Jan
19

You’ve Got to Fight. For Your Right. To Pot-ty!




Posted at 1:59 by Cerberus


Oh Bob, not you again.

Keith Ablowjob, Fox Paycheck:
All wrong — in California, girls can use urinals in the boys’ restroom

Ahhh, really fucking hesitant to circle back to this well so soon. I mean, I eviscerated “Dr.” Keith, what? Three posts ago? And I did my last trans* post only like two post ago. I mean, I know I have my regular ports of call and my usual obsessions, but I do try and mix it up a little on this blog.

So why are we here, doing the same dance on this Saturday night? Well, there’s two main reasons.

First? It’s about AB1266, i.e. The School Success and Opportunity Act, i.e AIIEEE trannies will be using bathrooms with your kids, California is officially an anarchic hellscape. And I’ve been waiting forevvvver to talk about this law. I mean, there’s been no shortage of TV talking heads acting like trans* kids being able to join the right sports programs or use the right bathrooms or locker rooms was Satanism plus 10, but I’ve been completely clit-blocked on finding a good right-wing freakout in print that I could use for the blog (until now).

And second? Well, just look at the title! So many times in anti-trans* screeds we get the same old angle, so often we could recite it by heart. “Trans bill, oh dear, no, that means there will be a ‘man’ in the girl’s room with your precious artifact daughter and then she’ll be molested, because that’s what happens whenever a ‘man’ is in a room where people remove their panties for any reason”. Rinse, dry, repeat.

But this time the panic is about trans-men invading the oh so precious spaces of cis-men with their “girl” cooties and I’m not seeing any way it’s not going to be homoerotic, gynophobic, and utterly novel in its immense stupidity.

So yeah, fuck it, we’re so doing this.

Shorter (or the last port before Jungle):

  • If “women” can be in the boy’s bathroom, then that’ll feminize the boys and make them self-conscious about their pee-pee size. Also, really, is it so much to ask of the trans* community that they hide themselves forever so that the little ones never have to know that trans* people exist, because learning things in school is unconstitutional.

Fantastic.

So, yeah, as noted earlier, we begin our tale, with a bill, AB 1266, the School Success and Opportunity Act, that was passed all the way back in late spring, early summer here in the fair state of California. At its most basic level it’s an anti-bullying bill (and already we can see the first thing about it that pisses off conservatives) and an anti-discrimination bill (wingnut heads are already spinning like a helicopter readying for takeoff) that protects the right of transgender students (at this point, the average wingnut has some hellish ichor starting to bubble from their lips) to be treated as their school as belonging to the gender they are (and the screams of the damned echo through each church hallway), including rights of access to facilities, sports programs, sex-segregated activities, etc…

It’s a very important bill for trans*-identified students that will go a long way in lowering the suicide rate among young trans* kids. And as would be expected, it’s been a lightning rod for the usual set of assholes, with the assholes behind California’s infamous Prop 8 out in force to gather signatures to repeal it through the same bullshit techniques of fear-mongering and lies they used to push their repeal of gay marriage. As of yet, it seems that they didn’t get enough signatures, but it hasn’t stopped every Fox bobblehead trying to earn their paycheck from crying foul about as much as wingnuts did about Chicago’s age-appropriate sex education bill with ignorant blather about gender anarchy in elementary school bathrooms.

But hey, this is all months old. So why is Uncle Fester here whining about it all now?

As of January 1, students in California public schools have been able to choose whether to use the boys’ rest room or girls’ rest room, as well as the girls’ locker room or boys’ locker room, based on whether they feel female or male, not whether they are anatomically female or male.

Ohhhhhh, of course. The same reason that wingnuts are out in force bitching about pot legalization. The numbing drugs have worn off and they are forced to acknowledge that the past political year actually happened and they’re no longer the unstoppable juggernaut they want to pretend to be.

And so, worn down and behind the curve, they yell at the clouds to show their disapproval once it turned out that just wishing the bad elections and state congressional sessions away didn’t actually make them disappear.

Well, speaking as someone whose 2013 also sucked the hair off a donkey’s balls, I can empathize… wait, no, that’s the wrong word, ah, right, mock. I can mock that.

Ha ha, stupid fucking bastiches.

That’s right: Governor Jerry Brown, of California, signed a bill that took effect January 1

You almost have to admire the artistry of the weasel-wording here.

Jerry Brown signed a bill that *mumble mumble* took effect *mumble* ON JANUARY 1st! It’s happening right now, and you, bitter octogenarians can totally stop it, because this isn’t a moldy oldy we’re dragging out because we need something to fill the space the annual “War on Christmas” posts were taking up.

that tells kids from kindergarten on

Boom, there it is.

Oh don’t mind me, I’ve just gotten in the habit every time a right-winger writes about a law affecting all children of literally counting the seconds before they invoke kindergartners as if they are receiving the same innocuous information as high school seniors.

I think the highest record was 15. But in their defense, I think they had a mouthful of water they had to swallow first.

that they should decide what they believe their gender identity is and act, accordingly.

Oh, yeah… that’s truly horrifying that is. Oh noes, and all that jazz.

I mean, okay, let’s imagine some alternate world where my knowledge of trans* issues was absolute zero. I’m Mary P. Nervoussuburbanite worried about my artifact child making it through their first day of kindergarten and feeling the dark spectre of Empty Nest Syndrome begin to twine through my hair.

And now I’m asked to be super scared because some “girls” believe they are “boys”. I mean, assuming out the general social bigotries and “men are men, women are women” societal sexism baggage and just assuming I’m a complete blank slate, I’m not at all sure why the fuck I should care.

I mean, good for them, I guess. I don’t get it, because my head is literally butterflies and fluff, but it doesn’t impact me. It doesn’t impact my child. There’s really no reason for me to give a fuck.

Which, that right there, I think is why the right-wing is freaking out so much about trans* people and demanding that everyone freak out with them. Much like gay marriage before it and white middle-class women working outside of the home before that, trans* people are like a Miley Cyrus-carrying wrecking ball on the quaint media-sold fiction of “proper roles for men and women”. That there is by nature a way that “men” act and a way that “women” act and it’s set at birth and never variable and as genetic as DAF-2 protein.

And it’s the loss of the marketability of that lie and the way it can be exploited to trap “their” women in abusive and exploitative “gender roles” that truly frightens them and causes them to lash out at the infinite spectrum of human experience that actually defines gender, sex, sexuality, etc…

The legislation also allows students to choose their sports teams based on whether they sense they are boys or girls, not whether they were born male or born female.

We assigned you one or the other at birth, and you will like it young man or woman. And you will be either a man or a woman if you know what is good for you. I don’t care if the cage of our arbitrary assignment is an oppressive force destroying all manner of self-worth or self-regard or if it requires genuine genital mutilation surgery in order to maintain the fiction. GIRL OR BOY! GIRL OR BOYEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

And yeah, do I even need to get into the old bullshit about “if they feel” at this point? I mean, fuck, if they really feel it is that simple, a passing fancy as easily adopted or abandoned at the drop of a hat, then well, a) gender “normalization” procedures may have ever had a fucking chance of working, and b) fine.

By all means, wingnuts, step a day into my world. Live as the “wrong sex” off a whim. Experience a world where everyone refers to you by the wrong pronouns and treats you how they would treat the “opposite sex” and where the clothes you want to wear are not made for you and everyone eyes you suspiciously for being who you are. Do it for just a day to get all the “benefits” you think we’re getting. See if you make it past noon without crying uncle and running back to your genuine gender identity.

I fucking dare you.

I know that other psychiatrists may well disagree,

Because it goes against psychology and the current science on the subject and is grossly medically unethical.

and I know that LGBT activists will criticize me,

Because I’m a bigot who managed to hook himself a well-paying job despite lacking any real qualifications because I assuage the consciences of bigots and tell them that science totally supports whatever ass-ertion they want to yank out of their colon today. What was that Gretchen, moon men made your husband gay? Yup, science has got your back!

but I believe that allowing this “choice” is profoundly destructive, psychologically, to all students, including the ones who identify themselves as transgender.

Did I mention that there’s not a single link in the entire post? Not one.

So yeah, this super sciencey bit of knowledgification is courtesy via express shipping from the moist dark reaches of his lower intestines.

Because gut feelings about how something “just ain’t natural, y’hear” is just how the brain trust at Fox News rolls.

The mere fact that teachers and administrators will have to explain to kindergarten and first-grade students that they might see girls in the boys’ restroom, or boys in the girls’ locker room, but that those really aren’t kids of the gender they appear to be,

You know, back in the day, when I actually was out at my day job of teaching K-12 science, I often taught groups of Kindergartners and 1st graders. And I was there in full skirt, using my female name and pronoun and sometimes even the kids would ask questions about it. There was this one little kid from a Christian school who actually tried to debate my gender with me and insisted that girls wore high heels and that since I wasn’t, then I couldn’t be a girl and I had to point out that his regular teacher (who was a ciswoman), wasn’t wearing them either.

The point of this rambling bit of nostalgia is that it is pretty fucking obvious that none of these right-wing trolls have even spent a nanosecond caring for actual kids.

I mean, leaving aside the immense bullshit of pretending it is too hard for a child to process new information at a point in their life where they are literally learning, from scratch, all the social norms of school itself and foundational skills like reading and basic math, we get the simple fact that kids aren’t fucking idiots.

When I was out as a female teacher, sometimes they would be confused, but a five second comment in response took care of it. I didn’t look like their idea of girl, but I was, okay, cool, ooh rollercoaster, shiny!

Even now, I’m no longer out, but I also carry the body I have after being on hormones for a year and a half. So I’ve overheard kindergartners trying to figure out if I’m a girl or a boy based on their kindergartner concepts of the terms.

And I’ve had trans* and gender-non-conforming students. At every age. I’ve had pubescent middle schoolers and high schoolers being brave and being themselves. An awkward intersex elementary school kid visibly uncomfortable with using a gendered bathroom with everyone else. Young elementary schoolers, barely more than 1st or 2nd grade who were at least presenting themselves other than that which they were assigned at birth or their names would suggest.

Even Pre-K. Yes, that young. Kids who I have no idea what their identity is or what they will define themselves as, but whose style and presentation was already that of the aspects most commonly associated with the other gender.

And the younger you go, the less they care, the less preconceived notions of what it means to identify as girl or boy they carry, and the less enforcement of a binary has been beaten into them. For many of the youngest ones, that age is the first education they will receive into sex segregation.

Which is the real proxy battle that Mr. Blowjob is waging here.

He worries that if we acknowledge how gender actually works and kids aren’t carefully taught to hate all who fall outside the “norm”, then people won’t grow up to hate and support the continued careers of hacks like him.

And I won’t lie and say that’s an extremely compelling reason to shrivel up and die so that poor Kindergartners will be spared the “confusion”.

could (and, here, data is sorely lacking)

I.e. I’m about to pull something out of my ass, but I can already tell it’s going to be stinky, so please do mind the smell.

do harm to their own developing sense of self by suggesting to them that their gender is fluid, that it well might change for them, too, and that they should be on the lookout for signs that they want to switch.

Why the qualifier, Keith baby? That’s a pretty dead-to-rights explanation of what really keeps you up at night shuddering and clutching your plush shotgun.

The notion that young trans* kids instead of living truncated lives of pain, isolation, and confusion, can figure themselves out early on. Can be exposed to people who are like them and feel safer coming out, thus creating and continuing the slow process by which a convenient punching bag becomes just another minority group one is an asshole for treating like shit.

I mean, yeah, he does his best to weasel-word it and sound a nice dogwhistle of “trans* people will ‘convert’ your kids to the transsexual agenda,” but at the end of the day, what he’s actually objecting to is that trans* kids will have models to look up to and realize that they aren’t completely alone and freakish and that this will hurt his ability to exploit trans* people the same way he did gay people for so many years.

That’s correct, and I expect to continue getting death threats

#shitthatneverhappened

and calls for me to be fired from my academic teaching position for saying so

Oh, you poor poor baby! Were there people merely saying you should be fired from your academic teaching position simply because you are an unqualified hack with demonstrated bigotry and ill-intent towards members of your student body and a proven track record of breaking the law in service to said bigotries?

That’s just the worst. I could never imagine something so horrible as a trans* teacher. Not a damn thing. I mean, sure, I had that little minor, being drummed out of a job I was excellent at because of the hate you spew about what being “exposed” to trans* people “does to kids” incident, but I mean, compared to the unmitigated atrocity that is people casually noting you are a complete unqualified hack, that might as well be tiddly-winks.

