Dec
31

Down the Rabbit Hole




Posted at 4:18 by Cerberus


Curiouser and Curiouser and OH MY GOD, DEMONS!


Tintin adds an update: Guess who reads Sadly, No? Krugman does, and he gives Cerberus a link.


I imagine this job looks easy from the outside.

And you’re right!

I just find some wingnut saying something stupid, boot up the automatic witty retort software and hit stop when it hits 3 million words or so (and you thought verbosity like this was organic).

So as a special treat, I’m going to show you how we craft the articles you so love. So join us dear reader on this relaxing mango safari.

Let’s start with something simple. Let’s see… Ah, yes, this:

Steven Hayward, Powerline*:
Keyenes was Right-About the Jews?

So Steve, as a paid flak for AEI, has often had the unenviable task of pitting wingnut fantasies against Paul Krugman’s tyrannical skills of actual facts and history. By the first paragraph, it’s obvious his Washington Generals’ performance to Krugman’s Globetrotters has begun to wear at his soul.

So Paul Krugman phoned in his periodic “Keynes Was Right” column today, arguing that the Obama Porkulus failed only because, like “true” Communism, it wasn’t tried vigorously or faithfully enough.

Yeah, the single watered down version of the economic model that ended the Great Depression totally discredits it and demonstrates why we need to continue trying the model that started the Great Depression and has had zero success (despite being constantly tried).

What officer? Projection? I don’t see any projection here. That must also be something liberals do.

I wonder if Krugman also credits Keynes’s views on Jews, which British blogger Damian Thompson of The Telegraph brings to our attention.

Wow.

This is Stevie whimpering in the corner and calling time out. He doesn’t even have bullshit anymore to defend his economic worldview. And so he’s taken a page from the creationists and decided to just start throwing shit on the name to see if it sticks to the theory.

Cause hey, if Darwin was a racist then that totally would mean evolution was false, right?

Anti-Semitism used to be a property of the Right, yet it’s worth pointing out that today many of the intellectual heroes of the right are Jews, such as Milton Friedman, Leo Strauss, Irving Kristol, etc., or that anti-Semitism has become almost wholly the province of the Left today.

Why yes, Stevie just used an argument that an early 20th century liberal economic philosopher being anti-semitic is totally proof that modern liberals are anti-semitic. Apparently wingnuts are Time Lords, because that’s the only way that view of time makes sense.

Okay, so we’ve got an accusation of anti-semitism of a really old historical figure as if that mattered for either modern views of jews by liberals or the validity of his economic theories**. Well, let’s see that quote.

[Jews] have in them deep-rooted instincts that are antagonistic and therefore repulsive to the European, and their presence among us is a living example of the insurmountable difficulties that exist in merging race characteristics, in making cats love dogs …

It is not agreeable to see civilization so under the ugly thumbs of its impure Jews who have all the money and the power and brains.

Could be hate, could be snark, could just be that he’s from the early part of the 20th century where anti-semitism was so rampant that even after the Holocaust and the big life lesson that anti-semitism was wrong, none of the big world powers wanted to accept the refugees for fear that they would “Jew up” their countries.

I know, I’ll just follow the link and find the original source of this rapidly propogating smear campaign. That should be easy, right?

Come along readers, road trip!

Damian Thompson, The Daily Outmoded Communication Technology:
John Maynard Keynes on ‘repulsive’, ‘impure’, ‘ugly’ Jews

Did you know that John Maynard Keynes was a venomous anti-Semite who could have given Richard Wagner a run for his money? Me neither.

Wow, that’s bad! So what new quotes of perfidity does he have? Perhaps a stirring deconstruction of bigoted attitudes on par with the legendary breakdown of Gingrich’s defense of Belgium in the Congo?

.

It’s the same damn quote.

I’m not kidding, it’s just the widely circulating quote.

Well, at least there’s this mango to keep us company in the meantime.

If Keynes was an intellectual hero of the Right, rather than the Left, do you think those quotes would be so little known?

It is nice that sailing in the seas of Outer Wingnuttia, you can guide your ship by the glaring projection of each shore.

Yes, the quote that’s been moving through the wingnut echo chamber at Mach 12 and will probably appear on Fox News within the week is “little known”. I’m not even going to get into the “right wing people are always scrutinized personally and left wing people never are” bit because I fear my head would explode.

Okay, these shores are barren, who’d he link to? (Hmm, we’re getting low on supplies, hopefully that won’t be a problem)

Here are a couple of extracts from his writings, courtesy of Chris Dillow via Clive Davis’s Spectator blog:

Onward Pagan Soldiers!

Chris Dillow, Stumbling and Mumbling***:
Keynes’ Anti-Semitism

The ship’s starting to smoke a little, half the crew has starved to death and we’ve been forced to consume their remains. The shore is a sickly pink color and Typepad shaped. The navigation instruments are shot. We’re in the boonies of the wingnutosphere now. May Bob have mercy on our Poles****.

Well, at least its worth it, we’re here at the original source and hopefully some context and…

A quick look further shocked me. Nina Paulovicova quotes him thus (pdf):

FFFFFFF-

No. Okay, it’s fine, it’s fine. Well, let’s at least sample the local mangos before we depart once again. Cause that’ll happen and we’re not at all drifting in the sea of madness that is the endless circlejerk of wingnut “sources”. Ha… ha haha. Everything’s fine. Nothing to see here.

Even Keynes’ admirers (such as Skidelsky and Moggridge) agree that Keynes was anti-semitic – though in his favour it doesn’t seem to have stopped him supporting Jewish refugees or even Zionism.

My word, that sure is anti-semitic. Supporting Jewish refugees and Zionism. Seeing as how he died soon after World War II, so this would have been at the time like supporting full marriage rights for poly couplings. But don’t let me stop you from disproving the entire chain of fail you’ve unleashed on the world in your own damn post.

And of course, his view of Jews is irrelevant in assessing the relevance of Keynesian economics today; we should avoid the “poisoning the well“ fallacy.
But even so, doesn’t this attitude show that some people should be more careful who they choose as intellectual heroes?

It might just be the fact that I’m stranded at sea and half mad on rotted mangos, but I like this guy. Sure, he’s a right-wing fucknozzle, but he seems half-aware of the shit he’s doing and how off-topic it is.

Who stole my shoes?

But, but, yeah, voices hee hee hee, that would matter if liberals were authoritarian idiots who generated cults of personality around figures rather than acknowledging where their views on one subject align with reality. You know, if they were conservatives.

* It’s surely not good enough to defend Keynes by claiming (rightly) that anti-semitism was common at the time, given that Keynes spent so much of his life rejecting what he regarded as conventional attitudes and beliefs.

Yeah, stupid liberals, lissen to this guy, he makes sense! Why would we want to look at historical context or note that anti-semitism was wide-spread at the time of the writing (what time is it anyways?) and wasn’t really socially addressed until the 1960s. Cause that might cause people to realize that liberals not being perfect in history is the reason a lot of liberals constantly try and improve themselves so they don’t end up believing something that in 50 years will make them look like a real dick. And that would ruin the smear campaign…

Wait, where am I? Why am I covered in mango guts and shit? Sorry about that folks. Let’s just sail on to what is hopefully the primary source to this insanity.

Nina Paulovicova, University of Alberta, I Don’t Fucking Know Anymore:
The Immoral Moral Scientist. John Maynard Keynes.

The ship is gone. Eaten by a polar bear in the frozen Canadian wildnerness. The crew is gone, but I hear the voices of the readers pushing me on, deeper into the snow-peaked maple mountains of my stereotypical understanding of Canadian culture (Eh?).

Is this the original source? Is there an original source? I don’t know. All there is is the journey.

Naturally, one is intrigued by these hints of an
“inhuman” or “immoral” side of Keynes when confronted by
Braithwaite’s contradictory label of Keynes as “moral scientist” or
somewhat traditional classificatory labels such as “scientific political
economist” (Johnson and Johnson), a “great do-gooder” (James
Mead) or “more than economist,” which is Lydia Keynes` rather
simple but poignant assessment of her husband. It is no doubt that
one dimension of Keynes’ immorality refers to his early sexual
experience – homosexuality.

What the…*****

I’ve apparently stumbled into that most horrifying creatures. A wingnut who thinks they can hold their own academically. The long rambling writing thread approximates sense only haltingly. There is the argument that Keynes is anti-semitic, simply plopped down repeatedly before moving on to rant at how biographies don’t fixate enough on her random assertion.

It’s been 20 pages on these cold, cold Steppes and there is no approximation of argument to be seen. Biographers are pigs for not sharing her random obsession. My feet are mushrooms, I will fly into the sun. I fear my brain might be corroding by the second. I pray you all to tell my automatic post writing software that I love it.

When he was seventeen years old, J.M. Keynes wrote a
provocative essay, “The Differences between East and West: Will
They Ever Disappear?” Through the examples of the Chinese and the
Jews, the young Keynes tried to discover whether the European and
Oriental branches of human race would continue to live side by side
or whether eventually one would succeed in absorbing the other.
Jews were, in his teen view, the accursed race…”they have in them
deep-rooted instincts that are antagonistic and therefore repulsive to
the European, and their presence among us is a living example of the
insurmountable difficulties that exist in merging race characteristics,
in making cats love dogs”

Is that…? The quote at last? Is there any context to it or…? Of course not, why would there be? It’s only a scholarly research paper purporting to be about the racial attitudes of a historical figure, why bother deconstructing that shit when you can just reassert over and over again…

Wait. Stop.

Seventeen?

Seventeen?

SEVEN-FUCKING-TEEN?!?

We’re trying to discredit Keynesian economics, Keynes, and liberals in general, with something Keynes wrote as a fucking kid? Yeah, that’s going to have a clear picture of shit. I didn’t at all carry social baggage at 17, including worldviews I was embarrassed about a scant few years later. Why, no one did.

And of course, this also means that this was written before the turn of the century. You know, when Britain owned the globe like the ultimate slum lord, was smarting over the Boxer Rebellion and as a society we were still getting over the idea that some white people belonged to a different sect of Christianity (ha ha, racism against Irishmen and Italians), much less unpacking the idea that some people might belong to a different religion entirely.

But you know, why would that matter in how an upper class Brit might phrase things? It’d only be the dominant social views and phrasings of the time? And…

SEVENTEEN? Really, wingnuts? Really?!?

The following is an example of one of Keynes` frequently
cited utterances about which historians are particularly uneasy as
they indicate anti-Semitism as a part of Keynes’ worldview. Upon
meeting Einstein, Keynes reflected his impression as follows:

Yes, please, 20 pages late, give us something, anything!

He is a naughty Jew boy covered with ink –that kind of
Jew – the kind which has its head above water, the
sweet, tender imps who have not sublimated immortality
into compound interest. He was the nicest, and the only
talented person I saw in all Berlin, except perhaps old Fuerstenberg, the banker Lydia liked so much, and Kurt
Singer, two foot by five, the mystical economist from
Hamburg. And he was a Jew; and so was Fuerstenberg
and so was Singer. And my dear Melchior is Jew too.
Yet if I lived there, I felt I might turn anti-Semite.

Okay, I bite. What is the Jewish version of Gay Jungle Fever******?

So Keynes is a gay drama queen. The pages continue on like that, revealing his close advocacy of Jewish interests unlike any of his non-Jewish peers. The hatred, like Wagner’s overwhelms me with its proofs. I sought a simple question, what’s the source, and found only madness in this Arctic snow.

At least that’s what the invisible monkey keeps telling me. No, Beppo, it’s not time to kill them all. There’s one source left. The original teenybopper essay.

John Maynard Keynes, Random Essay written as Teenager:
The differences between East and West: will they ever disappear?

Is it over? Have I finally arrived?

I just wanted to write funny articles for the internet, why is this happening to me? No Beppo, it’s fine. We’re here. The mangos are over. I can read the original quotes in context and see for myself whether this off-topic smear campaign about whether or not a well-meaning liberal showed his privilege and the toxicity of his culture has any validity.

