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		<title>By: nicks.txt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hola</title>
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		<dc:creator>hola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shitty bastard</description>
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		<title>By: passenger van rental new jersey</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-217838</link>
		<dc:creator>passenger van rental new jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good site. Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; Stalk-stoss Hedgin'</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-198565</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; Stalk-stoss Hedgin'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 17:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] well, well. Look who&#8217;s back! It&#8217;s Tacky Skystalker, Dark Lord of the Pith Helmet, and this time he&#8217;s not here to advocate concentration camps (that&#8217;s so, like, months [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] well, well. Look who&#8217;s back! It&#8217;s Tacky Skystalker, Dark Lord of the Pith Helmet, and this time he&#8217;s not here to advocate concentration camps (that&#8217;s so, like, months [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; Lovely</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-192483</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; Lovely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 13:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Englishmen in jodhpurs and pith helmets.&#8221; They make no bones about the fact that they &#8220;endorse doing cruel things in war,&#8221; and that success in Iraq might require taking similar actions as those taken in the Boer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Englishmen in jodhpurs and pith helmets.&#8221; They make no bones about the fact that they &#8220;endorse doing cruel things in war,&#8221; and that success in Iraq might require taking similar actions as those taken in the Boer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lucifer</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-126117</link>
		<dc:creator>lucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t kids who write words like this get sent to counselling and has thier name put in the book marked &quot;psychotics&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t kids who write words like this get sent to counselling and has thier name put in the book marked &#8220;psychotics&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-116395</link>
		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Romans used effective techniques to keep conquests submissive. Kill a Roman soldier &amp; reprisals were stiffâ€“and local leaders were likely to be part of it, including providing family members as hostages. After a few samples of Roman justice local leaders would turn over malcontents before active insurrection got very far. Worked for hundreds of years, most placesâ€“even in Palestineâ€“and the Romans did not need massive numbers of troops to keep provinces under control.&lt;/i&gt;

See, the problem here is there was this great big war like sixty years ago.  Some goddam cocky nation won that conflict, and in the city of Nuremburg created a set of rules that have since been adopted by the rest of the world.  The rules described behaviors that they called &quot;war crimes&quot; and &quot;crimes against humanity&quot;.  The aggressive invasion and occupation of another nation with whom you are at peace, for example, was a &quot;crime against humanity&quot;.  Collective punishment, as described by the thug and quoted above, is a war crime.  Now lemme think here, who was that meddling nation that came up with all this obstructionist crap?

mikey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Romans used effective techniques to keep conquests submissive. Kill a Roman soldier &amp; reprisals were stiffâ€“and local leaders were likely to be part of it, including providing family members as hostages. After a few samples of Roman justice local leaders would turn over malcontents before active insurrection got very far. Worked for hundreds of years, most placesâ€“even in Palestineâ€“and the Romans did not need massive numbers of troops to keep provinces under control.</i></p>
<p>See, the problem here is there was this great big war like sixty years ago.  Some goddam cocky nation won that conflict, and in the city of Nuremburg created a set of rules that have since been adopted by the rest of the world.  The rules described behaviors that they called &#8220;war crimes&#8221; and &#8220;crimes against humanity&#8221;.  The aggressive invasion and occupation of another nation with whom you are at peace, for example, was a &#8220;crime against humanity&#8221;.  Collective punishment, as described by the thug and quoted above, is a war crime.  Now lemme think here, who was that meddling nation that came up with all this obstructionist crap?</p>
<p>mikey</p>
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		<title>By: Vortex(t) :: &#8220;Add more dead Americans and stir&#8221; is not a substitute for competent foreign policy.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vortex(t) :: &#8220;Add more dead Americans and stir&#8221; is not a substitute for competent foreign policy.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also, Sadly, No! quotes/ pillories some exceptionally chilling right-winger crap in â€˜The Surge Wonâ€™t Work, But Concentration Camps Might Do The Trickâ€™. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also, Sadly, No! quotes/ pillories some exceptionally chilling right-winger crap in â€˜The Surge Wonâ€™t Work, But Concentration Camps Might Do The Trickâ€™. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-116059</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenician in a time of Romans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 05:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Romans used effective techniques to keep conquests submissive. Kill a Roman soldier &amp; reprisals were stiffâ€“and local leaders were likely to be part of it, including providing family members as hostages. After a few samples of Roman justice local leaders would turn over malcontents before active insurrection got very far. Worked for hundreds of years, most placesâ€“even in Palestineâ€“and the Romans did not need massive numbers of troops to keep provinces under control.&lt;/i&gt;

The Romans were explicit in trying to establish an Empire.  They wanted to conquer the known world so they could extract loot and slaves from it, and made no bones about that fact.

