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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-1015418</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Conservative radio hosts have been claiming that liberal criticism of Bush’s decisiveness in invading Iraq mirrors the shilly-shallying of 1930s intellectuals during Hitler’s rise. The intellectuals, with their cultivated internationalism, always counsel procrastination and leave it to the men of action to deal forcefully with fascist regimes.&quot;

Dumb fucking -

The internationalists were the people SCREAMING to do something about Hitler before it was too late, you prissy, sanctimonious bitch.  Who the fuck do you think was calling for isolation and procrastination?  The same stupid right-wing shits you&#039;re currently defending - the people who thought since Hitler was anti-communist and allowed Wall Street to do business in Germany, he couldn&#039;t be all that bad.  Which, come to think of it, isn&#039;t all that different from how Newt Gingrich and his posse spent the entire 1990s saying &quot;Okay, no more commies, no more American presence abroad.&quot;

And how the fuck does a woman who criticizes government intervention and the nanny state get the idea that Ralph Nader would be a contribution to the system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Conservative radio hosts have been claiming that liberal criticism of Bush’s decisiveness in invading Iraq mirrors the shilly-shallying of 1930s intellectuals during Hitler’s rise. The intellectuals, with their cultivated internationalism, always counsel procrastination and leave it to the men of action to deal forcefully with fascist regimes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dumb fucking -</p>
<p>The internationalists were the people SCREAMING to do something about Hitler before it was too late, you prissy, sanctimonious bitch.  Who the fuck do you think was calling for isolation and procrastination?  The same stupid right-wing shits you&#8217;re currently defending &#8211; the people who thought since Hitler was anti-communist and allowed Wall Street to do business in Germany, he couldn&#8217;t be all that bad.  Which, come to think of it, isn&#8217;t all that different from how Newt Gingrich and his posse spent the entire 1990s saying &#8220;Okay, no more commies, no more American presence abroad.&#8221;</p>
<p>And how the fuck does a woman who criticizes government intervention and the nanny state get the idea that Ralph Nader would be a contribution to the system?</p>
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		<title>By: blinky</title>
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		<dc:creator>blinky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a theorist, or personality, or whatever the fuck she was supposed to be, Paglia was always a barking dog. As far as politics, I can tell you I&#039;m in art school in a major city right now, and she still comes off as twenty times more informed than a lot of the grad students in critical studies, I&#039;m sorry to say. That doesn&#039;t make her less of a twat. At all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a theorist, or personality, or whatever the fuck she was supposed to be, Paglia was always a barking dog. As far as politics, I can tell you I&#8217;m in art school in a major city right now, and she still comes off as twenty times more informed than a lot of the grad students in critical studies, I&#8217;m sorry to say. That doesn&#8217;t make her less of a twat. At all.</p>
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		<title>By: Hate Encrusted Eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90543</link>
		<dc:creator>Hate Encrusted Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can we say about CP. 
She needs to get the ivory tower out of her ass and come back to earth.
I get the feeling she hates reality and at the tender age of ?50? she can no longer really come out of her &quot;construct&quot;
She a thinking nutcase. Sometimes dangerous. Sometimes harmless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can we say about CP.<br />
She needs to get the ivory tower out of her ass and come back to earth.<br />
I get the feeling she hates reality and at the tender age of ?50? she can no longer really come out of her &#8220;construct&#8221;<br />
She a thinking nutcase. Sometimes dangerous. Sometimes harmless.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90330</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t she say that John Kerry would be a great presidential candidate because he has good hair? She&#039;s glib and shallow, the epitome of what&#039;s wrong with a lot of humanities scholarship today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t she say that John Kerry would be a great presidential candidate because he has good hair? She&#8217;s glib and shallow, the epitome of what&#8217;s wrong with a lot of humanities scholarship today.</p>
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		<title>By: rea</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90278</link>
		<dc:creator>rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Itâ€™s a formula at the heart of Platoâ€™s dialogues, as in the Symposium, which shows Socrates in love with but also declining sex with the handsome young Alcibiades.&quot;

Sadly, no.  Alcibiades was born 450 BC, and the Symposium recounts the incident in Symposium took place after the Battle of Delium in 424 BC--Al was 26 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s a formula at the heart of Platoâ€™s dialogues, as in the Symposium, which shows Socrates in love with but also declining sex with the handsome young Alcibiades.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadly, no.  Alcibiades was born 450 BC, and the Symposium recounts the incident in Symposium took place after the Battle of Delium in 424 BC&#8211;Al was 26 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90270</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jas said,

&quot;Sheâ€™s the worldâ€™s most famous concern troll!