Cause…that would somehow matter. Like the wingnuts even really care about bigotry as anything other than to smear the “suspected heroes” of the people who point out their bigotries. As if it had anything to do with economic policy or modern liberal attitudes towards Jews. As if they could even get that right by actually citing something actually damning. Cause that would make the fish green.

But I need to see. Things have been so fractally wrong on every level, I’ve lost so much, I must know if there is a single thing they managed to get right or if every single thing they did was wrong on every single level possible.

I need to know. Beppo is making me need to know. Beppo says I can’t go home and cuddle my Post-Writing Software until I know. Why won’t you release me Beppo? No, don’t put me in the box. I’ll be good. It’s for the readers, nice mango cruise, no sweat, ha ha! It will all be worth it soon.

Right?

No further on-line information.

F-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!

(BEEP)

Hello, dear sirs and madams of the internet community, Sadly, No! I regret to inform you that Cerberus has been placed under heavy sedation following a recent…episode. It is unclear when she’ll be fit to post again upon the site

I like pie!

Dear lord, it’s worse, than I thought! When will these mango retrievers learn?

*Doesn’t that sound like the title of a gay skin mag? I can’t be the only one who sees that.

**To be fair, I’m not fully versed in Keynes’s writings, so maybe they are based in grinding up Jews and sacrificing them to a dark God in order to stimulate the economy. If so, I apologize profusely to Mr. Hayward.

***Really?!? REALLY? The uncreativity of wingnuts is beginning to hurt my brain.

****Yes. The reference is so much better with a veil on it.

*****There is nothing. I repeat nothing more painful to slog through than a wingnut trying to write a scholarly paper. It is filled to the brim with rambling half-points and uncited assertions and constantly raises up things without showing a single demonstration of what she’s trying to prove. If you feel like torturing yourself, I recommend you read the full article. I did and now I can’t even remember my own name.

******The Liberal media? Boom!

273 Comments »

  1. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    December 31, 2011 at 4:29

    FIRSTIES! GO CERB!

  2. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    December 31, 2011 at 4:33

    So Paul Krugman phoned in his periodic “Keynes Was Right” column today, arguing that the Obama Porkulus failed only because, like “true” Communism, it wasn’t tried vigorously or faithfully enough.

    Meanwhile, we have to give increased tax breaks to the “job creators”…

  3. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    December 31, 2011 at 4:37

    Totally OT, but, at the risk of sounding like I’m blogwhoring, I got two hits today for the search term “asses of face destruction”.

    The internet never ceases to amaze.

  4. address my envelope, lips! said,

    December 31, 2011 at 4:38

    I commend your sanity to the great Beyonds, and wish it well upon its journey, for I enjoyed it immensely from the safety of my computer desk.

    I was actually thinking that maybe Keynes had said that maybe just after WWII, which would be less forgiveable, but somewhat in keeping for the times. But shit one says at 17 should never be taken seriously. I mean, I thought I could control the weather, and I was still looking for that wardrobe with the door into Narnia.

  5. address my envelope, lips! said,

    December 31, 2011 at 4:39

    …actually, I’m still looking.

    Damn C.S. Lewis and his Christianity-whoring!

  6. Snowwy said,

    December 31, 2011 at 4:43

    Whoa. /neo

  7. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    December 31, 2011 at 4:48

    There is the argument that Keynes is anti-semitic, simply plopped down repeatedly before moving on to rant at how biographies don’t fixate enough on her random assertion.

    It’s the reverse Ouroboros, a snake shitting itself out of its own anus.

  8. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    December 31, 2011 at 4:58

    Wow. Just. Wow.

    How does one standing ovation on teh intarweebles? Unbelievable Cerberus, just fucking magnificent.

  9. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    December 31, 2011 at 5:00

    Aw, for damn.

    I’ll be back. Maybe tomorrow morning.
    .

  10. Another Kiwi said,

    December 31, 2011 at 5:09

    I learned the truth at seventeen,
    That economics meant beauty queens.
    In high school, girls with clear-skin smiles,
    Who married Jews and then retired.

    -Maynard G Keynes

  11. tigris said,

    December 31, 2011 at 5:10

    we should avoid the “poisoning the well“ fallacy.
    But even so, doesn’t this attitude show that some people should be more careful who they choose as intellectual heroes?

    Poisoning the well is so much worse than guilt by association or straw mannification.

  12. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    December 31, 2011 at 5:17

    we should avoid the “poisoning the well“ fallacy.

    You know who were often accused of poisoning wells?

  13. tensor said,

    December 31, 2011 at 5:34

    It’s just another riff on attacking Margaret Sanger for her supposed racism, whilst ignoring her very liberal attempts to help poor women, like my Irish Grandmother, keep from having children they could not afford. Meanwhile, Sanger and Keynes’ right-wing opponents were *also* horrendous bigots, held the same views that our wingnuts do now, but that does not matter because SHUT UP THAT’S WHY!!1!

  14. Smut Clyde said,

    December 31, 2011 at 5:37

    It is filled to the brim with rambling half-points and uncited assertions and constantly raises up things without showing a single demonstration of what she’s trying to prove.

    Enough non-sequiturs to fill a non-garden shed.

  15. john b said,

    December 31, 2011 at 6:20

    For what it’s worth, Chris Dillow (Stumbling & Mumbling) is a left-wing blogger and a Marxist economist.

  16. N__B said,

    December 31, 2011 at 6:23

    Seventeen-year-olds have been known to masturbate to Eileen Fisher catalogs. Do we really need to give their thoughts much weight?

  17. N__B said,

    December 31, 2011 at 6:24

    You know who were often accused of poisoning wells?

    Orson’s food taster?

  18. The Tragically Flip said,

    December 31, 2011 at 6:42

    I have this sort of Godwin’s law type thingy rattling around my head, which is that right wingers really only ever have 1 argument: Ad hominem. It’s all there is for them, it’s all just discrediting the source of things they don’t like. Al Gore is fat and has a big house and flies in planes. Michael Moore is fat and makes money off his movies. Global warming scientists just want research money. Occupy protesters are smelly and unemployed. Obama is a muslim. Michelle Obama eats hamburgers. Nancy Pelosi is ugly. Hillary Clinton is ugly. Bill Clinton murdered Vince Foster. Jimmy Carter hates Israel. The Frosts have granite countertops. People who oppose the Iraq war are traitors. People who oppose tax cuts are communists. Everyone who criticized the Bush administration was just trying to sell books. Every woman who accuses a famous conservative of any kind of sexual misbehaviour is just looking for attention.

    They do make attempts at other types of arguments, but when you consider the basic gist of the right wing argument in any given debate, a personality based argument against the primary proponents of the idea they don’t like is usually in the foreground. It’s typically the actual thesis of their position.

  19. jim said,

    December 31, 2011 at 7:16

    Epic post.
    Strongly agree: SEVENTEEN?!

    Imagine if they applied this standard to teh Pope.

    Better yet, imagine what sort of junior troglodyte Hayward was at that age.

    At that age I was fairly left-wingish but sexist, racist & homophobic enough to make Rush Limbaugh proud. Age can be an engine of stupidity too (PROTIP: birthday candles do not come with additional IQ points) but most of teh youngs just don’t have enough experience yet to avoid being more or less cretinous.

  20. Pryme said,

    December 31, 2011 at 7:22

    We lose so many Sadly posters this way. It’s like putting a rookie cop on Murder Alley. Guess we’re gonna need another Timmy Cerb.

  21. The Tragically Flip said,

    December 31, 2011 at 7:43

    Do they really want to attract attention to the wretched hive of scum and villainy that is the historical conservative cantina? Shall we start with, I don’t know, Winston Churchill?

    International Jews

    In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.

    I mean, I don’t know that I really want to call old churchy an antisemite, but he was an empire loving colonialist sort of bigot. And clearly no one could get away with writing this today outside of Stormfront.

  22. Substance McGravitas said,

    December 31, 2011 at 8:29

    Anyone who likes the Founding Fathers is objectively pro-slavery. And quoting the constitution is GENOCIDE.

  23. Smut Clyde said,

    December 31, 2011 at 8:56

    I am wounded and saddened by Cerberus’ failure to illustrate this post with the best Alice version EVAH.

  24. Steve said,

    December 31, 2011 at 9:45

    Better scholarship here:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/52357033/Was-Keynes-Anti-Semitic

    One wonders how many actually *read* the original paper (since it is archived in hardcopy only); woe indeed to most of us if our 17 year old selves’ writing was so well preserved…

  25. Assessment at Arbitrary Intervals | Just Above Sunset said,

    December 31, 2011 at 10:11

    [...] John Maynard Keynes or Paul Krugman be right about anything, ever? For a full analysis of all that see Cerberus at Sadly, No! – “Cause hey, if Darwin was a racist then that totally would mean evolution was false, [...]

  26. Cerberus said,

    December 31, 2011 at 10:29

    Steve-

    Yeah. Putting on the serious hat on, what little I could find seemed to basically paint the picture of well-meaning liberal with “acceptable racism” of the time. Equivalent might be that liberal guy who enthusiastically supports Obama, thinks Public Enemy is all that, and loves their daughter’s black boyfriend but laughs at Skids and Mudflap from Transformers 2, thinks blacks in the inner cities are just too much like the stereotype, and automatically assumes that the minority district is the “high-crime district” or the “dangerous area” you need to be on guard in.

    Not that it really mattered at all. He could have openly supported Hitler (like most of the conservatives of the era) or worse and it wouldn’t have changed the validity of his economic theories. Wagner was a complete fuck of a person but his music is still amazingly powerful.

    And yeah, the sudden “speculation” on the right-wing blogs about this “historical question” is entirely because they’ve run out of hand-waving about how his “economic theories are not serious” largely thanks to how Paul Krugman has kept on them about actual reality-based economic theory.

    Like creationists, when you can’t stand up on facts and you’ve run out of hand-waving distractions, it’s time to start character assassination.

    The great irony is of course that it should be easy. By modern standards any historical figure is going to be imperfect because of the many social victories minority groups have had. What was once “acceptable” becomes horrifyingly appalling by modern standards (because it was always appalling and still is appalling). If you want to smear without context it should be child’s play, but conservatives seemingly can’t do anything without knocking themselves out on fail, so we get things like this where they end up grasping on straws and making themselves look even more like dumbasses (cause they are).

  27. Fenwick in Curmudgeon Mode said,

    December 31, 2011 at 14:16

    The posts are beginning to inflate rather than expand. Howsabout a Shorter?

    Now all you young rascals get offa my lawn! ;-)

  28. Major Kong said,

    December 31, 2011 at 14:19

    Seventeen-year-olds have been known to masturbate to Eileen Fisher catalogs.

    I’ll be in my bunk.

  29. Fenwick said,

    December 31, 2011 at 14:31

    Last thread’s comments were snap-crackle-pop. This one seems sorta soggy.

    Can we haz new thread pleeze?

    *slips back into the shadows*

  30. actor212 said,

    December 31, 2011 at 15:00

    I’ll be in my bunk.

    For Eileen Fisher or for seventeen year olds fapping?

    Enquiring minds want to know!

  31. Major Kong said,

    December 31, 2011 at 15:03

    It’s a sick world and I’m a happy man.

  32. actor212 said,

    December 31, 2011 at 15:06

    It’s a sick world and I’m a happy man.

    Quit hogging the bunk

  33. Chyron HR said,

    December 31, 2011 at 15:45

    Anti-Semitism has become almost wholly the province of the Left today.</blockquote

    Yes, but that filthy scheming big-nosed money-grubbing George Soros keeps it all hushed up. You would know all about it if you'd read the Protocols of Saul Alinsky.

