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		<title>By: KH</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4775.html/comment-page-2#comment-115877</link>
		<dc:creator>KH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please stop using that terrible picture.  Really, I&#039;m serious, it&#039;s just not right.  How would &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; like to look like that?</description>
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		<title>By: Rainbow's Gravity</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4775.html/comment-page-2#comment-115709</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainbow's Gravity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;allan said,
The Twins fell at a rate faster than gravity will allow unassisted.&lt;/i&gt;

Well what were you suggesting? That the WTC had huge magnets installed in the basement, to be turned on at the crucial moment and accelerate the top floors downwards? Or were you thinking of giant downward-facing rockets installed on the top floors? Even in one of those weird scenarios with the demolition charges, once they explode, gravity is what brings the top of a building pancaking down on the lower floors. 

OK, the Sadly,Nocracy are Mean Kids, but your post does kind of call out for a impolite response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>allan said,<br />
The Twins fell at a rate faster than gravity will allow unassisted.</i></p>
<p>Well what were you suggesting? That the WTC had huge magnets installed in the basement, to be turned on at the crucial moment and accelerate the top floors downwards? Or were you thinking of giant downward-facing rockets installed on the top floors? Even in one of those weird scenarios with the demolition charges, once they explode, gravity is what brings the top of a building pancaking down on the lower floors. </p>
<p>OK, the Sadly,Nocracy are Mean Kids, but your post does kind of call out for a impolite response.</p>
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		<title>By: allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hereby withdraw all perceived &quot;innuendos&quot; and &quot;allegations&quot; I never intended, as i am clearly the stupidest mutherfucker ever to walk the planet. did i leave anything out? oh yeah, i am ignorant and have no credibility to offer. never said i had or was shit though. nice bunch of folks here. no you don&#039;t have to be polite at all. thanks for the lesson in not commenting. i knew i didn&#039;t have shit to say, just questions to ask, so why did i come here? fuckin&#039; idjit, like i said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hereby withdraw all perceived &#8220;innuendos&#8221; and &#8220;allegations&#8221; I never intended, as i am clearly the stupidest mutherfucker ever to walk the planet. did i leave anything out? oh yeah, i am ignorant and have no credibility to offer. never said i had or was shit though. nice bunch of folks here. no you don&#8217;t have to be polite at all. thanks for the lesson in not commenting. i knew i didn&#8217;t have shit to say, just questions to ask, so why did i come here? fuckin&#8217; idjit, like i said.</p>
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		<title>By: Aquagirl</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4775.html/comment-page-2#comment-115244</link>
		<dc:creator>Aquagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other news, the (DC) metro stank this evening.  I immediately suspected Al Qaeda of attacking us with rotten fish that it had gotten at the Port of Miami through some contacts it had with this guy in Jersey.

Um, Allan, you who throws out allegations and innuendo without even the most basic facts, I never said I was at home when the plane hit.  I was driving north on 395 from my home (then in the Fairlington area) into DC.  Take a look at the map, I was just coming up to Fort Myer on my left and the Pentagon was almost dead ahead.  http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;q=pentagon&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=32.527387,59.238281&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;om=1&amp;z=15&amp;ll=38.865108,-77.061067&amp;spn=0.015605,0.028925.  Right before there, you come up a hill, so I didn&#039;t see the plane till I crested the hill.  I didn&#039;t take a picture bcs I didn&#039;t have a camera and I was concentrating on not hyperventilating and going &quot;Holy fucking shit&quot; while trying not to crash my car on a major highway.  Multitasking like we do here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other news, the (DC) metro stank this evening.  I immediately suspected Al Qaeda of attacking us with rotten fish that it had gotten at the Port of Miami through some contacts it had with this guy in Jersey.</p>
<p>Um, Allan, you who throws out allegations and innuendo without even the most basic facts, I never said I was at home when the plane hit.  I was driving north on 395 from my home (then in the Fairlington area) into DC.  Take a look at the map, I was just coming up to Fort Myer on my left and the Pentagon was almost dead ahead.  <a href="http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;q=pentagon&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=32.527387,59.238281&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;om=1&amp;z=15&amp;ll=38.865108,-77.061067&amp;spn=0.015605,0.028925" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;q=pentagon&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=32.527387,59.238281&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;om=1&amp;z=15&amp;ll=38.865108,-77.061067&amp;spn=0.015605,0.028925</a>.  Right before there, you come up a hill, so I didn&#8217;t see the plane till I crested the hill.  I didn&#8217;t take a picture bcs I didn&#8217;t have a camera and I was concentrating on not hyperventilating and going &#8220;Holy fucking shit&#8221; while trying not to crash my car on a major highway.  Multitasking like we do here.</p>
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		<title>By: tb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™m nobody and have no credibility to lose.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No shit. What say we grow the fuck up. If you can&#039;t conceive of how this happened unaided by the shadowy minions maybe it&#039;s because your knowledge is lacking and you need to GET SOME MORE GOD DAMNED INFORMATION!!! 

