If Our Genitals Are Public Property, Can We Take the Conservative Option and Put Them Up For Auction?
Public property, more like pubic property, amirite? #yesiam10yearsold
Tim Graham, News Bluster:
Katie Couric Upsets the “Trans Women” By Asking Those Uncomfortable Questions
Fine. Fuck it.
Dick. Trouser Titan. AC/DC’s Big Balls. Wang. One Eyed Snake Monster. Cock.
Bring up the subject of transwomen to most people on the planet and you can struggle to count the nanoseconds before people start wanting to wax poetic on ding-dongs and schlongs. Which isn’t to say that transmen get it any easier. Most general public discussion of transmen inevitably devolves to an endless round of snatch talk and muff elocution.
All. The. Fucking. Time. And one starts to wonder after awhile if there’s something desperately wrong with cisgendered people to cause them to become more obsessed with the exact state of trans people’s genitals than a family dog with their own butthole.
Overall, it is the thing that people think of when they think trans people and unfortunately like most “one things” that privileged people know about a minority community, it tends to become the sole vector of discourse and interaction. I’ve had random dudes on the street inquire about the state of my genitals simply that’s the only commonly understood point of understanding for too many people.
And it comes with a number of downsides. Obsession about my genitals and the state of them was used as an excuse for my dad to dismiss and look down upon my existence. And I guaran-fucking-tee that the association of trans* people with genitals and then the following attempt to associate that with me being a teacher was a driving force of the justification for discriminating me out of a decent job I loved.
And that being the only thing people associate with trans* people is what leads clueless, but well-meaning, people like Katie Couric to think that it’s required for a trans* person to talk about their junk on national TV on a daytime meaningless talk show.*
Which is why it was something remarkable and downright badass to have human awesome machine, Laverne Cox, actually get right down to the reality of what being trans* in America means instead of playing into the same old dance of letting the trans* experience begin and end with one damn procedure that a good number of trans* people do not even get.
Needless to say, conservatives lost their damn fool minds over this.
Shorter (or the last port before Jungle):
- So-called trannies want to pretend that they are more than their genitals. But we must scrutinize every inch of their wing-wongs or vayjayjays in order to best know how to criticize them as the sex-obsessed freaks they are.
Please join me next week for my weekly article on how liberals are sex-obsessed crude assholes.
I’d say it’d be difficult for conservatives not to know irony, but then I remembered that people tend to be anonymous in truck stop restrooms.
Katie Couric’s upsetting the leftists again.
I wonder if conservatives ever get whiplash from how quickly they have to change their views on various figures based on whatever story is in the news. Grr. Russia is out-of-control and trying to restart the Cold War for protecting Edward Snownden. Oh, wait, Russia is the greatest country in the world for hating gay people. Katie Couric is double Hitler for daring to ask standard interview fluff questions of Sister Sarah the Immaculate! Katie Couric is our beloved conservative martyr because she was mildly criticized for not doing a good job respecting Carmen Carrera’s and Laverne Cox’s boundaries.
It makes me want to flash between viewpoints really fast just to see if it’ll cause a couple of heads to explode.
The “girl-on-girl culture site” Autostraddle
Oh hey, lesbian culture blog Autostraddle got a shout out. Awesome!
was unhappy that she had to ask the inevitable “genitals” questions
Oh right, this dickwaffle. Yes, the genital question is apparently inevitable, like the heat death of the universe or a statement of mind-boggling stupidity in a conversation with a conservative. The very ebb and flow of the cosmos is inexorably bound to this inherent reality, as much as the Laws of Thermodynamics.
The “question” simply must be. For how can one know how to interact with a trans* person if their genital configuration were unclear? It’s just madness.
But yeah, it’s not even that trans* people are unwilling in appropriate venues to talk about this shit. You ask as a friend or need some education dropped on you, yeah, I’ll let that shit fly. Hell, my dating profile puts it up top right next to my asexuality so that no one can claim they were caught unawares.
No, it’s more the everpresent fixation and the assumption that it is every single person’s inherent duty to find out the exact state of every trans* person they meet’s junk.
I mean, let’s be honest. If these were ciswomen? There is no way in hell Katie Couric would be asking them about their vaginas or the state of their vulvas. And if either Carmen Carrera or Laverne Cox had decided to respond to her question with an equal question of their own, say, asking Katie Couric about the heaviness of her flows or what exactly she uses during menstruation or what her vulva looks like, then they would have been soundly criticized for being grossly inappropriate and right-wingers would have been crowing for weeks about how they were right that trans* people were disgusting perverts.