  34. Exford legs said,

    December 31, 2011 at 16:09

    reverse Ouroboros

    That would look cool on a ‘don’t tread on me’ flag

  35. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person said,

    December 31, 2011 at 16:56

    I have this sort of Godwin’s law type thingy rattling around my head, which is that right wingers really only ever have 1 argument: Ad hominem. It’s all there is for them, it’s all just discrediting the source of things they don’t like.

    This is Limbaugh’s stock in trade. I used to listen to his show a lot (I’m better now), and I don’t think I ever once heard him engage a non-conservative argument with anything but abuse. In the mind of a conservative, there is no need for a reasoned counter-argument. It would be, to them, like arguing up vs down, they are that certain of their position. Facts be damned, they know what they know, and shutupshutupshutup!

    “If the facts support your case, bang the facts. If the law supports your case, bang the law. If neither support your case, bang the table”
    Wingers default to Option 3, because, face it, that’s all they have.

    Hey, what’s the difference between Rush Limbaugh and Nikita Kruschev?* Nikita took his shoe off before he banged it on the table…

    *No, not “about 20 lbs” (I told that joke to a Real Professional Comedian once, and that was his answer).

  36. Major Kong said,

    December 31, 2011 at 16:59

    What’s the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg?

    One’s a flaming Nazi gasbag and the other’s a dirigible.

  37. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:12

    What’s the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg?

    One had a use for a while.
    .

  38. pedestrian said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:21

    It’s the reverse Ouroboros, a snake shitting itself out of its own anus.`

    Love

  39. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:27

    Snakes have cloacas. Just sayin’.
    .

  40. pedestrian said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:28

    Was his alleged homosexuality based on something that happened when he was seventeen? Because it isn’t gay if you don’t kiss.

  41. MarkusR said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:37

    Nutshell. Here it is.

  42. N__B said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:44

    Snakes have cloacas.

    I didn’t realize they spoke Latin. Quite impressive.

  43. Thread Bear said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:49

    When my older brother was 17 my father used to complain that a liberal high school drama teacher was turning him into a communist. Now my brither is in his 50s and he’s a frickin’ teatard. But next time I see him I will explain to him that great conservatives like Steven Hayward insist that people cannot change thier views after 17 and I’m absolutely certain he will immediately go back to being a far more sensible liberal pinko commie.

  44. Thread Bear said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:51

    I didn’t realize they spoke Latin. Quite impressive.

    No no, it’s a cloaca of invisibility.

  45. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:53

    No no, it’s a cloaca of invisibility.

    Okay, okay!

    But when your reverse Ouroboros looks like a letter “Q,” don’t say you weren’t warned!
    .

  46. N__B said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:57

    But when your reverse Ouroboros looks like a letter “Q,” don’t say you weren’t warned!

    Years ago, Harper’s ran a list of terms that ER doctors in London used to hide their meaning from patients. The title of the piece was “Hippocratic Oafs”. The “O” sign was a patient passed out with his/her mouth open; the “Q” sign was when the tongue was hanging out.

    My personal favorite was “GROLIES,” which stood for “Guardian reader of limited intelligence in an ethnic skirt.”

  47. tigris said,

    December 31, 2011 at 17:58

    I didn’t realize they spoke Latin. Quite impressive.

    I didn’t know they spoke at all, little bastards are always shushing everybody.

  48. Xecky Gilchrist said,

    December 31, 2011 at 18:05

    It makes sense that a wingnut, especially an Objectivist, would think something stupid someone believed in their teenage years is what they live by their entire life.

  49. Major Kong said,

    December 31, 2011 at 18:08

    Except that drinking, whoring and cocaine are apparently fine up until age 40 or so.

  50. pedestrian said,

    December 31, 2011 at 18:10

    Snakes have cloacas.

    Oh yeah, you libs love your science. But did you know that science once said that black people descended from apes? Who’s racist now?

  51. Thread Bear said,

    December 31, 2011 at 18:40

    Except that drinking, whoring and cocaine are apparently fine up until age 40 or so.

    But you must remember that this does not apply to everyone. IOKIYAR though.

  52. Snorghagen said,

    December 31, 2011 at 19:03

    Except that drinking, whoring and cocaine are apparently fine up until age 40 or so.

    Actually, you can keep on a-sinnin’ right up to the end, so long as you remember to periodically ask Jesus to forgive you. It’s a sweet deal.

    IOKIYAR though.

    That’s true. This offer of limitless hypocrisy does not apply to godless liberals.

  53. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    December 31, 2011 at 19:04

    Also, if you like cats chasing red dots, there’s this, but don’t put yourself out. There’s no way I’m gonna bust a quarter-million hits by midnight, so it’s not a big deal.
    .

  54. tigris said,

    December 31, 2011 at 19:10

    IOKIYAR though.

    That’s true. This offer of limitless hypocrisy does not apply to godless liberals.

    As the top post shows; people Republicans favor/agree with/etc have youthful indiscretions in their forties and beyond, people they don’t agree with etc are condemned for shit they wrote when they were 17.

  55. N__B said,

    December 31, 2011 at 19:12

    Somewhere, right now, a 17-year-old is writing War Horse/MLP slash fic.

  56. Major Kong said,

    December 31, 2011 at 19:17

    Has anyone here seen War Horse?

    The reviews have been decidedly mixed.

  57. N__B said,

    December 31, 2011 at 19:34

    Has anyone here seen War Horse?

    Regardless of how good the source material is, Spielberg will turn it into emotionally-manipulative pablum. I realized that my distaste for him had become loathing when I saw what he did to Empire of the Sun.

  58. N__B said,

    December 31, 2011 at 19:41

    Addendum and/or duodenum: I’m a big fan of J. G. Ballard’s writing, and the novel/memoir Empire of the Sun had the potential to be one of the most disturbing coming-of-age movies ever made…if not directed by Spielberg.

  59. Privatize the Profits! Socialize the Costs! said,

    December 31, 2011 at 19:47

    Hey, wingnuts! Remember when Keynes said this?

    “Those who have met Herr Hitler have found a highly competent, cool, well-informed functionary with an agreeable manner, a disarming smile, and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.”

    Oopsie! That wasn’t Keynes, it was Winston Churchill in the early thirties.

  60. Substance McGravitas said,

    December 31, 2011 at 20:14

    What’s the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg?

    I’ve given that some thought.

  61. McJohn said,

    December 31, 2011 at 20:51

    Yeah, so a gay guy indulges in anti-Semitism. Nice. I wish I could borrow the TARDIS for a second and explain to him the difference between “a nasty habit pursued in private” and “hate speech that will contribute to the slaughter of millions.”

    I admire Hanan Ashrawi, longtime Palestinian activist, for a number of reasons, chief among which is that she rejects anti-Semitism completely as a weapon, and that in a quiver that ain’t got a hell of a lot of arrows to boast. I think it’s probably that, more than being female or Christian, that has resulted in her being almost completely ignored as an activist.

    Sometimes I wonder how humanists keep going, seeing as how we’re, you know, members of the human race.

  62. Snorghagen said,

    December 31, 2011 at 21:15

    Those who have met Herr Hitler have found a highly competent, cool, well-informed functionary with an agreeable manner, a disarming smile, and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.

    Churchill was an asshole in many ways and said some despicable stuff – this recent thread at Crooked Timber has some hair-raising quotes – but the above comment about Hitler is pretty accurate. Adolf could be charming when he wanted to be and had an instinctive ability for finding the most effective ways of manipulating any given individual. In other words, a natural grifter.

    As I recall, Churchill and Hitler never met face to face.

  63. Matt said,

    December 31, 2011 at 21:19

    What’s really epic is watching the wingnuts attack Keynes for this, then go back to their regularly-scheduled Ron Paul knob-slobbering / newsletter-ignoring session…

  64. W. Kiernan said,

    December 31, 2011 at 21:44

    The ship is gone. The crew is gone, but I hear the voices of the readers pushing me on.

  65. Suezboo said,

    December 31, 2011 at 21:53

    Wow, Cerb. If Ollie North can get a medal for service, you should too. Thank the FSM you and your diaries have been restored to us. A grateful nation commends you.

  66. Steve said,

    December 31, 2011 at 21:58

    Cerebus -

    (Serious hat on for a moment as well)

    Right on the money my friend – unlike wingnuttia screeds, proper scholarship finds little to support that Keynes was much of a raving racist. I suspect most readers here have indeed held or spoken views when younger that were naive at best but managed to outgrow them (e.g. at about 8 years old and living in northern Ontario, I started to adopt some of the terrible language about First Nations – until my mom noted firmly and calmly that our own family lineage had First Nations origins on her dad’s side… even an 8 year old brain could figure out how stupid the attitude was after all…)

  67. Spearhafoc, who has obvious Asperger's said,

    December 31, 2011 at 22:00

    You know who else spoke highly of Hitler?

    Hitler!

  68. vacuumslayer Googles that for You said,

    December 31, 2011 at 22:33

    Liberals are the real racists…yada yada yada. *Yawn*

    That’s a yawn for wingnut projection and deflection and disingenuousness, not Cerb’s entry.

  69. Hogeye Grex said,

    December 31, 2011 at 23:54

    What’s the difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg?

    The Hindenburg carried some humanity within its bulk.

  70. Hogeye Grex said,

    December 31, 2011 at 23:56

    a highly competent, cool, well-informed functionary with an agreeable manner…

    I guess Bush really wasn’t like Hitler.

  71. Hogeye Grex said,

    January 1, 2012 at 0:04

    Also, too…

    I think teh hamsters are deaded.

  72. Balloon Juice » Powertools said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:11

    [...] is, hands down, the lamest attempt to smear someone as anti-Semitic as I have ever seen. Just [...]

  73. N__B said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:12

    I think teh hamsters are deaded.

    Drunk on champagne, more likely.

  74. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:17

    Regardless of how good the source material is, Spielberg will turn it into emotionally-manipulative pablum. I realized that my distaste for him had become loathing when I saw what he did to Empire of the Sun.

    In the source material, a boy’s life is changed forever when he forms a higher, purer emotional connection with the new horse his father buys, a thoroughbred instead of a shaggy broad-hooved draft horse. This beautiful racially pure horse (who somehow survives being put to the plow in Devonshire before the advent of motorized transport) ennobles all who witness it, and eventually unlike the demotic horse-filth that was understandably if tragically butchered for meat by the filthy, starving, ungrateful bastard French, it is rescued by the boy who, in chasing him into war, has now become a man.

    Not seeing how Spielberg could make it more emotionally manipulative or pabulumier. Certainly no possible way he could make it more British.

  75. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:21

    Also, true story: Michael Morpurgo runs a charity (as in an honest-to-god give-us-money-write-it-off charity) which sends inner city youth – you know, the Troubled and Difficult kind (who you will recall are being asked to rely on big society instead of big government) to do Honest Work on Traditional Farms in the Countryside.

    You will have noticed that when words fail us sometimes capital letters are all the consolation we have left.

  76. N__B said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:24

    Not seeing how Spielberg could make it more emotionally manipulative or pabulumier.

    Not to defend War Horse, which I’ve neither read nor have interest in reading, but Spielberg will find a way to make it manipulativest and pablumost.

  77. MikeBoyScout said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:30

    And then, Gnoot wept.

  78. N__B said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:31

    Also…

    In the source material, a boy’s life is changed forever when he forms a higher, purer emotional connection with the new horse his father buys, a thoroughbred instead of a shaggy broad-hooved draft horse. This beautiful racially pure horse

    Racial-pure Arabian Islamofascist, yes?

  79. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:34

    demotic horse-filth that was understandably if tragically butchered for meat by the filthy, starving, ungrateful bastard French

    Hey, knackers gotta knack!

  80. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:50

    I think teh hamsters are deaded.

    YOU try doing that stupid dance and listening to Roger Miller continuously for seven fucking years, and not die or WISH for death.
    .

  81. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:56

    Not to defend War Horse, which I’ve neither read nor have interest in reading, but Spielberg will find a way to make it manipulativest and pablumost.