I mean, wow. Is there anything we among the trans* teacher community can do to help*?

(because I have endured both):

Let me just unpack my tiny case for the world’s smallest violin, pumpkin.

I believe that children have enough to deal with as they struggle to feel comfortable with their bodies, with the notion of privacy and with later changes involving puberty without urging them to grapple with the notion that their souls may have been born into the wrong bodies.

I…

Yes, Douchey McFuckstain, kids sure do have a lot to tackle in their pubescent years already, what with the extension of the security theatre state into their classrooms, the ever-present threat of psychotic gun nuts deciding to go on a shopping, I mean, killing spree, pressures to conform to toxic models of masculinity or femininity, and awkward dating logistics, made more awkward by conservative attacks on sex education and feminist child education materials that might actually allow kids to have good models outside porn on how it all works.

It would be fantastic if they didn’t also have to suffer through the wrong puberty, feelings of intense alienation and a growing revulsion with their own evolving body, and all the other detritus of gender dysphoria.

Which, I guess, in your fantastical world of gumdrops and ice cream, means that all the kids have to do is shut their ears as hard as they can and just not think about it and magically their gender dysphoria and the existence of trans* people will just *poof* go away.

I mean, it would be really rough if children had non-normative puberties. So, to help make it easier, we’ll just wish really hard that those kids don’t exist and then they magically won’t. Problem solved. And the extra stress, pain, and suffering caused by having no model or explanation of what is happening inside of you, just feeling lost and scared and like something wholly alien will just solve itself on the fraying ends of a hastily prepared noose.

See, another problem solved by compassionate conservatism!

What’s more, I don’t believe we have definitive data

Hey, Keith, it’s your editor speaking, you seem to have readopted that nasty habit we were talking about of replacing the word “I” with “we” and I’m gonna need you to really focus on that so we don’t have to print anymore corrections and…

What the fuck am I saying, you write for Fox News, whatever bro, just shit it out fast so we can get back to harassing the fembots.

(although many psychiatrists with very impressive credentials, who seem to mean well, assert that we do)

~I don’t want to listen to no scientists, y’all be lying.~ /ICP

that any male or female soul has ever in the history of the world been born into the wrong anatomic gender.

(look down) Uh… Um… er… you know what, you’ve got enough on your plate with the whole people making vague comments about your deep ignorances. It’s cool.

Also, I’m totally imagining how soul science is supposed to work. Wehellll, doctor, it seems the client is showing classic symptoms of gender dysphoria with a strong gender identity discrepancy compared to that which they were assigned at birth. That’s great and all, but what does the bubbling soul liquid say? Oh right, it says it doesn’t fucking exist and using this as a science dodge is pretty fucking weak sauce. Damnitt, this will put the field of Soulology back decades!

Let me put that more clearly:

Your private religious beliefs should not be used as a model for public health policy? Especially when they are shown to disagree with genuine science and people’s life experiences and rights to religious freedom?

I am not convinced by any science I can find

Accurate.

that

Oh sorry, I interrupted, didn’t I? Please continue.

people with definitively male DNA and definitively male anatomy

See, America? This is what happens when you allow biology education standards be relaxed to protect the fee-fees of people who want to believe the Earth is 6000 years old and man rode on dinosaurs. You get people who claim to have PhDs still thinking that there is such a thing as “male DNA” as if DNA had any gender identity whatsoever.

Ditto on “male anatomy”, seeing as how at best, we have a collection of primary and secondary sex characteristics that may or may not display or correspond with actual gender and certainly will not always fit neatly into one box or the other, but at least that is vaguely based on a thing that could exist (if one completed at least high school level biology).

Hey, I’m a biology, I’m allowed to get pissy about people attributing fucking superpowers and life stories to fucking DNA, damnitt!

can actually be locked in a cruel joke of nature because they are actually female.

Wow.

You can actually hear the self-awareness clang right off him there, can’t you?

Well, gosh, there trans* person, if your life story is true and that was true for other trans* people, then that would mean my God was a capricious asshole, putting people in misery-inducing situations of stress for no damn good reason… *clang*, so clearly you don’t exist, vile phantom, begone and haunt me no more.

And really, that could be the summation of this entire section so far. Gosh, that would absolutely suck and I’d be an asshole for making your life harder… so I guess I’ll just wish really hard that you don’t exist so I don’t have to feel bad at being a complete and utter dick.

But seriously, though, wasn’t there going to be some trans-male panic in here somewhere? I mean, I’m a simple lady and I have simple needs. Give me the freakout about transdudes already instead of the denialism pony show we’ve seen a hundred ti-

And I believe that telling third-grade or seventh-grade or tenth-grade children, adolescents or teenagers that this issue is settled to such an extent that they should feel comfortable with females walking in and seeing them urinating or pulling their pants down to change into football gear is a lie that can steal their ability to trust adults, shake their faith in any form of reality, traumatize them by shaming them and kindle waves of completely unnecessary anxiety related to whether they should be doing some sort of emotional inventory to determine whether they’re really going to turn into men, once and for all, or find out they’ve been suppressing the truth that they’re actually women.

Oh, it’s all too beautiful!

I mean, his argument is that if “girls” walk in and see some dude’s tiny penis then it will so utterly emotionally destroy his toxic masculinity performance that he’ll have no other recourse than to “choose” to be a transwoman.

Or rather, his argument is that if a guy sees a transdude in his bulky jacket, ducking into the corner of the locker room so he doesn’t get jumped and assaulted by the football jock who’s been carefully taught to fear the fags by his Fox-news watching dad, then some random bystander might actually have to think about who they are and that might mean they won’t come to the socially approved answer of “a proper cis straight guy” but rather might put two and two together over their gender dysphoria induced nightmare and actually be honest with themselves.

And to prevent this inevitable realization, it is no small demand to ask that that young jacket-wearing transdude to put on a frilly dress every day and sell a fiction of who they are, so that that young transchick can equally suffer in silence and Fox News show “experts” like him can keep selling suburban “fag haters” a fiction of a world where trans* people simply don’t exist out of Pride festivals and Satanist cults.

And maybe I’m not the same gynophobic little closet queen that “Dr.” Keith is, but I really don’t think the existence of that little transdude is going to do anything to the self-esteem of the fag-basher brigade. They will still follow models of toxic masculinity and more often than not, hepped up on bullshit like this, they’ll feel justified in “defending” “their” space from “invasion”.

A man with a vagina in a similar space as them will not “feminize” them, will not “fagify” them, it will only, with luck, give them some small manner of empathy and acknowledgment to those not like themselves.

And that’s the real fear, isn’t it?

That’s the real “feminization” in your eyes.

I don’t see anything but toxicity from the notion of a person with female anatomy feeling free to use the urinal in the boys’ rest room while a boy stands next to her and uses one, too.

It’s the little known transitive power of vag. If you stand too close to a dude with a vag, with your dick out, then *poof*, you’ll have a vag too. In fact, the cootie powers of vagina are so powerful, that one must always be careful to cloister yourself far away from anything vagina-like or gynophilic. Never have sex with a woman, unless you want to wake up a lesbian. Instead, if you must ever be naked, be sure to surround yourself with men who share your fears. Only when you are oiled up and alone with strapping young men, with beautiful rock hard penises, writhing all over your naked body, will you be safe from anything the least bit “gay”.

Governor Brown is one of the liberal politicians in the world who wants to sell people on the idea that he loves freedom when he is actually addicted to disempowering people.

IT’S ALWAYS PROJECTION says that all of our sins are actually yours, because we say so, ha ha, got you, you hypocrite! Don’t you feel like a big prat for signing into law a bill we don’t like instead of randomly being an asshole and vetoing it because we couldn’t manage to be popular enough to get enough congresscritters to block it legally. So there!

And shaking the certain knowledge in boys and girls of whether they can count on not being seen naked by the opposite gender,

Gay sex today! Gay sex tomorrow! Gay sex forever!

It’s the only way to avoid the cootie infections of Big Vag!

not to mention whether they are themselves actually the gender they thought they were,

Ignorance will save you, kid! As soon as we ban and block any resources for you to be yourself and any models for who you are in general society, and make it clear that any attempt to stand up for yourself will be treated like a violence unto the world itself, then you’ll be free… to kill yourself like the little freak you are.

Ugh, why are the mean liberals calling me a bigot again? I was only calling it like I see it. MOMMEEE make them stop!

is a powerful, devious and pathological way to weaken them by making them question their sense of safety, security and certainty about anything and everything.

So you think the only way to “keep kids safe” is to imprison them in an authoritarian nightmare, where even basic introspection is treated as a violence to be banned and eliminated. Where thought is crime and one’s only role in school is to repeat the right performances and learn nothing in the process.

And we’re supposed to think you aren’t wannabe fascists, because?

That way they’re less likely to be in a position to want to be autonomous.

Oh, you’re standing up for autonomy… right… Man, was that a bullet dodged there!

That way they’ll keep on thinking they need people like him to build them a government that suffocates them and deprives them of liberty.

I mean, yeah, if you believe that trans* people deserve the right to be themselves and that policies should reflect obvious realities, then clearly it is you who is supporting a government that suffocates and deprives all students of liberty.

Because apparently the only liberty wingnuts can even pretend to care about these days is the “liberty” to be as ign’ant as the day they were first expelled violently out of their parent’s womb.

I’m sorry, dick, but we’re teachers. And you do not have the “right” to keep a generation as dumb as you simply because you are worried that there’s nobody currently alive dumb enough to fall for what modern conservatism is selling.

Now, don’t piss us off, or we’ll pay a trans guy to hang out near the Fox News Men’s Bathroom and pee next to you with his magical trans* powers.

A campaign in California called Privacy for All Students is now seeking to put the “choose your bathroom” law to a public vote on the November ballot.

And they failed. And they’re the same dicks behind Prop 8 doing the same exact tactic as before in hiding behind new names with Orwellian descriptions.

But hey, let’s not let either of those facts temper the fervor by which you are going to stroke that withered cock all over your face.

I hope they succeed. And I hope it is repealed.

They should add another recall vote on Governor Brown, at the same time. He survived one in the past and should not have.

We need to do all our old tricks. If we repeat our old tactics, then that’ll rewind back time and make us relevant and powerful again. We’ll be able to oust governors and repeal law and be feared even in “liberal” California… instead of drifting off to obscurity, a cargo cult clinging to memories hoping that the right dance will bring the anti-”gay storm” back again.

To which, I say, BWAHAHAHA!

I know exactly what I believe,

That’s remarkably easy when your beliefs are handed to you on 3×5 index cards with easily repeatable bumper sticker slogans.

partly because I grew up at a time when liberal politicians weren’t as brazen about trying to erode my sense of self.

My daddy dun tol’ me and if it were true den, then it’s true now. That’s why I know the Sun revolves around the Earth, a stork brings babies to loving couples, and Santa Claus is as real as Market Forces!

And I’ll fight to the death any lyin’ teacher that dun try and tell me otherwise!

FREEDUMB!

And I believe, to the core, unshakably, that Governor Jerry Brown is a threat to children in California and a threat to children everywhere.

This is your new hate target. By signing a bill into law, he is a child molester and is out to kill all your kids. To protect them, you must take action, if you know what I mean**.

And preparing whiny post about how gunmen are just lone psychos and we shouldn’t bother looking into their motivations on the side and… publish.

Gosh, you’re making it awfully hard to support you, what with the desperate denial, outright gynophobia, slightly creepy homoeroticism regarding young boys, and the not that subtle death threats, I’m not sure…

Oh wait, I forgot that someone once questioned if you were qualified to teach seeing as how you believe that denial makes real people go away, that DNA is fucking magical and has genders, and that souls can be measured scientifically.

ALL MY SYMPATHY TO YOUR HORRIFIC PLIGHT!


‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. Remember to stare very closely at the junk of anyone who tries to pee in your general vicinity! It’s the only way to protect against the all encompassing horrors of ~vaaaaagggggggiiiiinnnnnnaaaaaassssss~! We are aware of all Internet traditions.™

*Memo to self: start a trans* teacher website collecting news stories about trans* teaching, personal accounts, deconstructions of the not-commented-on-enough bigotries held against trans* teachers as corrupting recruiters and child molesters, and stories of discrimination. If I haven’t gotten around to it by the end of the year, can one of you glare at me to get me off my ass?