hur hur hur 

Excuse me. I get sick of this magical-thinking let&#039;s-wank-a-bit-and-pretend-it&#039;s-real bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Iâ€™m nobody and have no credibility to lose.</p></blockquote>
<p>No shit. What say we grow the fuck up. If you can&#8217;t conceive of how this happened unaided by the shadowy minions maybe it&#8217;s because your knowledge is lacking and you need to GET SOME MORE GOD DAMNED INFORMATION!!! </p>
<p>hur hur hur </p>
<p>Excuse me. I get sick of this magical-thinking let&#8217;s-wank-a-bit-and-pretend-it&#8217;s-real bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Again Bubba, thanks for the link.&lt;/i&gt;

No problem, and I like it, but I took it from some other SN commenter who deserves the credit.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4538.html#comment-105189&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here it is.&lt;/a&gt;  Thank you Woodrowfan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Again Bubba, thanks for the link.</i></p>
<p>No problem, and I like it, but I took it from some other SN commenter who deserves the credit.  <a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4538.html#comment-105189" rel="nofollow">Here it is.</a>  Thank you Woodrowfan.</p>
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		<title>By: Gory Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gory Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cuz I&#039;m a dick, ok?  Jeez, do I have to be nice here too?

Besides, I love the &quot;morans&quot; meme; it makes me happy happy happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cuz I&#8217;m a dick, ok?  Jeez, do I have to be nice here too?</p>
<p>Besides, I love the &#8220;morans&#8221; meme; it makes me happy happy happy.</p>
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		<title>By: owlbear1</title>
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		<dc:creator>owlbear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the fuck you, but why the insults in your comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the fuck you, but why the insults in your comment?</p>
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		<title>By: Gory Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gory Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, yes.  Fuck me.  Okie dokie.

In terms of high-rise fires, WTC was a complete anomaly.  Fire shielding adds HOURS of protection against fires, plenty of time to allow firefighters to respond.  No shielding, and you lose that response time.  There&#039;s never been a high-rise fire similar to WTC, and, insh&#039;Allah, there won&#039;t ever be again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, yes.  Fuck me.  Okie dokie.</p>
<p>In terms of high-rise fires, WTC was a complete anomaly.  Fire shielding adds HOURS of protection against fires, plenty of time to allow firefighters to respond.  No shielding, and you lose that response time.  There&#8217;s never been a high-rise fire similar to WTC, and, insh&#8217;Allah, there won&#8217;t ever be again.</p>
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		<title>By: owlbear1</title>
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		<dc:creator>owlbear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gory? Fuck You.</description>
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		<title>By: owlbear1</title>
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		<dc:creator>owlbear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A little north of Vesey I said, weâ€™ll go down, letâ€™s see whatâ€™s going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see whatâ€™s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didnâ€™t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didnâ€™t look good. 
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That certainly answers a lot of my questions.
Again Bubba, thanks for the link.

 Allen you really ought to take a look at it as well.

http://www.debunking911.com/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A little north of Vesey I said, weâ€™ll go down, letâ€™s see whatâ€™s going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see whatâ€™s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didnâ€™t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didnâ€™t look good.<br />
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That certainly answers a lot of my questions.<br />
Again Bubba, thanks for the link.</p>
<p> Allen you really ought to take a look at it as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.debunking911.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.debunking911.com/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gory Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gory Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>allan: &lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m nobody and have no credibility to lose. &lt;/i&gt;

Sadly, No.  Try: I&#039;m ignorant and have no credibility to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>allan: <i>Iâ€™m nobody and have no credibility to lose. </i></p>
<p>Sadly, No.  Try: I&#8217;m ignorant and have no credibility to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Gory Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gory Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>owlbear1: &lt;i&gt;Until 9/11, no steel frame tower had ever collapsed from burning. It was not thought possible because of Steelâ€™s high heat resistance. With thousands of high rise towers in this country, its something we need to understand. &lt;/i&gt;

Steel has shit for heat resistance, as M. Sphinx has pointed out upthread.  That&#039;s why you see protective coatings applied during construction (they look like spray-on concrete cottage cheese).  The theory for the WTC collapse is that the impact of the jet (one-half-em-vee-squared, baby) created enough force to knock off the coating from the steel beams, exposing them to burning kerosene and weakening them.  Once the first floor fell through, it was all over.

