Jan
16

Silly Hippy. Regulations Are For People, Not For Companies!




Posted at 0:03 by Tintin

neil_stevens
ABOVE: Neil Stevens (not Photoshopped)

Shorter Neil Stevens, Red State Trike Force:
A word on the politicization of Aaron Swartz’s death.

  • As a conservative who favors limited government, I don’t see the big deal in trying to put someone in jail for 35 years for illegally downloading copyrighted material.

I suppose it’s not terribly surprising that America’s dumbest ugliest dumbest ugliest dumbest and ugliest tech blogger, the redoubtable Neil Stevens at RedFace, would chime in on the Aaron Schwartz suicide with a post that could also be shortered as “Bleh. Dirty fucking hippy deserved what he got.” But even I was more than a little astonished that he would do so in a post where he also said:” I favor light regulation all around!” Except, of course, for DFHs, I guess.


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253 Comments »

  1. bughunter said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:05

    OMG. Frosty Post!

  2. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:09

    Regulation for thee but not for me.

  3. DAS said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:13

    I had a student who had that affect once: he was an ex-coke-head who sexually harassed another student.

  4. bughunter said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:24

    So these are the kind of fanatics whose positions are one side of a sane and rational debate over gun policy?

    The opinions of people like this need to be ridiculed, not compromised with.

  5. tigris said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:28

    He also chose to commit crimes to push his agenda. Nobody denies he did it. They only deny that he should have been prosecuted.

    No, lots of people deny he committed crimes. He didn’t hack in and steal stuff and he didn’t violate anyone’s copyright, he used an open network to JSTOR’s terms of use by downloading too much too fast, which they, the supposed victim, refused to prosecute.

  6. tigris said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:29

    to violate JSTOR’s etc.

  7. eataTREE said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:31

    Oooh! I bet I can make myself ridiculously popular by expressing my opinions about this.

    1. The prosecutors are saying that they were, at the time of his death, offering him a plea deal for six months. Prosecutors are, by and large, incredible assholes, and no doubt threatened him with being locked up forever, but that doesn’t mean it was actually going to happen. Realistically, he was looking at a very short sentence.

    2. He broke-a da rules. The charges in question stem from his having snuck into an MIT network closet to plug in his own server with a script to download everything in JSTOR’s database. We can talk about the relative harmlessness of the purposes for which this was done all you like, but nevertheless, this was unauthorized access (which is a violation of the Computer Unauthorized Access Act, etc, and so on…)

    3. The thing about civil disobedience is, it involves accepting the penalties for your actions, even and especially if they are unjust and disproportionate. There are all sorts of ways that he could have made his point that wouldn’t have resulted in his falling afoul of one of the more Draconian segments of the Federal code. More subversively, there are all sorts of ways he could have pulled the same stunt without being caught. Instead, he seemed to think that everyone would agree that the letter of the law ought not to apply to him because he was so very wonderful.

    4. As my mother so wisely pointed out, the reasons why a person commit suicide are very likely more personal and to do with their own private pathology than they are to do with the obvious external factor(s). It cannot be said enough times that prosecutors are assholes, but they did not “cause” Aaron Schwartz to commit suicide, he did that himself.

  8. bughunter said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:37

    Tintin, people like Stevens are just the equivalent of 5 year olds repeating what they heard an adult say. It’s becoming a spreading meme in conservative circles, and reported with ardent seriousness by beltway VSPs, that it’s unfair to punish corporations for misdeeds because OMG it amounts to “collective punishment,” you can’t punish the entire corporation for some bad decisions made by a few.

    And they’re allowed to get away with saying this by the stenographers that make up our media, including supposedly liberal outlets like NPR and PBS.

    The problem is, that would be only be true if a corporation wasn’t 1) a single legal entity now endowed with rights reserved for people, and 2) a collective created expressly for shielding individuals from liability.

    Corporate libertarians are creating a system of circular arguments to evade any liability for being total fucking sociopaths…

  9. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:38

    I swear, that guy played one of the aliens in Galaxy Quest.
    .

  10. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:44

    Admittedly, I am a chickenshit.
    .

  11. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 16, 2013 at 0:51

    eataTREE said,

    So what?

  12. Fenwick said,

    January 16, 2013 at 1:16

    From last thread: Many thanks to DKW for finding the actual ground plan of the Citadel…and for calculating the population density…and for acid skewering of the whole concept.

    Also Many thanks to the Sadlies who thereafter riffed on DKW’s hook. I have seldom laughed so hard. I so wish I had been around for the last part of the thread; I vastly enjoyed reading it!

    Now I’ll toddle off to read Tintin and ketchup the thread.

  13. Major Kong said,

    January 16, 2013 at 1:16

    Admittedly, I am a chickenshit.

    Discretion better part of valor, etc. etc.

    I hit black ice in my XJ12 years ago. As it fishtailed all over the highway I remember thinking “I can only imagine how much bodywork costs on one of these things…..”

  14. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 16, 2013 at 1:17

    If you need to use the suicide of a criminal in order to advance your policy goals like a vulture, your policy goals probably don’t have much going for them.

    I now call out Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

  15. gocart mozart said,

    January 16, 2013 at 1:37

    “I now call out Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.”

    Game. Set. Match.

  16. Fenwick said,

    January 16, 2013 at 2:01

    I hit black ice in my XJ12 years ago.

    It is so fucking dangerous, perhaps the worst peril on the road. The Mayor recently lost a friend who lost control on black ice and struck a semi.
    —————-

    bughunter nails the sheer hypocrisy of corporate ‘personhood’ (in 0:37)

    ————–
    the reasons why a person commit suicide are very likely more personal and to do with their own private pathology than they are to do with the obvious external factor(s).

    I completely agree
    with eataTREE .

    I’m a poet.
    I know it.
    My feet show it.
    They’re longfellows.

    (apologies to Bob Dylan)

  17. A vulture said,

    January 16, 2013 at 2:06

    In fact I very seldom use the suicide of criminals to advance my policy goals (let alone the suicide of innocent-until-convicted individuals).

  18. Cole said,

    January 16, 2013 at 2:13

    Substance McGravitas, you ARE the cat’s meow

  19. Major Kong said,

    January 16, 2013 at 2:15

    It is so fucking dangerous, perhaps the worst peril on the road.

    I’m so looking forward to landing in Memphis during icestormpocalypse later tonight.

    I think it’s my leg, too. Oh bother.

  20. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 16, 2013 at 2:19

    I’m so looking forward to landing in Memphis during icestormpocalypse later tonight.

    That may suck, mightily.
    .

  21. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 16, 2013 at 2:24

    … and have the flight surgeon have a look at that leg before takeoff.
    .

  22. Major Kong said,

    January 16, 2013 at 2:27

    … and have the flight surgeon have a look at that leg before takeoff.

    If it was an Air Force flight surgeon he would prescribe Afrin and Sudafed. That was the Air Force medical equivalent of chicken soup.

  23. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 16, 2013 at 2:42

    If it was an Air Force flight surgeon he would prescribe Afrin and Sudafed.

    For a bothered leg? Absorbine Jr., I was thinking.
    .

  24. bughunter said,

    January 16, 2013 at 2:43

    Ooooh. The attention whore must be feeling ignored.

    Shorter Ann Coulter:
    ‘If You Compare White Populations,’ U.S. Has Same Murder Rate As Belgium (VIDEO)

    Niggers and spics are the reason we have so much gun violence in the US.

    Well played madame. You’re bound to get some really good jilloff hate mail for that.

  25. S. cerevisiae said,

    January 16, 2013 at 3:05

    Saw the disgusting Coulter thing earlier around the interwebs and the shorter is dead-on (so to speak).

  26. Major Kong said,

    January 16, 2013 at 3:09

    Saw the disgusting Coulter thing

    Wow. She actually went there. I guess they’re through with dog whistles.

  27. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,

    January 16, 2013 at 3:12

    T.O.S. violations? Book ‘em for felony!

    Banksters bringing down the economy? FREE PASSES!

    This is justice in America.

    As a foreigner, I’m surprised that Americans aren’t more alarmed by the workings of their criminal justice system. I don’t know what ought to scare me more about living in the United States–that I might be the victim of a crime (which happens), or that this ferocious prosecutorial system might one day turn its wrath on me. I’d rather be mugged than threatened with years in jail for something I didn’t even know was a crime. Is this justice system actually on my side? I’m by no means sure–an astounding state of affairs.

    ~

  28. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 3:32

    We are alarmed.

    Oh, wait no — I thought you said “armed” — never mind.

  29. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 16, 2013 at 3:55

    OT – LEAFS SUCK Council spent today debating Rob Ford’s budget. In a surprise twist, he voted in favour of a motion to change his own proposed property tax rate. Dude voted against his own budget. Was on the losing side of that vote 40-4.

    They called it a night about an hour ago and will finish up tomorrow. So glad Rob got his stay from being turfed out of office. He has such important work to do, voting against his own proposals.

  30. wiley said,

    January 16, 2013 at 4:19

    Black ice bad. While shifting to second gear, I hit a patch of black ice (while essentially in neutral), went sliding across the other lanes, a bicycle path, through a cedar fence, and stopped inches shy of a swingset. Fortunately, I got a talented doc at the base hospital who fixed my eyelid with one running stitch. It doesn’t show at all.

    Car accidents bad.

    Scooter accidents worse. Play it safe, Jeffraham.

  31. Hoosier X said,

    January 16, 2013 at 5:01

    I came over to see if we were talking about Jonah Goldberg’s latest contribution to the national debate.

    It’s titled “Time to grow up, GOP” and here are some choice quotes:

    The movement has an unhealthy share of hucksters eager to make money from stirring rage, paranoia and an ill-defined sense of betrayal with little concern for the real political success that can only come with persuading the unconverted.

    and also

    A conservative journalist or activist can make a decent living while never once bothering to persuade a liberal.

