;ve lost all credibility in my eyes. This morning the silvery less-bright object went down &lt;i&gt;first&lt;/i&gt; and the bright yellow object was following &lt;i&gt;it&lt;/i&gt;.
I demand a retraction!
I also want to know what I was doing up so early this morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the bright yellow object goes up and down and the silvery less-bright one follows it.</i><br />
No, I&#8217;m sorry, now you&#8217;ve lost all credibility in my eyes. This morning the silvery less-bright object went down <i>first</i> and the bright yellow object was following <i>it</i>.<br />
I demand a retraction!<br />
I also want to know what I was doing up so early this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124873</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh.  oops.  sorry.</description>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124857</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um...  patsy is just another mediocre reactionary.  he&#039;s no worse than most of the pinhead brigade and is better than the truly ugly - coulter, malkin, etc. - only because he&#039;s had a lot of practice appearing &quot;reasonable.&quot;  that he is of the same cloth as malkin etc. is indicated by the fact that he&#039;s willing to ride their coattails, pretend they&#039;re not batshit insane, and pass out the exact same kool-aid after diluting it slightly.  
the fact that he occasionally posts a pseudo-condemnation of their lunacy indicates nothing more than that every truly insane movement ideology needs it&#039;s apologists to present a friendly public face - polite, respectable people out front to reassure the good germans that they didn&#039;t just see what they thought they saw and that in any case it&#039;ll all be alright.  

i will concede that he&#039;s a &quot;class act:&quot; it&#039;s hard to be an effective apologist without being exceptionally polite.  

but anyway, who the fuck cares?  

patsy&#039;s just a bad clown, lacking both the talent to create something original and the consistency to take the ideas he picks up from others to their logical conclusions.  it&#039;s like deciding to pick on the 50th percentile of &quot;Clueless Follower.&quot;  why bother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um&#8230;  patsy is just another mediocre reactionary.  he&#8217;s no worse than most of the pinhead brigade and is better than the truly ugly &#8211; coulter, malkin, etc. &#8211; only because he&#8217;s had a lot of practice appearing &#8220;reasonable.&#8221;  that he is of the same cloth as malkin etc. is indicated by the fact that he&#8217;s willing to ride their coattails, pretend they&#8217;re not batshit insane, and pass out the exact same kool-aid after diluting it slightly.<br />
the fact that he occasionally posts a pseudo-condemnation of their lunacy indicates nothing more than that every truly insane movement ideology needs it&#8217;s apologists to present a friendly public face &#8211; polite, respectable people out front to reassure the good germans that they didn&#8217;t just see what they thought they saw and that in any case it&#8217;ll all be alright.  </p>
<p>i will concede that he&#8217;s a &#8220;class act:&#8221; it&#8217;s hard to be an effective apologist without being exceptionally polite.  </p>
<p>but anyway, who the fuck cares?  </p>
<p>patsy&#8217;s just a bad clown, lacking both the talent to create something original and the consistency to take the ideas he picks up from others to their logical conclusions.  it&#8217;s like deciding to pick on the 50th percentile of &#8220;Clueless Follower.&#8221;  why bother?</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124855</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um...  patsy is just another mediocre reactionary.  he&#039;s no worse than most of the pinhead brigade and is better than the truly ugly - coulter, malkin, etc. - only because he&#039;s had a lot of practice appearing &quot;reasonable.&quot;  that he is of the same cloth as malkin etc. is indicated by the fact that he&#039;s willing to ride their coattails, pretend they&#039;re not batshit insane, and pass out the exact same kool-aid after diluting it slightly.  
the fact that he occasionally posts a pseudo-condemnation of their lunacy indicates nothing more than that every truly insane movement ideology needs it&#039;s apologists to present a friendly public face - polite, respectable people out front to reassure the good germans that they didn&#039;t just see what they thought they saw and that in any case it&#039;ll all be alright.  

i will concede that he&#039;s a &quot;class act:&quot; it&#039;s hard to be an effective apologist without being exceptionally polite.  

but anyway, who the fuck cares?  