NOVA had a story on this last year, and from where I sit -- with my smarty-pants engineering degree -- it was pretty compelling.  Not nearly as interesting as remote control drones, Jew-free office zones, and carefully placed demolition charges, but interesting in a &quot;oh, that&#039;s how the physical world works&quot; kind of way.

Morans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>owlbear1: <i>Until 9/11, no steel frame tower had ever collapsed from burning. It was not thought possible because of Steelâ€™s high heat resistance. With thousands of high rise towers in this country, its something we need to understand. </i></p>
<p>Steel has shit for heat resistance, as M. Sphinx has pointed out upthread.  That&#8217;s why you see protective coatings applied during construction (they look like spray-on concrete cottage cheese).  The theory for the WTC collapse is that the impact of the jet (one-half-em-vee-squared, baby) created enough force to knock off the coating from the steel beams, exposing them to burning kerosene and weakening them.  Once the first floor fell through, it was all over.</p>
<p>NOVA had a story on this last year, and from where I sit &#8212; with my smarty-pants engineering degree &#8212; it was pretty compelling.  Not nearly as interesting as remote control drones, Jew-free office zones, and carefully placed demolition charges, but interesting in a &#8220;oh, that&#8217;s how the physical world works&#8221; kind of way.</p>
<p>Morans.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the typos folks.  Seems that my keyboard is rather sticky.
Long story.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the typos folks.  Seems that my keyboard is rather sticky.<br />
Long story&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Betty Guise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty Guise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one puzzling item re 9/11.  After Andy Card told Bush that we had been attacked, he sat there for what, 7 minutes?, staring into space.
If we were indeed under a real attack, would&#039;t the Secret Service have hustlled him out the room immediately? Very odd that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one puzzling item re 9/11.  After Andy Card told Bush that we had been attacked, he sat there for what, 7 minutes?, staring into space.<br />
If we were indeed under a real attack, would&#8217;t the Secret Service have hustlled him out the room immediately? Very odd that.</p>
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		<title>By: allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speed of acceleration is still speed to a layman, methinks, and though my grasp of physics doesn&#039;t approach yours, you know what I meant, i think.

the overall duration of time each of the towers took to fall was faster than (rather than slower than, in order to account for the time it took to gather up kinetically and transform the lower, untouched, undamaged floors&#039; -- or their supportive structures&#039; -- stored, mostly inert energy into free-falling weight) the speed they &quot;should&quot; have taken without extra assistance beyond what is accepted as the entire cause of all of the collapses: the plane strikes and subsequent burning off of the jet fuel.

I&#039;m nobody and have no credibility to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speed of acceleration is still speed to a layman, methinks, and though my grasp of physics doesn&#8217;t approach yours, you know what I meant, i think.</p>
<p>the overall duration of time each of the towers took to fall was faster than (rather than slower than, in order to account for the time it took to gather up kinetically and transform the lower, untouched, undamaged floors&#8217; &#8212; or their supportive structures&#8217; &#8212; stored, mostly inert energy into free-falling weight) the speed they &#8220;should&#8221; have taken without extra assistance beyond what is accepted as the entire cause of all of the collapses: the plane strikes and subsequent burning off of the jet fuel.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m nobody and have no credibility to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: owlbear1</title>
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		<dc:creator>owlbear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bubba thanks for that link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bubba thanks for that link.</p>
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		<title>By: allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was intending to cite it&#039;s use as an &quot;air bus&quot;, a slow, large plane, rather than anything quick, highly maneuverable. Didn&#039;t mean to say it&#039;s model was an &quot;AirBus&quot; or whatever as that is a specific model as you say</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was intending to cite it&#8217;s use as an &#8220;air bus&#8221;, a slow, large plane, rather than anything quick, highly maneuverable. Didn&#8217;t mean to say it&#8217;s model was an &#8220;AirBus&#8221; or whatever as that is a specific model as you say</p>
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		<title>By: M.Sphinx</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.Sphinx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you John Owens and Karl Rove. Never thought I&#039;d say that.</description>
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		<title>By: BrooklynRaider</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrooklynRaider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry - I hadn&#039;t realized this had become a 9/11 conspiracy thread.

Myself, I blame the Cubans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t realized this had become a 9/11 conspiracy thread.</p>
<p>Myself, I blame the Cubans.</p>
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