    It reminded me of those long-ago halcyon days when we mocked him for “Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning.” And sentences like: “The white male is the Jew of liberal fascism.”

    With incisive statements like that, does Goldberg think he persuaded any of the unconverted, liberal or otherwise? Anybody here ever been persuaded by anything Jonah Goldberg ever wrote?

  32. boconn13 said,

    January 16, 2013 at 5:11

    Sure! I have been persuaded that Joberg doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

  33. Fenwick said,

    January 16, 2013 at 6:00

    I’m so looking forward to landing in Memphis during icestormpocalypse later tonight.

    I hope they do good runway prep. Also no wind, no precip, and good visibility. Let us know when you’ve landed.

    Also, an XJ12, huh? Description and stories please. (If it was a convertable, my envy glands may esplode….)

  34. Gary Ruppert said,

    January 16, 2013 at 6:02

    The fact is, faggots. Also, we can’t afford any more goverment, we need to shirk it to nothing and bring freedom back

  35. Fenwick said,

    January 16, 2013 at 6:20

    Nope, I was not the faux Gary above. I admire the restraint, limited to a single, tightly-targeted Miss Pelling. (That previous sentence is racy, huh? Or would ‘saucy’ be a better word choice?)

    I’ve enjoyed the faux Gary posts in the last several thread. Excellent work by the person or people responsible. We may be on the verge of establishing a new art form, rather like haiku or limericks.

  36. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,

    January 16, 2013 at 6:33

    Old original fake Gary was better, he curmudgeoned.
    ~

  37. St. Trotsky, Pope-in-Avignon said,

    January 16, 2013 at 6:45

    Gary’s always seemed like he’s lost something, being decreased piece by piece to just “the fact is, slur”. I remember ages back when he seemed to actually troll the audience, when his conversation may have included a fact is here and there, but still had a structure that could be argued at.

    I mean, I still haven’t killfiled the name, despite his reduction to just broad antagonism, because it’s just mildly ridiculous compared to the other fake trolls who double-down on either offensive right-wing eliminationism or purity/concern trollery, but god damn does Gary get tedious when put in too frequently.

    It’s a spice, not a coating!

  38. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 16, 2013 at 8:14

    With incisive statements like that, does Goldberg think he persuaded any of the unconverted, liberal or otherwise? Anybody here ever been persuaded by anything Jonah Goldberg ever wrote?

    No, but he sure is sucking down that sweet wingnut welfare cashola, being one of those hucksters.

  39. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 16, 2013 at 8:19

    Gary’s always seemed like he’s lost something, being decreased piece by piece to just “the fact is, slur”.

    That being said, my all-time favorite Garyism was: “The fact is, fuck you.” That still cracks me up. It was so perfect, Gary should have committed seppuku after that pinnacle of trollery, never to be reached again.

  40. Alan in SF said,

    January 16, 2013 at 8:44

    Libertarians truly do believe that copyright laws enforce themselves. Like when they go Galt and create their brilliant innovative product, magical intellectual property fairies will prevent everyone else from pirating it.

  41. Gary Ruppert said,

    January 16, 2013 at 9:48

    White people with second amendment rites are the only thing protecting this nation from becoming a disarmed socialist paradise like Canada.

  42. bughunter said,

    January 16, 2013 at 9:55

    If it weren’t for all the gin, that last fake gary would have been prefaced with “The fact is…”

    confession: ruppertfail

    recommendation: Bombay Sapphire and a twist of lime on the rocks

  43. Enraged Bull Limpet said,

    January 16, 2013 at 9:59

    The fact is, the facts
    Are rarely navigable…
    All is uncharted.

  44. Major Kong said,

    January 16, 2013 at 10:06

    Made it to Memphis. Weather wasn’t too bad. If they have to de-ice all the outbound launches it’s going to be a very long night.

  45. smut clyde said,

    January 16, 2013 at 10:07

    Joberg doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground

    Helping Jonah.

  46. bughunter said,

    January 16, 2013 at 10:08

    Was watching the weather on the 11pm news and thinking about you, Major. Fair skies.

  47. bughunter said,

    January 16, 2013 at 10:10

    Anybody here ever been persuaded by anything Jonah Goldberg ever wrote?

    I’ve been persuaded that he’s a fucking tool. And it continues.

  48. Major Kong said,

    January 16, 2013 at 10:11

    Also, an XJ12, huh? Description and stories please.

    Not a convertible, you’re thinking of an XJS.

    An XJ12 was a 4-door sedan with the V12 motor. Mine was a 1995, dark red with tan leather interior. Magnificent car. Fast, great handling. I could drive it 8 hours and not be the least bit tired.

    Rear drive wasn’t very practical in Ohio during the winter. The car was every bit as troublesome as you’ve been told. Every few months the check engine light would come on. I’d take it to the dealer and write a $500 check to fix some sensor or other.

    Gas mileage was about as bad as you’d expect. 15 mpg was pretty normal.

    I traded it in on an Audi and I’ve been driving Audis ever since.

  49. bughunter said,

    January 16, 2013 at 10:26

    I hereby nominate Robert Parry for designation as an honorary Sadlynaut:

    Shorter Robert Parry
    America’s War for Reality:

    Sadly, no.

    Alternate shorter: the lunatics are ruining our nation.

  50. the prince of death said,

    January 16, 2013 at 10:32

    Oh, I’d be worried if I were Carmen Ortiz. After all Shirley Sherrod was forced to resign over less than this.

    Oh, wait, Shirley Sherrod was helping people, not hurting people…

  51. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 16, 2013 at 11:47

    Helping Jonah.

    WHOA… is there a good “Kliban” collection on the webs? The one I linked to in this post has gone the way of the dodo.

  52. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 16, 2013 at 14:19

    Scooter accidents worse. Play it safe, Jeffraham.

    Same song this morning. Looks like the “wintry mix” will end by 10:00, and temps will get to the high 30sF kinda quickly. So, I’ll be going in… just not at 8:00.
    .

  53. The Mayor of Upper Astroboffin (who is facing an unpleasant recall) said,

    January 16, 2013 at 14:56

    Shorter eataTREE,
    ‘If you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.”

    Fuck that noise.

  54. El Manquécito said,

    January 16, 2013 at 15:47

    Subby answered the TREEeater with remarkable aplomb and economy.

  55. Helmut Monotreme said,

    January 16, 2013 at 17:03

    Subby answered the TREEeater with remarkable aplomb and economy.

    Also with more tact than the post deserved.

  56. Alex said,

    January 16, 2013 at 17:42

    That’s not a photoshop. It is a publicity still from Galaxy Quest.

  57. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 16, 2013 at 18:20

    zomg – municipal budget meetings going on and all of a sudden #TOpoli has become big enough to attract bikini girl profile pic spam. Who woulda thunk it?

  58. bbkf said,

    January 16, 2013 at 18:54

    Same song this morning. Looks like the “wintry mix” will end by 10:00, and temps will get to the high 30sF kinda quickly. So, I’ll be going in… just not at 8:00.

    this morning on my drive in, it was 34 degrees…a couple of hours later it is now 27…temps are to continue falling, it is snowing also, too…we have a pretty decent week temp wise, except tonight’s expected low is -4…wtf? then over the weekend and next week, buttchillingly cold…feck…

    last weekend we had rain, freezing rain and snow plus high winds…so we have a fair amount of ice around…hopefully the temps over the next few days will get rid of a lot of it…even though i hate winter with a vengeance, i can take pretty much anything except ice…

  59. bbkf said,

    January 16, 2013 at 18:55

    oooh…we’re at 25 now!

  60. Pupienus said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:14

    I now call out Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

    Beautiful. Just beautiful.

  61. bbkf said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:16

    OT – LEAFS SUCK Council

    city politics in the town i work in would be comical if it hadn’t been so flipping detrimental to growth and stability…if one had to think of a motto for the hooterville city council over the years it would be, ‘shoot ourselves in the foot’…

    current round of dumb-assery includes working with a local county-wide, dual state arts council that wants to purchase a run-down city building, rehab it and open an arts center…it’s right on the lake shore, close to downtown…perfect location and building…it has been sitting empty for decades with only a minimum of maintenance…said group has funding and personnel to accomplish their goals…also, too if the building is not sold to some entity, the city is planning on demolishing it at a significant cost to the taxpayers…

    so, after initially telling the group, ‘we don’t think so…’, and after much public outcry, the council decided to set up a task force to ‘dialogue’ with the arts council…they were seemingly willing to sell the building and land at a nominal price if the arts group kept the demolition price in an escrow fund which would be given to the city should the arts group fail in their endeavor…then all of a sudden, ‘nope! not going to sell it to you!’ some of the council thinks it’s prime property as is obvious with the zero offers they have had on it, they are also talking about expanding the park that is adjacent to it…that they have limited funds for upkeep for as it is…

    other highlights include saying not to a vo-tech to be established here because of the prospect of kids driving around, a paper-bag manufacturing plant because of the smell, established retail chain stores because of competition…although my personal fave has to be endorsing an aquatic mushroom growing operation that was owned by some middle eastern group…

    however, the arts group has an ace up its sleeve with the newly elected mayor and assorted council members…they are hoping to re-open the issue as soon as the new council is seated…

    normally, i’d be against such games, but i am hypocrite enough to endorse it when it is something i want…

  62. Wayne Lapierre said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:30

    Peak wingnut? I think not. Let the madness begin.

  63. DAS said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:31

    city politics in the town i work in would be comical if it hadn’t been so flipping detrimental to growth and stability…if one had to think of a motto for the hooterville city council over the years it would be, ‘shoot ourselves in the foot’… – bbkf

    And yet these are the people to whom the GOP thinks more power should devolve.

  64. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:34

    In this little corner of the liberal world our city council voted in a plastic-bag ban that went into effect January 1. This means that the larger stores can’t offer disposable plastic bags at all, and can only offer paper bags if the customer pays a nickel. Stores can still offer the plastic produce and meat bags though.