**If Msr. Blowjob here actually was receiving regular death threats, there is no way he could stomach to be pulling the stunt he tries at the end. There’s just no way that someone who truly understands how it feels to be targeted by violent fucks who want you dead because of what you believe could ever play the “will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest” game without actual bile rising up in their throat.

So fuck his attempt to play at martyr as he tries to encourage systems of oppression that lead to actual suicide and death and straight up dog whistle a death threat at a random governor whose only “crime” was not doing the conservatives’ dirty work for them.

***Yeah, the title isn’t even a joke. Pretty much every social justice movement in at least the last hundred years has included some fight regarding access to bathrooms. Labor battles. Segregation. Feminism in the form of non-conforming people having to fight to be accepted as “girls” or “boys”. Queer people in bathrooms and now trans* people. All for the right to pee. There is a fascinating non-fiction academic book waiting to be written about this.

210 Comments »

  1. Fenwick said,

    January 19, 2014 at 2:36

    Furst!

  2. Florid Fail said,

    January 19, 2014 at 3:17

    . . . this will put the field of Soulology back decades!

    “if we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames. For it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.”– Hume, Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, 1746.

    But in the 21st century, Bill O’Reilly can share on Fox “News” that tides are inexplicable by “science” and are God’s Mood Ring.

    When the religious right can produce a 3-d ectoplasmic printer to create new organisms, I will lend their theories some credence.

  3. Major Kong said,

    January 19, 2014 at 3:21

    These people are just plain weird. I can’t think of any other way to put it.

  4. Fenwick said,

    January 19, 2014 at 3:45

    I know that Fox must have a Spin & Censorship Desk, to ensure that only reichwing-approved ‘news’ and opinion appear on screen or in print. But Fox evidently has no Editors…at least in the tradition sense of the word. How else could they allow a muddy 115-word sentence to appear in Ablow’s screed?

    During my graduate days, I taught Freshman Comp on a fellowship. Here’s a homework assignment for Dr. Ablow: (1) Diagram the ‘sentence’ below. (ALL of it, you lazy jerkwad.) (2) Translate the sentence from Bulgarian and rewrite it as several sentences in English.

    And I believe that telling third-grade or seventh-grade or tenth-grade children, adolescents or teenagers that this issue is settled to such an extent that they should feel comfortable with females walking in and seeing them urinating or pulling their pants down to change into football gear is a lie that can steal their ability to trust adults, shake their faith in any form of reality, traumatize them by shaming them and kindle waves of completely unnecessary anxiety related to whether they should be doing some sort of emotional inventory to determine whether they’re really going to turn into men, once and for all, or find out they’ve been suppressing the truth that they’re actually women.

    .

  5. Fenwick said,

    January 19, 2014 at 3:46

    ‘tradition’ should be ‘traditional’

  6. Fenwick said,

    January 19, 2014 at 3:51

    Florid Fail: I like the Hume quotation!

  7. Failure Artist said,

    January 19, 2014 at 4:19

    So, this scientist hasn’t heard of intersex people? Like people with androgyne insensitivity. They have what are considered the male chromosones, but they have more feminine curves than many XX people and it can take a long time for this condition to be discovered. God does weird stuff with chromosones and hormones.

  8. Failure Artist said,

    January 19, 2014 at 4:20

    fuck, i got the name wrong. androgen?

  9. kg said,

    January 19, 2014 at 4:39

    Cerb be savin em up!

  10. tigris said,

    January 19, 2014 at 5:53

    kindle waves of completely unnecessary anxiety related to whether they should be doing some sort of emotional inventory to determine whether they’re really going to turn into men

    Heavens, not an emotional inventory! Anything but that! What does he think people will discover about themselves via soul-searching and self-reflection? Well, OK, HE might find something nasty in the woodshed, but refusing to look doesn’t make it go away.

  11. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 19, 2014 at 7:09

    Sure, the terminology is dated, but The Replacements covered this 30 years ago:

    Don’t get him wrong and don’t get him mad
    He might be a father, but he sure ain’t a dad
    And she don’t need advice that they send her
    She’s happy with the way she looks
    She’s happy with her gender

    Mirror image, see no damage
    See no evil at all
    Kewpie dolls and urinal stalls
    Will be laughed at
    The way you’re laughed at now

  12. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 19, 2014 at 7:12

    tigris, syrbal/labrys is experimenting with lacto-fermentation… your considerable insight into the process might give her some ideas.

  13. kg said,

    January 19, 2014 at 10:00

    every cerb-american should pee !

  14. kg said,

    January 19, 2014 at 10:01

    I woulldnnot want to be a lil cerbian at this point

  15. kg said,

    January 19, 2014 at 10:02

    just sayin

  16. Smut Clyde said,

    January 19, 2014 at 10:18

    completely unnecessary anxiety related to whether they should be doing some sort of emotional inventory to determine whether they’re really going to turn into men

    Letsee. You have sports entertainment channels, presenting a particular steroidal physique & behaviour as models of masculinity… you have any amount of advertising devoted to stoking anxieties that one is not sufficiently rigid… there are so many potential targets for social criticism.

    So instead, Ablow is singling out a handful of people who don’t fit into a simple male / female polarity. Truly a Profile in Courage.

  17. Smut Clyde said,

    January 19, 2014 at 10:30

    Translate the sentence from Bulgarian and rewrite it as several sentences in English.

    Hey, lay off Bulgarian. If it’s anything like the other Slavic languages, it is a model of grammatical lucidity.

  18. Gary Ruppert said,

    January 19, 2014 at 16:11

    The fact is, transgenderism is a fantasy. You are one or the other, but liberals are happy to let the mentally ill tell them what realty is as long as it sticks it to The Man.

  19. The Dark God of Time, AKA DA® said,

    January 19, 2014 at 16:59

    Kleinfelter’s Syndrome(XXY) springs to mind, according to the Wiki, it can occur in 0.2% to 0.1% of all live male births.

  20. S. cerevisiae said,

    January 19, 2014 at 17:41

    Toronto Syndrome(YYZ) can cause an inordinate fondness for poutine.

  21. Austin Loomis said,

    January 19, 2014 at 18:20

    Our lovely and talented hostess skrev:

    Memo to self: start a trans* teacher website collecting news stories about trans* teaching, personal accounts, deconstructions of the not-commented-on-enough bigotries held against trans* teachers as corrupting recruiters and child molesters, and stories of discrimination. If I haven’t gotten around to it by the end of the year, can one of you glare at me to get me off my ass?

    I’m tempted to glare at you now, because I can just barely imagine how much trans* teachers need such a site. However, comma, I won’t, because I have even less idea of how much you currently have on your plate.

  22. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 19, 2014 at 19:08

    I’ll go ahead and glare now. Because I think its a great idea that can’t wait.

  23. bughunter said,

    January 19, 2014 at 20:20

    Toronto Syndrome(YYZ) can cause an inordinate fondness for poutine.

    It can also lead to spontaneous outbursts of air Bass.

  24. tsam said,

    January 19, 2014 at 21:13

    Somebody needs to point out to this freak that his fixation on young boy genitals isn’t healthy.

  25. Smut Clyde said,

    January 19, 2014 at 21:41

    Somebody needs to point out to this freak that his fixation on young boy genitals isn’t healthy.

    I was reminded of Dobson of “Focus on the Family”, who advised fathers to share showers with their young sons and show them what a full-sized male penis is supposed to look like. He argued that boys do not grow up suitably socialised and intimidated without regular exposure to an adult dick at eye-level.

  26. Failure Artist said,

    January 19, 2014 at 22:23

    ZZ Syndrome causes the bearer to grow excessively long beards.

  27. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 19, 2014 at 22:31

    As I think about it, a web site such as you describe, Cerb, would make a lot of heads go all asplodey. Ablow would, we hope, be among them. So there’s that.

  28. The Dark God of Time, AKA DA® said,

    January 19, 2014 at 22:35

    And it would give a certain person the jitters, having to split their time between this site and the Trans in Education(or whatever you end up calling it) blog.

  29. CRA said,

    January 19, 2014 at 22:38

    Ablow himself is unreachable. He is a doctor who appears on Fox to make diagnoses of people he hasn’t met. And that might be the most reasonable thing he does, thinks is credible.

  30. CRA said,

    January 19, 2014 at 22:44

    Conservative-themed remote diagnoses.

  31. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 19, 2014 at 22:57

    a doctor who appears on Fox to make diagnoses of people he hasn’t met

    He did a residency with Bill Frist.

  32. Suezboo said,

    January 19, 2014 at 23:25

    OT but needing some help over here.
    I am an obsessed fan of Bones, Fox TV Series. Please don’t chide me – it’s my first obsession since the 80s and I can’t help myself. OK?
    For the last few months I have been watching episodes on Fox Broadcasting which releases the episode 8 days after it airs. Prior to that, you have to pay cable and Hulu and other places – I dunno. Before this year, Fox was blocked to us furriners but someone alerted me to Hola which unblocked the vids for me. Huzzah ! But, when I tried to access the latest episode, the whole website was closed to me, saying like “Video link invalid” – wouldn’t open at all.
    So, can I unblock Fox or can you suggest another free, furriner-friendly (maybe with Hola’s help) place where I can watch ? Help puh -sob- lease.
    What to do ? What to do?

  33. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 19, 2014 at 23:35

    Suez, sounds like you actually have a bad link. You may need to reinstall or restart or reset or whatever the Hola extension. I don’t use it so I don’t know much about it but I did use expatshield for a while to watch Formula 1 on the beeb. That sometimes required a browser restart to work. Does Hola have any settings / tools / menu?

  34. Suezboo said,

    January 19, 2014 at 23:45

    Pups, I Heart You. Restarted Firefox and viola! Mwah

  35. Smut Clyde said,

    January 19, 2014 at 23:48

    a doctor who appears on Fox to make diagnoses of people he hasn’t met

    The psych. professional code of ethics frowns upon making distance diagnoses. Mainly, though, that’s because providing free advice is undercutting the financial model and taking money away from some other psychologist who could (potentially) be charging for a proper consultation… it’s like prostitutes fucking for free.
    So IOKIYA being paid to make diagnoses of people you haven’t met.

  36. Smut Clyde said,

    January 19, 2014 at 23:49

    excessively long beards.

    There is NO SUCH THING.

  37. tsam said,

    January 19, 2014 at 23:57

    I think it’s time for some psychiatrists who actually care about ethics and respect the profession to give Ablow a peer to peer beat down. It’s upsetting when professionals stand back and watch a guy make a joke of the rest of them.

  38. tsam said,

    January 20, 2014 at 0:00

    I would think that the professional code of ethics would also frown on doctors calling bigotry and fantasy psychiatry. Sort of like a lawyer arguing that Bill of Rights doesn’t actually protect some citizens because they don’t feel like their sexuality warrants being called a person.

  39. Smut Clyde said,

    January 20, 2014 at 0:10

    It’s upsetting when professionals stand back and watch a guy make a joke of the rest of them.
    Krauthammer has been diagnosing his political targets as mentally ill for years. Dobson from FotF remains in good psych.-professional standing. That ship has sailed, has discovered America, and is now re-enacting Magellan’s circumnavigation.

  40. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 20, 2014 at 0:33

    Well….. James “Dickswinger” Dobson is a psychologist. Just like Richard Cohen who got booted out of the American Counseling Association. But then Dobson woulod say “because jebus.” Ablow is a puhsickiatrist so different organization.

  41. Smut Clyde said,

    January 20, 2014 at 0:40

    I would think that the professional code of ethics would also frown on doctors calling bigotry and fantasy psychiatry.
    Sadly, if you take the fantasy out of psychiatry there is really not a lot left, apart from the right to prescribe drugs.

  42. Pupienus said,

    January 20, 2014 at 1:48

    Think you need to yell a little louder, tsam.

  43. The Dark God of Time, AKA DA® said,

    January 20, 2014 at 2:04

    ZZZZ Best syndrome makes you cheat your investors.

  44. El Manquécito said,

    January 20, 2014 at 2:10

    Sadly, if you take the fantasy out of psychiatry there is really not a lot left, apart from the right to prescribe drugs.

    Funding dude, big funding.