But trans* people are expected to always be on, every day, to answer the “question”. And then, to be judged on how they handle the question or to put up with more entitled bullshit about junk and eventual surgeries simply because that’s the only conversation privileged cispeople are willing to have with trans* people at the moment.
And that’s kind of super disappointing. I mean, not only are trans* people way more interesting than something that only affects them and their sexual partners at best, but cispeople deserve more than to be sidetracked by an immature and puerile discussion simply because they think they are obligated to ask.
when she had on two men on her talk show Monday who dress like women (“trans women”)
Cool story, cis.
model Carmen Carrera and actor Laverne Cox. As might be expected, Couric promotionally titled the segment “Transgender Trailblazers.”
We assume that just saying this will be enough to send our inbred fanbase into seal cries of outrage and laughter, because heh, because we are assuming that trans* people aren’t real humans, but rather evil space aliens set on destroying church and family.
Heh, silly trans* people.
“The real trouble started when Couric started to ask Ms. Carrera if transitioning was painful because of all the surgery that she had to go through. Carmen looked a little confused and responded by talking a little about her nose job and breast augmentation
Yeeaaah. That’s sort of another big problem with “the surgery question” as it were. Hell, leaving aside all issues of minimization and assuming a random tyranny of genitals, there’s the simple fact that there isn’t just one surgery that trans* people can get, if they even get surgeries at all.
I mean, sure, Katie Couric probably knew that she meant vaginoplasty (a surgery where a penis is inverted and formed into a vulva and vagina), but there is also orchiectomy (which can be a surgery to remove the balls which is popular because most fucking states require some form of surgery before they allow trans* people to change their legal name and sex). Also tracheal shaves (some transwomen get these if they have prominent Adam’s Apples causing them distress), vocal chord surgeries, or even facial feminization surgeries. And it gets even more messy for transmen. The far most common surgery there is usually bilateral mastectomy (the removal of breast tissue), followed by maybe an hysterectomy (the removal of the uterus), but “the surgery question” usually fixates on phalloplasty (construction of a penis), even though that’s usually very uncommon because it currently kind of sucks.
Which brings up some other things that are lost in the whole calvacade of the question.
1) Trans* people aren’t just transsexuals seeking medical transition. There are a good number of trans* people who don’t identify as specifically male or female or even exclusively male or female. There are another strong group of trans* people who don’t seek any specifically medical transition because they feel their gender dysphoria (feeling their body and public appearance doesn’t match the internal reality of their gender) is resolved easily enough by adopting a style of dress or just enforcing pronouns with friends, family, and local community.
2) Hey whatever, let’s just assume it’s a parallel universe where every single trans person is seeking specifically medical transition and not just because most gatekeeper organizations require such to “prove one is serious” enough to change legal sex. Cool, fine. Even then, yeeeeeaaaaahhhh, surgery ain’t the most important event in a transitioning person’s life. I mean, leaving aside that whole having a life outside of just being trans* thing aside, surgery just isn’t that central to the whole transition process, the process by which people who are medically transition, actually do so.
For some people it can be a capstone, it can be something one scrimps and saves for. And certainly in all our media it is presented as the part where you “finish” and now will forever disappear into the background as just a regular cis person who will never be targeted for murder, discrimination, or harassment again. Hell, it can even be an important thing, but it’s not usually central.
And hell, we’ll even go another step further and erase far more impactful moments of transitioning like coming out, the moment you realize that you are trans*, the first time you go out in public dressed as yourself, or the first time a loved one or a stranger refers to you by your correct pronoun (feels like fucking magic, that does) and focus once more on just medical events.
And even under that narrow fucking focus, it ain’t the surgery that’s impactful. Not compared to hormones.
Cause, see, the focus on surgery maintains the illusion that being trans* is an illusion, a fiction by delusional little people who need complicated “tricks” in order to ape the totally unique and unlike each other body of the “opposite” sex.
But the dirty little secret of medical transition. The part that makes conservatives shiver in their holes at the thought of trans* people being treated like people, is that transition is just puberty.
Sure, it’s a belated puberty for a lot of people. A puberty that needs to be undergone because nature was cruel and forced the body through a puberty not meant for it, but a puberty nonetheless.