    The idea is to encourage reusable bags, but still offer paper — with a tiny penalty — if you forget.

    Normal people react to this with “Meh, cool I guess, whatevs.”

    But of course there’s a core group of nuts that reacts with “GAHHHH! They’s steelin’ mah liberties! Tyranny! Conspiracy! FREEDUMB!”

    And they’re loud, so it wouldn’t surprise me if the council doesn’t end up stupidly going back on it. We’ll see.

    Read the comments on this letter-to-the-editor of the local rag to get a feel of the delightful stupidity.

  65. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:41

    Also too: the sheriff in the decidedly non-liberal county on the other side of the river from me is a shitstain.

    An excerpt:

    Mueller said neither he nor his deputies will enforce any regulation enacted by Congress or by executive order of the president that offends the constitutional rights of Linn County residents. Nor will he permit the enforcement of unconstitutional regulations or orders by federal officers with the borders of Linn County.

    “It is the position of this sheriff that I refuse to participate, or stand idly by, while my citizens are turned into criminals due to the unconstitutional actions of misguided politicians,” Mueller noted.

    I heard him on the news last night and he’s even got some weird accent that makes him sound like a bizarre half-hillbilly. Dude, you’ve lived in the northwest for decades, lose the fake goober accent already.

  66. Whale Chowder said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:46

    Normal people react to this with “Meh, cool I guess, whatevs.”

    That’s generally been the response of Seattleites to our plastic bag ban. There will always be assholes though.

    Also, someone pointed this out to me today and my zenlike calm this morning was blown to smithereens.

    Then I listened to the President’s press conference and the reaction on the local NPR station from the local rep of the 2nd Amendment Foundation and I realized that the zen was not meant to be today.

  67. Helmut Monotreme said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:47

    I realized that the zen was not meant to be today.

    Can’t find the calm in the middle of the shitstorm today?

  68. bbkf said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:50

    And yet these are the people to whom the GOP thinks more power should devolve.

    also too, they go into high hysterics when their local government aid funding gets cut…the outgoing mayor actually endorsed michele bachmann…i don’t get how state funding is okay, but federal is not…isn’t state just a smaller fed?

  69. bbkf said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:53

    The idea is to encourage reusable bags,

    is the plastic bag ban worse than the lightbulbs?

  70. Helmut Monotreme said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:54

    “It is the position of this sheriff that I refuse to participate, or stand idly by, while my citizens are turned into criminals due to the unconstitutional actions of misguided politicians,” Mueller noted.

    Weird. I’ve never heard of this guy before. Odd that with that stance he’s been so quiet on the issues of the drug war, the outrageous penalties endorsed by the RIAA and MPAA on grounds of alleged copyright infringement, and the offenses of the war on terror including but not limited to: illegal surveillance, incarceration (including torture) and execution or assassination of so called terrorists on secret evidence.

  71. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 19:56

    Also, someone pointed this out to me today and my zenlike calm this morning was blown to smithereens.

    Wow, yeah. Good job WaPo! Way to stay in tune with “the people.”

  72. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:05

    Weird. I’ve never heard of this guy before. Odd that with that stance he’s been so quiet on the issues of the drug war, the outrageous penalties endorsed by the RIAA and MPAA on grounds of alleged copyright infringement, and the offenses of the war on terror including but not limited to: illegal surveillance, incarceration (including torture) and execution or assassination of so called terrorists on secret evidence.

    There’s absolutely no reason to have heard of him.

    The very-non-liberal Linn county has a massive problem with drugs. You’d think the “drug war” and the corresponding violence would be of more concern to him. Maybe he’s just super fair minded and wants all those meth labs to have a good sporting chance at defense when he his disposable minions storm them.

  73. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:07

    is the plastic bag ban worse than the lightbulbs?

    Worse than lightbulb bans and zombie Hitler, combined!

  74. Fenwick said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:08

    Two potential band names from OBS’s comment:

    Corresponding Violence
    Disposable Minions

  75. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:22

    How many zombie Hitlers does it take to unscrew your light-bulbs?

  76. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:29

    LEAFS SUCK had a plastic bag ban that was scheduled to take effect Jan.1st. Council scrapped it.

    Budget votes are complete – hopefully #TOpoli can return to the boring spam free existence it had before.

  77. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:31

    Two potential band names from OBS’s comment:

    Massive Problem (with Drugs)
    Super Fair Minded

  78. Thread Bear said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:40

    I prefer:

    Super Fair (with Drugs)
    Massive Problem Minded

  79. Interrobang said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:43

    I must admit, DKW, I’m getting some chuckles out of what’s going on in LEAFS DON’T SUCK THAT MUCH these days. Then again, our mayor here in Maybe-Notso-Whitebreadville just had a temper tantrum in council chambers to convince council to give some consultants or other a hundred grand to design a new logo for the city. Even the radio dudes, who reliably lean right-wing authoritarian (and therefore love Mayor Mafioso generally) described him as “going ballistic.” Meanwhile, council’s talking about discontinuing bus service to large swatches of the city, and other things, because NO TAX INCREASES EVAR, SHUT UP, THAT’S WHY (meanwhile, inflation), which makes non-driving me has a sad.

    Meanwhile, Mayor Mafioso is also looking at being tossed out on his can for…appropriating funds, shall we say.

    Who says Republicans are limited to the US, or that Canadian politics is boring?

  80. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:48

    OK, now I am seriously confused. Goldberg is coming out against “stirring rage, paranoia and an ill-defined sense of betrayal”? What next, Kim Kardashian denouncing reality TV?

  81. tigris said,

    January 16, 2013 at 20:51

    and the offenses of the war on terror including but not limited to: illegal surveillance, incarceration (including torture) and execution or assassination of so called terrorists on secret evidence.

    Yeah, every time I hear some right-wing mother-fucker piss and moan about how he sure as hell ain’t losin’ his Constitutional rights without a fight I wonder why I don’t remember the great 4th amendment defense fight of ’01 etc. Amnesia, I guess.

    Then I listened to the President’s press conference and the reaction on the local NPR station from the local rep of the 2nd Amendment Foundation

    I did hear one good thing today: you know how the gun folks always pooh-pooh any proposal with “but that wouldn’t have stopped such-and-such shooting” and then go on to demand we curtail the rights of people who may suffer from mental illness? Today I heard a guy point out that none of their mental health proposals would have stopped Sandy Hook, because his mother still could have bought the guns. Maybe it was a cheap shot, but it was nice to see their own words served back to them.

  82. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:03

    I made a mistake in an earlier comment — the stupidity that Whale Chowder linked to was from the odious Wall Street Journal. I errantly ascribed it to the loathsome “WaPo” instead.

    I regret the error and will endeavor not to repeat it.

  83. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:04

    I must admit, DKW, I’m getting some chuckles out of what’s going on in LEAFS DON’T SUCK THAT MUCH these days.

    $12 million in cuts have been reversed, so there’s that.

  84. VCarlson said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:05

    WRT plastic bag bans, we have one coming up sometime in the future. I forget when, because I have a nice supply of canvas bags at home and in car I’ve been using for years. I haven’t heard much wailing about the loss of one’s Consitooshunal right to get plastic grocery bags (maybe it’s still too far in the future?), but I have heard occasional outbursts from germophobes about how these reused bags are getting cooties germs all over everything.

  85. tigris said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:12

    Somebody should tell the germophobes about that wonderful new invention, the washing machine. I haven’t died of the grocery bag germs even once since I got mine!

  86. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:20

    Somebody should tell the germophobes about that wonderful new invention, the washing machine. I haven’t died of the grocery bag germs even once since I got mine!

    The plastic gets in the drains though.

  87. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:23

    I haven’t died of the grocery bag germs even once since I got mine!

    You mean there’s possible risk in letting meat juices rot and fester in fabric and then rubbing your fresh produce with that fabric? Unpossible! Next you’ll be telling me I should piss downstream from where I drink too!

    As if.

  88. S. cerevisiae said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:27

    I will say that when I lived in Corvallis I would use the plastic Safeway bags as garbage liners so at least I reused them. That being said I usually just put everything in my backpack (it could hold two six-packs of whatever microbrew was on sale).

  89. tigris said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:29

    Subby forgets to use the lingerie bags to wash his delicates.

  90. Thread Bear said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:39

    T.O.S. violations? Book ‘em for felony!

    Banksters bringing down the economy? FREE PASSES!

    JPMorgan Chase’s Chief Executive Jamie Dimon will get his pay cut by half because of a trading loss that cost the bank more than $6 billion last year and drew sanctions from federal regulators.

    See, there is justice in America. Dimon will have to eke out an existence on only 11 million dollars this year. The Wall Street Journal now has another poor person who will be affected by the Obama tax increase to write about.

  91. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:52

    Nor will he permit the enforcement of unconstitutional regulations or orders by federal officers with the borders of Linn County.

    Good for him! All that remains is to slap him upside the haid with “YOU don’t get to decide what is and isn’t Constitutional. Asshat.”

  92. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 16, 2013 at 21:59

    Far and away the most popular premium in the Ermagerd Pubic Croadbasting radio fundraising (or is it membership? Yes, I think it’s “membership drive.” Teh Ho has banished the word “pledge” from the lexicon) is the “Go green” package. Two reusable grocery bags and SOLV plants a tree in your name. That was the case even before Portland banned plastic bags.

  93. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:11

    I subscribe to two daily newspapers and am usually knee-deep in those fucking plastic sleeves by week’s end. You’re not supposed to put them in the regular recycling because they gum up the machines. My supermarket has a recycling bin just for plastic bags, but I don’t get there every week. I try to reuse them as lunch bags, but 1) the food doesn’t always fit and 2) I can eat only one lunch a day.

    Another mark against dead-tree journalism, I guess.

  94. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:15

    JPMorgan Chase’s Chief Executive Jamie Dimon will get his pay cut by half because of a trading loss that cost the bank more than $6 billion last year and drew sanctions from federal regulators.