  45. Fenwick said,

    January 20, 2014 at 4:22

    Cerb: I, too, think a Trans* Teacher site is nifty idea! Some things to ponder:

    A ‘comment’ feature’ might be a two-edged sword: Great for sharing ideas about surviving hostility in the profession (and also professional tips and suggestions). Also good for building solidarity in the Trans* community. Disadvantage: Reich-wing trolls will put up toxic and threatening ‘comments’. (The latter being a special concern considering the violence against trans* people.) Thus the site may need vigorous janitorial–in the Roman sense–patrol to empty the vicious shit and ban the assholes who shat it.

    Another thing to ponder: Will you be able to sustain all three? I marvel that you already sustain two sites, one of which is Sadlytown. Would a third site stretch you too thin? (((Maybe I’m just being selfish as a Sadlyburg resident: I enjoy reading your work. And you DO work on your posts; that is evident from the quality of your writing.)))

    Of course all of this comment was written by Fenwick, a computer and intertubes Luddite … and guy who doesn’t even sustain one site.

    (((BBBB: My mind is made up, you big bald nice person!)))

  46. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 20, 2014 at 4:29

    Wait – I don’t have the right to prescribe drugs? Good thing some certain people didn’t know that either.

  47. Fenwick said,

    January 20, 2014 at 4:46

    As I was catching up the thread I saw some terrific band names. You folks are really cooking on this thread, especially word juxtapostions.

    I’ve been doing the Battle(s) of the Bands because I find it goofy and entertaining. (I worked for 3 years as a radio announcer and disc jockey.) Sometimes it seems like the only contribution I make to a thread. Also I thought other Sadlies might be amused when they recognize some of the Bands they themselves had generated. But I’m afflicted with doubt, so I’ll toss out some questions. Be honest; my feelings won’t be hurts.

    Do Sadliynauts enjoy the Battle of the Bands? Do you find it irritating? Should I give it up?

    For now, I’m going to go back and ransack Cerb’s post for good Band possibilites….

  48. CRA said,

    January 20, 2014 at 4:54

    As you might guess, Fenwick, Battle of the Bands is fine with me. They’re not all good, but I think too much restraint (in terms of the number of names) would be pointless, since posting even a short list is takes almost as much trouble/space as a longer one.

    We both have a weakness for this sort of thing, and you’re stoned most of the time, and I’ve smoked enough for several lifetimes, so who knows. But then, these people do puns and stuff.

  49. CRA said,

    January 20, 2014 at 4:58

    In fact, a short list of band names takes longer, since you’ve gotta do some weeding, without any assurance that the culling is to others’ tastes.

  50. Major Kong said,

    January 20, 2014 at 5:02

    I am definitely pro Battle of the Bands.

  51. VCarlson said,

    January 20, 2014 at 5:10

    ASSurance in Culling

  52. VCarlson said,

    January 20, 2014 at 5:13

    As for length of beard, there’s a local homeless guy who has a dreadlocked beard that extends about to his knees/mid-shin.

  53. Suezboo said,

    January 20, 2014 at 5:49

    Rasta funeral in town today. Everybody loves those. They parade behind the hearse, singing and dancing reggae-style with flags and banners and the people cheer them on.

  54. Fenwick said,

    January 20, 2014 at 5:52

    Battle of the Bands [Cerb edition]

    Cerb’s post was a veritable vein of Band Names! Here are 11 of them. I pitched ten others. (I really do try to edit them to shorten the list.) Okay, I’m now going back for the Commenters Battle of the Bands.

    Gender Anarchy
    Yell At the Clouds
    Mutilation Surgery
    Plush Shotgun
    Violin Pumpkin
    World of Gumdrop
    Bubbling Soul Liquid
    Cootie Infections
    Fiction of a World
    Our Old Tricks
    Meddlesome Priest

  55. Fenwick said,

    January 20, 2014 at 6:09

    Too much restraint (in terms of the number of names) would be pointless, since posting even a short list is takes almost as much trouble/space as a longer one….

    A short list of band names takes longer, since you’ve gotta do some weeding, without any assurance that the culling is to others’ tastes.

    CRA: You touched on a continuing dilemma, and you are correct about editing. I’m sure I’ve thrown away names that other Sadlies might find hilarious. I think I just throw them all up in future. I suspect THIS thread is gonna have a long list! You folks are cooking!

    Major: Thanks for the vote of confidence. Your opinion–pick any subject–carries a lot of weight with me.

  56. VCarlson said,

    January 20, 2014 at 6:12

    carries a lot of weight with me.

    And chickens. Never forget the chickens.

  57. Major Kong said,

    January 20, 2014 at 6:20

    I need to take the cat to the V.E.T. tomorrow for her annual checkup.

    There will be blood (probably mine).

    I can try to put her in the cat carrier or I can just stick my hand in the Cuisinart and hit “puree”. Roughly the same outcome either way.

  58. DataSnake said,

    January 20, 2014 at 6:37

    I marvel that you already sustain two sites, one of which is Sadlytown. Would a third site stretch you too thin?

    Wait, Cerb already sustains two sites? What’s the other one?

  59. VCarlson said,

    January 20, 2014 at 6:47

    I need to take the cat to the V.E.T. tomorrow for her annual checkup.

    I don’t think that helps. That’s one word she can probably spell. My cats have become resigned to trips to the spa. My elder one needs subcutaneous fluids every other day, so when I travel, they both board at the vet’s (the younger one hates being alone). So they don’t necessarily associate trips to the vet’s with undignified poking and prodding.

  60. Fenwick said,

    January 20, 2014 at 7:03

    Battle of the Bands Commenters version

    CRA: Most of my previous edits were for names that seemed too long. I’ve tried to imagine the name on 60′s psychedelic blacklight poster (featuring other bands too. Think Monteray…) But I’m NOT going to do that anymore. Instead I’ll limit the names to four words. e.g. They Might Be Giants.

    Soulology
    Ectoplasmic Printer
    Nasty in the Woodshed
    Kewpie Dolls
    Grammatical Lucidity
    Fondness for Poutine
    Rasta Funeral
    Parade Behind the Hearse
    Tempted to Glare
    Remote Diagnoses
    8 Days After
    Sexuality Warrants
    Peer-to-Peer Beat Down
    Mentally Ill for Years
    Re-enacting Magellan
    Take the Fantasy Out
    Yell a Little Louder
    Never Forget the Chickens
    Hand in the Cuisinart

  61. Fenwick said,

    January 20, 2014 at 7:07

    Cerb already sustains two sites

    The other site is her own. Don’t know the link off the top of my head. Anybody help me out here?

  62. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 20, 2014 at 8:06

    The other site is her own. Don’t know the link off the top of my head. Anybody help me out here?

    http://www.transpolyasexual.wordpress.com

    I have a link in my bogroll, the header is “Singularly Bizarre”.

    (((BBBB: My mind is made up, you big bald nice person!)))

    About blogging? I know you indicated that you wanted to concentrate on fiction, but you can do that on a blog as well. Johnny Pez regularly does short fiction projects.

  63. Fenwick said,

    January 20, 2014 at 11:30

    Here are my own personal picks for the Battle of Band winners:

    Cerb’s: Bubbling Soul Liquid

    Thread: Parade Behind the Hearse
    (from Suezboo)

  64. Major Kong said,

    January 20, 2014 at 15:33

    Bubbling Soul Liquid

    Band name or Isaac Hayes album from 1974?

  65. BringTheNoise said,

    January 20, 2014 at 16:40

    How the fuck is Ablow still licenced? Does he have his own board, a la Paul the Even Lesser?

  66. Helmut Monotreme said,

    January 20, 2014 at 17:49

    is a powerful, devious and pathological way to weaken them by making them question their sense of safety, security and certainty about anything and everything.

    Most people are not ‘weakened’ by uncertainty. Anyone who can only function in terms of absolute certainty is not what I would call an adult. What else is adulthood but the acceptance of uncertainty and learning how to compromise? Who hasn’t learned by their tenth birthday that most things that are taught to us as certainties are just simplifications of a more complex truth? If one is incapable of dealing with uncertainty, how the hell can that person ever drive a car? or coordinate a meetup with friends or choose a career?

    The author of this piece scares me, when he says:

    partly because I grew up at a time when liberal politicians weren’t as brazen about trying to erode my sense of self.

    the reason this is scary is that anyone whose sense of self is so ephemeral that actions of politicians could erode it by allowing trans people to use their preferred bathroom, has a sense of self that has less structural integrity than a sugar sculpture left outside in a storm surge.

    Whatever happened to building a sense of self based on ones goals and accomplishments, hardships endured and obstacles overcome, who one loves and who one is loved by? I shouldn’t have to say this, but if a person’s sense of self is shaken by someone else using the bathroom of their choice, there’s a person whose sense of self should be shaken right the hell apart sooner rather than later, so they can start building one that doesn’t have chickenshit prejudice as a load bearing member.

  67. CRA said,

    January 20, 2014 at 18:21

    … a person whose sense of self should be shaken right the hell apart sooner rather than later, so they can start building one that doesn’t have chickenshit prejudice as a load bearing member.

    Quoted for emphasis, but the whole thing’s good.

  68. Gary Ruppert said,

    January 20, 2014 at 19:16

    The fact is my right to pee without a crossdressing trans gendered freak looking at my penis is immuteable. Libs wanting every pervert to have the right to use any restroom of their choice is downright dispickable.

  69. some guy said,

    January 20, 2014 at 19:23

    “Gary Ruppert and the Heartlanders”

    “Chris Krispie and the Kremes”

    “Pennis and the Bubonics”

  70. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 19:30

    give them some small manner of empathy and acknowledgment to those not like themselves.

    you answer the that question, but yes…my first reading of ablow and the regrettable comments which followed, had me convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that these wingnuts, despite their continual avowal of being christians, have no fucking empathy whatsover…and that they might even participate in a even a teensy-weensy bit of self-exploration (no, not that kind…wanking is the one thing they are probably good at) and might discover that they are a bit ‘different’ than the rest of the flock…why, that might lead to questioning one’s self and self worth…and they might begin to wonder why they are different, which may lead to even bigger questions and holy crap, before you know it, they may even question the almighty jehovah!

    cannot. have. that.

    for who or what are they without their faith and their god?

    I don’t see anything but toxicity from the notion of a person with female anatomy feeling free to use the urinal in the boys’ rest room while a boy stands next to her and uses one, too.

    aaaaaaaand he admits he’s a major asshole who cannot bring himself to see there are discrepancies in human-kind which really makes his whole being a psychiatrist really, really fucked up…

  71. Black Helicopters said,

    January 20, 2014 at 19:31

    partly because I grew up at a time when liberal politicians weren’t as brazen about trying to erode my sense of self.

    First the liberal politicians came for my marriage. Then they came for my sense of self.

    Before they come for my guns, I’m planning a great big shooting rampage.

  72. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 19:31

    Libs wanting every pervert to have the right to use any restroom of their choice is downright dispickable.

    thuffering thucotash!

    also, too…yelling at clouds is my favorite band name right now…

  73. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 19:41

    I shouldn’t have to say this, but if a person’s sense of self is shaken by someone else using the bathroom of their choice, there’s a person whose sense of self should be shaken right the hell apart sooner rather than later, so they can start building one that doesn’t have chickenshit prejudice as a load bearing member.

    to be fair, keith is leading a band of people who are convinced that transgendered persons just decide to be a girl or a boy on ‘whims’ and that they change their minds from day to day or even hour by hour! oh, you whimsical transgenders you make us wonder!!!

    what i found really interesting is that there were a zillion comments about, ‘well, you know boys will be boys and they are going to just say they feel like a girl that day so they can go in the girl’s toities and locker rooms to get an eyeful of boobies! heheh…aren’t they clever little boys! sure wish i was there too!’ and not one single one of them pointed out that doing so would be lying which is a sin…they are truly convinced that kids are just going to be running to the lavs or the locker rooms at will just for fun…like there’s no control mechanisms in place…their willingness to be so simpleminded is boggling…

    also, there were quite a few who were, ‘if my kid’s school ever does this, i’m going with them to the bathroom and the locker rooms every single time they do to make sure no freak is looking at my kid!’ to which at least one person did point out that having freaked-out militant parents in the restrooms and lockerrooms scoping out all the naked kids would be freaky and troublesome on it’s own…

    also, they are aware there are stalls in most bathrooms, right? people using the restrooms don’t all just communally squat over a central drain, right…they get that any private bits or personal things that need to be accomplished are generally completed behind a stall door, right?