They didn&#039;t, for example, pretend to be bringing democracy and freedom to those whose lands they occupied and resources they stole...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Romans used effective techniques to keep conquests submissive. Kill a Roman soldier &amp; reprisals were stiffâ€“and local leaders were likely to be part of it, including providing family members as hostages. After a few samples of Roman justice local leaders would turn over malcontents before active insurrection got very far. Worked for hundreds of years, most placesâ€“even in Palestineâ€“and the Romans did not need massive numbers of troops to keep provinces under control.</i></p>
<p>The Romans were explicit in trying to establish an Empire.  They wanted to conquer the known world so they could extract loot and slaves from it, and made no bones about that fact.</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t, for example, pretend to be bringing democracy and freedom to those whose lands they occupied and resources they stole&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Holland</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-116039</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not responsible for the lack of &#039; and such in the TMBG lyrics I pasted.

I still haven&#039;t gotten used to the reappearance of the Preview button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not responsible for the lack of &#8216; and such in the TMBG lyrics I pasted.</p>
<p>I still haven&#8217;t gotten used to the reappearance of the Preview button.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Holland</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-116038</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They Might Be Giants covered the Gromit/Ticky Tack thing years ago:

This is where the party ends
I cant stand here listening to you
And your racist friend
I know politics bore you
But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you
And your racist friend

It was the loveliest party that Ive ever attended
If anything was broken Im sure it could be mended
My head cant tolerate this bobbing and pretending
Listen to some bullet-head and the madness that hes saying

Out from the kitchen to the bedroom to the hallway
Your friend apologizes, he could see it my way
He let the contents of the bottle do the thinking
Cant shake the devils hand and say youre only kidding

This is where the party ends
I cant stand here listening to you
And your racist friend
I know politics bore you
But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you
And your racist friend</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They Might Be Giants covered the Gromit/Ticky Tack thing years ago:</p>
<p>This is where the party ends<br />
I cant stand here listening to you<br />
And your racist friend<br />
I know politics bore you<br />
But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you<br />
And your racist friend</p>
<p>It was the loveliest party that Ive ever attended<br />
If anything was broken Im sure it could be mended<br />
My head cant tolerate this bobbing and pretending<br />
Listen to some bullet-head and the madness that hes saying</p>
<p>Out from the kitchen to the bedroom to the hallway<br />
Your friend apologizes, he could see it my way<br />
He let the contents of the bottle do the thinking<br />
Cant shake the devils hand and say youre only kidding</p>
<p>This is where the party ends<br />
I cant stand here listening to you<br />
And your racist friend<br />
I know politics bore you<br />
But I feel like a hypocrite talking to you<br />
And your racist friend</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Rove II</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-115983</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Rove II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But why would a Wookie live on Endor?! It doesnâ€™t make any sense! &quot;

Maybe said Wookie has a loli thing for Ewoks?

I&#039;ll stop there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But why would a Wookie live on Endor?! It doesnâ€™t make any sense! &#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe said Wookie has a loli thing for Ewoks?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stop there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gromit</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-115968</link>
		<dc:creator>Gromit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it looks like I have completely failed in conveying why I find the use of the photo upsetting.  I&#039;m not the least bit bothered by any of your reactions to it, but rather by the reactions of those who were actually connected to the event, particularly since, but for my bringing along that prop replica, the photo never would not have held the slightest interest in the first place.

To those of you who replied that the photo was not readily identifiable, or that &quot;no one&quot; could possibly know the context, I&#039;ll just say that not everything is about you.

So, in that sense, the new image doesn&#039;t help in the least, but I can see I&#039;m not making any headway here, so I&#039;ll give up.

Thanks to those of you who spoke up in support of me, though.  That was kind, and I won&#039;t soon forget it.  And thanks to Retardo for at least giving the matter some thought, even if the result isn&#039;t the one I would have preferred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like I have completely failed in conveying why I find the use of the photo upsetting.  I&#8217;m not the least bit bothered by any of your reactions to it, but rather by the reactions of those who were actually connected to the event, particularly since, but for my bringing along that prop replica, the photo never would not have held the slightest interest in the first place.</p>
<p>To those of you who replied that the photo was not readily identifiable, or that &#8220;no one&#8221; could possibly know the context, I&#8217;ll just say that not everything is about you.</p>
<p>So, in that sense, the new image doesn&#8217;t help in the least, but I can see I&#8217;m not making any headway here, so I&#8217;ll give up.</p>
<p>Thanks to those of you who spoke up in support of me, though.  That was kind, and I won&#8217;t soon forget it.  And thanks to Retardo for at least giving the matter some thought, even if the result isn&#8217;t the one I would have preferred.</p>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome! It looks like some freaky terrorist web broadcast where Trevino is about to behead the hostage Rick Moranis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome! It looks like some freaky terrorist web broadcast where Trevino is about to behead the hostage Rick Moranis.</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-115930</link>
		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is that better?&lt;/i&gt;

Haw!