    I just found out that Dimon was one of the driving forces behind Sam Zell’s takeover of Tribune Co. You know, the one that immediately plunged the company into a bankruptcy that took more than three years to resolve, jeopardizing some of America’s top newspapers and TV stations in the process. I sleep so much better at night knowing geniuses like that are in charge of the economy.

  95. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:21

    Our state-owned liquor monopoly, the LCBO, used to have the best plastic bags. They were really heavy weight bags that got re-used and lasted forever. Those were phased out five years ago and now they only do paper bags, re-usable bags or you can recycle some of their cardboard boxes.

    And since this is where I do most of my grocery shopping, I don’t get a lot of plastic bags.

  96. VCarlson said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:26

    You mean there’s possible risk in letting meat juices rot and fester in fabric and then rubbing your fresh produce with that fabric?

    That’s why I prefer canvas bags to the made-of-recycled-materials plastic reusable bags the grocery stores offer. For me, tossing bags in the wash is easier than wiping down the insides of the plastic bags. Also, the handles on canvas bags are sturdier.

    Of course, I’ve been doing this long enough that I have sufficient bags to have some in the wash, some in the car, some ready to go at home. I don’t do it that often, though, as I rarely get leakage. Partly because I don’t buy much meat, partly thanks to the little bags the store puts the meat in when I do buy it.

  97. DAS said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:32

    I will say that when I lived in Corvallis I would use the plastic Safeway bags as garbage liners so at least I reused them – S. cerevisiae

    If Mayor Napoleon Complex Whiney-Buttinski (aka Michael Bloomberg) decides to ban plastic grocery bags (I wouldn’t put it past him), we would end up using just as many plastic bags as we would then have to buy plastic bags to line our garbage. We have a supply of re-usuable bags and what doesn’t fit into our (limitted supply) goes into plastic bags that themselves get re-used.

  98. VCarlson said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:42

    those fucking plastic sleeves

    I was hip deep in those things until I moved to interior corridor living (no bags or bands) and dropped a paper. I’ve finally used them up for cat box cleaning purposes and have bought some dog-poop bags. I suppose I could use paper bags – I use a wheat based litter – but they’re hard to find. I could train the cats to use the toilet, but I don’t know what would happen when they board at the vet. Also, I’m afraid one or both would learn to flush.

    And I’ve also had to start buying garbage bags, which gives me pause.

  99. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:44

    People are discounting the fun of having their nice clean white linen grocery bags discoloured with meat drippings.

  100. bbkf said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:45

    i am an awful person…i have many bags suitable for toting groceries in my vehicle and at home and the only time i remember i have them is when the person behind the counter is asking me if i want paper or plastic…in my defense, i usually get paper (or no bag if my purchases fit in my purse or are easily carried) and i reuse them to bring stuff hither and yon…a great multitude of them go to the local thrift shops when i go on my periodic clothes/household items purges…and then they reuse them to bag other customer’s purchases…there! i think i walked that back enough where i don’t feel quite as guilty…

  101. bbkf said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:46

    People are discounting the fun of having their nice clean white linen grocery bags discoloured with meat drippings.

    haha…i would shamble down the street in a zombie like fashion with mine…

  102. Zombie Hitler said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:49

    Unscrewing the lightbulb.

  103. Thread Bear said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:55

    It doesn’t help that, in my neighborhood anyway, the baggers seem to be trained to put each item in it’s own individual plastic bag. And if you get meat or milk or any other possible leakage item they put it in two plastic bags. If I find myself in the store without my re-useable bags I always ask them to put everything in just one bag. At first the look at me like I’m crazy, then they just ignore that absurd idea and just for good measure load me up with extra bags. I think our local stores pay their help based on the number of plastic bags they can foist on to the customers.

  104. VCarlson said,

    January 16, 2013 at 22:59

    and the only time i remember i have them is when the person behind the counter is asking me if i want paper or plastic

    When I first started, that’s when I’d remember, or when I was almost in the store (sometimes I’d go back & get ‘em, sometimes not). Eventually, I learned. Now it’s automatic. I also have a couple of those light nylon(?) bag in a stuff sacks in my purse for non-grocery occasions. When I remember.

  105. tigris said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:02

    Our trash is pay-per-use, so we have to buy special bags. I do occasionally use plastic bags from the store sometimes, but not the shopping bags, the produce bags, which fit all my little trash cans perfectly. The shopping bags seem to have gotten smaller and now fit nothing. bbkf, I have one of those little shopping bags that smooshes down into its own pocket so I always have a bag, I highly recommend them. It’s great for when you forget your regular bags at the store, but it’s the best thing ever when you’re traveling.

  106. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:02

    i have many bags suitable for toting groceries in my vehicle and at home and the only time i remember i have them is when the person behind the counter is asking me if i want paper or plastic

    That used to be me quite often too. That’s one thing I’ve noticed about the “bag ban” here — it seems to actually work subliminally to remind me to remember my reusable bags.

  107. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:04

    . I think our local stores pay their help based on the number of plastic bags they can foist on to the customers.

    I think grocery baggers would prefer your disapproving looks over the screeching incoherent bile they most likely face should they ever put a can on top of a loaf of bread. They are just behaving according to the maxim – “err on the side least likely to get me screamed at”.

  108. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:07

    I was hip deep in those things until I moved to interior corridor living (no bags or bands) and dropped a paper. I’ve finally used them up for cat box cleaning purposes and have bought some dog-poop bags.

    Oh, those things (newspaper sleeves) absolutely rock for picking up pet poo, but I haven’t walked a dog in more than a dozen years.

    And I’ve also had to start buying garbage bags, which gives me pause.

    For me there’s no choice. I have one of those tall kitchen garbage cans with a flip lid—an absolute necessity if you prepare food that is any fresher than Twinkies—and nothing but an actual garbage bag will fit it.

  109. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:09

    those fucking plastic sleeves

    Such prolixity! Can’t you just say “condoms?”

  110. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:12

    Can’t you just say “condoms?”

    Sure, but it’s so hard…

    to fit a newspaper in a a condom.

  111. The Reality-Based Dave said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:17

    “It is the position of this sheriff that I refuse to participate, or stand idly by, while my citizens are turned into criminals due to the unconstitutional actions of misguided politicians,” Mueller noted.

    Ok. Someone please tell me when Mueller started serving on the SCotUS.

    I know, PupMax beat me to it a few comments ago…

  112. Fenwick said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:19

    this is where I do most of my grocery shopping,

    I laffed.
    ———————-
    Teh Ho has banished the word “pledge” from the lexicon

    Johnson & Johnson are plenty pissed about it, too.

    ———————-
    More band names:

    Grocery Bag Germs
    Interior Corridor
    Train the Cats
    Meat Drippings

  113. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:29

    I have a HUGE canvas bag that someone gifted me… I think it’s intended to be used as a laundry duffel, of sorts. But I take mine to Aldi. I can get about a week’s grub in it, and it travels well on the scoot.
    .

  114. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:29

    And now, Meat Drippings performing their hit single Can’t You Just Say Condoms?

  115. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:32

    Sure, but it’s so hard…

    to fit a newspaper in a condom.

    Yeah, but for some of the columnists in my local rag, a scumbag would be the appropriate container.

  116. DAS said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:33

    For me there’s no choice. I have one of those tall kitchen garbage cans with a flip lid—an absolute necessity if you prepare food that is any fresher than Twinkies—and nothing but an actual garbage bag will fit it – Bitter Scribe

    Actually Mrs. DAS cannot stand the smell of garbage (even in an can with a flip lid) overnight (how someone so sensitive to bad smells has managed to live for so many years in a stuffy apartment and still doesn’t want to move out to a well-ventilated house in the ‘burbs is … well … part of her mystique … and isn’t maintaining a mystique what keeps the love alive?). So we just skip the flip lid container, bag the garbage created whenever we cook and toss it down the garbage shoot at the end of the day.

  117. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:34

    Our trash is pay-per-use, so we have to buy special bags.

    I used to live somewhere where they did it that way. It was a pain sometimes, but I thought it was fair. They didn’t charge for recycled material, though, which was a great incentive to recycle.

  118. S. cerevisiae said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:35

    I remember a band called the Meat Puppets.

  119. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:37

    we just skip the flip lid container, bag the garbage created whenever we cook and toss it down the garbage shoot at the end of the day.

    At least you have a garbage shoot (also known as a “chute.”) I’d have to walk my trash down to the garage, and I’d rather put up with the smell.

  120. Pupienus Maximus said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:37

    Sometimes they get upset when I insist on bagging things myself, which I ALWAYS do. I say “don’t take it personally.” Sometimes I add “it’s just that you don’t know how to do it right.”

    It’s an exercise in linear programming, simple optimization given the following constraints:
    * The weight must be distributed evenly across the bags.
    * The fridge and freezer items should be kept together.
    * Rigid packages should be placed to result in the stiffest overall package. * Heavier items must be near the bottom so they don’t tip over in the trunk when I hit the on-ramp at hyperlegal velocities.
    * Items should be packed in the reverse order I will unload them and to minimize the amount of walking needed to accomplish complete unloading and storage.
    * The lowest number of bags ir optimal with the restriction that no bag should exceed some unspecified and variable according to other conditions mass.
    * The arrangement must be asthetically pleasing.

  121. tigris said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:45

    They didn’t charge for recycled material, though, which was a great incentive to recycle.

    That’s what they do here, and it’s great for us, we have recycling every time and trash 4-5 times a year. The elderly couple who used to live across from us had 2 bags every week, I have no idea how they did it.

  122. Major Kong said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:52

    * Rigid packages should be placed to result in the stiffest overall package.

    Stiffing the package.

  123. bbkf said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:52

    road report from reliable commute: glare ice…

  124. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:54

    when I hit the on-ramp at hyperlegal velocities.

    I am so trying this the next time I get pulled over.

    “I know what the sign says, officer, but my speed was hyperlegal!”