    Bonus fact: fine Continental restaurants will retain a pabulummier who retains a generous fee (a 15% gratuity is customary) to pair your meal based on the main course with emotionally manipulative pap. You might balk at the cost, but it’s worth it. You won’t be able to go back to just watching Forrest Gump over your shrimp platter.

  82. vacuumslayer Googles that for You said,

    January 1, 2012 at 1:58

    I will never see “War Horse” because it combines 2 genres that could not interest me less: animal pictures and war pictures. That combo? Lethal.

  83. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 2:05

    If you can’t afford a pabulummier’s retainer the ground rule is this: for game Bambi, for any meal involving an ironic flambe Milk, for any meal involving an unironic flambe American Beauty; for white meats Fight Club, for gay meats Rent, and for seafood Titanic.

  84. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 2:09

    Oh, how foolish of me, I almost forgot: for turducken the classically-trained French pabulummier will always recommend Inception, not The Matrix; while it was once a popular pairing it is now relegated to penne dishes.

  85. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,

    January 1, 2012 at 2:15

    Happy New Years, ya slackers and such as.
    ~

  86. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 2:21

    YOU try doing that stupid dance and listening to Roger Miller continuously for seven fucking years, and not die or WISH for death.

    You got something against Roger Miller? That’s when I reach for my revolver, pal!

  87. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 1, 2012 at 2:41

    You got something against Roger Miller?

    SEVEN FUCKING YEARS, NON-STOP?!

    (actually, just checked it… I guess Roger’s suit was successful)
    .

  88. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 1, 2012 at 2:51

    Chug-a-lug everybody!

  89. Major Kong said,

    January 1, 2012 at 2:59

    demotic horse-filth that was understandably if tragically butchered for meat by the filthy, starving, ungrateful bastard French

    I remember seeing cheval in the French supermarkets. It actually looked good, very red, very lean, but I just didn’t have it in me to try it.

  90. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 3:16

    I remember seeing cheval in the French supermarkets. It actually looked good, very red, very lean, but I just didn’t have it in me to try it.

    It’s good- I had Bistecca di Cavallo in Treviso, and it was very tasty. I’ve also had Pferdfleisch in Zurich. It’s just foreign to Americans to knock Trigger over the head and eat him when he breaks his leg.

  91. kg said,

    January 1, 2012 at 3:36

    alec, your blog is cool.

  92. N__B said,

    January 1, 2012 at 3:40

    I remember seeing cheval in the French supermarkets. It actually looked good, very red, very lean, but I just didn’t have it in me to try it.

    NYS legalized horsemeat in the 70s and my mother brought some home. I remember it as tough.

  93. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 4:06

    NYS legalized horsemeat in the 70s and my mother brought some home. I remember it as tough.

    I’ve never seen it in the supermarket… I’d actually buy it if it were available.

  94. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 1, 2012 at 4:22

    It’s just foreign to Americans to knock Trigger over the head and eat him when he breaks his leg.

    I was the only one (of eight) on today’s epic ride that noticed the dead horse that some asshat left at the end of a gravel road coming out of the Cheatham Wildlife Management Area next to Wiley Pardue Road. Good thang Michelle missed it, as she would have lost her mind.
    .

  95. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 4:25

    alec, your blog is cool.

    I aim to please, and also to blog.

    NYS legalized horsemeat in the 70s and my mother brought some home. I remember it as tough.

    I’ve never seen it in the supermarket… I’d actually buy it if it were available.

    Allow me to do my standard furious mustang speech:

    Sometime in the 70s, the proper authorities basically planned to sterilize the Western wild horse, on the basis that they are decrepit animals living in a marginal ecosystem. Mostly because they were invasive: no plants native to the Basin and Range zone have roots deep enough and hardy enough to survive being grazed by horses, so these ravenous wild animals would basically destroy every plant holding a sink or other area of moisture together; worse, several non-native plants were compatible with horse grazing – the worst of which being tamarisk, or salt cedar, which then proceeded to destroy any plants hardy and lucky enough to live with their salt-weeping branches.

    Then a massive grassroots campaign was launched throughout the West and throughout the country, relying extensively on a coalition of paranoid anti-gubbit types, cowboy nostalgics, and horse girls who refused to grow up – and the culling body was legally forced to allow a breeding population to persist in vast reservations, with provisions so that breeding animals could be adopted by private citizens for any reason they chose.

    The punchline is that mustangs are terrible animals no one who is even remotely interested in horses could love. Scrofulous, mangy, extensively inbred, sickly, and hostile. No one would ever want to adopt one, but it is vital for the Ronald Reaganness of America that mustang adoption always be an option.

    And that, in short, is the meta-punchline to every shirt with a horse, a wolf, and an Indian on it.

  96. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 1, 2012 at 4:42

    To be fair to said asshat, it is entirely possible that the horse died this very day, and they were coming back for it. I only saw it in passing at 30mph, but it looked pretty fresh to me.
    .

  97. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 4:54

    Mostly because they were invasive

    Pedantic bastard notes that Equus most likely originated in North America, went extinct about 10,000 years ago, and was reintroduced by the conquistadors. Its “invasive” status is more complicated than that of, say, purple loosestrife or Japanese knotweed.

  98. jim said,

    January 1, 2012 at 5:15

    Happy Hogmannay/ Janus/ New Year’s!

    2012: Year Of The Dragon YOUR MOM.

  99. Pupienus said,

    January 1, 2012 at 5:16

    So Sadly,No! and the upside-downers are now living in the future. Here where it is still 2011 we want to know what wonders 2012 will bring.

    Also too, didn’t the US recently relegalize horse fleisch?

  100. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 5:22

    Happy Hogmannay/ Janus/ New Year’s!

    Hogmannay sounds like “hogmaws”… Pup, you grew up in Pennsyltucky, ever have hogmaws on New Year’s Day?

  101. The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge said,

    January 1, 2012 at 5:26

    Also too, didn’t the US recently relegalize horse fleisch?

    I had no idea that it was ever illegal. In 3rd or 4th grade our school cafeteria went through a period of feeding us what I later realized (because of its revival during one of the periodic meat panics of the ’70s) was horsemeat. It was not unlike beef, but rather coarse-fibered and had a distinctive taste of sweat.

    Ah, the 70s! I remember the meat panic, the coffee panic, the chocolate panic, the toilet-paper panic, the antifreeze panic,a couple of gasoline panics—anybody care to add to the list?

  102. The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge said,

    January 1, 2012 at 5:29

    horse fleisch

    Besides, not enough consonant clusters—it should be “Pferdfleisch”.

    Well, Happy not-2011-any-more to one and all! I’m not drunk yet, but give me another 10 or 15 minutes.

  103. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 5:30

    Ah, the 70s! I remember the meat panic, the coffee panic, the chocolate panic, the toilet-paper panic, the antifreeze panic,a couple of gasoline panics—anybody care to add to the list?

    Swine flu panic

  104. Pupienus said,

    January 1, 2012 at 5:49

    I grew up in a small, very German town in the wilderness of north central / northwest PA. Hog maws is more of central, SE Pa thing. I HAVE had hog maws but not for NYD.

    We have always had basically what I’m making tomorrow. ‘Course, I don’t do it quite like they do. I have a pork loin roast ready for brining tomorrow morning. My brother makes about a metric fuckton of sauerkraut every year and we have to beg him to send us some but he always does. The sauerkraut – totally unlike any store bough crap you’ve ever had, it’s slightly sweet and just a wee bit tangy – gets braised with onions, white wine, bay leaf, diced apple, caraway seed. For like, five or six hours, k? The pork loin, liberally seasoned with salt pepper and thyme, goes on a roasting rack in a pan with more white wine, chopped carrots and onions and celerouses. It gets loosely tented with foil and roasted. After a while, the foil is removed and as the liquid evaporates, chicken stock is added in small doses AFTER there’s some browning in the pan. Rinse and repeat. Garlic mashed potatoes. Green beans boiled with diced speck, chopped onions and white vinegar. Meisel’s rye bread, a recipe my sister has won blue ribbons with at the Grange fair several times. Umm, so yeah, you make a gravy with the pan juices. It’s fine. I couldn’t find Bitburger at Safeway and Straub’s – the beer I grew up with (one of the Straub kids was in my high school class, the graduation party was truly a never ending keg) is just fucking unavailable on this side of the country so I settled for Stella Artois. sorry OBS et al., It just has to hew close to tradition sometimes.

  105. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 1, 2012 at 5:50

    anybody care to add to the list?

    The “I’m sleeping with a girl named Belva?” panic.
    .

  106. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 1, 2012 at 6:02

    (that last one may have been a localized panic)
    .

  107. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 6:11

    Pedantic bastard notes that Equus most likely originated in North America, went extinct about 10,000 years ago, and was reintroduced by the conquistadors. Its “invasive” status is more complicated than that of, say, purple loosestrife or Japanese knotweed.

    I will be the first to admit calling mustangs “invasive” is a bit of a walk, but in being reintroduced without their local competition and predators they’re as devastating as anything that is invasive sensu stricto. That’s what the informal definition of “invasive” is anyway – an animal which is a nuisance because what would have suppressed its ability to eat and breed is no longer a factor.

    If you were to kill every wild herbivore bigger than a squirrel anywhere else the horse’d fuck their ecosystem up too, invasive or no.

  108. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 6:15

    I had no idea that it was ever illegal. In 3rd or 4th grade our school cafeteria went through a period of feeding us what I later realized (because of its revival during one of the periodic meat panics of the ’70s) was horsemeat. It was not unlike beef, but rather coarse-fibered and had a distinctive taste of sweat.

    Might it have been some manner of venison or beefalo? Both of those were a big deal in the 70s, much like bell-bottoms, Carlos the Jackal, and driving in cars.

    So Sadly,No! and the upside-downers are now living in the future. Here where it is still 2011 we want to know what wonders 2012 will bring.

    Horseflesh!

  109. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 6:17

    The sauerkraut – totally unlike any store bough crap you’ve ever had, it’s slightly sweet and just a wee bit tangy – gets braised with onions, white wine, bay leaf, diced apple, caraway seed.

    I have a perma- bigos that I keep adding cabbage, onions, and delicious pork products to… I think I’ll finish it off sometime next week year.

    I will be the first to admit calling mustangs “invasive” is a bit of a walk, but in being reintroduced without their local competition and predators they’re as devastating as anything that is invasive sensu stricto.

    That’s one reason why the reintroduction of the grey wolf is an interesting development in the West (ranchers be damned). There’s a group which wants to reintroduce the wolf to NY’s Adirondack State Park.

  110. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 1, 2012 at 6:20

    2012: Year Of The Dragon YOUR MOM.

    Yes. A Happy Your Mom to everybody. Oh wait, I’ve already got that covered.

  111. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 6:23

    So Sadly,No! and the upside-downers are now living in the future. Here where it is still 2011 we want to know what wonders 2012 will bring.

    Injections!

    Fur coats!

    The smell of rain!

    Jewish holidays!

    Bourbon whiskey!

    Gilt hardwood!

    Water purification!

    Brown eggs!

    Apple Computers!

    Soft, forest-green stool!

    Hunger!

    Want!

    Chinese politicians!

    Memes!

    Horseflesh!

    Injections!

  112. 4jkb4ia said,

    January 1, 2012 at 6:53

    OMG, that was so stupid I couldn’t read to the end.

    Gertrude Himmelfarb wrote that no one in Bloomsbury ever forgot that Leonard Woolf was a Jew, and that may be better evidence than anything adduced up there.

  113. The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge said,

    January 1, 2012 at 7:07

    Might it have been some manner of venison or beefalo? Both of those were a big deal in the 70s, much like bell-bottoms, Carlos the Jackal, and driving in cars.

    No, like you say, they were a big deal in the ’70s, and so was horsemeat when the price of beef skyrocketed. It was then I remembered that strange meat in our school lunches 10 or 12 years before.