A change in the body as one grows up into an adult of their proper sex. And leaving aside the other aspects of puberty, the random pink phases or butch phases where car pajamas were the coolest things or trying to dress adult and then learning to tone it down, and focusing on just the medical and biological aspects of it.
Hormones are king. Hormones take one so far, even after spending so many damn years in a body pumping out the wrong damn hormones and growing the wrong damn body, it is fucking magical. And there are plenty of trans* people who started out following the media pieces on how they needed a million surgeries, finding out that a few years on hormones made those questions almost moot or certainly much less pressing.
And that’s all before the human consideration. Before we talk about anything else. And it’s a big reason why having random idiots on TV thinking the trans* experience begins and ends with creating the “opposite” sex organs and more importantly thinking it’s appropriate to grill their trans* guests on this issue on national television as if it was a Masturbate-a-thon (P.S. Don’t grill a trans* person about their junk at a Masturbate-a-thon, it will not end well for you).
and that’s when Katie pounced,” the author “Mey” complained. “She immediately asked if Carmen’s “private parts” are “different now” and if she’s had that surgery yet.” Carmen Carrera responded perfectly. First she literally shushed Katie Couric, trying to get her to stop asking such a private thing. Then she told her “I don’t want to talk about it, it’s really personal” and she told Katie that there’s a lot more to get than her genitals. She said, “after the transition there’s still life to live, I still have my career goals, I still have my family goals.”
In other words, no, I haven’t changed the “bottom.”
Ha ha ha ha ha! Oh man! You got ‘em. You fucking nailed those looney libs to the goddamn carpet! No, indeed. BURRRRNNN!
Oh by the way, do you still have that micropenis? Yeah, I thought so.
Also, dude. Put down the scare quotes and drink yourself some damn water. You’re going to end up getting scare quote poisoning if you keep on downing them at that rate.
Cox, of the Netflix prison “dark comedy” series “Orange Is the New Black,” said she doesn’t see herself as a “role model,” she prefers the term “possibility model.” It’s possible to pretend to be a woman and use a urinal.
Ohhhhhhh! Got ‘em again! You know how to skewer those “kerrazzzy” leftists!
I mean, let’s not focus on the point Laverne Cox tried to make with using “possibility model” as an alternative to “role model”, noting that it feels hubristic to claim that people should follow her exactly as if she was a one-size-fit-all for the trans* experience rather than just an example of one possible trans* person who is out there in a public space. That might make one think as well as dismantle arguments from authority by bigots like us.
Better to just pull out some bizarre genital focus as if it was a weapon designed to silence.
Which, yeah, is kinda the other big elephant in the room about “the question” and obsessions about whether trans people have or have not had bottom surgery and general comments about trans* people genitals.
Not only is it a sad attempt to assume a primacy of genitals that frankly ignores the fact that A) genitals don’t designate gender 100% even if we were to take all the trans* people and shoot them on a rocket ship off to the moon and B) the disturbing implications raised by trying to pretend that sex organs are inherent parts of being a man or a woman.
I mean, if a ciswoman gets ovarian cancer and needs to get her uterus removed, is she suddenly a man in the eyes of these numbnuts? How about a dude with testicular cancer or hell, even just a dude who gets his tubes tied? Are they to be designated women just so there can be some iron line in the sand against trans* people?
But beyond all that, it’s just a perfect demonstration of the fact that conservatives don’t understand comedy or snark or deconstructions of argument.
All they understand is bullying and using privilege as a cudgel against an underclass until the backlash against such casual cruelty grows so loud they have to start whining about how their victims are now the bullies and they’re the ones under attack.
I mean, fuck, he seems downright gleeful about bringing this up. And he specifically hopes this will wound his target and by association all those like her. And he knows this has the potential to wound simply because the reality of gender dysphoria means that trans* people tend to have complex if not negative reactions to secondary and primary sex characteristics that cause people to doubt or undermine the reality of their gender.
He hopes that fixating on whether or not a woman has a cock will cause shame and self-loathing in all women who have cocks.
And he wants that reaction because it’s the only way he can feel like he is a better person simply for having lucked out into a simple puberty that fit his actual gender.
And that’s actually fucking fascinating from a psychological perspective and really does get to the heart of what drives conservatives and why they suck so damn bad as people.