  125. bbkf said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:55

    The elderly couple who used to live across from us had 2 bags every week, I have no idea how they did it.

    especially since olds rarely throw things away…my inlaws still have and use items that they received as wedding gifts…you can tell that mortality is on their minds more and more recently, as they are going through all their ‘stuff’ and recycling/giving away, etc. thank bog they are because until recently my f.i.l. had cancelled checks dating to the 50s…

  126. VCarlson said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:56

    I have a trash chute, and a downside to living in paradise is it’s also roach heaven, so I toss my trash daily in a (possibly futile) effort to keep food sources down. I’ve been able to make the small sized purchased bags work on my designed for plastic grocery bags bag holder by rolling the top, twisting the extra under the wire frame, and holding the twist with a binder clip.

  127. Thread Bear said,

    January 16, 2013 at 23:59

    I think grocery baggers would prefer your disapproving looks over the screeching incoherent bile they most likely face should they ever put a can on top of a loaf of bread. They are just behaving according to the maxim – “err on the side least likely to get me screamed at”.

    To be honest, I live in an area where the demographics tend towards the elderly and their parents. If they put more than 8-10 ounces of weight in any one bag the sweet little old ladies scream at them because it’s too heavy to carry into the house.

  128. VCarlson said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:01

    my inlaws still have and use items that they received as wedding gifts

    Dad was given a huge number of wallets when he graduated from HS. He didn’t have to buy a wallet for himself until he was in his 50s, I think.

  129. Whale Chowder said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:15

    At least you have a garbage shoot (also known as a “chute.”)

    Whoa boy, that’s some chute-spa right there.

    * Rigid packages should be placed to result in the stiffest overall package.

    Trust Pup to be always seeking the stiffest package.

  130. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:16

    Portland trash collection is tiered to once weekly, biweekly, monthly or something. There were some complaints at first but it seems nearly everyone has abandoned the expensive weekly pickup. Recycling here is, of course, mandatory. And in überliberal Portland we even have curbside composting. In the first year the volume sent to the landfill was reduced 40(!)%. Saves the city a lot of money but I think most of us are more appreciative that what used to get hauled several hundred miles away now gets recycled more or less locally.

  131. Whale Chowder said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:16

    until recently my f.i.l. had cancelled checks dating to the 50s…

    FWIW, I’d be hard pressed to cherish “re-gifted” canceled checks but I’m a well-known curmudgeon.

  132. DAS said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:18

    I had a nice post about my shoot/chute typo, with a link to a pic of skunk cabbage even, but — and FYWP — evidently I was “posting too fast” even though I’ve only made that one post recently.

  133. Whale Chowder said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:19

    And in überliberal Portland we even have curbside composting.

    Same-same in Seattle. The downside is that my gigantic composting bin in the back yard is now going all but unused. The upside: much fewer fruitflys in the fall.

  134. bbkf said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:19

    * The arrangement must be asthetically pleasing.

    do you make sure your bags look like they do in the movies with the loaf of french bread and flowers/and or leafy greens poking out of the top?

    i grew up in my dad’s grocery stores, so improper bagging is really annoying to me…

  135. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:20

    I should note that I live on the 18th floor, have a trash choot (which undergoes self cleaning frequently). Composting hasn’t come to us high-rise dwellers yet. However, those of us who have plots in the community garden down the street mostly avail ourselves of the composting opportunities there.

  136. John Revolta said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:21

    The fact is, dog shit.

    I’ll take all the plastic bags I can get.

  137. DAS said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:23

    Pupienus Maximus — your objective function, which includes a term representing how aesthetically pleasing the arrangement is, is linear? That’s an interesting value of aesthetics you have there … of course, I knew an engineering grad student back when I was in grad school who claimed that us straight-male-folk were linear machines: e.g. if we found breasts of a certain size attractive, we’d find breasts that were twice as big twice as attractive.

  138. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:24

    do you make sure your bags look like they do in the movies with the loaf of french bread and flowers/and or leafy greens poking out of the top?

    But of course! Trust me, it looks FABULOUS.

  139. bbkf said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:28

    FWIW, I’d be hard pressed to cherish “re-gifted” canceled checks but I’m a well-known curmudgeon.

    no, they are not that thrifty yet…he made himself a homemade chimera/firepit thingy from an old table top weber grill and some sort of mesh cylinder he had laying around and burned them all…

  140. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:34

    The aesthetic measure is not itself linear. One can however assign some relative value to the aesthetics and use the measure along with other constraints in a linear programming exercise. It’s not true linear programming but the general idea applies.

    It strikes me that few people, even the very intelligent commentariat here, know what linear programming is. Also known as “minimax” it’s simply finding the overall optimum for this or that when there are contrasting constraints. Teh wiki has a decent intro paragraph that’s fairly accessible to non-mathematicians.

  141. Smut Clyde said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:39

    do you make sure your bags look like they do in the movies with the loaf of french bread and flowers/and or leafy greens poking out of the top?

    I know! Let’s all imagine Pupienus as an Art Frahm pin-up!

  142. Smut Clyde said,

    January 17, 2013 at 0:41

    * The arrangement must be asthetically pleasing.

    This is NOT A NP-COMPLETE PROBLEM.

  143. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 1:06

    This is NOT A NP-COMPLETE PROBLEM.

    At the risk of getting more comments about rigidity and stiffness, it’s NP-hard.

  144. smut clyde said,

    January 17, 2013 at 1:12

    it’s NP-hard.
    Um, that’s what I meant and I will blame the autocorrect on Pupienus’ computer.
    Also I suspect him of Hiding information and signatures in trapdoor knapsacks .

  145. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 17, 2013 at 1:22

    do you make sure your bags look like they do in the movies with the loaf of french bread and flowers/and or leafy greens poking out of the top?

    If you show a loaf of french bread in Act I, it must be eaten in Act III.

  146. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 1:24

    It’s not information that i usually hide in a “trapdoor.”
    IYKWIMAITYD

  147. Whale Chowder said,

    January 17, 2013 at 1:29

    I know! Let’s all imagine Pupienus as an Art Frahm pin-up!

    Package is insufficiently rigid.

    And at one time I knew something about linear programming but that was decades and many dead brain cells ago.

  148. smut clyde said,

    January 17, 2013 at 1:39

    If you show a loaf of french bread in Act I, it must be eaten in Act III.
    …unless it has been used to smuggle a katana through customs.

  149. danah gaz said,

    January 17, 2013 at 2:01

    Couldn’t you at least photoshop him some eyebrows?

    Have you no sense of decency?

  150. M. Bouffant said,

    January 17, 2013 at 2:22

    I prefer to spell it “hippie”.

  151. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 2:39

    There’s never enough meat on the hip to make a good pie.

  152. Fenwick said,

    January 17, 2013 at 2:49

    I’m only doing band names (and euphemisms) today. So sue me.

    Chute Typo
    Posting Too Fast
    Flip Lid
    Fewer Fruit Flies
    Homemade Chimera

  153. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 17, 2013 at 3:03

    Sometimes they get upset when I insist on bagging things myself, which I ALWAYS do. I say “don’t take it personally.” Sometimes I add “it’s just that you don’t know how to do it right.”

    Dammit. When did that happen?

    Today’s the day I feel like I really became a regular. I read this on my phone while fucking off at work, and skimmed past who had written it… but I KNEW.

    :lol:
    .

  154. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 17, 2013 at 3:18

    Couldn’t you at least photoshop him some eyebrows?
    Have you no sense of decency?

    I dunno…he’s got an “Uncle Fester’s High School Yearbook Photo” thing going on. It’s…unique.

  155. DAS said,

    January 17, 2013 at 3:21

    In re linear programming: my algorithms prof when I was a grad student at Rutgers was Leonid Khachiyan.

  156. RWW said,

    January 17, 2013 at 3:36

    I’m sending Neil Stevens’ non-photoshopped mugshot to Ryan Murphy to see if he can build season 3 of American Horror Story around it.

  157. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 3:40

    Hiding your signature in the trapdoor.

  158. Just Alison, who can't be buggered thinking of something clever to write said,

    January 17, 2013 at 4:03

    Pupienus Maximus said,
    January 16, 2013 at 23:37

    It’s an exercise in linear programming, simple optimization given the following constraints:

    Pup, that’s music to mine ears (or mine eyes, actually). I haven’t done any linear programming since the Cretaceous era or thereabouts. Thank you, I went all dewy-eyed on that trip down memory lane.

  159. bughunter said,

    January 17, 2013 at 4:22

    I knew an engineering grad student back when I was in grad school who claimed that us straight-male-folk were linear machines: e.g. if we found breasts of a certain size attractive, we’d find breasts that were twice as big twice as attractive.

    Pshaw. Classic newbie engineer mistake, assuming everything works to first order.

    And also assuming a positive correlation is not universal… I know folks for whom breasts twice as big are half as attractive.

  160. bughunter said,

    January 17, 2013 at 4:23

    pft. Another tagfail. First line is a quote from DAS at 0:23.

  161. tensor said,

    January 17, 2013 at 4:48

    “If you show a loaf of french bread in Act I, it must be eaten in Act III.”

    We’ll half you know, young tyro, we won’t check off your ink-stained loafing around here. This is a snark blog, not some cherry orchard.

    “And also assuming a positive correlation is not universal… I know folks for whom breasts twice as big are half as attractive.”

    A nice angle on the topic of this post, who is an extremely unattractive big boob.

  162. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 4:54

    Pshaw. Classic newbie engineer mistake, assuming everything works to first order.

    Even in this day and age engineers are woefully unfamiliar with non-linearity. Fuck, anything not monotonic is a mystery to them.

    Note: Its been quite a while since I worked with nøøb engineers and even longer since I was in school. Things might have gotten better tho I doubt it. Never heard a youngun say “period 3 implies chaos” or the like.

  163. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 5:22

    Yer vera welcum, Miss Suez.