    (The ’70s meat panic was when they started pushing textured vegetable protein, too. Now, they have versions of that nowadays that aren’t terrible, but that first-generation TVP and barley I ate during the Boeing Depression™ will stay with me a long time.)

  114. Smut Clyde said,

    January 1, 2012 at 7:21

    the culling body was legally forced to allow a breeding population to persist in vast reservations, with provisions so that breeding animals could be adopted by private citizens for any reason they chose.

    Relieved I am to learn that this is not an exclusively NZ form of stupidity:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaimanawa_horse
    Same story. The conservation authorities wanted to exterminate the brutes, only to run up against a few vocal nitwits for whom anything of an equine nature is a cuddly Thelwell pony. The high-profile adoption / domestication projects ended in extermination anyway, when the adopted horses were found starving to death on the back paddock of this farm or that, but changing the policy now would involve an admission of error and so is not an option.

    Therefore no feral pferdfleisch in the Smut diet and therefore sadness.

  115. N__B said,

    January 1, 2012 at 7:27

    we want to know what wonders 2012 will bring.

    Ron Paul, President; airships. These two facts are not unrelated.

  116. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 7:28

    Same story. The conservation authorities wanted to exterminate the brutes, only to run up against a few vocal nitwits for whom anything of an equine nature is a cuddly Thelwell pony.

    To judge from the seeming base pair of the US and NZ – that is, a society built by a largely non-British immigrant population systematically butchering the locals; and a society built by a largely British immigrant population that never could quite subjugate the locals – for whatever they may say different, the most deeply-held and precious moral belief of the Britons is that every horse is sacred & every horse is good.

    Really, I bet we’d sooner abandon democracy and trial by jury than grow horses to eat.

  117. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 7:31

    Ron Paul, President; airships. These two facts are not unrelated.

    The freer the market the freer the injections.

    Don’t tread on horse!!

  118. The Priests of the Temples of Syrinx said,

    January 1, 2012 at 8:14

    Attention all planets of the Solar Federation
    Attention all planets of the Solar Federation
    Attention all planets of the Solar Federation
    We have assumed control
    We have assumed control
    We have assumed control

  119. Canto XXIII (The Gluttons) said,

    January 1, 2012 at 13:51

    Ah yes, Bitburger Pils–”Bitte ein Bit, bitchez!” I saw some the other day at the MacDill AFB Class 6 store and might have bought it, ‘cept it was payday and the lines were out the door. Also: No skivilians allowed. Sorry.

  120. The Dark Avenger said,

    January 1, 2012 at 15:48

    I bet we’d sooner abandon democracy and trial by jury than grow horses to eat.

    The last time horsemeat was eaten widely in this country was during WWII, the Harvard Club used to have it on it’s menu post-WWII until selling it for human consumption was banned.

    Also, horses consume a lot of resources compared to other animals, a bale of hay is almost 20$ these days so that’s 140$/week. You’d be better off breeding goats, sheep, or miniature cattle if your goal is a carnivorous diet.

    Reasons for the taboo

    In some countries, the effects of this prohibition by the Roman Catholic Church have lingered and horse meat prejudices have progressed from taboos, to avoidance, to abhorrence.[19] In other parts of the world, horse meat has the stigma of being something poor people eat and is seen as a cheap substitute for other meats, such as pork and beef.

    According to the anthropologist Marvin Harris,[6] some cultures class horse meat as taboo because the horse converts grass into meat less efficiently than ruminants. When breeding cattle or sheep for meat, a cow or a sheep will produce more meat than a horse if fed with the same amount of grass.

  121. Major Kong said,

    January 1, 2012 at 16:20

    I tend to agree with Oscar Wilde when it comes to horses: “Dangerous at both ends and uncomfortable in the middle”.

  122. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 1, 2012 at 17:26

    Many Sadlies must be feeling as if they were et by a goat, and shat over a cliff this morning.
    .

  123. The Dark Avenger said,

    January 1, 2012 at 17:27

    Are you sure he wasn’t talking about Ms MacDonald?

  124. Exford legs said,

    January 1, 2012 at 18:52

    pferdfleisch

    Yeah, those consonant clusters are a bit chewy

  125. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 19:04

    Many Sadlies must be feeling as if they were et by a goat, and shat over a cliff this morning.

    Eaten by a grue!

    Yeah, those consonant clusters are a bit chewy

    Kinda like pferdfleisch.

  126. Lyrebird said,

    January 1, 2012 at 19:11

    This is Stevie whimpering in the corner and calling time out.

    But wait, there’s more!!! He also gets to smirk at the added cleverness of using the anti-Semitic writings of the teenage proto-economist to discredit…. a Jewish economist! Nyuk nyuk nyuk. Bet no one’s ever thought of that before!

    Very sad.

    Thank you so much for turning a sad reader into a hysterically laughing glad reader!

  127. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 1, 2012 at 19:19

    We’re having an unspooled tornado, today.
    .

  128. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 19:25

    But wait, there’s more!!! He also gets to smirk at the added cleverness of using the anti-Semitic writings of the teenage proto-economist to discredit…. a Jewish economist! Nyuk nyuk nyuk. Bet no one’s ever thought of that before!

    Black people are the real racists!!!

  129. Pupienus said,

    January 1, 2012 at 19:28

    I read “unspooled tomato.” I need to pop that cork and get the mimosas going.

    Popping the cork.

  130. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 19:41

    Christmas came early

  131. jim said,

    January 1, 2012 at 19:58

    Unspooling the tornado.

    You say “Christmas” – I say “pupil-rape.”

    I yearn a wee bit of firy yearning like a crushed-out sophomore to see Santorum chosen as the GOP’s #2 man in 2012.

  132. Pupienus said,

    January 1, 2012 at 20:18

    Santorum? Number two? I see what you do there.

  133. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 1, 2012 at 20:24

    You say “Christmas” – I say “pupil-rape.”

    The two go hand in hand at Catholic school.

  134. Big Bad Bald Bastard said,

    January 1, 2012 at 20:46

    I yearn a wee bit of firy yearning like a crushed-out sophomore to see Santorum chosen as the GOP’s #2 man in 2012.

    In the tradition of the unwanted Mormon Baptism of the Dead, I think a liberal religious group should gay-marry Romney and Santorum.

  135. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 20:50

    The freer the market the freer the injections.

    Into your jaw – right through the gum and into the bone.

    America is a republic, NOT a democracy.

    Into the thick muscle of your ass cheek.

    God help us if we were ever a democracy – that’s Greek for mob rule.

    Through the gap in your ribs and into your lung.

    Can you even imagine?

    Between the bones of your shoulder or knee or knuckle and right into the tender strand in the middle of the joint.

    Mobs of illiterate peasants voting for whatever candidate promises them the most injections.

    Into your genitals – your genitals personally; maybe up your urethra.

    I mean, that’s what we’d all do, if we didn’t have a conscience, right?

    Into the watery mass of tissue around the lumbar spine.

    We can’t let moochers legislate away our injections.

    Through a hole punched in the skull by a drill.

    We are a nation of laws, not men.

    Happy new year!

  136. Dennnis said,

    January 1, 2012 at 21:16

    Libs won’t be happy until the whole United States resembles Detroit.

    Even then, they’ll still blame the blight on conservatives for not agreeing to a 90% top tax rate and another quadrupling of the deficit.

  137. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 21:28

    Libs won’t be happy until the whole United States resembles Detroit.

    Even then, they’ll still blame the blight on conservatives for not agreeing to a 90% top tax rate and another quadrupling of the deficit.

    An injection into the fat your body keeps depositing on your thighs WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS I AM A MAN

  138. Smut Clyde said,

    January 1, 2012 at 21:37

    According to the anthropologist Marvin Harris,[6] some cultures class horse meat as taboo because the horse converts grass into meat less efficiently than ruminants.

    Marvin Harris gives me the shits, with his rationalist just-so stories to account for anything. If a culture doesn’t eat horse meat it’s because ruminants are more efficient… if a neighbouring culture doesn’t eat beef it’s because they need the cows for agriculture. Whatever.

  139. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 21:42

    Marvin Harris gives me the shits, with his rationalist just-so stories to account for anything. If a culture doesn’t eat horse meat it’s because ruminants are more efficient… if a neighbouring culture doesn’t eat beef it’s because they need the cows for agriculture.

    I don’t even know who Marvin Harris is but I heartily approve of this message.

    Also, as vegetarians will never be tired of reminding us (maybe because it’s kind of a good point? except meat is delicious??) even the most efficient ruminants represent an incredibly low ratio of edible plant calories to edible meat calories.

    To my mind you only need a just-so story to explain something so mind-bogglingly counterproductive it should otherwise result in foreign enslavement or internal collapse into barbarism (nation-wide corvee labor for generations to build giant limestone cones, Japan abandoning the firearm, etc). Eating horses or swine or sheep or kine is not sufficient by itself.

  140. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 21:46

    Nota bene: as Diamond gets into (he is not as sexy as he was among smartey men but I am not a clever boy) the category of ‘inexplicable civilization-destroying catastrophe’ can have as low a lower bound as ‘raising pigs for big men on a fragile Pacific island’.

    And I can understand the temptation. What a beautiful world it would be if the sun only ever set on the French empire because their enclosures and battery farms played home to cheval, and if all Palestine required were Marmite and all runaways needed was oxygen in the blood, etc.

    But it’s demonstrably not the one we inhabit, so?

  141. Anonymous said,

    January 1, 2012 at 21:46

    Libs won’t be happy until the whole United States resembles Detroit.

    Wink wink, nig nig, know what I mean?

  142. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 1, 2012 at 21:52

    That Ike sure put the country in the shitter, boy.

    Same Birchers who railed against him are alive and well.
    .

  143. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 21:56

    hat Ike sure put the country in the shitter, boy.

    Same Birchers who railed against him are alive and well.

    CALIFORNIA UBER ALLES

  144. Smut Clyde said,

    January 1, 2012 at 21:58

    I don’t even know who Marvin Harris is but I heartily approve of this message.

    His approach to anthropology could explain everything* and predict nothing. Not much help.

    * Including things that never existed, like “systematic cannibalism in Mesoamerican cultures”.

  145. alec said,

    January 1, 2012 at 22:07

    For the puzzled, Hat Ike. (Cowboy bonus: 2X.)

  146. Pupienus said,

    January 1, 2012 at 23:13

    If raising animals for their sweet delicious tasty fatty rich tasty tasty meat is a bad idea then why do they have Brontosauri in those big underground ranches of the moon? Answer me that Mr. Smartypants!

  147. Sad Things (Wonkish and Trivial) - NYTimes.com said,

    January 2, 2012 at 0:40

    [...] many others to share his pessimism.Another day in the life.Update: And the offending Keynes quote apparently comes from an essay he wrote when he was [...]

  148. Shell Goddamnit said,

    January 2, 2012 at 0:58

    Holy fuck, Cerb, you got linked by Krugman.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/sad-things-wonkish-and-trivial/

  149. Shell Goddamnit said,

    January 2, 2012 at 1:02

    Holy fuck, Shell, the automatic relinker thingie is a lot faster than you are, ya big dummy.

  150. Whale Chowder said,

    January 2, 2012 at 1:25

    All right, which one of you magnificent bastards is Krugman?

  151. vacuumslayer said,

    January 2, 2012 at 1:38

    Holy fuck, Cerb, you got linked by Krugman.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/sad-things-wonkish-and-trivial/

    Jesus Christ. Remember us when you’re famous, Cerb.

    How cool is that?

  152. vacuumslayer said,

    January 2, 2012 at 1:40

    BTW, quick note for iPhone users: I was having trouble with my phone’s screen going black when I made phonecalls. It would just black out and cease to work, no ability to access the screen; it was like having a dead phone. Gave me a devil of a time. I was convinced there was something horribly wrong with my phone.

    I finally got around to googling the problem. Turned out the fix was simple: my cheap protective cover was blocking some sensor. I took it off–PROBLEM SOLVED.