Couric kept turning the subject back to the bulge issue:
Unfortunately, that’s when Katie got back on the surgery track. Couric explained that she just wants to be educated and that a lot of people are curious because they’re “not familiar with transgenders.” She told Cox that Carrera had “recoiled” when asked about surgery and said that cis people are preoccupied with “the genitalia question.”
Hell, fuck it, you can watch the videos yourself. Being random morning show fluff, it only takes about 10 minutes total.
As you can see, Katie Couric asked about a guest’s junk on national TV, Carmen Carrera dodged it, because, y’know morning show and then Katie Couric decided in a separate interview with her second guest to try and passively-aggressively shame her for not answering her super important question about weiners (because apparently America needs to know before all of America is going to bed with her tonight or something) and poor Carmen Carrera is just left kind of stunned at the sheer display of aggressive privilege.
Hell, if it wasn’t for this bit, I doubt it would have made the rounds much at all. Sadly, trans* people are expected to answer mostly questions about surgery and the state of one’s junk and it’s just seen as routine. But when Couric upped that usual presumptiveness and assumed that denying her an answer was a slight and that it was therefore justified to demand backup from a second trans guest in confirming that it is “rude” for a trans* person to not talk about their junk on national TV.
Because apparently, that’s how any of that works.
Remove that bit of aggressive douchebaggery or maybe Laverne Cox’s epic smackdown and this isn’t a story and the overpaid hacks at Wannabe Drudge have to find something else to be smug about.
Couric wondered if Cox felt the same way about that question and about cis people’s attitudes towards trans women.
As soon as Cox started telling her that, yes, she keeps her private parts private and that cis people do have an obsession with trans women’s genitalia, she really started picking up steam. Cox said that the preoccupation with genitalia and transition objectifies trans women and distracts us from the real issues.
You do realize, said Drudge Wannabe hack, that your attempt to cut off a trans* person’s legitimate point with examples of the rate of murder of trans* people (especially trans women of color) and other forms of discrimination, so as to make them look silly, doesn’t really work all that fucking well when you then follow it up with a video of the entire conversation.
Talk about your bigotry fails.
Couric wasn’t exactly hitting hard from a conservative direction:
COURIC; All of us want to be educated, and Carmen recoiled a little bit about when I asked about her transition and she said that people who are not educated or familiar with transgender, they’re preoccupied with the genitalia question, and I’m wondering if you think that’s true, and if you have the same feelings about that that Carmen does.
COX: I do, and [to Carrera] I was really proud of you for saying that. I do feel there is a preoccupation with that. The preoccupation with transition and surgery objectifies trans people. And then we don’t get to really deal with the real lived experiences. The reality of trans people’s lives is that so often we’re targets of violence. We experience discrimination disproportionately to the rest of the community. Our unemployment rate is twice the national average; if you are a trans person of color, it’s four times the national average. The homicide rate in the LGBT community is highest among trans women. If we focus on transition, we don’t actually get to talk about those things.
Or yeah, if you straight up quote the section with legitimate points…
Fuck, man, that was so much of an own-goal, that it was practically the climactic shot in a sports movie in reverse.
“Mey,” the author at Autostraddle, concluded Couric and others shouldn’t ask “transitioning” men “inappropriate questions about their bodies.
Maybe if we keep calling them men, then they will go away and stop disproving our narrow and ignorant beliefs of a vast separation between men and women. And then maybe we won’t have to go through the same arc in 20-40 years where our favorite dismissed group of bullying targets turns out to be recognized as people deserving of equal protection under the law (i.e. are the real bullies, oh my god, why are they so mean).
I’m extremely tired of every story about trans women focusing on their transition, so when both Carrera and Cox spoke out against that line of questioning, I was cheering at my TV. Hopefully, as more and more resources are available, people won’t feel so comfortable asking strangers about what surgeries they’ve had and what their genitals look like. Trans people are more than just our bodies, and these two women showed that in the absolute best way possible.”
Did I mention that Autostraddle is awesome. Cause, yes. Yes, to all of that quoted section.
And yeah, as always, avoid the tigers in the comment section unless you like to see ignorant people fist deep in an elephant trying to talk about what they notice about its trunk.
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. Factory presets or floor model, who knows, who cares? We are aware of all Internet traditions.™
*By the way, thanks to the reader who emailed me a link to the article cited. You made my day.
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The Great Race Hoax
- Obama secretly hid his blackity blackness from us during the elections! I demand a mulligan!