    Which reminds me, I made a batch of PM’s insanely good roasted chicken stock t’udder day. Then I tossed some diced onion and diced poblano peppers. and diced jalapeno or three into a pot with some Olive Oyl to saute. Cumin powder, Mexican oregano, ground coriander seed, salt, pepper, maybe some other stuff. Cooked it all up real gud. A can of diced tomatoes, some PM’s insanely good chicken stock and a couple chix thighs. Simmer for a while then retrieve the chix thighs and dice the meat, return to pot. Add some corn tortillas sliced and cut into small chunks. In the words of Babette’s Danish employers, let it cook. Oh, a big handful of cilantro was in there too. Then add the juice of a lime and a big mess of various Mescan cheeses – cotillo and queso blanco in this case – and some cheddar and jack. Finally, off heat stir in some sour cream. Make sure everything all nicely blended and ,ixed and shit then serve, topped with crispy corn tortilla strips.

    It’s white brown trash food like the stuff I came to love when I lived in San Antonio. And dayum, it’s fucking tasty.

  164. VCarlson said,

    January 17, 2013 at 5:41

    Which reminds me, I made a batch of PM’s insanely good roasted chicken stock t’udder day.

    I didn’t know chickens had udders.

  165. N__B said,

    January 17, 2013 at 6:00

    I didn’t know chickens had udders.

    Is it sticking in your craw?

  166. VCarlson said,

    January 17, 2013 at 6:06

    Is it sticking in your craw?

    Are you going to cluck over me if it is?

  167. smut clyde said,

    January 17, 2013 at 6:43

    I didn’t know chickens had udders.
    There is a Gilbert Shelton illustration of chicken-milking which I would table as evidence if I could find a copy outside my head.

  168. VCarlson said,

    January 17, 2013 at 7:28

    There is a Gilbert Shelton illustration of chicken-milking which I would table as evidence if I could find a copy outside my head.

    And now, for some reason, I find myself remembering an E.B. White essay on chickens in which one of his hens noticed his watch for the first time as he was collecting eggs, shrieked “a bomb!” and took off, precipitating confusion and dismay in the henhouse. I think it was in Mom’s copy of Essays Old and New.

  169. Fenwick said,

    January 17, 2013 at 7:51

    I prefer to spell it “hippie”.

    Well, of course, MB. That is the correct spelling.

  170. St. Trotsky, Pope-in-Avignon said,

    January 17, 2013 at 7:55

    i don’t get how state funding is okay, but federal is not…isn’t state just a smaller fed?

    Similar to the way they seem to think private is better than public, I have to imagine they just don’t think this shit through. In fact, I suspect if they ever did actually win and dismantle the entire federal infrastructure, the next step would be bitching about the state government and that our Founding Fathers always intended for us to have high-rate-of-fire assault weapons to overthrow the Tyranny of the State Capitol, and that we should only give power to the mayor.

    Then next step is eliminate the mayor in favor of the head of the household. And then we shoot dad in the face.

  171. St. Trotsky, Pope-in-Avignon said,

    January 17, 2013 at 7:59

    I think grocery baggers would prefer your disapproving looks over the screeching incoherent bile they most likely face should they ever put a can on top of a loaf of bread. They are just behaving according to the maxim – “err on the side least likely to get me screamed at”.

    As one formerly employed in the bagging industry for four long years, let me tell you that I hated both of you equally. Either you were making me look like I couldn’t do my job in front of my managers, in which case I got yelled at, or I got yelled at once by the customer, then yelled at again when they complained to the manager about my poor performance. Honestly, it’s a shock I made it out of that job without spitting in a customer’s face.

  172. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:24

    There’s never enough meat on the hip to make a good pie.

    Spoken by a guy who doesn’t “eat” women.

  173. Smut Clyde said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:25

    There is a Gilbert Shelton illustration of chicken-milking
    It’s an illustrated version he drew of “Took my Girl out Walkin’”, that I saw some time in 1983 or thereabouts.

  174. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:29

    I’m only doing band names (and euphemisms) today. So sue me.

    Band Names and Euphemisms

  175. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:31

    i don’t get how state funding is okay, but federal is not…isn’t state just a smaller fed?

    That really depends how you phrase it.

    If you ask them “do you prefer federal governments or state and local ones,” they’ll say state and local governments. Because, you know… something something something freedom.

    But if you ask them about the U.S. military, they’ll tell you it can do no wrong; if you ask them about Social Security and Medicare, they’ll tell you it rocks so much the government should keep its hands off it; if you ask them about local public schools, they’ll talk your ear off about how much they suck and those fucking teachers are overpaid and lazy and union thugs; and if you ask them to cite the ultimate example of government inefficiency, they’ll cite the DMV.

    But, you know… local and state governments are better than the federal one. Because… because… because… Shut up, you liberal faggot.

  176. Smut Clyde said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:34

    On the bright side, inquiry reveals that someone has uploaded Shelton’s Motoring Tips.

  177. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:35

    In fact, I suspect if they ever did actually win and dismantle the entire federal infrastructure

    I suspect that’ll never happen simply because state and local governments rely on it so much to fix what they fuck up. When red state governors and legislatures slash the shit out of funding for disaster relief, fire departments, welfare or what-have-you, it’s in the knowledge that the feds will be there to pick up the slack, shoulder the burden and generally clean up after them. Which is how they get to be portrayed as brave responsible fiscal conservatives, without having to inflict the full consequences of said conservatism (too much) on the public.

    Take the feds out of the equation and the scam grinds to a halt.

  178. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:35

    But, you know… local and state governments are better than the federal one. Because… because… because… Shut up, you liberal faggot.

    It’s almost as if something happened 150 years or so ago which made them hate the federal government, but I can’t seem to put my finger on it. It’s as if my memory has been nullified.

  179. St. Trotsky, Pope-in-Avignon said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:43

    Take the feds out of the equation and the scam grinds to a halt.

    Oh, I’m well aware the whole thing is a scam, but I’m merely stating that if we were strictly taking their statements for what they are, a dismantled federal infrastructure would not satisfy their need to get back at their authoritarian father-figure by wrecking civilized society. It’d constantly go down, further and further, on county levels, city-level, district-level, local government, then finally they shoot their father in the face.

  180. St. Trotsky, Pope-in-Avignon said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:44

    So, yes, I’m saying the entire conservative platform is because they have more daddy-issues than a self-conscious stripper. Wanna fight about it?

  181. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:47

    Yes. I think you’re being too generous to them :D

  182. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:49

    And, also, you’ve got the odd dichotomy where they on the one hand they’ve got unresolved issues with a daddy figure in the form of the government, liberal elites and all that, but on the other hand, they’re also constantly craving a strong daddy figure to rally around (George W. Bush was the last one).

    RWAs are friggin weird.

  183. Shwell Thanksh said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:52

    News not appearing in your local newspaper: polyamory court case proceeds, slouches America dangerously Gomorrahwards.

  184. bughunter said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:56

    Seeking advice on a host for my blog… I’ve been writing an opinion piece that I now realize should be the inaugural post for a blog.

    I’ve put off doing it for years mainly because I’ve always felt that it’d be one of those things that I’d start but never maintain. For some time now, though, I’ve had enough to say here on S,N! comments that could have been blogged instead, so I might as well do it this time.

    Anyway, many of you have interesting blogs that you update regularly so I thought I’d solicit your advice.

  185. St. Trotsky, Pope-in-Avignon said,

    January 17, 2013 at 8:56

    I dunno, I think the dichotomy where you both need and hate daddy is pretty common to this shit (Dubya was himself a stellar example). Maybe it’s just cause I’ve got a bad case of avoidance-dependence in my own personal relationships, but I can understand that shit. Sometimes you just need to push away they people you depend on to stop feeling so bad about how much you depend on them.

  186. bughunter said,

    January 17, 2013 at 9:04

    bbkf @ 19:50 : i don’t get how state funding is okay, but federal is not

    Chris @ 08:31: But, you know… local and state governments are better than the federal one. Because… because… because… Shut up, you liberal faggot.

    Because there’s a Democrat in the White House. Therefore the federal government is illegitimate. But put a Republican in charge and any criticism of federal policy is tantamount to treason.

    It doesn’t matter that aside from a very short list of specific policies (ending DADT for instance), Obama’s performance in his first term has been indistinguishable from that of a center-right Republican. And you could say the same thing for most of Clinton’s policy during his two terms.

  187. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 17, 2013 at 9:45

    So, yes, I’m saying the entire conservative platform is because they have more daddy-issues than a self-conscious stripper. Wanna fight about it?

    I don’t think it’s that- I think it’s blah people issues rather than daddy issues. They have no problem with a stern authoritarian figure (e.g. they were silent about the dismantling of habeas corpus under Bush). They are willing to burn the whole country to the ground, though, rather than see one black person get nice things.

  188. Major Kong said,

    January 17, 2013 at 10:37

    I think you’re both partly right but you’re incorrectly looking for consistency here.

    I think they want to have their way all the time and they’re for whatever best suits that particular purpose.

    If it’s best accomplished at the local level, then great. I it takes an effort on the federal level, that’s just fine too. Whatever gets them their way at the end of the day.

  189. John Revolta said,

    January 17, 2013 at 10:49

    Shelton’s been milkin’ those chickens at least since the early ’70s. Can’t be arsed to look it up but (God help me) I can remember this little ditty from back then:

    Well, I ain’t got nobody
    Just as blue as can be
    Well, I ain’t got nobody to make a big fuss over me
    If I don’t get somebody
    I’m gonna go back to the farm
    And milk the cows and the chickens
    (I don’t give a golly gosh darn.)

    Someday I gotta get started cleaning out my brainpan…………………………

  190. Major Kong said,

    January 17, 2013 at 11:12

    I don’t milk chickens, I just fly them around the country.

  191. John Revolta said,

    January 17, 2013 at 11:16

    If’n you milked ‘em first, they’d weigh less……………………….