patsy&#039;s just a bad clown, lacking the talent to either create something original or to take the ideas he picks up from others to their logical conclusions.  it&#039;s like deciding to pick on the 50th percentile of &quot;Clueless Follower.&quot;  why bother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um&#8230;  patsy is just another mediocre reactionary.  he&#8217;s no worse than most of the pinhead brigade and is better than the truly ugly &#8211; coulter, malkin, etc. &#8211; only because he&#8217;s had a lot of practice appearing &#8220;reasonable.&#8221;  that he is of the same cloth as malkin etc. is indicated by the fact that he&#8217;s willing to ride their coattails, pretend they&#8217;re not batshit insane, and pass out the exact same kool-aid after diluting it slightly.<br />
the fact that he occasionally posts a pseudo-condemnation of their lunacy indicates nothing more than that every truly insane movement ideology needs it&#8217;s apologists to present a friendly public face &#8211; polite, respectable people out front to reassure the good germans that they didn&#8217;t just see what they thought they saw and that in any case it&#8217;ll all be alright.  </p>
<p>i will concede that he&#8217;s a &#8220;class act:&#8221; it&#8217;s hard to be an effective apologist without being exceptionally polite.  </p>
<p>but anyway, who the fuck cares?  </p>
<p>patsy&#8217;s just a bad clown, lacking the talent to either create something original or to take the ideas he picks up from others to their logical conclusions.  it&#8217;s like deciding to pick on the 50th percentile of &#8220;Clueless Follower.&#8221;  why bother?</p>
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		<title>By: Pinko Punko</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124854</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinko Punko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there was that horribly offensive yet delicious looking gigantic submarine sandwich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there was that horribly offensive yet delicious looking gigantic submarine sandwich.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124842</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um...  patsy is just another mediocre reactionary.  he&#039;s no worse than most of the pinhead brigade and is better than the truly ugly - coulter, malkin, etc. - only because he&#039;s had a lot of practice appearing &quot;reasonable.&quot;  that he is of the same cloth as malkin etc. is indicated by the fact that he&#039;s willing to ride their coattails, pretend they&#039;re not batshit insane, and pass out the exact same kool-aid after diluting it slightly.  
the fact that he occasionally posts a pseudo-condemnation of their lunacy indicates nothing more than that every truly insane movement ideology needs it&#039;s apologists to present a friendly public face - polite, respectable people out front to reassure the good germans that they didn&#039;t just see what they thought they saw and that in any case it&#039;ll all be alright.  

i will concede that he&#039;s a &quot;class act:&quot; it&#039;s hard to be an effective apologist without being exceptionally polite.  

but anyway, who the fuck cares?  

patsy&#039;s just a bad clown, lacking both the talent to create something original and the consistency to take the ideas he picks up from others to their logical conclusions.  it&#039;s like deciding to pick on the 50th percentile of &quot;Clueless Follower.&quot;  why bother?

Further, everyone taking part in this particular fecal slap fight knows exactly what everyone else will say, which makes it boring and totally lacking in humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um&#8230;  patsy is just another mediocre reactionary.  he&#8217;s no worse than most of the pinhead brigade and is better than the truly ugly &#8211; coulter, malkin, etc. &#8211; only because he&#8217;s had a lot of practice appearing &#8220;reasonable.&#8221;  that he is of the same cloth as malkin etc. is indicated by the fact that he&#8217;s willing to ride their coattails, pretend they&#8217;re not batshit insane, and pass out the exact same kool-aid after diluting it slightly.<br />
the fact that he occasionally posts a pseudo-condemnation of their lunacy indicates nothing more than that every truly insane movement ideology needs it&#8217;s apologists to present a friendly public face &#8211; polite, respectable people out front to reassure the good germans that they didn&#8217;t just see what they thought they saw and that in any case it&#8217;ll all be alright.  </p>
<p>i will concede that he&#8217;s a &#8220;class act:&#8221; it&#8217;s hard to be an effective apologist without being exceptionally polite.  </p>
<p>but anyway, who the fuck cares?  </p>
<p>patsy&#8217;s just a bad clown, lacking both the talent to create something original and the consistency to take the ideas he picks up from others to their logical conclusions.  it&#8217;s like deciding to pick on the 50th percentile of &#8220;Clueless Follower.&#8221;  why bother?</p>
<p>Further, everyone taking part in this particular fecal slap fight knows exactly what everyone else will say, which makes it boring and totally lacking in humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124825</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>testing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>testing</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124812</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know about Patterico until he threatened to out TBogg for dissing Malkin. (Any chance this ethically-challenged idiot was on the Incompetence Team in the OJ trial?)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tbogg/115457981152254254/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Patterico:&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;i&gt;...if I thought someone &lt;/i&gt;[i.e. TBogg]&lt;i&gt; was a shitbag and I knew who they were and they deserved to have the world know who they are, I might clue the world in.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know about Patterico until he threatened to out TBogg for dissing Malkin. (Any chance this ethically-challenged idiot was on the Incompetence Team in the OJ trial?)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tbogg/115457981152254254/" rel="nofollow">Patterico:</a><br />
<i>&#8230;if I thought someone </i>[i.e. TBogg]<i> was a shitbag and I knew who they were and they deserved to have the world know who they are, I might clue the world in.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Gentlewoman</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124790</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentlewoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;mocked Dafydd ab Hughâ€™s appearance&lt;/i&gt;

Wait, we were supposed to mock his &lt;i&gt;appearance&lt;/i&gt;?