Actually, I even like this version better, thanks Retardo.

OK, Gromit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is that better?</i></p>
<p>Haw!</p>
<p>Actually, I even like this version better, thanks Retardo.</p>
<p>OK, Gromit?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-115906</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Say, I think I have a solution to this photo problem. (See this space tomorrow.)&lt;/i&gt;  

Ah, now *that&#039;s* a solution.  

Cruel, perhaps, but to eschew cruelty in blogging is folly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Say, I think I have a solution to this photo problem. (See this space tomorrow.)</i>  </p>
<p>Ah, now *that&#8217;s* a solution.  </p>
<p>Cruel, perhaps, but to eschew cruelty in blogging is folly.</p>
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		<title>By: Retardo Montalban</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-115903</link>
		<dc:creator>Retardo Montalban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that better?

*Nothing* I did was improper. *Everything* the picture&#039;s subject has done is wicked and stupid and as such, deserves to be humiliated in an ethical way. But there was one objection, which was politely and logically rebutted and still...

Heaven forbid that Jenna or the old man shed public tears if Dubya is ever impeached or prosecuted; how many will say, &#039;aww, let him off for their sake&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that better?</p>
<p>*Nothing* I did was improper. *Everything* the picture&#8217;s subject has done is wicked and stupid and as such, deserves to be humiliated in an ethical way. But there was one objection, which was politely and logically rebutted and still&#8230;</p>
<p>Heaven forbid that Jenna or the old man shed public tears if Dubya is ever impeached or prosecuted; how many will say, &#8216;aww, let him off for their sake&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: atheist</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-115892</link>
		<dc:creator>atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retardo:

Why not just take the picture down?  Gromit was asking politely, not making a huge scene.  The picture is funny, to be sure, but it&#039;s not like some huge coup against the wingnuts or something.  Why not just take it down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retardo:</p>
<p>Why not just take the picture down?  Gromit was asking politely, not making a huge scene.  The picture is funny, to be sure, but it&#8217;s not like some huge coup against the wingnuts or something.  Why not just take it down?</p>
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		<title>By: InsaneInTheCheneyBrain</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-115883</link>
		<dc:creator>InsaneInTheCheneyBrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gromit, your &quot;friend&quot; is advocating CONCENTRATION CAMPS, and you&#039;re whining about a fucking picture of him that was publically posted?

&quot;Hey, Hitler&#039;s my buddy -- stop clowning on him!&quot;

Fuck you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gromit, your &#8220;friend&#8221; is advocating CONCENTRATION CAMPS, and you&#8217;re whining about a fucking picture of him that was publically posted?</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey, Hitler&#8217;s my buddy &#8212; stop clowning on him!&#8221;</p>
<p>Fuck you.</p>
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		<title>By: 12Quarts</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4793.html#comment-115833</link>
		<dc:creator>12Quarts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wanna celebrate victory, or not?  Stuff happens, y&#039;know?  

The Romans used effective techniques to keep conquests submissive.  Kill a Roman soldier &amp; reprisals were stiff--and local leaders were likely to be part of it, including providing family members as hostages.  After a few samples of Roman justice local leaders would turn over malcontents before active insurrection got very far.  Worked for hundreds of years, most places--even in Palestine--and the Romans did not need massive numbers of troops to keep provinces under control.  

Others have tried the same tactics with less effective results, but there are many examples of other successes throughout history.  A key to the technique is that it requires the occupying forces to forgo the luxury of thinking of themselves as the good guys; the idea is that fear, and not love, respect, justice, ethics or morality is  what produces success, at least initially.  If the U.S. goal is to establish control (the &quot;monopoly on violence&quot; that was a topic a year or so ago) then this technique may be the only way left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wanna celebrate victory, or not?  Stuff happens, y&#8217;know?  </p>
<p>The Romans used effective techniques to keep conquests submissive.  Kill a Roman soldier &amp; reprisals were stiff&#8211;and local leaders were likely to be part of it, including providing family members as hostages.  After a few samples of Roman justice local leaders would turn over malcontents before active insurrection got very far.  Worked for hundreds of years, most places&#8211;even in Palestine&#8211;and the Romans did not need massive numbers of troops to keep provinces under control.  </p>
<p>Others have tried the same tactics with less effective results, but there are many examples of other successes throughout history.  A key to the technique is that it requires the occupying forces to forgo the luxury of thinking of themselves as the good guys; the idea is that fear, and not love, respect, justice, ethics or morality is  what produces success, at least initially.  If the U.S. goal is to establish control (the &#8220;monopoly on violence&#8221; that was a topic a year or so ago) then this technique may be the only way left.</p>
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