  192. G. Ruppert said,

    January 17, 2013 at 13:43

    You liberals with your scientific theories and shit, “milk the chickens, ha ha chickens aren’t mammals” yet I’ve got the proof you’d see if you’d just open your eyes: I went to the grocery store the other day and what did I see in the meat department but packages of chicken breasts.

  193. DAS said,

    January 17, 2013 at 14:31

    Chris @ 8:35 — as I put it, the GOP-richer racket is to get people so angry @ state andlocal government,

  194. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 17, 2013 at 14:40

    Gary’s using science… check and mate, looney libs!

    I never knew Gary was a TMBG fan. Now I’m picturing Gary as a MILFy stroller mafia type, posting on her iPhone from a 5th Avenue cafe, while lamenting the passing of her “hip” days. Meet me in front of the Food Co-op, Gary… be discreet.

    One of the greatest failures of the Internet is that my great and good friend Saasha Foo hasn’t posted her hilarious “Park Slope Gigolo” anywhere. “Park Slope gigolo, he’s the honey in your Bigelow.”

    Pure… comedy… gold…

  195. DAS said,

    January 17, 2013 at 14:43

    Oops my so-called smart phone sometimes thinks I’ve pressed buttons I never pressed …

    Anyway, as I was saying, the racket is that you get people upset at state and local government (where in some cases it is literally amateur hour because states are too cheap to have professional legislators that work full time, etc) and channel that anger into a dislike of federal government … all for the benefit of a few major players.

    Of course, realizing this, if I were in charge of the Dem party, one of my priorities would be to make sure that every Dem ran government was a model of efficiency and efficacy, if only to diffuse anti government sentiment and build the Dem good government can do good brand.

    Well that, as others have pointed out, is only part of the dynamic. Part of it is simply people who “have a black friend so I can’t be racist” being a little too happy when government kills dusky hued furriners and locks melanin accentuated folks in jail, but are unhappy when said government actually commits resources to helping those of the wrong complexion or caste. And … daddy (and mommy) issues for sure … their whole model of the family is guaranteed to cause such issues, which include promulgating said family model … so it’s self perpetuating …. a meme in the original sense of the term

  196. Matt said,

    January 17, 2013 at 16:08

    There’s not really a contradiction exactly here – after all, the federal law in question just basically says, “we can prosecute the ever-loving fuck outta you for breaking whatever rules the website wants to make” (ie, ‘terms of service’).

    This squares completely with calls for “light regulation” in the RW worldview – rules are only bad if the GOVERNMENT makes them, not if corporations make them!

  197. El Manquécito said,

    January 17, 2013 at 16:09

    “Park Slope gigolo, he’s the honey in your Bigelow.”

    While I like the concept of the Park Slope gigolo, why do I suspect that there’s a tangelo and a bungalow in his future?

  198. bughunter said,

    January 17, 2013 at 16:36

    if I were in charge of the Dem party, one of my priorities would be to make sure that every Dem ran government was a model of efficiency and efficacy

    Splendid idea, and good strategy, but we’re talking about the Democratic Party here, which is as disorganized as a coop full of chickens at milking time, and in possession of only three-fifths of a backbone collectively.

    Obama’s 50-state campaign was the first time I can recall seeing the Dems act with such coordination in my half-century of sometimes paying attention.

  199. bughunter said,

    January 17, 2013 at 16:42

    why do I suspect that there’s a tangelo and a bungalow in his future?

    And his name is Figaro.

  200. Thread Bear said,

    January 17, 2013 at 16:51

    And he’s from Tupelo and rides a buffalo while playing a piccalo.

  201. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 17, 2013 at 17:23

    Even in this day and age engineers are woefully unfamiliar with non-linearity. Fuck, anything not monotonic is a mystery to them.

    I occasionally get into arguments with “scientists” about this sort of thing. It’s true – sometimes engineers don’t care so much about getting it “right” – they just want it “right enough” so that no one is at risk of being crushed under a falling building and the project gets brought in only slightly over budget. If a linear correlation describes the relationship well enough to be safe enough that it is acceptable to the engineering community at large and the regulatory agencies which govern their activities, then why wouldn’t I use it? There is also has the advantage of beings easy to understand so that others can also figure out what’s going on.

    Sometimes “industry standard” has more value than “accuracy” because the context is clear and the work is easy to verify.

  202. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 17, 2013 at 17:25

    There is also has the advantage? Yeah I’m the expert on “easy to understand”.

  203. El Manquécito said,

    January 17, 2013 at 17:35

    There is also, too, as well,
    Has the advantage of beings…

    Scans better.

  204. Bigby said,

    January 17, 2013 at 17:56

    I didn’t know Billy Corgan grew his hair back and joined The Man, what a shame!

    In spite of his rage, he is still just a rat (faced git) in a cage…

  205. Pupienus said,

    January 17, 2013 at 18:09

    Thread Bear said,
    January 17, 2013 at 16:51

    I figured you’d mention Tupelo, honey.

  206. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 17, 2013 at 18:39

    Anyway, many of you have interesting blogs that you update regularly so I thought I’d solicit your advice.

    I only have a boring blahg that I don’t update very often, so I’ll give you some useless tips instead:

    If you already have all the googly bits — gmail and/or youtube, etc. — just setup a blog at blogspot. If you don’t want to be subsumed into the googlyplex, you could setup a FYWP blog. If you want to be cool and hip you could do a tumbly thing. If you want to be all retro like you could use livejournal.

    They all work.

    They all suck.

  207. S. cerevisiae said,

    January 17, 2013 at 18:58

    Set your chickens free!

  208. kg said,

    January 17, 2013 at 19:14

    yeah, thats it, I’m retro!

  209. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:13

    Actually related to the post topic (wtf!?!) — Prosecutor claims they weren’t “seeking” maximum sentence and would offer him only 6 months.

    But what I think we all know that means is that they were pressuring him to take the plea deal for that six month sentence, ’cause if they went to trial they would have thrown everything they could at him. That’s how that shit is done, duh.

    But nice try at delayed ass covering.

  210. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:15

    Because there’s a Democrat in the White House. Therefore the federal government is illegitimate. But put a Republican in charge and any criticism of federal policy is tantamount to treason.

    That’s very true.

    To the point that even actions undertaken by Republican presidents that outrage the wingnuts (Waco and Ruby Ridge, both undertaken under H. W. Bush, one of them occurred under H. W. Bush) are blamed on the next Democrat and used as a reason to elect more Republicans.

    I think you’re both partly right but you’re incorrectly looking for consistency here.

    I think they want to have their way all the time and they’re for whatever best suits that particular purpose.

    If it’s best accomplished at the local level, then great. I it takes an effort on the federal level, that’s just fine too. Whatever gets them their way at the end of the day.

    That is also extremely true. Actually, consistency is a net negative in a worldview that divides people between “good” and “bad” and demands that they be treated according to which arbitrary label they fall under.

  211. Gary Ruppert said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:17

    The fact is copywright theft by liberals lessons the creative output of every descent American. Aaron Schwartz’s suicide is a microchasm of all that is wrong with progressives.

  212. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:27

    You know, every word in Gary’s post except for “microchasm” is an actual word. Not the one he wanted, mind you, but an actual word. He’s improving.

  213. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:31

    Really, “copywright”?

  214. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:37

    Gary Ruppert said

    I call fake troll.

  215. VCarlson said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:46

    Bearing on the titular reason for this post, my local paper reports (on page 8, natch) that the EPA has dropped inquiries into tainted water when drilling companies complain about it. Kinda like the CDC being forbidden to study/report of firearm-related deaths by the Fucking NRA (this is the way I expect to be referring to them for the forseeable future, unless someone comes up with something better). Yet more examples of Government becoming an arm of Corporations. ‘Scuse me – Corporation-Americans.

  216. DAS said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:47

    To the point that even actions undertaken by Republican presidents that outrage the wingnuts (Waco and Ruby Ridge, both undertaken under H. W. Bush, one of them occurred under H. W. Bush) are blamed on the next Democrat and used as a reason to elect more Republicans. – Chris

    Waco, Somalia, … my mom noted at the time that G.H.W. Bush left a lot of “loose ends” when he left office. My mom wondered how much of that was done on purpose to make sure the Dem would get blamed.

  217. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:47

    Really, “copywright”?

    Synonym of “scribe”.

  218. tigris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:48

    Really, “copywright”?

    I know, I prefer “copymonger.”

  219. Helmut Monotreme said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:52

    I know, I prefer “copymonger.”

    or as they say in India “copywallah”

  220. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 20:58

    Waco, Somalia, … my mom noted at the time that G.H.W. Bush left a lot of “loose ends” when he left office. My mom wondered how much of that was done on purpose to make sure the Dem would get blamed.

    I suppose you could argue that guy was passing the buck forward, given how many loose ends Reagan left him with. He was stuck with the fallout from Reaganomics (having to be the bad guy saying “yes, we need to raise taxes now that the voodoo bullshit’s left us in a not-so-good condition, HOW ABOUT THAT!?!”) and from his foreign policy (going up against two dictators who’d spent the previous eight years gorging themselves with American arms and money) both.

    I think that guy was vital to the Reagan myth, actually, in that everything that went wrong on Reagan’s watch can be dumped onto him.

  221. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:01

    And I don’t know how much of it is “trying to blame the Democrat,” vs simply “trying to saddle the Democrat with so many problems that he’ll have to spend all his energy just trying to fix what we fucked up, allowing us to bog down his presidency and make any changes in the system impossible.” Look how much time Obama’s had to spend just trying to clean up Bush’s fuckups.

  222. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:03

    So illicit duplicators of music and movies are copywrights against copyrights.

    Um, ok.

  223. El Manquécito said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:11

    I know, I prefer “copymonger.”

    or as they say in India “copywallah”

    Scrivener.

    Or, in Mexican; cacatintas, someone that shits ink.

  224. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:13

    Mexico, though, has strict laws against cacaphonies.