    I just wanted to write this down somewhere in case someone out there was having the same problem. Goddamn, that was driving me nuts.

  153. vacuumslayer said,

    January 2, 2012 at 1:41

    All right, which one of you magnificent bastards is Krugman?

    And must you be so shrill?

  154. vacuumslayer said,

    January 2, 2012 at 1:46

    BTW, in celebration of the new year, I decided to watch “The McLaughlin Group” this morning. The new year just isn’t the New Year if you don’t immediately get hit with this feeling first thing in the morning. Anyway, the ancient, evil wizard who heads the panel asked his ancient panelists what the best use of government money for 2011 was.The lone woman on the panel mentioned insurance for the unemployed. Mort “I’m a Useless Colostomy Bag Overflowing with Shit” Zuckerman said drone strikes. So did Rich “OMFG I’m Starbursting in my Fucking Pants for Bombs Right Now OH FUCK YEAH AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGH!” Lowry also praised the drone strikes.

    I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

  155. Paul Krugman: Sad Things (Wonkish and Trivial) | MG-PT said,

    January 2, 2012 at 1:46

    [...] And the offending Keynes quote apparently comes from an essay he wrote when he was 17. GA_googleAddAttr("AdOpt", "1"); [...]

  156. Paul Krugman said,

    January 2, 2012 at 1:48

    Tl;dr

    Executive summary, please.

  157. Another Kiwi said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:03

    Tintin and Carl are Krugman

  158. Shell Goddamnit said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:03

    2 tings:

    1. Love the Paul Krugman “Tl;dr”

    2. This epic journey by Cerb deserves specific accolades besides “paul krugman linked to it” because it is extremely very muchly wonderful and I am grateful to have been privileged to read (among other things) “It’s been 20 pages on these cold, cold Steppes and there is no approximation of argument to be seen. Biographers are pigs for not sharing her random obsession. My feet are mushrooms, I will fly into the sun. I fear my brain might be corroding by the second. I pray you all to tell my automatic post writing software that I love it” in the original Sadly. Thank you.

  159. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:09

    Teh Krugthulu linkage is a sweet ass Fuck You to all teh Cerb h8rs. GO CERB!

    Almost as sweet as teh idea of urbane and edumacated sophisticates what read teh New York Times wading through this comment thread.

  160. vacuumslayertse said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:09

    We are all Paul Krugman.

  161. alec said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:10

    Almost as sweet as teh idea of urbane and edumacated sophisticates what read teh New York Times wading through this comment thread.

    Horseflesh, also.

  162. Fenwick said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:15

    why do they have Brontosauri in those big underground ranches of the moon?

    That was a Government Secret, Pup. Now you must die.

  163. Major Kong said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:20

    It’s Krugmanrific!

  164. The Dark Avenger said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:21

    If a culture doesn’t eat horse meat it’s because ruminants are more efficient… if a neighbouring culture doesn’t eat beef it’s because they need the cows for agriculture. Whatever.

    It is true that horsemeat takes more feed to produce than beef, etc.

    they’ll still blame the blight on conservatives for not agreeing to a 90% top tax rate and another quadrupling of the deficit.

    Then let’s get out of Afghanistan, pull our military out of most of the world, or would peace then be too expense, Dennnis?

    Nice of you to stand up for the 1%, tugging your forelock for your financial betters always suited you somehow.

  165. alec said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:24

    Then let’s get out of Afghanistan, pull our military out of most of the world, or would peace then be too expense, Dennnis?

    Nice of you to stand up for the 1%, tugging your forelock for your financial betters always suited you somehow.

    Injections into bone marrow; injections in between the teeth.

    Injections through the eardrum.

    Injections!

  166. Smut Clyde said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:28

    Injections into bone marrow; injections in between the teeth.

    Am I wrong to be singing this to the tune of “Flaming Telepaths”?
    According to the Frau Doktorin, yes, I am.

  167. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:31

    What is it with teh obsession about injections. What about outjections?

  168. Fenwick in Non-Curmugeon Mode said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:33

    Congrats, Cerb!

    (I’m not a Blue Meanie, honest!)

  169. Major Kong said,

    January 2, 2012 at 2:39

    Am I wrong to be singing this to the tune of “Flaming Telepaths”?

    Needs more cowbell.

  170. g said,

    January 2, 2012 at 3:15

    Acutally, Keynes’s essay was written by an employee of his, he didn’t even read it, and he totally disavows it.

    I’m sure that, so far into this comment thread, someone else has already made this point.

  171. N__B said,

    January 2, 2012 at 3:16

    Diamond gets into (he is not as sexy as he was among smartey men but I am not a clever boy) the category of ‘inexplicable civilization-destroying catastrophe’

    Particularly in the remake of The Jazz Singer.

  172. Exford legs said,

    January 2, 2012 at 3:17

    KRUGMAN ISRAEL

    Fucking also, I leave Sadly for a few months and come back to this bizarro world? GOODNESS ME

  173. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 2, 2012 at 3:24

    re: horseflesh

    Can’t do it. Not because I revere teh equine Invisible Pink Unicorn – but because as a web troll, “Horse” means this guy.

  174. Seth said,

    January 2, 2012 at 3:39

    @T. Flip:

    “Global warming scientists just want research money.”

    What I love especially about this judo move is that financial self-interest is suddenly an obviously *evil* thing when a liberal is suspected of it.

  175. El Manquecito said,

    January 2, 2012 at 4:01

    Shrill!

  176. tensor said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:15

    “Global warming scientists just want research money.”

    The problem is really more that they don’t obtain all of their research money from Big Time Carbon Emitters LLC, complete with strings a web of lies pre-attached. That would be all proper-lich freemarketeery.

  177. Bitter Scribe said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:19

    I heard that Keynes was once rude to a waiter, too, which discredits everything he ever said or did.

  178. Pupienus said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:19

    Pferdleisch, Pferdfleisch
    Every morning i eat you
    Red and white, lean to the bite
    I am happy to eat you
    Product we grow may you fatten and grow
    Fatten and grow forever
    Pferdfleisch, Pferdfleisch
    Grace my grill pan forever

  179. Fenwick said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:26

    That was eloquent, Pup.

  180. Fenwick said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:30

    Pup: I know you like to make sauces from scratch. Do you make your own Worcestershire sauce? If so, how? If not, what do you purchace? Do you use Worcestershire in any recipes?

  181. Correction said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:32

    You have gotten Chris Dillow quite wrong. Read more of his stuff. Left wing.

  182. Major Kong said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:37

    Do you make your own Worcestershire sauce?

    I have a recipe for Worcestershire sauce from one of Emeril Lagasse’s cookbooks. I haven’t tried it because it looks like more trouble than it’s worth.

    It involves reducing the sauce for around 6 hours and then aging it for 2 weeks before you can use it.

  183. rodert rudis said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:40

    New Years in N’awlins is improving.

  184. N__B said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:40

    It involves reducing the sauce for around 6 hours and then aging it for 2 weeks before you can use it.

    The rest of the bloody will have wilted by then.

  185. The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:47

    Pferdleisch, Pferdfleisch
    Every morning i eat you
    Red and white, lean to the bite
    I am happy to eat you
    Product we grow may you fatten and grow
    Fatten and grow forever
    Pferdfleisch, Pferdfleisch
    Grace my grill pan forever

    “Oh lutefisk

    Oh, lutefisk

    How pungent your aroma…..”

  186. alec said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:52

    Pup: I know you like to make sauces from scratch. Do you make your own Worcestershire sauce? If so, how? If not, what do you purchace? Do you use Worcestershire in any recipes?

    Two weeks is actually a little conservative – unless you’ve got a vat somewhere sunny and dry outdoors to rot whitebait or larger fish’s intestines in, you’d ideally want a month or more for that nutty flavor to set in.

    And if you’re going to be going to the trouble of making a sauce by allowing fish to ferment, why not just go straight to garum?

  187. alec said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:55

    You have gotten Chris Dillow quite wrong. Read more of his stuff. Left wing.

    Firebaggery etc.

    Although I have to say I expect better standards of evidence out of my Marxists than accusing a major figure of anti-Semitism on the basis of a little matzo fever in his callow youth.

  188. Whale Chowder said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:56

    why not just go straight to garum?

    YOU go to garum!

  189. alec said,

    January 2, 2012 at 5:57

    The problem is really more that they don’t obtain all of their research money from Big Time Carbon Emitters LLC, complete with strings a web of lies pre-attached. That would be all proper-lich freemarketeery.

    We assume of others what we know of ourselves. Of course climate researchers just want more grant money: why else would Lord Monckton et alia wake up in the morning?

  190. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 2, 2012 at 6:35

    re: Chris Dillow

    I, for one, am willing to consider evidence that he’s not a wingnut. Please provide linkage. A very light and cursory browse of teh Stumbling and Mumbling blog red flagged me with his support for teh “Progressive Consumption Tax”. Which is bullshit. Srsly, “do nothing about income inequality and stifle demand at teh high end” is a solution for what? Teh Upper Middle Class won’t be knocking themselves out as much adding a fifth house and private jet since fewer of teh 1% will be doing same? Whoop-de-fucking-do. Anywho, let’s ignore how massive a FAIL a shift towards massive structural changes to induce hoarding amongst teh wealthy is. Let’s just look at teh fundamental premises behind why anyone would mistakenly believe it wouldn’t be a clusterfuck:

    1. Teh BIG BENEFIT is curbing ultra-extreme-excessive consumption by teh über-rich and teh just self-destructively psychotically high consumption by merely affluent. But they won’t get penalized for living liek teh plebs. i.e. it’s a tax on hedonism. It’s induced modesty and humility. Awesome. That there is a great premise to build society on.
    2. It completely ignores teh whole purpose of taxes. To fund gubmint. So that it can provide services. If people are personally spending less, i.e. on health care – guess what happens. Demand for government services goes up at teh same time that government revenues go down. By definition. i.e. you have to accept teh basic wingnut position that “gubmint is teh problem” to even consider the idea workable.
    3. Again, there is absolutely nothing being done about income equality. It’s accepted that teh richest should be carting home several orders of magnitude moar than teh plebs. This is apparently acceptable.
    4. Teh bestest part. Apparently, instead of blowing all that filthy lucre on adding multi-million dollar wings to their mansions, they’ll roll that money back into teh economy and presto-magico, teh rich are teh job creators again!

    It’s a stupid idea – but more than that, it is a stupid idea that is tailor-made to appeal to wingtards.

    CAVEAT – I’m not an economist, heck I’m not even an mba. I totes accept teh possibility that I’m wrong about Progressive Consumption Taxes and there maybe there are all sorts of very progressive reasons for thinking that PCT is great. Problem is, I haven’t seen any mention of such reason in my admittedly meagre look at his blog. Also too, based on that scant reading – I’ll accept that Dillow’s to teh left of teh entirety of teh GOP and teh average Blue Dog Dem. But that’s not exactly obvious evidence of “non-wingnuttitude”.

  191. Ois said,

    January 2, 2012 at 6:38

    Funny blog but on this: “It might just be the fact that I’m stranded at sea and half mad on rotted mangos, but I like this guy. Sure, he’s a right-wing fucknozzle, but he seems half-aware of the shit he’s doing and how off-topic it is.”

    Chris Dillow might be a lot of things but right-wing he ain’t. He’s a self described Marxist of the Bowles/Gintis/Elster bent. If you look around his blog you can find loads of stuff from him very much identifying with the left and arguing as he often does that bosses do nothing productive and that instead of nationalisation the cause of socialism/the left should be advanced through workers self management. (He advoates something like a proudonian market system of workers cooperatives.) So no a “right-wing fucknozzle” despite not being too keen on Keynes and being a columnist for the Investors Chronicle.

  192. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 2, 2012 at 6:49

    Added – Cerberus’ attack on Dillow’s Keynes-bashing is solid. I mean srsly, this is teh guy’s reason for discounting teh cultural norms at teh time teh Keynes essay was written:

    It’s surely not good enough to defend Keynes by claiming (rightly) that anti-semitism was common at the time, given that Keynes spent so much of his life rejecting what he regarded as conventional attitudes and beliefs.