Or waitâ€¦do you have to understand the issues to be a concern troll?&quot;

Camille is too self-absorbed to be a concern-troll. No doubt  the result of spending too many hours enthralled at the sight of her own vagina in a hand-mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jas said,</p>
<p>&#8220;Sheâ€™s the worldâ€™s most famous concern troll!</p>
<p>Or waitâ€¦do you have to understand the issues to be a concern troll?&#8221;</p>
<p>Camille is too self-absorbed to be a concern-troll. No doubt  the result of spending too many hours enthralled at the sight of her own vagina in a hand-mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90269</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every feminist who wants to smash the glass ceiling should realize she has a stake in Condi Riceâ€™s success.&quot;

Yes, we too can sleep our way to the top--or let everyone believe that we did! 

If Camille thinks women need to be &quot;empowered&quot; by people like Condoleezza Rice, her views on feminism are about as archaic and quaint as the Republicans&#039; views on the Geneva convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every feminist who wants to smash the glass ceiling should realize she has a stake in Condi Riceâ€™s success.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, we too can sleep our way to the top&#8211;or let everyone believe that we did! </p>
<p>If Camille thinks women need to be &#8220;empowered&#8221; by people like Condoleezza Rice, her views on feminism are about as archaic and quaint as the Republicans&#8217; views on the Geneva convention.</p>
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		<title>By: garage mahal</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90220</link>
		<dc:creator>garage mahal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter Paglia

Let&#039;s just fuck, and stay out of the Republican&#039;s way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Paglia</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just fuck, and stay out of the Republican&#8217;s way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill S</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90209</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phoenix, are you saying she wears a &quot;strap-on&quot;?
Why am I not surprised?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phoenix, are you saying she wears a &#8220;strap-on&#8221;?<br />
Why am I not surprised?</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CP&#039;s nothing more than Ayn Rand in biker gear.  Her attitude toward sex is very much like that of the ancient Greeks, who held that it was good to be the fuckER and bad to be the fuckEE, no matter what gender you were.  If you were known to have been fucked by a man, you had no civic rights.  Period.  But if you fucked men/boys or women/girls, that was OK.  (Short version:  &quot;It&#039;s not &#039;gay&#039; if you&#039;re the &#039;guy&#039;.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CP&#8217;s nothing more than Ayn Rand in biker gear.  Her attitude toward sex is very much like that of the ancient Greeks, who held that it was good to be the fuckER and bad to be the fuckEE, no matter what gender you were.  If you were known to have been fucked by a man, you had no civic rights.  Period.  But if you fucked men/boys or women/girls, that was OK.  (Short version:  &#8220;It&#8217;s not &#8216;gay&#8217; if you&#8217;re the &#8216;guy&#8217;.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90127</link>
		<dc:creator>pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill- She said that Sheppard had brought it on himself because he left with those guys, having been attracted to their brutishness and the idea of rough sex.  She then generalized gay sexuality as eroticized violence and masochism. Someething that goes back to the ancient Greeks of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill- She said that Sheppard had brought it on himself because he left with those guys, having been attracted to their brutishness and the idea of rough sex.  She then generalized gay sexuality as eroticized violence and masochism. Someething that goes back to the ancient Greeks of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill S</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90082</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She also seems to take delight in violence against gay men, and made some really disgusting remarks about Matthew Sheppard, famously beaten to death a few years ago.&quot;
She did? I&#039;m so glad I missed that. I guess she&#039;s an even bigger nitwit than I already thought she was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She also seems to take delight in violence against gay men, and made some really disgusting remarks about Matthew Sheppard, famously beaten to death a few years ago.&#8221;<br />
She did? I&#8217;m so glad I missed that. I guess she&#8217;s an even bigger nitwit than I already thought she was.</p>
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		<title>By: Schwag of Tulsa</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90077</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwag of Tulsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been disappointed in Nader since he killed the Corvair.</description>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90075</link>
		<dc:creator>pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Salonâ€™s battinâ€™ 1.000. First they gave David Horowitz a platform, and they continue to waste electrons on Pagliaâ€“and they wonder why people arenâ€™t subscribing.&quot;

I once wrote David Talbot about that, and he actually responded. Lamely, but at least he wrote back. Don&#039;t forgot Salon also wanted your money so they could give it to such intellectual luminaries as Norah Vincent, and Andrew Sullivan.