  225. DAS said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:17

    He was stuck with the fallout from Reaganomics (having to be the bad guy saying “yes, we need to raise taxes now that the voodoo bullshit’s left us in a not-so-good condition, HOW ABOUT THAT!?!”) – Chris

    Of course GHWB went from coining (or maybe a speech writer of his coined … but I do remember this right, don’t I?) the term “voodoo economics” to becoming Reagan’s yes man and then paying the price for Reagan’s ideology. Indeed, I agree with you in saying: “I think that guy was vital to the Reagan myth, actually, in that everything that went wrong on Reagan’s watch can be dumped onto him.” although I hadn’t thought of that — thanks for the insight. Nixon in many ways is a classical tragic figure (as Oliver Stone has realized in making a certain movie). But I think there is a movie here in terms of GHWB’s trajectory in being saddled with Reagan’s mess — a mess on the one hand he to some degree forsaw but then which he went on to cheerlead as it happened.

  226. bughunter said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:20

    The fact is copywright theft by liberals

    You call that a troll? This is a fucking troll:

    “You know how to stop abortion? Require that each one occur with a gun.” —Rush Limbaugh, 17 Jan 2013

    He’s staring into the Abyss of Irrelevance. His trolls are going to become more and more heinous until he pisses off one too many VSPs.

  227. Fenwick said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:42

    Milking the chicken

  228. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:43

    Of course GHWB went from coining (or maybe a speech writer of his coined … but I do remember this right, don’t I?) the term “voodoo economics” to becoming Reagan’s yes man and then paying the price for Reagan’s ideology.

    Yeah, I think you do have that right, that Bush coined the phrase “voodoo economics.” Funny; I believe Bush and Reagan, when they ran in 1980, were representing the two wings of the GOP (East Coast moderates vs Western conservatives respectively, basically reenacting Rockefeller vs Goldwater from sixteen years before), but Bush, as you say, went on to change and become a conservative yes-man only to find himself trapped by that when his turn came. Sounds a lot like Mitt Romney 1.0, actually.

    Nixon in many ways is a classical tragic figure (as Oliver Stone has realized in making a certain movie).

    Nixon = Lex Luthor of the real world. Great brain, work ethic, probably would’ve been a boon to mankind if he’d used them right, but so consumed with jealousy at the popular kid(s) that he ended up dedicating his life to tearing shit down instead of building it up.

    But I think there is a movie here in terms of GHWB’s trajectory in being saddled with Reagan’s mess — a mess on the one hand he to some degree forsaw but then which he went on to cheerlead as it happened.

    I would definitely watch that kind of movie if anyone ever made it, but I think too many people just don’t care about him. Can’t think of any president since Ford who’s left so little impact on the public consciousness, actually.

  229. Chris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:50

    Addendum –

    To be fair you can probably say something similar about LBJ’s place in the JFK myth. If Kennedy hadn’t been shot and had gone on to win reelection, he’d have been the one to leave office universally despised (“Hey, hey, JFK, how many kids did you kill today?”) since the Vietnam mess would still have happened, and the civil rights victories, if they’d happened, probably wouldn’t have been nearly as spectacular. LBJ got the shaft for what in another life might have been JFK’s mess.

    (On the other hand, imagine if JFK hadn’t been shot, and had gone on to lose to Goldwater, and Goldwater had been the one stuck with the Vietnam mess, and with opposing the rising tide of public opinion on civil rights… God damn. That might’ve sunk the conservative brand badly enough that Nixon and Reagan would never have happened).

    I like this alternate history stuff. Turtledove should give the Civil War a rest and start doing this instead.

  230. Fenwick said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:58

    Unresolved Issues
    Odd Dichotomy
    Illicit Duplicators
    Abyss of Irrelevance

  231. smut clyde said,

    January 17, 2013 at 21:59

    Set your chickens free!
    Obligatory.

  232. JohnR said,

    January 17, 2013 at 22:22

    “Is it sticking in your craw?”

    Not “the craw”; the _Craw_!

    Also, too, to Smut Clyde, some of us have the remains of a classical education – Spoon!

  233. bughunter said,

    January 17, 2013 at 23:09

    It’s amazing to watch how deep a stupid hole these guys can dig without hitting bedrock.

    Shorter Alex Jones, infowhoors.com:
    Other Tyrants Who Have Used Children As Props

    You know who else exploited threats to children to achieve political ends??

    Riight. Unlike Richard Nixon, the Moral Majority, Ronald and Nancy Reagan, both George Bushes, Tipper Gore, Jack Chick, Focus on the Family, and every last fucking anti-choice crusader.

  234. tigris said,

    January 17, 2013 at 23:20

    You know, it’s kind of amazing that righties are pushing to limit weapon access for the mentally ill at the same time they’re pegging the crazy-meter.

  235. smut clyde said,

    January 17, 2013 at 23:26

    Lotsa Godwin violations over at Edroso’s place!

  236. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 17, 2013 at 23:37

    I love the headline writers at The Register:

    Pubic louse falls victim to eager Brazilian strippers

    Subhead is “Waxes wax, crabs wane”

  237. bbkf said,

    January 18, 2013 at 0:10

    Lotsa Godwin violations over at Edroso’s place!

    oh my…that is sumpin…

  238. Oregon Beer Snob said,

    January 18, 2013 at 0:34

    Lotsa Godwin violations over at Edroso’s place!

    And the comment section yielded an excellent band name mango:

    Guerrilla Bob and the Wolverines

    Hmm… also:

    Banned Name Mangoes

  239. Whale Chowder said,

    January 18, 2013 at 0:47

    Lotsa Godwin

  240. gocart mozart said,

    January 18, 2013 at 0:52

    Hey ladies, do you have man troubles? Pat Robertson has some important advice on how to improve your sex appeal.
    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/colbert-tells-ladies-theyd-better-live-sta

  241. gocart mozart said,

    January 18, 2013 at 1:02

    Cornfed Wanker says “They don’t understand asymmetrical warfare in the slightest, much less how it would be waged here. Let me give you just one small example of how a lone wolves or small teams can strike well beyond their size against a near defenseless leviathan.”

    Dear Mr. Homeland Security Guy,

    You won’t believe what I stumbled accross on the internet today: http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/shock-the-system/

    See also the comments. Someone told me that you are able to track IP addresses and email accounts. Is this true?

    Sincerely,

    A concerned citizen

  242. gocart mozart said,

    January 18, 2013 at 1:04

    I went to high school with a girl named Lotsa Godwin. She was Austrian I think.

  243. gocart mozart said,

    January 18, 2013 at 1:10

    Juicy juicy mangoes:

    “Very interesting read, this. Kept me up last thinking about it and I started wondering about unintended consequences like Jihad Sleeper Cells taking advantage of the chaos. What about other groups such as Neo Nazi White Supremacists, La Raza, Black Panthers seeing an opening to further their hate. What if maximum security prisons are affected by a downed grid and hardened prisoners overwhelming the system and escape. Ugly, ugly, ugly.
    Obama is playing with more than fire.”

    At least some people over there find this kind of talk uncivil. For example, this guy respectfully disagrees with the above and calls for cooler heads.

    “White Nationalists are your natural allies. We know the score regarding Marxists in our midst. Let’s nip the ‘friendly fire’ in the bud ok?”

  244. tigris said,

    January 18, 2013 at 1:10

    They don’t understand asymmetrical warfare in the slightest

    It’s altogether too bad we don’t have any sort of “armed forces” with decades of experience against this sort of warfare.

  245. S. cerevisiae said,

    January 18, 2013 at 1:15

    Not gonna click, gocart – does he reference Red Dawn?

    Oh and Smut- thanks! I remember that comic from ancient ages ago and it still makes me want to shout out “set your chickens free!” in random places.

  246. gocart mozart said,

    January 18, 2013 at 1:21

    Another terrorism “dissenter” because you know . . .
    “Also remember that even the most Democratic city still has many republicans in it. Are you willing to cut the power and water (and potentially kill) tens of thousands of your own?”

    Thanks for the concern dude.

  247. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 18, 2013 at 1:46

    “They don’t understand asymmetrical warfare in the slightest, much less how it would be waged here. Let me give you just one small example of how a lone wolves or small teams can strike well beyond their size against a near defenseless leviathan.”

    WWTJD?

    Jefferson became Virginia’s governor in June 1779 as the Revolutionary War had entered a new phase. The British decision to attack in the South would, if successful, have made Virginia the critical battleground. Jefferson struggled against huge odds to aid the southern army in defending its territory from the invading British.

    Early in 1781 the British invaded Virginia from the coast, slashed through to Richmond, and put the government to flight. In May, General Charles Cornwallis (1738–1805) marched his army of British soldiers into Virginia, and the government moved to the safer city of Charlottesville, Virginia. The Redcoats, or British soldiers, followed, and Jefferson was chased from Monticello.

    Wounded by the criticism of his retreat, Jefferson decided to quit public service.

  248. S. cerevisiae said,

    January 18, 2013 at 1:50

    I’m sure Cornfed Bob could find plenty of nice Middle Eastern folks who could help him with his plans…

  249. S. cerevisiae said,

    January 18, 2013 at 2:34

    Y’all really have to see this to believe it – it graphically illustrates the horrors Obama is inflicting on the average American.

    http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2013/01/15/five-finger-discount-six-figure-pout/

  250. Whale Chowder said,

    January 18, 2013 at 3:05

    Y’all really have to see this to believe it

    That’s been going around for the last couple of days…Turns up just about the time my blood comes off the boil and away I go again.

    I did the calculation, I think for the family, and I sincerely hope that the additional 3% taken from their income for taxes doesn’t force them to live on hobo beans and peanut butter at the end of every month. TRAGIC.

  251. Cerberus said,

    January 18, 2013 at 3:21

    New post.

  252. addercap said,

    January 18, 2013 at 6:27

    off topic

    Fenwick,

    Here’s an old friend, I’ve been looking for you.

    If you still hold fast to the last cold tome, please contact me:

    addercap@gmail.com

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