  74. tigris said,

    January 20, 2014 at 20:07

    transgendered persons just decide to be a girl or a boy on ‘whims’ and that they change their minds from day to day or even hour by hour

    Which would make it even less of a threat to these people’s sense of self, though, right? I think they’re afraid it’s all too real but think admitting it might make their dicks fall off. These are weak people who need the constant reassurance of obvious, uncrossable boundaries.

  75. Whale Chowder said,

    January 20, 2014 at 20:09

    They seem to miss the idea that any person requesting to use a bathroom that doesn’t match their genitalia is risking being “marked” permanently and NO kid who didn’t have pretty deep feelings about their gender identity would take that step. The power of bullying and shaming minimizes the risk of abuse.

    Sadly.

  76. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 20:13

    the stupid, it burns:

    CAN I TAKE A SQUIRT IN THE WOMENS RESTROOM!
    IF A FEMALE IS TAKING A SQUIRT AND I HAVE TO TOO, ILL SQUIRT BETWEEN HER LEGS!

    robert193677
    2 days ago
    what do expect from kaliforimexico; the cereal state?????? what aint fruits and nuts are flakes!!! rediculous!

    quillerm
    2 days ago
    The new generation of women are nuts, they won’t even let guys take a leak alone.

    viking4702
    2 days ago
    We’ve officially gone off the deep end. This is absolutely ridiculous. We’ve all been given (yes I said given) free choice. How we use it will determine our fate. LGBT is a choice – it’s not biological. Male Female is biological. When we die we are going to die Male or Female….not LGBT.

    For the past 6000 or so years we’ve survived just fine with living out biologically with what equipment we were born with. Society has thrived.

    Completely concur with Dr Ablow – this legislation is caustic to the fabric of humanity and society – creates way too much confusion. It’s time to return to what has been proven to work through history/time…..and return this liberal alternative Pandora’s box back to the shelf.

    also, there is a commenter who posits that ‘transgenderism and homosexuality occurs because of ‘bad parenting’…so, there ya go, cerb!

  77. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 20:16

    They seem to miss the idea that any person requesting to use a bathroom that doesn’t match their genitalia is risking being “marked” permanently and NO kid who didn’t have pretty deep feelings about their gender identity would take that step. The power of bullying and shaming minimizes the risk of abuse.

    Sadly.

    yes, that escapes them completely…what also escapes them completely is that all kinds of horrible things happen to trans persons on a regular basis…well, i guess that doesn’t escape them entirely because some of them whine about ‘how come my kid has to suffer just because of a few weirdos?’ but they certainly don’t give a flying fuck about the suffering of others…which again, doesn’t seem to jibe with their ‘christianity’…

  78. Whale Chowder said,

    January 20, 2014 at 20:28

    Fits right in with their wingnuttery, though.

  79. Suezboo said,

    January 20, 2014 at 20:32

    Isn’t that why we call them Christianists, rather than Christians ?
    Could it be that they have never actually read the New Testament or decided to follow what Jesus said but instead rely on a few hackneyed quotes from the Old Testament as revealed to them by their rightwing prophets like Limbaugh etc etc ?
    Nah, surely not.

  80. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 20:35

    Isn’t that why we call them Christianists, rather than Christians ?

    that is a good point…i would argue however that quite a few of them probably have read the nt, but still filtered it through their patented ‘what’s in it for me’ lens…

  81. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 20:36

    also, i’m so glad you were able to watch your ‘bones’…it is awful when one is jonesing to watch a favorite obsession only to be denied…hubbkf is going to be gone this evening so i am taking this opportunity to watch as much ‘downton abbey’ as i possibly can…ahhhhhh, guilty pleasures…

  82. Suezboo said,

    January 20, 2014 at 20:56

    Great episode, bbkf, I totally understand obsessing over TV dramas.
    In the 80s, a gang of us used to get together to watch Dallas every Tuesday night. Sure, we mocked a lot but still never missed an episode.Ah – good memories.

  83. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:04

    In the 80s, a gang of us used to get together to watch Dallas every Tuesday night. Sure, we mocked a lot but still never missed an episode.Ah – good memories.

    this is the best way to watch teh teevee…we do this* at the supper club i work at…wednesday nights are ‘american horror story’, thursday nights used to be ‘true story thursday’ on lifetime but now is ‘the voice’ (meh), friday nights used to be bad horror movie night, saturday nights are hgtv…it’s all good fun and mockery is abundant…it’s always fun when our later patrons stay out and enjoy the fun as well…

    *when we aren’t listening to loud, loud music…

  84. VCarlson said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:06

    In the 80s, a gang of us used to get together to watch Dallas every Tuesday night. Sure, we mocked a lot but still never missed an episode.Ah – good memories.

    I have to one-up (though it’s more properly one-down) you on this.

    Big breath.

    In the 1970′s, a bunch of us used to watch Battlestar Galactica together. Mostly to mock, but also because it was the only SF on TV at the time (saving Star Trek reruns, of course, but this was also pre-cable), and we were desperate.

  85. VCarlson said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:22

    And to be slightly on topic, my mother’s theory of child-rearing was that, as the adult (single parent), her job was to set (and enforce) the rules for her kids until such time as each kid in question had the knowledge and maturity to make his/her own decisions. In other words, “because I’m the mommy, that’s why” was what she used only until such time as the child had the tools to do it her/himself. And she considered it her primary job to give us the tools.

    So clear-cut either/or rules were in force only until such time as we were mature and knowledgeable enough to figure out our own shaded decisions – and such decisions could change with time and/or new knowledge. I admit it – I do have a few absolutes – torture is wrong, for instance.

  86. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:22

    Battlestar Galactica

    YOU WIN

  87. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:24

    So clear-cut either/or rules were in force only until such time as we were mature and knowledgeable enough to figure out our own shaded decisions – and such decisions could change with time and/or new knowledge. I admit it – I do have a few absolutes – torture is wrong, for instance.

    i dare say this is how life is, isn’t it? i mean for non-wingnuts…oooh, how terrifying to always be jamming their fingers into the dike to keep from drowing as new situations are thrust upon them and down their throats!

  88. CRA said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:30

    When we die we are going to die Male or Female….not LGBT.

    Interesting. So we are spirit-beings, but our identities are inseparable from particular bodies — or, to be precise, inseparable from Platonic ideals of the bodies we were born with … I can’t remember if Christian theology posits that our souls are created at or near conception, or if there’s a stockpile of them somewhere, waiting (given the math of pop. growth, mostly interminably) to be born, embodied. Given a particular body — not a series of them, as in other faiths — that, crucially, has an eternal and unchanging form suitable for the afterlife. Which brings me back to the numbnuts comment I quoted. I think the idea is that there are all kinds of flaws that’ll be gone in heaven. You can imagine what those might include.

  89. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:36

    I can say with some certainty that the vast majority of the more fervid believersd have not read the NT. At most they read a couple passages but they go mainly by what their grand wazoo tells them. Their understanding is received from the preacher. Even those passdahes they may have read mean only what the pastor tells them, not what they get from reading it and thinking about it. Because they don’t think about it.

  90. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:39

    I want to see Ablow squirm when someone tells him about all their gay guys looking at his wee weewee in men’s rooms and
    Locker rooms over the years. Yeah, they were looking at you Kiefey. And snickering.

  91. Suezboo said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:43

    Matthew 22:29.
    For in Heaven there is no giving or taking in marriage for all are like the angels .
    i.e. sexless

  92. CRA said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:49

    I don’t mean to imply that the feller bbkf quoted (I bet it’s male) has thought about the issues I raised. Somebody should (think), if they really intend to save swaths of humanity from the hellfires.

    The lack of doctrinal (not to mention lay) coherence is a bit of a “tell” on that point, eh? If even the catholic church — having had considerable time to figure out what to tell the gays, or people born with non-standard parts, (etc.), so as to bring them into the fold, such that they’ll be good sheep unto death — why, I hate to be a dick but maybe they don’t want too many people saved. Certainly not the wrong ones. Not a priority, and anyway the story as we’ve heard it never involved most folks, let alone those people. “Love the sinner,” indeed.

  93. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:49

    I didn’t watch TV in the 80s. At all. One evening I came home to the house I shared (in Balcones Woods, for our Austinite, which at that time was “way the hell out on 183″) With a couple other gay guys to find a dozen or so fags gathered around the teevee. I stood at the back watching for a minute or two then asked “What show is this?” They looked at me like I was an alien on this planet. Wouldn’t believe that I didn’t know anything about it. Silly queens.

  94. Suezboo said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:49

    Oops . Mark, not Matthew – that Catholic education was some time ago.

  95. CRA said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:52

    So this “Book of Mark,” I’m guessing that it’s not in the Book of Mormon?

  96. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 20, 2014 at 21:53

    Keepin it classy Arizona style.
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/01/20/new-arizona-law-will-provide-protection-to-christians-who-want-to-discriminate-against-gays-and-lesbians/

  97. Major Kong said,

    January 20, 2014 at 22:10

    Could it be that they have never actually read the New Testament

    They have the conservative edition of the Bible. It stops at Leviticus and picks up again at Revelation.

  98. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 22:20

    They have the conservative edition of the Bible. It stops at Leviticus and picks up again at Revelation.

    i think they go at it like they would a popular book that they may not really be interested in reading, but think they should just so they can be part of the gang at church and all the other christian hanging out spots…they start with genesis…start to snooze once the ‘begats’ start…they then page ahead to revelation which is the really excitin’ part…then they remember about teh gheys and whatnot and page through the verses they remember their pastor or some other god-botherer told them about…and then they can say they read the bible!

  99. VCarlson said,

    January 20, 2014 at 22:28

    Balcones Woods, for our Austinite, which at that time was “way the hell out on 183?

    Dayum. Yeah. I remember when 183 was way the hell out. Dad was born and raised outside Georgepatch, so I’ve been visiting the area pretty much my whole life. I lived in Austin 81-87, G’town 80-81 (until I got a job with TDH, and could afford to live in Austin). So I remember when going into Austin involved going through discrete towns -Round Rock, Pflugerville, lots of farm or ranch (depending on which side of the Interstate/Balcones Fault you were looking at) land, then Austin. Finally. When I bought a house, it was in way South Austin – south of William Cannon, just north of Slaughter Lane. Almost San Marcos, it seemed like, but that was where I could afford to buy.

  100. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 22:33

    (until I got a job with TDH,

    you work for teh dirty hippies?!

  101. VCarlson said,

    January 20, 2014 at 22:46

    (until I got a job with TDH,

    you work for teh dirty hippies?!

    Heh. Texas Department of Health. Despite having a BS in BS (aka a Bachelor of Science in Biological Sciences), I did not qualify for a “Microbiologist” position, but did qualify for a “Chemist” position. Because their God was UT, which was on the semester system, and I was a graduate of UC Davis, on the quarter system. 3 quarters in about the same amount of time as 2 semesters meant, by their math, 1 quarter unit was 2/3 of a semester hour. Never mind one took fewer classes per quarter than per semester. There was no arguing with it. I don’t work for them any more. I quit and went to Grad School to get my MLIS (Master of Library and Information Science – and I’ve been shushed more often than I’ve shushed, btw).

    I believe I have “DFH” as my party affiliation on my FB entry, though.

  102. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 22:56

    I quit and went to Grad School to get my MLIS (Master of Library and Information Science – and I’ve been shushed more often than I’ve shushed, btw).

    d’oh!!! this is my dream degree!!! but hubbkf felt quite strongly that i should make some actual money with the degree i already have first…now i’m afeered my brain is not able to accept vast amounts of information that i can quickly and reliably pull out when needed…i’m hoping to get in on the program where if you work for a non-profit for 10 years, you can get the balance of your student loans paid off…and then*, maybe i will look into the mlis programs…

    *also after perusing hubbkf’s life insurance policy…**
    **i kid…

  103. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 23:20

    Keepin it classy Arizona style.

    this is quite shocking…and not shocking at the same time…how long before there is intra-christian lawsuits? like, say, a catholic business owner refusing to serve a protestant because they aren’t of god’s true church?

  104. Crissa said,

    January 20, 2014 at 23:30

    I guess it’s another article by someone who doesn’t know that cisgendered people have been found with DNA that didn’t match their perceived or chosen gender, either.

    Ugh.

  105. Smut Clyde said,

    January 20, 2014 at 23:31

    Male Female is biological. When we die we are going to die Male or Female….not LGBT.

