Old But Still Teh Awesome

Taquito!!! Mosquito!!! Banana!!! Hannah Montana!!!

 

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My renal artery has been known to fib.

 
 

Tostada!!! Menudo!!! Garbanzo!!! Al Pacino!!!

 
 

At 1:17:

WOLVERINES!!!!

 
 

Cuidado!!! Beluga!!! The A-Team!!! Lambretta!!!

 
 

Danzig reading a magazine called ‘Wolverine’ is the best part of the whole vid.

 
Till Eulenspiegel
 

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I’m pretty sure that’s Italian for “fuck off”.

 
 

I heard this song playing in a gay club in Bogotá a few years ago (sans Danzig). When it got to the brief Spanish part at 1:56 everyone in the place sang along, but only to that one line. It made me feel a little sad.

 
 

It should end with a punch from a Def Leppard guy.

 
 

It should NEVAR end with a punch from a Def Leppard guy.

Fixxed foar moar Danzira!

 
 

WTF did I just watch?

 
 

Palin version
Refudiate! Misunderestimate! Putin-head-inflate! Trooper-gate!

 
 

Burritos!!! Ronald Reagan!!! Sandinista!!! Sarah Palin!!!

 
 

Imagine other pieces where Wyclef Jean could be replaced by Danzig.

Strumming SATAN with our fingers,
Eliminate sounds with our song,
Killing millions with this sound,
Killing millions with this sound,
Taking your lives with this dub,
Killing you softly with this sound.

 
low sodium hunchback
 

Liked the Etta James version better.

 
 

DANZIG 4 PRESIDENT OF HAITI!

 
 

Gay Negroes! And Mooslims! White people! Are the victims!

 
 

4x FYWP. I can see this is not my time of posting.

 
 

I was promised umlauts.

 
 

I think the best part is when they cut to the ass tattoo and make it look like Shakira’s.

 
 

Ohhhh, she’s taking pills and she’s talked to her mom twice, guys! She may be going home today!

 
 

Also, Jesus Christ, woman. You look like Dee Snyder. If he flat-ironed his hair too much.

 
 

I was promised umlauts.

Hysteresis!!! Diaresis!!! Reese’s Pieces!!! Bunny Rabbits Satan Cheeses!!!!

 
 

Umlaut!!! Double Dot!!! Commie Plot!!! Smoke Some Pot!!!

 
 

Taquito!!! Mosquito!!! Banana!!! Hannah Montana!!!

Fuck the banana, marry the taquito, kill the mosquito. What was the fourth choice again?

 
 

“Smoke Some Pot!!!”

Your wish is my command. Well, not NOW… someone light a doob in my honor.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

BEST VIDEO EVAR!!!

Obama!!! Sharia!! La Raza!!! Reconquista!!

 
 

Wait. How does the rhyme scheme go? Is it A-A-B-B or A-B-A-B?

OMFG. It’s Danzig! Danzig CAN NOT be contained by your petty rhyme scheme!

Comma!!! Dollar!!! You know who HOLLERS?!?! Your momma!!!

 
 

DANZIG IS DANCING!!!

Shakira!!! Gojira!!! Border Fence!!! Go Get Bent!!!

 
 

ABBA is a group, not a rhyme scheme, silly.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Shakira!!! Gojira!!!

I am now picturing a 400 foot tall Shakira stomping the city flat.

IBIMB…

 
 

My renal artery has been known to fib.

My heart, it de-fibs.
My blood bursts out from squibs.
My post is addressed by libs.

I CAIN’T STOP RHYMING!!!

Oh, wait. Maybe I can.

 
 

Since I had never heard of Danzig nor Shakira before and have no idea WTF this is all about I’ll just donate this as a return favor for the link actor gave me the other day. .

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

At 1:17:

WOLVERINES!!!!

Gulo! Que Culo! Go loco, Papi Chulo!

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Since I had never heard of Danzig nor Shakira before and have no idea WTF this is all about I’ll just donate this as a return favor for the link actor gave me the other day. .