Does anyone even give attention to Paglia anymore?  Paglia used to claim that she admired gay men and enjoyed gay male porn, but she&#039;s also claimed that more men are becoming gay because women have given up on being &quot;glamorous&quot;.  She also seems to take delight in violence agains gay men, and made some really disgusting remarks about Mathew Sheppard, famously beaten to death a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Salonâ€™s battinâ€™ 1.000. First they gave David Horowitz a platform, and they continue to waste electrons on Pagliaâ€“and they wonder why people arenâ€™t subscribing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I once wrote David Talbot about that, and he actually responded. Lamely, but at least he wrote back. Don&#8217;t forgot Salon also wanted your money so they could give it to such intellectual luminaries as Norah Vincent, and Andrew Sullivan.</p>
<p>Does anyone even give attention to Paglia anymore?  Paglia used to claim that she admired gay men and enjoyed gay male porn, but she&#8217;s also claimed that more men are becoming gay because women have given up on being &#8220;glamorous&#8221;.  She also seems to take delight in violence agains gay men, and made some really disgusting remarks about Mathew Sheppard, famously beaten to death a few years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: DocAmazing</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocAmazing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late thought:  turn Paglia loose on Ann Althouse.  That would be an affair to remember!</description>
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		<title>By: DocAmazing</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90052</link>
		<dc:creator>DocAmazing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice that you never see George Will and Camille Paglia in the same photo.  Hmmmm...

Salon&#039;s battin&#039; 1.000.  First they gave David Horowitz a platform, and they continue to waste electrons on Paglia--and they wonder why people aren&#039;t subscribing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice that you never see George Will and Camille Paglia in the same photo.  Hmmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>Salon&#8217;s battin&#8217; 1.000.  First they gave David Horowitz a platform, and they continue to waste electrons on Paglia&#8211;and they wonder why people aren&#8217;t subscribing.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-90037</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the last person actually paying attention to what Paglia says please tell her to shut the fuck up?</description>
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		<title>By: mmm...lemonheads</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-89694</link>
		<dc:creator>mmm...lemonheads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally figured out the picture - she&#039;s playing a theremin.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4080.html/comment-page-2#comment-89571</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camille is truly &quot;batshit crazy.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
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		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, she&#039;s actually just factually wrong in a lot of those quotes.  A lot.  Her comments demonstrate not a poor interpretation of the facts but rather just profound ignorance.    To me the most glaring:

&quot;Liberal secularism has become bourgeois and materialistic.&quot;  
Um, NO. 
&quot;Liberal secularism&quot; started out &quot;bourgeois and materialistic,&quot; and that that was the entire fucking point.  &quot;Liberal secularism&quot; was a political reaction by a new middle class, one whose economic well-being depended on trade in goods and ideas, to the disruptive economic effects of religious reaction - e.g. suppression of new scientific ideas, institutionalized religious persecution leading to civil war, etc.   Criticizing &quot;Liberal secularism&quot; for becoming &quot;bourgeois and materialistic&quot; is like criticizing plants for having become too green and photosynthetic.

This kind of glaring, obvious factual error runs through everything she says.  She&#039;s trying to make up for a lack of command of the basic material with an expansive vocabulary.   It&#039;s called bullshit.

(And that&#039;s without getting into the completely fucking boneheaded stupid interpretation of politics she&#039;s peddling.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, she&#8217;s actually just factually wrong in a lot of those quotes.  A lot.  Her comments demonstrate not a poor interpretation of the facts but rather just profound ignorance.    To me the most glaring:</p>
<p>&#8220;Liberal secularism has become bourgeois and materialistic.&#8221;<br />
Um, NO.<br />
&#8220;Liberal secularism&#8221; started out &#8220;bourgeois and materialistic,&#8221; and that that was the entire fucking point.  &#8220;Liberal secularism&#8221; was a political reaction by a new middle class, one whose economic well-being depended on trade in goods and ideas, to the disruptive economic effects of religious reaction &#8211; e.g. suppression of new scientific ideas, institutionalized religious persecution leading to civil war, etc.   Criticizing &#8220;Liberal secularism&#8221; for becoming &#8220;bourgeois and materialistic&#8221; is like criticizing plants for having become too green and photosynthetic.</p>
<p>This kind of glaring, obvious factual error runs through everything she says.  She&#8217;s trying to make up for a lack of command of the basic material with an expansive vocabulary.   It&#8217;s called bullshit.</p>
<p>(And that&#8217;s without getting into the completely fucking boneheaded stupid interpretation of politics she&#8217;s peddling.)</p>
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