Comments on: Meet the Sadlidates: Tammy Duckworth http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html Poise! Poise! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:30:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Exploiting their afflictions for political ends « Not Saussure http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-88932 Exploiting their afflictions for political ends « Not Saussure Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:43:17 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-88932 [...] Democrat Tammy Duckworth, who is running for Congress in Illinois, and has appeared at campaign rallies with Fox speaking out in favor of stem cell research. She lost both of her legs in Iraq, and now feels the need to point this out wherever she goes. In every interview she goes on and on repeating the tired old story of how she lost her legs and constantly makes jokes about her injuries, telling one interviewer, who no doubt felt very uncomfortable, "I can’t actually hold a soda between my knees in the car. It’s really hard to use a laptop when you only have half a lap." Apparently, she has never heard the phrase "too much information." In one campaign appearance she even took one of her artificial limbs off and sat down, saying it was more "comfortable." Apparently, her own comfort was more important than the comfort of people around her. When her opponent, Peter Roskam, metaphorically accused her of wanting to "cut and run" from Iraq, she exploited her affliction by pointing out that she cannot run; at least, not very well. Of course, every Republican candidate has accused his or her opponent of wanting to "cut and run." Is it fair that Roskam is the only candidate in the country who is not allowed to use this carefully focus-grouped soundbite? Technorati tags: Rush Limbaugh, Michael J Fox, Claire McCaskill, Disabled, Media, Politics Posted in usa, Wingnuts | [...] [...] Democrat Tammy Duckworth, who is running for Congress in Illinois, and has appeared at campaign rallies with Fox speaking out in favor of stem cell research. She lost both of her legs in Iraq, and now feels the need to point this out wherever she goes. In every interview she goes on and on repeating the tired old story of how she lost her legs and constantly makes jokes about her injuries, telling one interviewer, who no doubt felt very uncomfortable, "I can’t actually hold a soda between my knees in the car. It’s really hard to use a laptop when you only have half a lap." Apparently, she has never heard the phrase "too much information." In one campaign appearance she even took one of her artificial limbs off and sat down, saying it was more "comfortable." Apparently, her own comfort was more important than the comfort of people around her. When her opponent, Peter Roskam, metaphorically accused her of wanting to "cut and run" from Iraq, she exploited her affliction by pointing out that she cannot run; at least, not very well. Of course, every Republican candidate has accused his or her opponent of wanting to "cut and run." Is it fair that Roskam is the only candidate in the country who is not allowed to use this carefully focus-grouped soundbite? Technorati tags: Rush Limbaugh, Michael J Fox, Claire McCaskill, Disabled, Media, Politics Posted in usa, Wingnuts | [...]

]]> By: Karl Rove II http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86447 Karl Rove II Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:29:55 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86447 Did you notice that just recently in London Town The flags all waved The people smiled a lot, the world was right But now it seems that nothing's changed My ears are ringing with the promise The promise that they'll right the wrongs And that they're ever gonna give you Democracy, Democracy (you wanna bet?) We've been down this path a million times And yet there seems no hope for us These times are hard and yet a few do well The rest can wallow in their dust And if you're looking for the answers You won't need a crystal ball 'Cause they're not taking any chances on Democracy, Democracy (not on you're life) Don't tell me revolution changed a thing in France 'Cept a king or two 'Cause when it's Bastille Day a toxic time bomb ticks In the Pacific blue 'Cause revolution changes nothing And voting changes even less 'Cause it's only time you're wasting on Democracy, Democracy (there's none round here) Did you notice that just recently in London Town
The flags all waved
The people smiled a lot, the world was right
But now it seems that nothing’s changed
My ears are ringing with the promise
The promise that they’ll right the wrongs
And that they’re ever gonna give you
Democracy, Democracy (you wanna bet?)