Never heard of Danzig?

 
 

He ain’t no god damn son of a bitch.

 
 

My hips don’t lie, but my ass is full of shit.

 
 

Never heard of Danzig?

Don’t forget Poland!

 
 

ABBA is a group, not a rhyme scheme, silly.

Mamma Mia
Tell your children not to walk my way
Tell your children not to hear my words
What they mean
What they say
Mamma Mia

 
 

Ok, that was good

 
 

You are the Danzig queen, young and sweet, only seventeen
Danzig queen, feel the beat from the tambourine
You can dance, you can jive, having the time of your life
See that girl, watch that scene, diggin’ the Danzig queen

 
 

I sense a napoleon complex re: Danzig. I wonder how tall he is. I should kinda know; I’ve seen him up close.

 
 

I should kinda know; I’ve seen him up close.

You were a stripper?

 
 

Lol. Nah. Just saw him play at this really small club in Raleigh in the early 90’s.

 
 

I’ve been to Gdansk. I’ve never been to Danzig nor, from what I can see, would I ever want to.

 
 

I sense a napoleon complex

My my, you tried to hold me back but Danzig is stronger
Oh yeah, and now it seems your only chance is giving up the fight
And how could you ever refuse
Danzig will win and you lose

Waterloo – You were defeated, Danzig won the war
Waterloo – Promise to kill you for ever more
Waterloo – Couldn’t escape unless Danzig lets you
Waterloo – You have to do what Danzig tells you to
Waterloo – Finally facing my Waterloo

 
 

Lol. Nah. Just saw him play at this really small club in Raleigh in the early 90?s.

Oh. Well if it isn’t one place it’s the other.

 
 

How much more awesome would it have been for the show to be Shakira and Danzig rather than Fergie and Slash?

 
 

I can Danzig with you honey
If you think it’s funny
Does your mother know that you’re out?

 
 

I should kinda know; I’ve seen him up close.

All those steroids have made it pretty small, huh?

 
 

DK-W, you should pay me a fee for setting all these jokes up for you.

Anyone else on tenterhooks waiting for the Abba/Danzig mashup album to drop?

 
 

I can Danzig with you honey
If you think it’s funny
Does your mother know that you’re out?

all right officer, I’ll come quietly.

Forgot the last line of that one, Subby.

 
 

Danzig is really Phil Collins.

Come on! Have you ever seen them together?

 
 

All those steroids have made it pretty small, huh?

Heh. I don’t like Danzig in that way.

 
 

Danzig is really Phil Collins.

Come on! Have you ever seen them together?

That made me snort in a good way.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Anyone else on tenterhooks waiting for the Abba/Danzig mashup album to drop?

Those Canuckistanis are BRINGING TEH FUNNEH today.

 
 

ADanzig Ant

Cantspeak
Can’t Talk
What do you do?
Can’t do anything they want.
Subtle innuendos follow
Gonna live with all my soul inside.

 
 

Those Canuckistanis are BRINGING TEH FUNNEH today.

Yeah. They’re pretty damn funny most days.

 
 

Yeah. They’re pretty damn funny most days.

Boy! Ain’t THAT the truth?

…wait, did you mean funny ha-ha?

 
 

Yeah. They’re pretty damn funny most days.

Boy! Ain’t THAT the truth?

…wait, did you mean funny ha-ha?

What I meant was that they’re funny except for on those days when they’re having their periods. And because they’re both exotic Canadians, they totally sync up.

 
 

We can Danzig, we want to
We can add Shakira’s behind
‘Cause your dad don’t Danzig n if he don’t Danzig
Your mom is the real whore

 
 

Es Danzig Zet-En-Es
Danzig Zet-En-Es
Danzig Zet-En-Es
tanzt

 
 

OK I got out of the boat (anything for Shakira right?). Until now I knew not of Gdansk other than as a setting for Gunter Grass novels (Godwin!) or for some kind of shipyard.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Until now I knew not of Gdansk other than as a setting for Gunter Grass novels (Godwin!) or for some kind of shipyard.