    That makes no sense at all. The commenter seems to believe that the best form of argument is to repeat one’s claim in more emotional tones. Why is Megan McArdle slumming in an Ablow comment thread?

  106. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 23:47

    That makes no sense at all.

    they also seem to think the earth is only 6000 years old, so by that standard…

  107. bbkf said,

    January 20, 2014 at 23:48

    also, i think cerb should change the title of this post to you’ve got to fight. for your right. to potty.

  108. Suezboo said,

    January 20, 2014 at 23:51

    Snicker.

  109. Major Kong said,

    January 20, 2014 at 23:58

    Texas Department of Health

    They have one? Really? I would have thought that would interfere with promoting a “bidness-friendly environment” as Molly Ivins used to say.

  110. Cerberus said,

    January 20, 2014 at 23:58

    bbkf- Agreed.

    Fenwick – Sustain is a strong word, but I actually am working on a post that will probably end up there soonish.

  111. bbkf said,

    January 21, 2014 at 0:22

    ohmygosh!!! i haz a flatter!

  112. Nym said,

    January 21, 2014 at 0:23

    how long before there is intra-christian lawsuits? like, say, a catholic business owner refusing to serve a protestant because they aren’t of god’s true church?

    Oddly enough, in this country I consider it much more likely to be the other way around.

  113. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 21, 2014 at 1:02

    In today’s Christianist sex offender news

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/md-youth-pastor-charged-with-child-porn-after-police-allegedly-seize-images-of-raped-babies-found-on-computer-112604/

  114. VCarlson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 1:11

    They have one? Really? I would have thought that would interfere with promoting a “bidness-friendly environment” as Molly Ivins used to say.

    There are probably some pesky laws somewhere requiring one.

  115. Fenwick said,

    January 21, 2014 at 1:48

    Helmut at 17:49: Superfine comment. If latecomers or lurkers missed it, you should definitely scroll up and read it!

  116. VCarlson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 2:39

    Helmut at 17:49: Superfine comment. 

    Yeah, thanks for the reminder, Fenwick. I think Helmut had it spot on with that comment.

    It all comes back to some people having dangerously fragile senses of self/belief/morality (by their own descriptions and demands) and requiring the rest of the world take giant steps backward to accomodate them.

  117. tsam said,

    January 21, 2014 at 2:46

    HEY YOU GUYS!! Do you realize that the two states that legalized pot are getting together for a Super BOWL?????

    HAHAHA!!!

    Take THAT, atheists!

  118. Failure Artist said,

    January 21, 2014 at 3:05

    How do these people know they haven’t already used a bathroom with a transgender person?

  119. Pupienus said,

    January 21, 2014 at 3:44

    How do these people know they haven’t already used a bathroom with a transgender person?

    Precisely the point of my “gays saw your willy ” comment.

    Take THAT, atheists!.

    At a debate an atheist site someone (seriously) said if men evolved from monkeys why aren’t monkeys evolving into humans now. I asked how did he know they aren’t. Radio silence.

  120. Suezboo said,

    January 21, 2014 at 3:47

    It has always seemed odd to me that men, who seem to suffer such anxiety about the size of their dingle-dangles, designed urinals to be used publicly; whereas women, who do not have a comparable problem (maybe boobs), pee in separate stalls.

  121. VCarlson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 4:33

    It has always seemed odd to me that men, who seem to suffer such anxiety about the size of their dingle-dangles, designed urinals to be used publicly; whereas women, who do not have a comparable problem (maybe boobs), pee in separate stalls.

    Yeah, that’s occurred to me, too. Though, honestly, all women’s bodies are generally considered to be a source of anxiety for the woman in question and are also considered public property from (former, I think) Governor Rape-with-an-Object of Virginia to random strangers who feel it is their right to feel up and/or criticize any pregnant woman they happen to encounter in publuc.

  122. Smut Clyde said,

    January 21, 2014 at 4:34

    Whatever happened to building a sense of self based on ones goals and accomplishments, hardships endured and obstacles overcome, who one loves and who one is loved by?

    Not enough business for psychiatrists.

  123. tsam said,

    January 21, 2014 at 5:06

    I love bananas. Definitely a trait from my monkey heritage.

  124. bbkf said,

    January 21, 2014 at 6:29

    ditto to this and to suezboo’s original comment…what is up with the peeing in front of everyone guys?

  125. VCarlson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 8:14

    ditto to this and to suezboo’s original comment…what is up with the peeing in front of everyone guys?

    Gotta do it … Can’t resist …

    Displaying their shortcomings.

  126. Fenwick said,

    January 21, 2014 at 8:38

    Battle of the Bands from the Comments, Part 2:
    Gonna be a weekend of non-stop music, day and night. Lots of bands have signed up!

    Sugar Sculpture
    Load Bearing Member
    Shadow of a Doubt
    Teensy-Weensy Bit
    Off the Deep End.
    Too Much Confusion
    Alternative Pandora
    Watch Your Bones
    Guilty Pleasures
    Obsessing Over TV
    We Were Desperate
    Give Us the Tools
    Always Be Jamming
    Non-Standard Parts
    Alien on This Planet
    Dream Degree
    Molly Ivins
    Evolved From Monkeys
    Dingle Dangles
    Business for Psychiatrists
    Love Bananas
    Monkey Heritage

  127. Fenwick said,

    January 21, 2014 at 8:59

    I’m rooting for these bands.

    Watch Your Bones
    Non-Standard Parts (*)
    Molly Ivins
    Dingle Dangles

    Got any favorites in the Battle? Let me know! … to give me some insight into what Sadlies like when I’m panning the thread for band-name gold.

    (*) For 20 years, my younger sister was the lead singer in several blues and rock bands in the Kansas City – Lawrence area. She and some former colleagues from two bands, formed their final group…and by far the best of them: Used Parts

    So there’s that. Also Non-Conforming Parts seems appropriate for the Topic….

    Also good golly I still miss Molly. (Also an homage to Molly Hatchet.)

  128. Fenwick said,

    January 21, 2014 at 9:26

    VCarl (& bbkf): My elder sister earned three degrees and worked as a child psychologist and then as an oncology nurse. Then she decided to change careers again, and went back to school for a fourth degree–MLIS.

    For several years, she worked as a curator in the map rooms of KC’s central public library. Then she found her dream job: She is now the Head Cataloger at the Nelson-Atkins Museum, KC’s premier art museum. She loves what she’s doing. Also because Nelson-Atkins has a specialized library she gets very nifty art and antiquities books on her cataloging cart!

    What sort of library do you work at? From your ‘shushing’ comment, I surmise you work in customer service. Also congrats on finding a position! Not many openings in your profession.

  129. Fenwick said,

    January 21, 2014 at 9:28

    Also Displaying Their Shortcomings mos def goes into the next Battle of the Bands. (Seems like a garage band with a sense of irony…)

  130. Fenwick said,

    January 21, 2014 at 9:30

    Oh fudge. I seem to have kilt the thread once again.

  131. Major Kong said,

    January 21, 2014 at 11:05

    It has always seemed odd to me that men, who seem to suffer such anxiety about the size of their dingle-dangles, designed urinals to be used publicly

    In the Air Force they’d occasionally tap us for random drug testing. The guy had to sit there and watch you fill the bottle to prevent cheating.

    And you thought your job sucked.

    Being prone to “stage fright” I’d have to stand there thinking about waterfalls and fire hoses to get the thing to work.

  132. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 21, 2014 at 13:11

    In the Air Force they’d occasionally tap us for random drug testing. The guy had to sit there and watch you fill the bottle to prevent cheating.

    I had to take a drug test for my long-term volunteering gig. I show up at the lab having to piss like a racehorse (drank a large cup of coffee while walking to the subway station in the Bronx, and the lab was near Union Square). The tech hands me a little cup (needless to say it had no handle), about half my goddamn bladder capacity (I can hold my water like a camel) and tells me that I can’t wash my hands until after the sample is sealed. Getting that stupid thing filled without overflowing was a real trick.

  133. Raul said,

    January 21, 2014 at 14:15

    ‘Fondess for Poutine’

    Hello Detroit! We are Poutine Propensity!! are you ready to ROCK?!?!?! if that’s ok. if not, sorry we can come back later.

  134. Chris Christie said,

    January 21, 2014 at 15:51

    I’m trying to get my arms around an awful situation and understand it, and then address it, and then resolve it.

    Please wish me the best of luck in the above endeavor.

  135. some guy said,

    January 21, 2014 at 19:11

    Remember when Ahnold announced he was going to do a personal investigation into allegations of serial groping?

    I have a feeling Chris Krispie-kreme’s investigation of Bridge-gate is going to come up with very similar results.

    But maybe that’s just me?

  136. VCarlson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 20:11

    What sort of library do you work at? From your ‘shushing’ comment, I surmise you work in customer service. Also congrats on finding a position! Not many openings in your profession.

    My very first Real Library Job was at University of Florida, in their new Science Library, open about 6 mos when I got there. The “genius” who designed the building included a hole in the ceiling/floor directly over the Reference Desk, where those of us working Reference answered questions (the new head of the library had talked thhe architect down from a sweeping staircase, that would have eaten up even more valuable floorspace). The students working at the desks around the hole in the floor/ceiling on the floor above often objected to the noise, shushing us and occasionally throwing things at us. The architect also included a narrow corridor with a right angle turn as the sole access to the freight elevator on one of the floors, so I didn’t think much of him. The Science Library was a nice place to work, but I got headhunted into a Corporate library (where I found mysekf kearning a great deal about the effects of crude oil on northern wildlife).

    As a corporate librarian, I got paid a bit better, there were fewer meetings than in Academia, and the questions were not as repetitive. It’s also not as secure, and I did get “downsized” a couple of times, the most recent when the bottom dropped out for everyone. Too bad. I’d been being paid to solve puzzles*, my dream job.

    *Libraries aren’t really about the books, which are primarily effective containers for information, but more about making the information findable, helping people find it, and finding it for people when it’s difficult or time-consuming for them to find or they just do’wanna.

  137. O.J. Simpson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 20:14

    Christie has skin in the game, feels strongly, and has the knowledge and resources needed to get to the bottom of this. I can’t imagine a better person to investigate Bridge-Gate.

  138. CRA said,

    January 21, 2014 at 20:17

    Since I’m using my real initials again, I’ll wisely keep quiet about MLIS programs, the jobs, and so on. I haven’t exactly been a credit to the profession in these comment threads. Plus, my mood is extra dark lately re: work, professionalism, shifting careers …

  139. VCarlson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 21:01

    I’ll wisely keep quiet about MLIS programs, the jobs, and so on.

    I’m not so wise, I guess. I have a real problem with the profession running away from “library” because it’s not sexy, and far too many people with pursestring control think all librarians do is dust books (real opinion of a VP for one of the companies I worked for). The trouble is, they’re trying to use the IT guys as allies. I see a number of problems with this, including their wretched customer service reputation, the misogyny still prevalent in the profession, and the fact that many of those guys might be hot shit at making databases, but without a clue about information, which is the important part. I know, I’ve developed workarounds for some pretty … challenging database designs. And I was one of the librarians the IT guys would actually talk to (we had a pretty good relationship with the IT department – they’d give us stuff to try out, and if we couldn’t break it, they figured no one could. Libraries are pretty tech-dependent and demanding.).

    Corporate libraries are dying out, because Google. Google’s a wonderful tool, don’t get me wrong, but you still need people around who grok information – and can negotiate access to databases and journals (we had one user ask us why we were still around -why, just the other day, he’d gotten the info he needed from a Google search that had taken him to this wonderful site with just what he needed. We pointed out that he could only get that info from that site because we’d negotiated -and paid for – IP access to that site. And maybe he’d like to come to our next class on that site – it might not have taken him so long to find his info if he knew their tools). One of these days, one major company is gonna get its ass sued for patent infringement by another major, something they could have avoided had they kept their librarians, and I’m gonna laugh. And point.

  140. Suezboo said,

    January 21, 2014 at 21:12

    I can’t speak for the conditions where you are but I know that in the Third World, librarians and people who can find and access information are absolutely essential. So many barriers – language, literacy, access to computers, computer knowhow, bureaucracy knowhow – that free public librarians and schmucks like me can help to navigate.

  141. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 21, 2014 at 21:16

    ‘Fondess for Poutine’

    Hello Detroit! We are Poutine Propensity!! are you ready to ROCK?!?!?! if that’s ok. if not, sorry we can come back later.