We’ve been down this path a million times
And yet there seems no hope for us
These times are hard and yet a few do well
The rest can wallow in their dust
And if you’re looking for the answers
You won’t need a crystal ball
‘Cause they’re not taking any chances on
Democracy, Democracy (not on you’re life)

Don’t tell me revolution changed a thing in France
‘Cept a king or two
‘Cause when it’s Bastille Day a toxic time bomb ticks
In the Pacific blue
‘Cause revolution changes nothing
And voting changes even less
‘Cause it’s only time you’re wasting on
Democracy, Democracy (there’s none round here)

]]> By: Orgeway Orossay http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86437 Orgeway Orossay Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:59:52 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86437 To Adbray: Oingday Oodgay Orkway. Eepkay Itway Upway. To Adbray: Oingday Oodgay Orkway. Eepkay Itway Upway.

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86436 Kathleen Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:58:01 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86436 I would like to add that there have been actual, real war crimes committed in the Iraq war. Labeling everything American soldier a war criminal is farcical, and also totally undercuts the actual war crimes that should be investigated and prosecuted (as some are). It just makes me sick. I would like to add that there have been actual, real war crimes committed in the Iraq war. Labeling everything American soldier a war criminal is farcical, and also totally undercuts the actual war crimes that should be investigated and prosecuted (as some are). It just makes me sick.

]]> By: mikey http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86422 mikey Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:24:04 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86422 Thess, that position won't get you hated here. I would personally salute your individual courage and morality. And I would acknowledge that you are a good man, indeed, in many ways better than me. What I would not accept is for you to judge me as a thug or a criminal for taking a different course... mikey Thess, that position won’t get you hated here. I would personally salute your individual courage and morality. And I would acknowledge that you are a good man, indeed, in many ways better than me. What I would not accept is for you to judge me as a thug or a criminal for taking a different course…

mikey

]]> By: Jillian http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86421 Jillian Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:22:57 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86421 I think the only thing being said here is just "have a little bit of sympathy for people in the military". That's really not such a terrible thing to say. Most people who enlist do so for one of two reasons: they're really patriotic (which, despite my socialism, I can't bring myself to hold in contempt on general principle, because a lot of patriotic people manage to make good things come from their patriotism), or they're really poor. If you really are a pacifist and a CO, then your pacifistic behavior ought to be displayed in your language as well as your conduct, and attacking people who disagree with you on that score is not really very peaceably-minded. If you don't object to military action on general principle, but only on the grounds that America often goes to war in bad faith - well, I agree with you there. But turning on those who serve honorably is - in those circumstances and from that point of view - just blaming the victim. Specific soldiers who commit illegal or brutal acts deserve all the condemnation they receive. But soldiers who acquit themselves admirably of a duty they should never have been called to serve deserve no more opprobium than do the rest of us who work in our jobs that, directly or indirectly, support the war machine that kills Iraqis. I used to work for a bank that screwed stockholders by doing funny things with their hedge funds - am *I* in some way morally culpable for that (note: I didn't work in their investment division at all). it's the same thing, really. I think the only thing being said here is just “have a little bit of sympathy for people in the military”.

That’s really not such a terrible thing to say.

Most people who enlist do so for one of two reasons: they’re really patriotic (which, despite my socialism, I can’t bring myself to hold in contempt on general principle, because a lot of patriotic people manage to make good things come from their patriotism), or they’re really poor.

If you really are a pacifist and a CO, then your pacifistic behavior ought to be displayed in your language as well as your conduct, and attacking people who disagree with you on that score is not really very peaceably-minded. If you don’t object to military action on general principle, but only on the grounds that America often goes to war in bad faith – well, I agree with you there. But turning on those who serve honorably is – in those circumstances and from that point of view – just blaming the victim.

Specific soldiers who commit illegal or brutal acts deserve all the condemnation they receive. But soldiers who acquit themselves admirably of a duty they should never have been called to serve deserve no more opprobium than do the rest of us who work in our jobs that, directly or indirectly, support the war machine that kills Iraqis.

I used to work for a bank that screwed stockholders by doing funny things with their hedge funds – am *I* in some way morally culpable for that (note: I didn’t work in their investment division at all). it’s the same thing, really.