    Considering that Einstein managed to discard conventional ideas about physics, it’s surprising that he didn’t invent teh iPad.

    Anywho, with teh response from teh Shrill One himself, teh whole SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD nature of it ought to work its way back to Dillow. Let’s see if there’s a retraction.

  193. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 2, 2012 at 6:56

    Okay Dillow defenders, link it up – give us some examples of this Marxist lefty’s writing.

  194. jim said,

    January 2, 2012 at 6:57

    GOODNESS ME

    Commenters writing posts, Krugman linking to Sadlytown …

    NOW U SEE TEH VIOLENCE INHERENT IN TEH LIBERAL FACIST SYSTEM!

  195. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 2, 2012 at 7:26

    Okay, done a bit moar stumbling and mumbling. It’s kinda tough what with teh “cross teh pond” culture shock, but I think I’m going to have to side with teh interlopers ovar Cerb on this one. This is not teh writing of a right-wing fucknozzle. Not even a right-wing fucknozzle with an axe to grind against moar douchy right-wing fucknozzles (i.e. David Frum). I wouldn’t categorize him as a progressive – and he’s contrarian enough that “moderate” doesn’t suit either. But there’s definitely some serious thought and consideration being given to what he’s writing, so he is by definition not a conservative. Neo-liberal? Not sure if that fits.

    Still, Progressive Consumption Tax is fucking Randroid Galtian bullshit is what it is. Also too, LOLFOOTBULLET of EPIC proportions in his defense of economics. “That’s where teh money is”. Hahaha. And that’s why economics, liek climate change denialism, isn’t viewed as proper science.

  196. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 2, 2012 at 7:50

    Also too, he has a picture of a naked lady holding pastries in front of her boobs. And while it may be a tame photo by teh standard of teh Intarpr0ns (despite teh suggestively non-figurative pearl necklace) Dillow’s own argument is that context is never relevant when dealing with figures that have contrarian views. So, uh, that means he beats his wife. Wait – is d00d married?

    OMFG. This is what OCD does to people* – I just TinEye’d teh pic and got zero results. Not definitive that he’s teh photographer. Also not definitive that he’s twice her age. Also, perhaps it actually is totally acceptable to be doing cheesecake (see wot I did there?) photos of girls young enough to be your daughter wherever it is that he lives. Maybe it’s d00d’s trophy wife. Maybe he modified teh photo somehow so that it doesn’t reverse image search well. Regardless – creepy. Also creepy? Me getting so fixated just because of some stupid Progressive Consumption Tax. And that’s why I’m calling it a night and retiring to my bunk. Nothing to do with web searching “young blondes holding pastries in front of their bare breasts.”

    *For example – correction, teh young blond lady is not naked – she’s wearing a watch.

  197. Bumpus said,

    January 2, 2012 at 8:12

    “fractally wrong” is a frackingly good coinage. Very amusing piece

  198. alec said,

    January 2, 2012 at 8:46

    Neo-liberal? Not sure if that fits.

    For a neoliberal you want Thomas “The Moustache” Friedman, or Barack “The Skintone” Obama.

    OMFG. This is what OCD does to people

    I find it just forces intrusive thoughts of social shame into my brain until I can literally not leave the house to go about my business, and also occasionally compels me to eat my beard hair, but there’s no arguing taste, after all.

    So no a “right-wing fucknozzle” despite not being too keen on Keynes and being a columnist for the Investors Chronicle.

    Anyone who participates in a product with “investor” in the name is either a fucknozzle or the willing accomplice of fucknozzles. Them’s the rules.

  199. alec said,

    January 2, 2012 at 9:45

    Man, did that ever come out nastier than I meant it to. We cool, DKW.

    (The bit about fucknozzles came out precisely as nasty as I meant it to.)

  200. Fenwick said,

    January 2, 2012 at 11:20

    “fractally wrong” is a frackingly good coinage

    Ima gonna steal it!

  201. ice9 said,

    January 2, 2012 at 11:54

    Here’s what I posted at Powerline. It’s right up the street so I also typed up a copy on my Selectric and stabbed it to their door with a dagger, just in case they attempt to sanitize their comments.

    ice

    This is abysmally stupid and profoundly dishonest even for Powerline.

    Sadly No! did the homework–grim work indeed–to discover that the anti-semitic comments upon which you base the dismissal of Keynes’ economic theories, and the imaginary failure of Obama’s (!) stimulus, were written in 1900 when Keynes was 17. You’re quoting a high school paper that was never published. It has still never been published. To trust the quotes we must credit a lengthy chain of possession that stretches into the dim fringes of Glenn Beck-quality scholarship in order to credit a flimsy ad hominem that supports a longshot guilt-by-association propped up by a three-part special pleading based on a red herring sauced with a ladleful of lies.

    But since, as you are saying right now, “Any logical transgressions don’t matter!” let me contribute something to the discussion. Here are a few more titles from the list of juvenalia available for your perusal at King’s Bollege, Bambridge. #4 is the essay in which the Jews are evaluated. Based on your now accredited process of deriving useful evidence from these works, I’ve supplied a few thesis statements for your consideration.

    3 ‘The character of the Stuarts: how far was it responsible for their misfortunes’.

    Examine Obama’s plan to return to the US after his Kenyan exile to crush the Commonwealth of the Confederacy. (see Orly Taitz for the full plan.)

    4 ‘The differences between East and West: will they ever disappear?’

    Already explored anti-Semitism, though much more can be written now that Obama’s illegitimacy is established through his subscription to Keynes’ gay economic jew-bashing. Also useful to support Obama’s loathing of America’s heartland (Hawaii has an east coast and a west coast, right? QED.)

    5 ‘Cromwell’

    Apparently Cromwell was some kind of heroic Libertarian who overcame his low birth to return Londinium to its evangelical free market roots. I see a clear parallel to Ayn Rand, and a neat way to associate Bill Ayers with Bert Lance, with obvious benefits to the Cain campaign.

    6 ‘Was there a Gunpowder Plot?’

    Very useful–a clear insult to British Exceptionalism, the forebear of Colonial Exceptionalism and, of course, Republican Exceptionalism. Demonstrates Keynes’ determination to surrender the grandeur of Britain to Roman Catholic proto-Sharia.

    7 Untitled essay on British achievements under Queen Victoria.

    Not sure–maybe a way to bring an academic shine to the spit-flecked ravings of Victoria Jackson–or are we still saving up all the amphiboly for October?

    8 Answers to questions on Walpole’s administration.

    Walpole. Heh. Did you know Keynes was gay? This proves it. Might make a nice package to hand off to Joe the Plumber.

    9 ‘The English national character’.

    Did you know Keynes was English? That’s enough to discredit TARP once and for all.

    10 ‘A plea for food or the uses and pleasures of eating’.

    Obama plans to abolish Halloween and funnel 100% of American fun directly to UNICEF.

    11 ‘A man may do what he likes with his own’.

    Good evidence for Breitbart’s next project: Is Obama still abusing his daughters? You know how those people are.

    12 Untitled essay on a favourite poet: Thomas Gray.

    You know who else has a favorite poet? Plus–Corsi has evidence that poet laureate will be live 24/7 on the speakers at the FEMA reeducation camps. This will be good evidence for that.

    13 Untitled essay on a favourite novelist: Alexander Dumas.

    Fatal political mistake: reading a novelist. Or one called “Dumbass.” That’s going to help us carry Oklahoma in 2012!

    I got more of this if you have any positions open. Plus I heard Amity Shlaes has got something going with a trove of crayon drawings by FDR when he was 3.

    ice9

  202. An Elder of Zion said,

    January 2, 2012 at 13:17

    Are there any here who will help Morpheus contact the Oracle?

  203. actor212 said,

    January 2, 2012 at 14:09

    Tintin and Carl are Krugman

    The entire world is TinTin. Except you.

    And you. And definitely you.

  204. actor212 said,

    January 2, 2012 at 14:11

    <i.I think I’m going to have to side with teh interlopers ovar Cerb on this one.

    Welcome to the dark side. Shoddy research is shoddy research.

    Cookie?

  205. Cerberus said,

    January 2, 2012 at 15:15

    Will have new post up sometime late this evening, sadly time, but before I try and get back to bed, I will respond to some of the excitement.

    That Krugman cited me is really fucking cool. That is all.

    On Dillow:

    Well, that explains why he was halfway lucid, and here I was ready to throw a wingnut a bone. I will fully admit that I just read the one post and assumed from the arguments and works cited that I was reading a random wingnut. Well, we all know the cliches about assuming things, so hee haw.

    I do still have major issues with his post and I’m not talking it being cited by the right-wing press like it was proof of alien contact (we can’t affect who cites our work).

    Specifically, that he cited as proof one of the worst academic papers I’ve ever read and I’ve read bioengineering papers written by German engineers with very few writing skills, much less writing in English skills. That he thought that argument was convincing really did not speak well of him in my brief encounter with his writing.

    Further, I thought his update was classic wingnut missing the point. Yeah, bad views are bad views no matter what era they come in, but people aren’t immune to the toxic cultures they grow up or live in. And saying “well, he rejected traditional morality” and tried to be better doesn’t make someone immune from their culture and its messages about minority groups. Especially not at 17 when I doubt Keynes had even really fleshed out his “rejection of social morays” on any meaningful level yet.

    And yeah, the whole “shouldn’t people be careful who they raise up as intellectual heroes” thing is still in my opinion one big messy bag of assuming authoritarian impulses on the part of non-authoritarians. It might be different in the Economics world, but I’ve never seen anyone rise up Keynes as some sort of perfect messiah being, rather he is praised on how his economic theories have been largely proven accurate.

    Yeah, as you can imagine from the fact that I assumed he was a right-wing asshole, I was not impressed with the article in question. He may not be a right-wing fucknozzle, but dude’s still got some major issues and lapses in judgement from what I could see (like his constant “begging the question” douchephrases).

    But for what it’s worth, whoops, my bad.

  206. Cerberus said,

    January 2, 2012 at 15:23

    And one last thing. I still don’t understand the purpose of his post.

    Not that I think historical figures shouldn’t have their bad sides looked at and analyzed (I’m all in favor of that).

    But rather, I don’t get why he thought it mattered beyond that.

    I mean, he had to ignore a lot of stuff that was glaring to me to cherry pick the stuff he did and he really did write as if this “discovery” was some damning indictment that should affect our regard for Keynes’s economic theories. Hence all the “wink wink, nudge nudge” stuff and the pissy update.

    And as I noted in the original post. Sadly, no, that’s not how it works.

  207. Arshemble Divilish III said,

    January 2, 2012 at 15:23

    As an adjunct college instructor I always warned my students that information should always be multiply sourced. However, it is clear that many sources can be wrong or bent or even based on fantasy.

    Today I should ad that those, whose arguments attempt to disprove intellectual theories based on character assassinations, should have their rantings harshly tested as they are attempting to modify truth with emotional content rather than the facts.

    A man who commits a crime or social blunder, is still stating a fact when he says that common table salt is sodium chloride.

  208. Fenwick said,

    January 2, 2012 at 15:25

    Hiya, Ice9 !

    We share an appreciation of Cat’s Cradle: When I first stepped out of lurkerhood into the bright light of Sadlyville, I was using ‘Ice Nine’ as my nym. Then I went nutso experimenting with all sorts of new nyms, until eventually stabilizing ‘Fenwick’.

    This is the first comment of yours that I’ve encountered. I hope you enjoy the Sadly rollercoaster.

    So I like your nym plenty much. Great minds think alike.

  209. Fenwick said,

    January 2, 2012 at 15:39

    tI’ve never seen anyone rise up Keynes as some sort of perfect messiah

    Completely unlike Saint Freidman, infallible prophet profit of the Chicago School.