I thought we were supposed to mock his cod-Welsh nym and general idiocy. At least, that&#039;s what I recall doing.

Also, remember, that during the NYT TRAVEL SECTION WANTS CHENEY DEAD!!!1!! brouhaha, some wingnuts proceeded to post photos and/or maps &lt;b&gt;and directions&lt;/b&gt; to the home of the hapless freelance photographer who did nothing more than take the photos she was paid to take. Said photographer, of course, unlike Darth Cheney, having no Secret Service to protect her or her family from any crazed fanboy who might have decided to please his idol by doing real damage to a real person. See, for example, Teh Malkin-Thing&#039;s  fake anthrax adorer.

I still remember, with utter disgust, Patterico&#039;s passive-aggressive tapdance, ever-so-delicate, &#039;shall I or shan&#039;t I?&#039; crap over the &#039;outing&#039; of TBogg.

As well as Patty&#039;s total panic and attempted obfuscation of what it was he was threatening to do when he got called on it. Some of which occurred in comments on this very blog, if I remember correctly.

I don&#039;t care if he&#039;s as good as Clarence Darrow, he&#039;s a nasty piece of work. He likes to seem reasonable when it seems he might profit from doing so, but Mr. Hyde is just lurking under the surface, waiting to jump out, snarling.

Plus, as you point out, for someone who apparently wishes to be thought respectable and reasonable, he keeps some awfully unsavory company.

Neither you nor the AP owes any of these moronic fuckwits any apologies, even if some of their kern-scanning bore some shrivelled fruit in the form of poor grammar or word choices. Frankly, I&#039;m not even willing to concede that much, considering the beginning of the original AP story, which basically said, &#039;Some Sunni residents claim that...&#039; 

The larger issues still hold. Iraq is a hellhole. The people responsible for that are not the people who report on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>mocked Dafydd ab Hughâ€™s appearance</i></p>
<p>Wait, we were supposed to mock his <i>appearance</i>?</p>
<p>I thought we were supposed to mock his cod-Welsh nym and general idiocy. At least, that&#8217;s what I recall doing.</p>
<p>Also, remember, that during the NYT TRAVEL SECTION WANTS CHENEY DEAD!!!1!! brouhaha, some wingnuts proceeded to post photos and/or maps <b>and directions</b> to the home of the hapless freelance photographer who did nothing more than take the photos she was paid to take. Said photographer, of course, unlike Darth Cheney, having no Secret Service to protect her or her family from any crazed fanboy who might have decided to please his idol by doing real damage to a real person. See, for example, Teh Malkin-Thing&#8217;s  fake anthrax adorer.</p>
<p>I still remember, with utter disgust, Patterico&#8217;s passive-aggressive tapdance, ever-so-delicate, &#8216;shall I or shan&#8217;t I?&#8217; crap over the &#8216;outing&#8217; of TBogg.</p>
<p>As well as Patty&#8217;s total panic and attempted obfuscation of what it was he was threatening to do when he got called on it. Some of which occurred in comments on this very blog, if I remember correctly.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if he&#8217;s as good as Clarence Darrow, he&#8217;s a nasty piece of work. He likes to seem reasonable when it seems he might profit from doing so, but Mr. Hyde is just lurking under the surface, waiting to jump out, snarling.</p>
<p>Plus, as you point out, for someone who apparently wishes to be thought respectable and reasonable, he keeps some awfully unsavory company.</p>
<p>Neither you nor the AP owes any of these moronic fuckwits any apologies, even if some of their kern-scanning bore some shrivelled fruit in the form of poor grammar or word choices. Frankly, I&#8217;m not even willing to concede that much, considering the beginning of the original AP story, which basically said, &#8216;Some Sunni residents claim that&#8230;&#8217; </p>
<p>The larger issues still hold. Iraq is a hellhole. The people responsible for that are not the people who report on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Socraticsilence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socraticsilence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me if I&#039;m OT here but I&#039;m still wondering how a paper which was with only the possible exception of Scaife,  the driving force in the various Clinton Scandals (seriously it was like the Times was jeaslous the the Washington Post helped bring down Nixon and wanted Clinton for itself) a tool of the Democratic Party. Heck, I could see how opne could argue that they turned on Clinton when he triangulated with the 1994 Gingrichites, but the Times vendetta against Bill Clinton appears to have begun during his intial campaign for the Presidency; not as would be expected if the Times was a bastion of the Far Left, after his decison to sign off on things like Social Security reform. 