]]> By: Brad R. http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86413 Brad R. Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:04:10 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86413 <em>So I am out of this echo chamber for this subject and will let others engage in thier militaristic fantasies of a soldier on a white horse saving us no matter how bloody the soldiers hands.</em> Isn't Ralph Nader running for something somewhere, Ken? So I am out of this echo chamber for this subject and will let others engage in thier militaristic fantasies of a soldier on a white horse saving us no matter how bloody the soldiers hands.

Isn’t Ralph Nader running for something somewhere, Ken?

]]> By: Thess http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86393 Thess Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:20:06 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86393 I dunno. I don't think I'm an especially moralistic person, but if someone told me to go kill Iraqis, well, I wouldn't. Doesn't matter if I had, with noble intentions, previously signed a contract agreeing to. Doesn't matter if I got sent to jail for refusing. I wouldn't do it. I dunno what that makes anyone else or what that makes me. Other than hated at Sadly, No. :( I dunno. I don’t think I’m an especially moralistic person, but if someone told me to go kill Iraqis, well, I wouldn’t. Doesn’t matter if I had, with noble intentions, previously signed a contract agreeing to. Doesn’t matter if I got sent to jail for refusing. I wouldn’t do it. I dunno what that makes anyone else or what that makes me. Other than hated at Sadly, No. :(

]]> By: LA Confidential Pantload http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86389 LA Confidential Pantload Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:01:49 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86389 Ken, it sounds like you think that only two choices people in a war zone have are Hugh Thompson or William Calley. I'm neither a vet nor a big fan of the military, but I really do believe there' s a little more moral shading than that. Ken, it sounds like you think that only two choices people in a war zone have are Hugh Thompson or William Calley. I’m neither a vet nor a big fan of the military, but I really do believe there’ s a little more moral shading than that.

]]> By: mikey http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86350 mikey Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:35:59 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86350 Dood, virtually none of that puts you on the fringe. Most of that makes you a welcome addition to our side. We can debate about whether a candidate is "electable" or not. The part that got you such a negative reaction, especially from me, is the part where an individual courageously and honorably answers their nations call and lives through combat (something I guess you'll never have to do) and you call them thugs and war criminals. You won't get a lot of argument that the people responsible for the war in Iraq need to be tried in the hague, but you simply aren't going to get any traction for claiming that good, honorable soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines are somehow guilty of some kind of crime. Those of us who have answered our nations call have made sacrifices so you can dishonor us all with your bullshit. Take a rational view of combat veterans and you will find we accept your politics. Oh, and one other thing. When you have seen night hand-to-hand combat in the light of flares, exchanging fire at zero range, and have smelled the bodies burning in the wire, and lived though the terror and horror, you don't come back with a lot of illusions. So maybe you should examine yours... mikey Dood, virtually none of that puts you on the fringe. Most of that makes you a welcome addition to our side. We can debate about whether a candidate is “electable” or not. The part that got you such a negative reaction, especially from me, is the part where an individual courageously and honorably answers their nations call and lives through combat (something I guess you’ll never have to do) and you call them thugs and war criminals. You won’t get a lot of argument that the people responsible for the war in Iraq need to be tried in the hague, but you simply aren’t going to get any traction for claiming that good, honorable soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines are somehow guilty of some kind of crime. Those of us who have answered our nations call have made sacrifices so you can dishonor us all with your bullshit. Take a rational view of combat veterans and you will find we accept your politics.

Oh, and one other thing. When you have seen night hand-to-hand combat in the light of flares, exchanging fire at zero range, and have smelled the bodies burning in the wire, and lived though the terror and horror, you don’t come back with a lot of illusions. So maybe you should examine yours…