  210. Fenwick said,

    January 2, 2012 at 15:41

    Friedman.

    I blame Hiltre.

  211. N__B said,

    January 2, 2012 at 18:35

    An Elder of Zion said,
    January 2, 2012 at 13:17

    Are there any here who will help Morpheus contact the Oracle?

    I can’t proceed without instructions. Some kind of sequence or protocol…

  212. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 2, 2012 at 18:53

    Man, did that ever come out nastier than I meant it to. We cool, DKW.

    Most definitely not. Implying that I would want Thomas Another Six Months Friedman. hrmpf. Also, I noticed your rejection of my interjection about outjections subjecting injections. No stated objection – imagine my dejection. double hrmpf.

    Okay, that’s outta my system now. Bygones, &c. – just as soon as you give me your mom’s phone number.

  213. Fenwick said,

    January 2, 2012 at 19:03

    Blog-pimping:

    Let’s have some New Year’s props for N_B!

    He made a 2011 resolution to make a daily post at his place for a year … and he did it. Quality material, too.

    So appreciative plaudits from Sadlyville, Ned.

  214. mlvlvr said,

    January 2, 2012 at 20:08

    I have no idea who you are, but having followed Paul (Never Wrong) Krugman’s blog, I ended up here and cackled deliriously through most of this post. Thank you v much.

  215. Pupienus said,

    January 2, 2012 at 20:11

    I got drunk busy right after making the Edelweiss comment so I did not see Fenwick’s request until just now. No, I don’t make Worcestershire, I just buy the Lea and Perrins because it’s such a D-KW bitch to make.

    I don’t think Cerbs needs to apologize or even justify the Dillow bashing. That one article was all I read and I came to the same conclusion. You’re only as good as your last film and all that.

  216. N__B said,

    January 2, 2012 at 20:19

    I have no idea who you are,

    Imagine the RNC but with less closeting.

  217. actor212 said,

    January 2, 2012 at 20:37

    You’re only as good as your last film and all that.

    In comments, perhaps not. As a remunerated blogger at a website that specializes in tearing apart other people’s inconsistencies?

    I’d like to think we hold our overlords to a higher standard.

  218. Cannibis Major said,

    January 2, 2012 at 21:08

    I’d like to think we hold our overlords to a higher standard.

    I too like to think our overlords are higher than their overlords.

  219. Jeffraham Prestonian said,

    January 2, 2012 at 21:26

    Nashville’s getting two days of winter, starting last night. No snow in the forecast, but it’s cold, and the tornado continues to unspool.
    .

  220. Whale Chowder said,

    January 2, 2012 at 21:30

    Welcome to the dark side. Shoddy research is shoddy research.

    and

    I’d like to think we hold our overlords to a higher standard.

    Fuck, Actor. You’re not covering yourself in glory.

  221. Smut Clyde said,

    January 2, 2012 at 21:39

    Rupert Murdoch joins the chorus:
    Good to see santorum surging in Iowa.

  222. N__B said,

    January 2, 2012 at 21:40

    You’re not covering yourself in glory.i

    It can be difficult to distinguish glory from santorum in certain lighting.

  223. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 2, 2012 at 22:36

    Hmmm…

  224. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 2, 2012 at 22:37

    Oh rats. I was hoping for the major tag fail there. Because I hold the commenters here to lower standards.

  225. tigris said,

    January 2, 2012 at 22:43

    Oh thank Jesus, I thought you were working up a relevant photoshop.

  226. jim said,

    January 2, 2012 at 22:50

    I hold the commenters here to lower standards.

    *CHALLENGE ACCEPTED*

  227. Whale Chowder said,

    January 2, 2012 at 22:53

    I hold the commenters here to lower standards.

    I’ve already worn out my shovel. Do I haveta use the spoon?

  228. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 3, 2012 at 0:00

    Oh thank Jesus, I thought you were working up a relevant photoshop.

    What an excellent idea!

  229. zombie rotten mcdonald said,

    January 3, 2012 at 0:10

    Wow, been busy, me, and not been by; but that post was a thing of beauty, Cerberus. That should leave a mark. Brought some of Gavin’s work to mind, it did.

    And I am a bit disappointed in the rest of you. All the linky love (and presumably, traffic) from the Shrill One and there’s a distinct lack of POOP. I recognize that with the recent run (heh) of Santorum headlines, y’all may be a bit POOPed out, but that is PRECISELY where you need to STEP UP. We are, after all, professionals.

    And no goatse? WTF, people.

  230. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 3, 2012 at 0:37

    Brought some of Gavin’s work to mind, it did.

    A lot of the fun with Gavin was continuity and follow-up, both in the style of the posts and in the fortunes of the poor bastards on display. Their lives provided a little storyline to return to and, uh, it’s like, like, it’s like I grew to care about Bob Owens.

    There, I said it.

  231. tigris said,

    January 3, 2012 at 0:40

    it’s like I grew to care about Bob Owens.

    HOT.

  232. Whale Chowder said,

    January 3, 2012 at 0:45

    HOT.

    Hot as the vomit that paid a little visit to the back of my throat?

  233. vacuumslayer said,

    January 3, 2012 at 0:53

    There will be no Bob Owens/Substance slashfic forthcoming.

  234. zombie rotten mcdonald said,

    January 3, 2012 at 1:10

    There will be no Bob Owens/Substance slashfic forthcoming.

    If there was, Substance could animate it too!

  235. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 3, 2012 at 1:40

    That one article was all I read and I came to the same conclusion. You’re only as good as your last film and all that.

    In Dillow’s defense, that one article is from 2009.

  236. Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

    January 3, 2012 at 1:41

    YOU KNOCKED OVER MAH CHARCOAL GOATSE!

  237. tigris said,

    January 3, 2012 at 1:45

    There will be no Bob Owens/Substance slashfic forthcoming.

    If there was, Substance could animate it too!

    I see them as vehicles, Bobo perhaps as a rusty pickup with buck teeth, Subs as something sportier, red perhaps, with blue eyes and a lolling tongue…

  238. tigris said,

    January 3, 2012 at 1:47

    PERHAPS.

  239. vacuumslayer said,

    January 3, 2012 at 1:48

    Oh please. This is all just a front to distract from your tentacle porn obsession.

  240. tigris said,

    January 3, 2012 at 1:54

    Cars with tentacles would be WEIRD.

  241. zombie rotten mcdonald said,

    January 3, 2012 at 1:57

    Cars with tentacles would be WEIRD.

    …but inexplicably hawt.

  242. zombie rotten mcdonald said,

    January 3, 2012 at 1:59

    it’s like I grew to care about Bob Owens.

    We may need to stage an intervention, here.

  243. N__B said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:10

    We may need to stage an intervention, here.

    Kick over the grill.

  244. Smut Clyde said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:11

    Cars with tentacles would be WEIRD.

    From tigris’ lips to the Interduct’s ears:
    http://www.dreadcentral.com/reviews/super-hybrid-2011

  245. zombie rotten mcdonald said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:14

    do you mean the GREEE-yul, N__B?

  246. Smut Clyde said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:14

    MAH CHARCOAL GOATSE

    I for one would not complain if D-KW went back to elbow macaroni, white glue and glitter for his crafts projects.

  247. N__B said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:15

    do you mean the GREEE-yul, N__B?

    [Turn right]

    [you have just been eaten by a GREEEyul]

  248. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:22

    Everyone mocks the tentacles, but we’ll show them…

  249. Whale Chowder said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:25

    Everyone mocks the tentacles, but we’ll show them…

    O NOES, it got the page already!

  250. zombie rotten mcdonald said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:26

    Apparently tentacles do not exist in Canuckistan, Substance.

  251. N__B said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:27

    In Canadia, they are tentacleus.

  252. Pupienus said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:27

    There is no substance to your link, Substance.

  253. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:28

    Photo here:

    http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/19/tentacle-arm/

  254. tigris said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:29

    From Smut’s “Super Hybrid” link: morphing, man-eating squid-mobile

    Dammit, we bought a Prius too early.

  255. vacuumslayer said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:32

    N_B will of course be drawn to this section.

  256. N__B said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:32

    Hey – we’re about to buy a Prius. Any advice?

  257. tigris said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:36

    Get the squid mobile.

    Looks like the 2012s will be plug-in, which is nice. We like our 2009, haven’t had any problems but we’re not big drivers. My only useful scrap of info is to get it earlyish in the year if you want a tax benefit, we bought in Oct and they’d maxed out already so we got diddly.

  258. Substance McGravitas said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:37

    Hey – we’re about to buy a Prius. Any advice?

    Don’t forget pants.

  259. N__B said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:44

    Yeah, the car is for one leg of Mrs__B’s ridiculous commute to an unreachable NJ town: said town to the Newark train station. I thought the tax benefit had expired, but I’ll check it out. While pantized.

  260. vacuumslayer said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:44

    Hey – we’re about to buy a Prius. Any advice?

    Careful where you drive it.

  261. tigris said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:54

    No Zipcar availability? I’d check that out before buying.

  262. N__B said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:57

    No Zipcar availability? I’d check that out before buying.

    I did. Not economic for a daily commute.

  263. zombie rotten mcdonald said,

    January 3, 2012 at 2:58

    Link still lonked, Subby; but I am pretty sure I know where you were going with that.

    I have one of them. NOT TWO. It was bad enough trying to get the squid to give one up.

  264. zombie rotten mcdonald said,

    January 3, 2012 at 3:00

    Hey – we’re about to buy a Prius. Any advice?

    Teevee has led me to believe that Engineers should be able to work out some kind of dematerialization transporter device. If they have enough power, that is.

  265. Cerberus said,

    January 3, 2012 at 3:02

    New post, y’all.

  266. Doctorb said,

    January 3, 2012 at 3:13

    OKAY IT IS 2012 NOW CAN WE STOP WRITING “TEH” ON PURPOSE THANKS IN ADVANCE

  267. N__B said,

    January 3, 2012 at 3:19

    Teevee has led me to believe that Engineers should be able to work out some kind of dematerialization transporter device. If they have enough power, that is.

    The dematerialization part is a snap. There are still a few bugs in the rematerialization part.

  268. Pupienus said,

    January 3, 2012 at 3:49

    A small motorcycle is helluvalot more Eco and economical than a Priapus or wuteverthefuktheyis.

  269. Whale Chowder said,

    January 3, 2012 at 4:10

    A small motorcycle is helluvalot more Eco and economical than a Priapus or wuteverthefuktheyis.

    According to the Mythbusters, maybe not so “eco.” They apparently pump out quite a bit more nasty byproducts than cars do, even though they’re much easier on gas.

    Also, I’d rather drive a Prius through a NJ winter than a bike.

    There are still a few bugs in the rematerialization part.

    Isn’t installation the reverse of removal? All the automotive repair guides lead me to think so.

  270. Doctorb said,

    January 3, 2012 at 4:10

    True; being an organ donor is like the ultimate in recycling.

  271. Older said,

    January 5, 2012 at 7:00

    Is horsemeat illegal “in the US”? Is there some national law that forbids it?

    MY former husband and I used to eat horsemeat in the 50′s, when (in Oregon) it was sold in butcher shops that sold no other meat, lest the extremely unobservant confuse it for beef.

    In the late 50′s the Army insisted that we relocate to California, where we found that horsemeat was not legal for human consumption, but there was a nearby pet shop where nicely cut steaks, chops, roasts and stew meat were sold “for the dog”.

    We were back in Oregon in the 60′s and buying from the same shop, until it went out of business. The owner told us that horses were being sold for slaughter to France, where the meat was very popular, and the price was higher, so they couldn’t get enough to stay in business.

    I think the insistence on regarding horses as “cuddly” is a more recent thing. If horsemeat is indeed now illegal, then the people who round up mustangs to get them off federal land cannot sell them to be fattened and slaughtered, so they will have to find adoptive homes for all of them.

    I have heard that Indians preferred mule meat to horse, but I have never had an opportunity to try it.

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