    More to the point, why wiould a paper alligned with the left carry Judith Miller for so long, acting as an important resource in marshalling public support for the invasion of Iraq? Heck if the wingnuts want to be crazy paraoids they should at least attempt to establish an alternate narrative that isn&#039;t self-contradictory (on it&#039;s surface, I&#039;m purposefully ignoring the illogic behind the assumption that American Progressive would ally themselves with people whose cloeset idelogical analouges are the Christan Theocrats such as Rushdoony). 

Hell, just for fun I&#039;ll try, here goes, The NYT and the rest of the liberal media are in bed with the Islamists (ignoring why as explained above) --with me so far wingnuts?--  this explains all of there seemingly contradictory actions:

1) Attacking Clinton: Discrediting an Intelligent, Charasmatic man who could appeal to moderates within the Islamic world, and who tried to bring peace to the Isreali/Palestinian conflict is simply good logic, after Bill Clinton, if not besieged constantly could help resolve the very issues that help you gain support and funding, additionally his actions following the 1993 WTC attacks suggest that he will destory AQ et al&#039;s networks if they attack.  Similar justifications are behind the media&#039;s handling of the 200 election and its aftermath, and the media osbeqiousness about the 2004 election, especially the repeated usage of terror alerts to pump Bush (that is to say wingnuts, that Terrorists wanted Bush to win, I know its hard to grasp, but Dubya is an incompetent and his administrations decision to invade Iraq has help AQ in a way that UBL could never have orchestrated on his own).

2) Intial Opposition to the War in Afghanistan constrasted with the Invasion of Iraq, while the MSM didn&#039;t exactly object to the invasion of Afghanistan, its slight reluctance here is Haydenesque compared to its cheerleading and outright war-mongering with regards to Iraq (this is where my pseudo theory will start to lose the wingnut  who somehow stayed on past my argument that the media, and the Terrorists wanted Bush in Office). Why did the media help push Iraq? Simple there AQ masters knew that a sustained U.S. presence in Afghanistan (something which was so universally accepted it didn&#039;t exaclty inflame the Muslim world and aid the generation of recruits and funds) combined with Pakistan cooperation would crush their organization and that they needed to take the heat off ASAP. 

3) (The part the wingnuts will buy while somehow ignoring all of what I tyed before) The publication of the AG photo&#039;s, all the wiretap stuff, etc., 
The MSM did all this to either inform the Terrorist or inflame the Muslim world, this is also the reason that the Muhammed Cartoons were so highly publicized, (they weren&#039;t run because doing that in area&#039;s outiside the Muslim world would make people realize how close some the cartoons came to Der Spiegel illustratioins of Jews, and thus turn some their allies in the Western world --useful idiots suchs as the Wingers primarily-- against them).