mikey

]]> By: Ken http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86348 Ken Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:20:34 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86348 Reality is a unwelcome perspective to those who have drunk the koolaid so continue to support those that were on the ground when over 600,000 Iraqi's became victims of this war( John hopkins Study). So ignore the fact that Cegelis in 2004 proved that the D's could be competitive and that Il 06 could be won by coming within 6 points of entrenched member of the rethuglican leadership in a rethuglican year without any help from the DCCC. In part because she ran her own campaign and refused to help feather the nest of the D's Washington consultants. Ignore the fact that if she was so concerned about the rethuglicans she could have run against the representative who represents her own district instead of using $100,000's of DCCC money to buy a primary against a local D. Oh but I guess that being part of the reality based community that looks at facts makes me part of the lunatic fringe. a bit like Howard Dean when he started campaigning in 2003 against the war or the people who stood up and opposed the war in 2002 or even people like a true American hero Lt. Wataba who is living up to his oath by refusing to participiate in this ongoing crime. So I am out of this echo chamber for this subject and will let others engage in thier militaristic fantasies of a soldier on a white horse saving us no matter how bloody the soldiers hands. have fun with your illusions. Reality is a unwelcome perspective to those who have drunk the koolaid so continue to support those that were on the ground when over 600,000 Iraqi’s became victims of this war( John hopkins Study).
So ignore the fact that Cegelis in 2004 proved that the D’s could be competitive and that Il 06 could be won by coming within 6 points of entrenched member of the rethuglican leadership in a rethuglican year without any help from the DCCC. In part because she ran her own campaign and refused to help feather the nest of the D’s Washington consultants.
Ignore the fact that if she was so concerned about the rethuglicans she could have run against the representative who represents her own district instead of using $100,000′s of DCCC money to buy a primary against a local D.
Oh but I guess that being part of the reality based community that looks at facts makes me part of the lunatic fringe. a bit like Howard Dean when he started campaigning in 2003 against the war or the people who stood up and opposed the war in 2002 or even people like a true American hero Lt. Wataba who is living up to his oath by refusing to participiate in this ongoing crime.
So I am out of this echo chamber for this subject and will let others engage in thier militaristic fantasies of a soldier on a white horse saving us no matter how bloody the soldiers hands.
have fun with your illusions.

]]> By: Ron Mexico http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86345 Ron Mexico Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:03:13 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86345 Soros isn't paying you? Sucker! He's pays me regularly - in crack. Soros isn’t paying you? Sucker!

He’s pays me regularly – in crack.

]]> By: marc http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86339 marc Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:01:46 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86339 - BY GETTING THE REPUBLICANS OUT OF POWER! - BY GETTING THE REPUBLICANS OUT OF POWER!

]]> By: CRB http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86338 CRB Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:56:59 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86338 "I would hold my nose and vote for this carpetbagger but after she was such a willing pawn in torpedoing a true progressive who actiually lived in the district it would be tough" Oh my. At least Ken went on to prove he's a nut b/f I got a chance to comment. As noted above by someone else, Cegelis had no chance in the general, none. I'm not in IL06 but I volunteered for her a bit when she ran against Hyde in 04 and she's a odd one. Seriously. Maybe a nice person but not a great candidate (and a bit of a sore loser). Duckworth, otoh, is proving again & again to be more than just a great story, but a kick-ass candidate who's going to be a great rep. “I would hold my nose and vote for this carpetbagger but after she was such a willing pawn in torpedoing a true progressive who actiually lived in the district it would be tough”

Oh my. At least Ken went on to prove he’s a nut b/f I got a chance to comment. As noted above by someone else, Cegelis had no chance in the general, none. I’m not in IL06 but I volunteered for her a bit when she ran against Hyde in 04 and she’s a odd one. Seriously. Maybe a nice person but not a great candidate (and a bit of a sore loser). Duckworth, otoh, is proving again & again to be more than just a great story, but a kick-ass candidate who’s going to be a great rep.

]]> By: annieangel http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86335 annieangel Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:15:37 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86335 SUPPORT THE TROOPS! SUPPORT THE TROOPS!