    I liked their earlier, prog-based incarnation “The Poutine Fondness” but the music was kinda cheesy.

  142. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 21, 2014 at 21:21

    The trouble is, they’re trying to use the IT guys as allies. I see a number of problems with this, including their wretched customer service reputation, the misogyny still prevalent in the profession, and the fact that many of those guys might be hot shit at making databases, but without a clue about information, which is the important part. I know, I’ve developed workarounds for some pretty … challenging database designs. And I was one of the librarians the IT guys would actually talk to (we had a pretty good relationship with the IT department – they’d give us stuff to try out, and if we couldn’t break it, they figured no one could. Libraries are pretty tech-dependent and demanding.).

    This. As one of those database guys. Very much this.

    I’m constantly amazed at the people in my “profession” that will finesse and tweak their “designs” without the faintest thought of actually, y’know, retrieving the data once they’ve got it into their “perfectly designed” system.

    “But look how elegant it is!”

    Fuck. You.

  143. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 21, 2014 at 21:29

    For Smut.

  144. Smut Clyde said,

    January 21, 2014 at 22:12

    In the Air Force they’d occasionally tap us for random drug testing.

    I remember that from back when I was in the Bureau. Never knew what to expect. One day it would be datura, then next day PCP, or something fresh out of the laboratory without a name yet.

  145. Smut Clyde said,

    January 21, 2014 at 22:15

    For Smut.
    Heh. My niece is staying with us at the moment. She is the one person I know who genuinely holds a certificate in trebuchet use (it was the best way to launch ropes over tree-canopy branches).

  146. tsam said,

    January 21, 2014 at 22:18

    Sheldon Cooper is best television representation of an IT guy–at least the ones I’ve encountered. Narcissistic know-it-alls who think they’re the only people contributing anything of value to society.

    Turns out that like Sheldon Cooper, mapping network drives and restarting computers is the ONLY thing in life these fucking pricks can handle. Oh, and epic neck beards.

  147. Major Kong said,

    January 21, 2014 at 22:28

    . One day it would be datura, then next day PCP, or something fresh out of the laboratory without a name yet.

    You’d love the Anthrax vaccine and the anti-nerve-agent pills then.

  148. tsam said,

    January 21, 2014 at 22:30

    You’d love the Anthrax vaccine and the anti-nerve-agent pills then.

    Which one was it that they needled culture into your shoulder and it turned into a disgusting, leaky scab? Was that Anthrax?

  149. Smut Clyde said,

    January 21, 2014 at 22:31

    the anti-nerve-agent pills

    Pills? LUXURY. Kids today.
    In our day all we had was intravenous atropine AND WE LIKED IT.

  150. Major Kong said,

    January 21, 2014 at 22:40

    In our day all we had was intravenous atropine AND WE LIKED IT.

    We had atropine injectors. It was about the size of a magic maker and had a spring-loaded needle that could go through your chem-suit when you jammed it into your thigh.

    I’m pretty sure it was just something to keep you busy while you were waiting to die.

  151. Major Kong said,

    January 21, 2014 at 22:42

    Which one was it that they needled culture into your shoulder and it turned into a disgusting, leaky scab?

    That was the anthrax vaccine. It was a series of six shots over a period of time. Some people developed symptoms similar to Parkinson’s or MS.

    I managed to avoid taking it. They stopped using it for a while and by the time they brought it back I’d retired.

  152. CRA said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:00

    Belligerent Moron reveals too much. Seems to have imagined a future for himself as a post-apocalyptic bandit from Borderlands or Fallout or Mad Max.

    As an aside:

    “In 2009, after failing to pay for a motorcycle he purchased, he pleaded guilty to first-degree theft in Pierce County.”
    Should read: “In 2009, after stealing a motorcycle, …

  153. VCarlson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:04

    I’m constantly amazed at the people in my “profession” that will finesse and tweak their “designs” without the faintest thought of actually, y’know, retrieving the data once they’ve got it into their “perfectly designed” system.

    “But look how elegant it is!”

    I remember interviews with database designers brought in at considerable expense. They’d ask us questions, we’d answer them, they went away and then presented us with a finished product that did not actually work very well. Because they didn’t tell us why they were asking us the questions they did, and they didn’t check back with some kind of model to find out if their assumptions were correct (no). Because the company had spent a lot of money on it (sunk costs, anyone?), and because I and our in-house IT guys, working together, could make it work, kinda, though not as well as it could have, we had to keep using it. I liked (almost all) the IT guys at our site (and they were all guys – there was a woman there for a while, but she got moved elsewhere) because they would listen, and did not seem to have the default assumption that all non-IT guys were idiots. So we’d listen to them, too. Funny how that works.

  154. tsam said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:10

    We had atropine injectors. It was about the size of a magic maker and had a spring-loaded needle that could go through your chem-suit when you jammed it into your thigh.

    I’m pretty sure it was just something to keep you busy while you were waiting to die.

    And DON’T forget to button them under his pocket so the medics will know not to administer any more…LOL

  155. VCarlson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:13

    Which one was it that they needled culture into your shoulder and it turned into a disgusting, leaky scab?

    I figured the answer was probably anthrax, but smallpox kind of fits the bill, too. I remember seeing the mess the hospital made of the smallpox inoculation when they had to give one to the daughter of a friend, when she was going to visit him in one of the 2 parts of the world in which smallpox was still endemic (outside germ warfare labs, of course). They’d stopped inoculating infants before she was born, so no one had the practiced touch any more. So instead of the single, oval, shallow scar I had, she had several deeper, irregular scars.

  156. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:25

    Sheldon Cooper is best television representation of an IT guy–at least the ones I’ve encountered. Narcissistic know-it-alls who think they’re the only people contributing anything of value to society.

    Also, too: why so many of them are glibertarians.

  157. Major Kong said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:28

    When I worked IT I had the advantage of actually being able to talk to the business people.

    I wasn’t at the level of some of the real hard-core techies, but a lot of those guys could only talk to other techies.

  158. bbkf said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:29

    tsam said,

    January 21, 2014 at 22:18

    your really need to watch ‘the i.t. crowd’…possibly the best show ever…

  159. tsam said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:32

    Also, too: why so many of them are glibertarians.

    Glibertarians consider themselves intellectuals. So do narcissists. Ayn Rand was the ultimate narcissist–an objectivist who had lots and lots to say about how bad the behavior of other people is, but expected unquestioning acceptance of theirs.

  160. bbkf said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:43

    oh, y’all…my heart is just breaking. a longtime friend and co-worker just lost her husband…they had to make the decision to take him off life support today…he was 54. they were two of the truly nice and good people you will ever meet…and their kids are equally great…in fact, the daughter works at my daughter’s group home…just sunday night she showed us pictures of the wedding dress she picked out last weekend…

    my friend has given so much to her church and has an unshakeable faith…and once again i wonder why god does this to his best servants?

  161. CRA said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:44

    possibly the best show ever…

    Dunno about that, but I was pretty bummed when I’d watched all the episodes.

  162. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:46

    When I worked IT I had the advantage of actually being able to talk to the business people.

    Yeah when I was doing more “traditional” IT work (installation/support/network/cabling/whatever) I was always praised for actually being able to talk intelligently to the customers. That always seemed strange.

    I still work “in IT” in that I write software, but I won’t ever claim to be part of “IT culture” as it exists. If I ever have to go to a techie meeting of some kind, I spend the whole time cringing.

    But maybe that’s because I view this work as something that is easy for me to do and pays reasonably well, not as a lifestyle.

  163. VCarlson said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:51

    oh, y’all…my heart is just breaking. a longtime friend and co-worker just lost her husband…they had to make the decision to take him off life support today…he was 54

    I’m sorry to hear that. Sorry for the loss to everyone affected by this. I hope they have a good support system. Her church had damn well better give back to her – I know that’s probably not why she was giving in the first place, but it kind of is – that’s what community is all about, after all. Something Ayn and her acolytes will probably never understand.

  164. Whale Chowder said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:52

    I wasn’t at the level of some of the real hard-core techies, but a lot of those guys could only talk to other techies.

    This is the basis of my current income. I’m the techspeak translator for our Services organization. As a former developer, I am capable of tech-to-English translation and vice-versa and so far Google xlate hasn’t subsumed my function.

  165. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 21, 2014 at 23:58

    Remember when Ahnold announced he was going to do a personal investigation into allegations of serial groping?

    I have a feeling Chris Krispie-kreme’s investigation of Bridge-gate is going to come up with very similar results.

    Damn, now I’m picturing Christie groping a bridge.,, thankfully, MPS’ Tengrain made that easy.

  166. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 22, 2014 at 0:06

    My niece is staying with us at the moment. She is the one person I know who genuinely holds a certificate in trebuchet use

    This does not surprise me at all.

  167. Thread Bear said,

    January 22, 2014 at 1:27

    I talk to the engineers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGS2tKQhdhY

  168. Fenwick said,

    January 22, 2014 at 1:38

    bbkf: If the husband was ‘taken off life support’, I assume he was in a coma….and that your friend was key in the decision to do so. As you help her through her grief, remind her of her compassion, wisdom, and love in making that difficult choice, perhaps the most heartbreaking choice imaginable.

    Maybe invite her to dinner? Your good pooches might help cheer her up. Wagging tails and sloppy muttski kisses may be a balm. Critters can be a type of ‘support system’, too. Just stroking an animal’s fur and feeling the life in it can be wonderful medicine for the heart-broken I hope she has a critter at home.

  169. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 22, 2014 at 1:38

    From the Facehugger page of Trestin Meacham:

    Allie you seem to share some friends with me. Why would you betray all those people and support a movement that seeks to destroy our culture and way of life?

    and

    Are you just a fool who believes everything the TV tells you? If the TV tells you in ten years that opposition to bestiality is hate, will you be coming down on us backward thinking decent people who think it wrong? I don’t need a lecture on hypocrisy from a traitor.

    “I’m seriously considering moving to Russia in a few years. They have far more economic freedom. And are the only developed nation that actually promotes and fights for traditional values. America has become one of the most oppressive countries on earth.

  170. Fenwick said,

    January 22, 2014 at 1:46

    when I was in the Bureau

    Smut: Well this makes me curious. What bureau? FBI? Bureau of Weights and Measures? What did you do there?

    (Yet another Fenwickian question barrage. Perhaps I should rein in my curiosity about people, their histories, their lives.)

  171. tsam said,

    January 22, 2014 at 1:51

    But maybe that’s because I view this work as something that is easy for me to do and pays reasonably well, not as a lifestyle.

    That’s the issue right there. This is especially bad among cops and younger military members.

  172. Fenwick said,

    January 22, 2014 at 1:52

    Pup: That is one seriously fucked-up dude.

  173. Smut Clyde said,

    January 22, 2014 at 1:54

    your really need to watch ‘the i.t. crowd’…possibly the best show ever…

    Nonsense. Best show ever is Hellfjord.

  174. tsam said,

    January 22, 2014 at 1:54

    From the Facehugger page of Trestin Meacham:

    HOLY SHIT.

    Fucking victim much?

    I don’t think you get how hard it is to be a Mormon in gay America. They simply will not let us breath. We are to their movement what the Jews were to the Nazis, and in time they will be trying to march us into ovens. And if you don’t believe me, I have hundreds of message from them to back up that claim.

    Just fucking kill yourself, dude. You suck so bad at life that it’s a miracle you haven’t already drowned in a bowl of soup.