So there you have it a self-contained nutbar theory explaining the MSM actions without contradicting itself by claiming that the Democratic Party is somehow involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if I&#8217;m OT here but I&#8217;m still wondering how a paper which was with only the possible exception of Scaife,  the driving force in the various Clinton Scandals (seriously it was like the Times was jeaslous the the Washington Post helped bring down Nixon and wanted Clinton for itself) a tool of the Democratic Party. Heck, I could see how opne could argue that they turned on Clinton when he triangulated with the 1994 Gingrichites, but the Times vendetta against Bill Clinton appears to have begun during his intial campaign for the Presidency; not as would be expected if the Times was a bastion of the Far Left, after his decison to sign off on things like Social Security reform. </p>
<p>    More to the point, why wiould a paper alligned with the left carry Judith Miller for so long, acting as an important resource in marshalling public support for the invasion of Iraq? Heck if the wingnuts want to be crazy paraoids they should at least attempt to establish an alternate narrative that isn&#8217;t self-contradictory (on it&#8217;s surface, I&#8217;m purposefully ignoring the illogic behind the assumption that American Progressive would ally themselves with people whose cloeset idelogical analouges are the Christan Theocrats such as Rushdoony). </p>
<p>Hell, just for fun I&#8217;ll try, here goes, The NYT and the rest of the liberal media are in bed with the Islamists (ignoring why as explained above) &#8211;with me so far wingnuts?&#8211;  this explains all of there seemingly contradictory actions:</p>
<p>1) Attacking Clinton: Discrediting an Intelligent, Charasmatic man who could appeal to moderates within the Islamic world, and who tried to bring peace to the Isreali/Palestinian conflict is simply good logic, after Bill Clinton, if not besieged constantly could help resolve the very issues that help you gain support and funding, additionally his actions following the 1993 WTC attacks suggest that he will destory AQ et al&#8217;s networks if they attack.  Similar justifications are behind the media&#8217;s handling of the 200 election and its aftermath, and the media osbeqiousness about the 2004 election, especially the repeated usage of terror alerts to pump Bush (that is to say wingnuts, that Terrorists wanted Bush to win, I know its hard to grasp, but Dubya is an incompetent and his administrations decision to invade Iraq has help AQ in a way that UBL could never have orchestrated on his own).</p>
<p>2) Intial Opposition to the War in Afghanistan constrasted with the Invasion of Iraq, while the MSM didn&#8217;t exactly object to the invasion of Afghanistan, its slight reluctance here is Haydenesque compared to its cheerleading and outright war-mongering with regards to Iraq (this is where my pseudo theory will start to lose the wingnut  who somehow stayed on past my argument that the media, and the Terrorists wanted Bush in Office). Why did the media help push Iraq? Simple there AQ masters knew that a sustained U.S. presence in Afghanistan (something which was so universally accepted it didn&#8217;t exaclty inflame the Muslim world and aid the generation of recruits and funds) combined with Pakistan cooperation would crush their organization and that they needed to take the heat off ASAP. </p>
<p>3) (The part the wingnuts will buy while somehow ignoring all of what I tyed before) The publication of the AG photo&#8217;s, all the wiretap stuff, etc.,<br />
The MSM did all this to either inform the Terrorist or inflame the Muslim world, this is also the reason that the Muhammed Cartoons were so highly publicized, (they weren&#8217;t run because doing that in area&#8217;s outiside the Muslim world would make people realize how close some the cartoons came to Der Spiegel illustratioins of Jews, and thus turn some their allies in the Western world &#8211;useful idiots suchs as the Wingers primarily&#8211; against them).</p>
<p>So there you have it a self-contained nutbar theory explaining the MSM actions without contradicting itself by claiming that the Democratic Party is somehow involved.</p>
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		<title>By: ichomobothogogus</title>
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		<dc:creator>ichomobothogogus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, you should stop treating these bampots like they&#039;ve come third in the Special Olympics.  You&#039;ve set the bar pretty low when &quot;Look! look! I said something normal once!&quot; becomes a statement worthy of praise.  Patterico is a dick.  He&#039;s also a liar and an idiotic right-wing prick.  you know this, you&#039;ve dealt with it before.  He also smells of poo and has cooties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, you should stop treating these bampots like they&#8217;ve come third in the Special Olympics.  You&#8217;ve set the bar pretty low when &#8220;Look! look! I said something normal once!&#8221; becomes a statement worthy of praise.  Patterico is a dick.  He&#8217;s also a liar and an idiotic right-wing prick.  you know this, you&#8217;ve dealt with it before.  He also smells of poo and has cooties.</p>
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		<title>By: John Protevi</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124783</link>
		<dc:creator>John Protevi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m. croche at 19:22: that&#039;s some good research there. i wonder if patterico would play the goldstein &quot;out of context&quot; card if presented with it? inquiring minds....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m. croche at 19:22: that&#8217;s some good research there. i wonder if patterico would play the goldstein &#8220;out of context&#8221; card if presented with it? inquiring minds&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Neiwert</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Neiwert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[IOoops! Sorry, I meant Brad.]</description>
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		<title>By: David Neiwert</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5004.html#comment-124730</link>
		<dc:creator>David Neiwert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops, I meant Brad.</description>
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		<title>By: David Neiwert</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Neiwert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin:

You can actually find many more egregious examples right within Malkin&#039;s handling of the Jamil Hussein case.

To wit, there&#039;s her &lt;a href=&quot;http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006431.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poll&lt;/a&gt; that asked: &quot;Who&#039;s the biggest terrorist propaganda tool?&quot; (The New York Times beat out the AP 40%-35%.) This is one of several posts where Malkin refers to the AP as &quot;Associated (with terrorists) Press&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin:</p>
<p>You can actually find many more egregious examples right within Malkin&#8217;s handling of the Jamil Hussein case.</p>
<p>To wit, there&#8217;s her <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006431.htm" rel="nofollow">poll</a> that asked: &#8220;Who&#8217;s the biggest terrorist propaganda tool?&#8221; (The New York Times beat out the AP 40%-35%.) This is one of several posts where Malkin refers to the AP as &#8220;Associated (with terrorists) Press&#8221;.</p>
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