]]> By: mikey http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86329 mikey Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:55:49 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86329 Hey, Sadly, No Commentariat. Thanks and congratulations for your collective smack-down of the lunatic fringe as represented by Ken. When I read this thread this morning I was pretty seriously outraged. As I've said before, for a lot of the guys who chose to go to Canada rather than to Vietnam, it took a lot of courage. But there is another side represented there. Down through the millenia, there have been people who were simply too afraid to fight. Now I'm not saying that all consciencious objectors are cowards, not even close, but I AM saying that not all objectors are truly consciencious. For this buttwipe "Ken" to call this strong, courageous woman a "Thug" and a war criminal represents the foulest kind of cowardice. Her country called, and she answered, and her sacrifice is beyond anything that Ken can even begin to comprehend. You guys said it all, so I don't need to refute his position logically or legally. But I do want to say one thing to him. I have a very big tent Ken - and you are not welcome in it... mikey Hey, Sadly, No Commentariat. Thanks and congratulations for your collective smack-down of the lunatic fringe as represented by Ken. When I read this thread this morning I was pretty seriously outraged.

As I’ve said before, for a lot of the guys who chose to go to Canada rather than to Vietnam, it took a lot of courage. But there is another side represented there. Down through the millenia, there have been people who were simply too afraid to fight. Now I’m not saying that all consciencious objectors are cowards, not even close, but I AM saying that not all objectors are truly consciencious. For this buttwipe “Ken” to call this strong, courageous woman a “Thug” and a war criminal represents the foulest kind of cowardice. Her country called, and she answered, and her sacrifice is beyond anything that Ken can even begin to comprehend.

You guys said it all, so I don’t need to refute his position logically or legally. But I do want to say one thing to him. I have a very big tent Ken – and you are not welcome in it…

mikey

]]> By: Davis http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86326 Davis Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:35:17 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86326 I imagine there must be quite a few congressmen who longer live in their districts after redistricting, especially if done by the opposition party. Do they have to keep moving? Just wondering. I do like Tammy's attitude. Max Cleland was just too nice. I imagine there must be quite a few congressmen who longer live in their districts after redistricting, especially if done by the opposition party. Do they have to keep moving? Just wondering.

I do like Tammy’s attitude. Max Cleland was just too nice.

]]> By: Tracy http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86321 Tracy Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:36:30 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86321 Writing as someone who lives in IL-6... The Repubs are pretty nervous, if the endless stream of mailings and recorded calls I've been getting for the past month are any indication. Roskam is Hyde's cabana boy, and was no doubt expecting an easy win. Since it's actually a race, the Repubs are accusing Duckworth of everything just short of killing puppies to suck their sweet, sweet blood. I think she can win, but the whole not living in the district thing and the mis-perception that she's beholden to the local Democratic machine may scare enough people away. OTOH, Obama won the district in '04 (although how hard was that?) and Kerry almost beat Bush here, so maybe the tide has turned. Writing as someone who lives in IL-6…

The Repubs are pretty nervous, if the endless stream of mailings and recorded calls I’ve been getting for the past month are any indication. Roskam is Hyde’s cabana boy, and was no doubt expecting an easy win. Since it’s actually a race, the Repubs are accusing Duckworth of everything just short of killing puppies to suck their sweet, sweet blood.

I think she can win, but the whole not living in the district thing and the mis-perception that she’s beholden to the local Democratic machine may scare enough people away.

OTOH, Obama won the district in ’04 (although how hard was that?) and Kerry almost beat Bush here, so maybe the tide has turned.

]]> By: TC http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86319 TC Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:28:59 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86319 Gary Sez <i>Plus, she doesn’t live in her district!</i> Yeah, you tell that to her face Gary. She may not have any legs, but she can still kick your ass. Gary Sez
Plus, she doesn’t live in her district!

Yeah, you tell that to her face Gary. She may not have any legs, but she can still kick your ass.

]]> By: sammy http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86314 sammy Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:59:44 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/archives/4000.html#comment-86314 Wait. You're calling this lady a carpetbagger because she lives <i>three miles</i> outside her district? For god's sake, she can practically walk there. Oh, no, she can't. Know why? Because she lost her legs in Iraq, you unmitigated ass. Next time try throwing a few "the fact is"'s. Might help focus your attention a little bit. Wait. You’re calling this lady a carpetbagger because she lives three miles outside her district? For god’s sake, she can practically walk there.

Oh, no, she can’t. Know why? Because she lost her legs in Iraq, you unmitigated ass.

Next time try throwing a few “the fact is”‘s. Might help focus your attention a little bit.

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