  175. tsam said,

    January 22, 2014 at 1:59

    From the bike seat sniffer’s Facebook, his “likes”:

    Cumorah International LDS Resources, Governor Jan Brewer, Elephant Island, Antarctica, I Bet Navy Petty Officers get 1,000,000 Likes Before Naval Officers by Emmy Delbrey, The Richfield Reaper, Arutz 7 – Israel National Radio, George Orwell, Steven Crowder, The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, San Francisco 49ers, for The Betterment of Mankind, “The Joy of Painting” with Bob Ross, JOHN WAYNE, Monroe, Utah, Can this Goat get more fans than Barack Obama?, Tiepedia | Necktie Resource, Conservative Hideout 2.0, Ryan Hamilton, Anything About Guns, Defend the Constitution, Being Conservative, DoFollow Info – Blog Directory, Social Bookmarking, Forums, & More, dirtbagchronicle.com, Utah Jazz, Ludwig von Mises Institute, Glenn Beck, reason.tv, Stop Bob Bennett, Hoovers, Dear Obama, Stop blaming Bush. It’s getting old. Sincerely, Everyone., I hate it when I wake up in the morning and Barack Obama is President., NPIEE.org, Sleeping with the aircon/fan and the doona on at the same time, The Navy Club, General George Washington, The Conservative Lady, Defeat The Debt, Randomly laughing because you remembered something funny., Utah, Butterfinger, The Family: A Proclamation to the World, Poverty Flats, Coca-Cola, Facebook Security, Joseph Smith, The Prophet, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, President George Washington, Ron Paul, National Rifle Association, Manhattan Declaration, Manning Johnson Day, Conservative Commando Radio Show, Jorgensen’s Lanes, White Raven Studio, American Conservative Resistance Network, Socialism Survival Podcast, Juniper Tree Skin Care, Legal Insurrection, Leddy Club Lambs, 1,000,000 Supporting Traditional Marriage, Heterosexual Pride, Sarah Elizabeth Boucher, Statism Is Slavery, Thomas E. Woods Jr., Make the Connection, The United States Constitution, Don’t Put It On Our Tab, Jaymes J. McKinlay – American Family Insurance – Richfield, UT, Independent American Party, Quality Automotive Group, Kevin Moore Electric, Brian Carlson – ABC 4, I am LDS, SENTRY JOURNAL, Travis Cody, Reaganite Republican, Dazi Acres, America is Conservative, Utah Family Magazine, Monroe Mountain Healing Massage, Dennis Miller, I Sustain Thomas S. Monson, Michael C. Mathie, Attorney at Law, The Dark Hemisphere, Hordak, Masters Of The Universe Classics, JD Sparx, Frederic Bastiat, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Ezra Taft Benson, George Washington, Dieter F. Uchtdorf, Henry B. Eyring, Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Seminary, LDS Missionaries, Brigham Young, God, Sheldon Cooper, Will Smith, Mr. Bean, John Stossel, The Onion, Marysvale, Utah, Winning, Gordon B. Hinckley, Detolf, I stand with The First Presidency and Quorum of The Twelve Apostles, The Sportkeeper, Dolph Lundgren, Guardians Of American Liberty – GOAL, Masters of the Universe Classics, He-Man, Richfield Communications, Fiero Catering, Alma Perez Jackson for State Representative District 125, I’m too pretty to work., Professor Xavier’s School for Gifted Youngsters, Dogs, Libertas Institute, NCAA FB: College Football, The Gold Standard, SF 49ers Fanatics, Scheels, Motuc Fan Page, Rick’s Richfield Monuments, Barry Goldwater, Liberty Clips, Timeline Sucks, Guy On A Buffalo, Rand Paul, Gun Owners of America, Hansen Beauty Supply & Salon, Jon McNaughton, The New American Magazine, Central Ohio for Gary Johnson for President, Women bringing you Sandwiches, Caprok Solutions, Michael Cremo (It’s Really Me), He-Man.org, Illumina, Natural Building Blog, I Love MASH, Ronald Reagan, Latter-day Saint, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Stop the Executive Order 13575, Conservatism, Ideal Dairy, http://www.rickparis.com, North Pole Community College, John Birch Society, Mormon.org, Across America Radio Program, Can the CONSTITUTION get more FANS than Obama?, San Francisco 49ers, Laura Ingraham, RightChange, The Ensign Magazine, Ron Paul 2016, LDS General Conference, Help Move Conservative Blogs Central Into The Top 50 Networked Blogs, The right to keep and bear arms, Support The Children of Fallen Soldiers, Government Gone Wild!, George Orwell, Soren Innovations, South Sevier High School, Boyd K. Packer, I Support Boyd K. Packer, Nike Football, Take action against the BBC’s anti-English racism, AlinskyDefeater, Campus Liberty Alliance, Elsinore, Utah, Coast to Coast AM, Save WikiLeaks, Top Secret America, Its A Matter Of Opinion, If this flag offends you, you don’t belong here!, General Conference Freedom Books, Larsen’s Ace Hardware, My Blogger Plugins, Nan Madol, Sevier County Commissioner’s Art Show, Mind-Numbed Robot, Stop Kagan, USO, Next Halloween Obama should be something cool…like…a REAL president!, Obamaton, ‘Lil TeaBagger, United Israel Peace, Tenth Amendment Center, Disqus, Marysvale Utah, Walter Payton, Audit the Fed, Rod, Tea Party Bracelets, Ten Buck Fridays, CyberDissidents.org, Reese’s, Judge Andrew Napolitano, CTR

  176. tsam said,

    January 22, 2014 at 2:13

    Note that he’s a 49ers fan. IDIOT

  177. Ricardo Montalban said,

    January 22, 2014 at 2:34

    Cordoba!

  178. Smut Clyde said,

    January 22, 2014 at 2:43

    From the Facehugger page of Trestin Meacham:
    Give the man credit for honesty. Unlike the majority of Dominationists, he is at least explicit about wanting to live under Sharia law and preferring Islamic countries to the US.

  179. Smut Clyde said,

    January 22, 2014 at 2:45

    I am capable of tech-to-English translation and vice-versa

    “Speaker-to-Techies” probably sounds better in Kzin.

  180. CRA said,

    January 22, 2014 at 3:18

    “I’m seriously considering moving to Russia in a few years. They have far more economic freedom. And are the only developed nation that actually promotes and fights for traditional values. America has become one of the most oppressive countries on earth. [etc.]“–Trestin Meacham

    Read the whole thing (linked above). He’s 35 fucking years old, BTW. Of course, he’s lucky to have spent those years here, in America. We allowed him to blossom, and if he stays, he might remain safe from the consequences of his willful foolishness. If he goes to Russia, or the Middle East (we know he won’t), he’d be fleeced (or worse) in very short order. I’m kinda surprised an American grifter hasn’t taken the shirt off his back yet. I wonder if he’ll reach retirement age without making some cripplingly stupid decision based on misinformation and ideology. If not, he’ll know who to blame.

    But he’ll probably be fine. Maybe he’ll flourish. America is a great country in that respect. This stupid white guy will be OK and he’ll squawk the whole time. More economic freedom in Russia, LOL …

  181. tigris said,

    January 22, 2014 at 3:26

    America has become one of the most oppressive countries on earth.

    I hope he gains perspective without having to actually experience oppression.

  182. Major Kong said,

    January 22, 2014 at 4:14

    I’m seriously considering moving to Russia in a few years.

    Buh bye!

  183. Sgt. Schultz said,

    January 22, 2014 at 4:21

    I see nothing!

  184. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 22, 2014 at 17:26

    In today’s sex predator pastor news, http://www.gastongazette.com/spotlight/pastor-gets-25-years-for-molesting-haitian-girls-on-mission-trip-1.257664

  185. The Dark God of Time, AKA DA® said,

    January 22, 2014 at 17:42

    He’ll spend the rest of his life behind bars.

    Perhaps he can start a prison ministry while inside to lead other to de Lawrd as a way of keeping the general population from casing lots to decide who gets to kick his ass first when they find out what he’s in the slammer for.

  186. bbkf said,

    January 22, 2014 at 18:15

    Following his prison term, Bollinger will live under court supervision and have to register as a sex offender. He will also have to pay restitution to the victims. That amount will be determined within 90 days.

    huh…they’re pretty optimistic considering he’ll be 93 when he gets out…IF he gets out…i hope he has to start paying that restitution right away…

  187. bbkf said,

    January 22, 2014 at 18:39

    Nonsense. Best show ever is Hellfjord.

    it sounds delightful! do you know if it is netflix streamable? i can’t get into netflix because i forgot hubbkf’s password…

  188. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 22, 2014 at 19:10

    Pretty sure it’s not on netflix in north America.

  189. bbkf said,

    January 22, 2014 at 19:31

    Pretty sure it’s not on netflix in north America.

    well that is just stupid…from a google search it appears to be available on dvd through teh netflix…

    while i have you here, i finished season 4 of downton…

  190. mos def panel said,

    January 22, 2014 at 21:16

    Where is HTML Mencken? I miss him, love the Cerb love the provider_UNE, but where is Retardo?

  191. bbkf said,

    January 22, 2014 at 22:18

    but where is Retardo?

    really?

  192. Helmut Monotreme said,

    January 22, 2014 at 23:14

    Turns out that like Sheldon Cooper, mapping network drives and restarting computers is the ONLY thing in life these fucking pricks can handle. Oh, and epic neck beards.

    Hey! some of us occasional neckbeard-sporting, network-drive-mapping computer-restarters have a little sense of perspective. Its guys like that in my field that make the other 5% of us look bad.

  193. The Temporary Name said,

    January 22, 2014 at 23:26

    really?

    http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4849.html

  194. The Dark God of Time, AKA DA® said,

    January 22, 2014 at 23:29

    You never go full Retardo.

  195. bbkf said,

    January 22, 2014 at 23:33

    http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4849.html

    yeah…still not funny…

  196. bbkf said,

    January 22, 2014 at 23:51

    soooo not minnesota nice…

  197. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 23, 2014 at 0:22

    A book about no PENIS.

  198. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 23, 2014 at 0:40

    <a href="http://science.time.com/2014/01/22/the-mystery-of-sloth-poop-one-more-reason-to-love-science/&quot; TITLE="And the moths themselves, which Pauli says are little more than 'flying genitals' by the time they reach maturityPOOP.

  199. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 23, 2014 at 0:40

    FYWP!

  200. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 23, 2014 at 0:42

    Without the mouseover text:
    POOP.

  201. bbkf said,

    January 23, 2014 at 0:54

    yow…the polar vortex just ripped my face off…friday our high temp is going to be near 40 above…wtf, winter?!

  202. CRA said,

    January 23, 2014 at 0:59

    http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4849.html

    Wow, I’m surprised there was so much support for maintaining the nym Retardo Montalban … I figure most of the goodwill owes to their liking its user, but geez, it wasn’t nearly funny enough to make up for its flaw.

  203. VCarlson said,

    January 23, 2014 at 1:13

    A book about no PENIS.

    While I feel kind of sorry for the guy (not being “normal” is a tough row to hoe), I think he has a few other problems. Really? Sex isn’t possible without a penis? Has he no tongue, no fingers, no imagination, no dildo? And he’s kind of implying that wimminz can’t have sex, though I don’t think he means to.

  204. Major Kong said,

    January 23, 2014 at 1:44

    yow…the polar vortex just ripped my face off

    It was -16C/3F when we got into Indianapolis this morning.

  205. bbkf said,

    January 23, 2014 at 1:44

    VCarlson said,

    January 23, 2014 at 1:13

    i thought the same thing! holy crap, man…use your imagination!

    CRA said,

    January 23, 2014 at 0:59

    i didn’t get very far in the comments…but yeah, wth people?

  206. VCarlson said,

    January 23, 2014 at 3:08

    i didn’t get very far in the comments…but yeah, wth people?

    I didn’t, either, but remember it was 7 years ago. I’ve learned a lot about what could be hurtful to others – the intertoobz have been an educational experience for me. I don’t think I’m alone.

  207. bbkf said,

    January 23, 2014 at 3:18

    I didn’t, either, but remember it was 7 years ago. I’ve learned a lot about what could be hurtful to others – the intertoobz have been an educational experience for me. I don’t think I’m alone.

    vcarlson has a good point…

    totes ot: hubbkf is watching a nature show about the coywolf…baby wolves are soooo adorable! why has walt disney not made a cartoon yet? wth, walt?

  208. bbkf said,

    January 23, 2014 at 3:20

    OH, BIG SURPRISE…THE COYWOLF IS CANADIAN…WTF, CANADA?

  209. CRA said,

    January 23, 2014 at 3:23

    You’re right, VCarlson. Lord knows I learned a thing or two 2007-13 about not being such a dick. I’ve even grown up a bit, which is scandalous in that I’m 42, but I suppose it’s never too late.

    This 2007 comment was puzzling:

    “… don’t let the bastards grind you down. You’re letting them in your head. [...] Don’t change your name. Fuck them. You seriously expect to ever win any argument with a troll, especially a fucktard dipshit dumbass right wing conservative Republican tongue up Bush’s ass …” etc. at length.

    So he should have kept calling himself that forever, because reasons.

    In any case, I should move on to more timely issues, hehe.

  210. Cerberus said,

    January 23, 2014 at 5:23

    Happy New Post Day everybody!

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