Gunther, you broke my heart

 
 

OH HO, I see what you did there Lawnguylander. Of course you know this means War was Beginning
Someone set us up your mom.
We get signal.
Main Screen Turn On.

How are you gentlemen?
All your dad’s ass are belong to us.
He is on his way to ass destruction.
His ass has no chance to survive make your time
Ha ha ha!

Take off every Danzig!!!
Your mom’s the whore.

 
 

ABCTajpu for Firefox is pretty great.

 
 

ABCTajpu for Firefox

?oo-?oo!

 
 

Incidentally, bestest Urban Dictionary entry evar:
How are you gentlemen?

 
 

ABCTajpu for Firefox is pretty great.

I promise I will not abuse this knowledge, Sensei.

 
 

Erm, what hoppened to my dubyas?

 
 

I promise I will not abuse this knowledge

I will not make that p?omi?e.

 
 

Gunther, you broke my heart

I wasn’t all that surprised. Die Flunder is still a pretty good model for understanding the different kinds of men and wimmens.

 
 

I promise I will not abuse this knowledge, Sensei.

 
 

I will not make that p?omi?e.

Ha ha. SN won’t take a full character set, you need to convert ASCII to Unicode.

http://mikezilla.com/exp0012.html

 
 

Yo Spengler! I got something for you. Yer welcome.

 
 

Shakira, nee Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll, the Pres’ secret love child?

 
 

Anyone else completely fascinated with the security words you have to type in to post on the goddamn Blogger blogs? I like it when they sort of resemble actual words. It makes me want to try to get them into the lexicon.

Tell me these wordesques aren’t cool:

hydespro

proompter

 
 

“Erm, what hoppened to my dubyas?”

Well, we know they didn’t go to Switzerland.

 
 

You libs are in trouble now – the witch hunters are going to become the witch hunted.

Clearly a smear job by TPM and the liberal, lamestream media. Christine O’Donnell is a witch who can see everything in her bubbling cauldron. She doesn’t need to do any investigating outside that.

 
 

“Erm, what hoppened to my dubyas?”

Well, we know they didn’t go to Switzerland.

Oh, this deserves something. A drink, a gold star, a hydespro, even.

 
 

Fuck the banana, marry the taquito, kill the mosquito. What was the fourth choice again?

Okay, where’s the chick with the toothache?

 
 

Es Danzig Zet-En-Es
Danzig Zet-En-Es
Danzig Zet-En-Es
tanzt

Neubauten?

 
 

You libs are in trouble now – the witch hunters are going to become the witch hunted.

She may actually be more shameless than Palin.

 
 

PENIS.

 
 

I have a dream, a song to sing
To help me cope with anything
If you see the wonder of a fairy tale
You can take the future even if you fail
I believe in Danzig
Something good in everything I see

 
 

It’s his super-funny joke about how Obama is still smoking.

 
 

Ah. But why would they lie about him quitting? I mean, what’s the point? Nobody gives a shit except them.

Now that he’s quite, they’re going to have to start smoking three packs a day.

 
 

Yo Spengler! I got something for you. Yer welcome.

Have you seen him do the Google luncheon hour show or whatever it’s called? The Bohemian Rhapsody is his finest thing EVAR, but he does originals for teh gazoogle staff, and it’s stupefying. Almost to the Danzig level.

 
 

“quit,” not “quite”. FYWP.

 
 

Speaking of MMEETTAALL, have y’all heard very drunk Metallica covering Oasis’ ‘Wonderwall?’

It is to laugh.

 
 

Yo Spengler! I got something for you. Yer welcome.

Those Darn Accordions used to do Stairway To Heaven on accordions.

Also, a song called “Hippie With A Banjo”

I am sure that’s all related somehow.

 
 

“Oh, this deserves something. A drink, a gold star, a hydespro, even.”

Fuck the drink; marry the gold star; proompter the hydespro.

 
 

The hydespro likes to take it in the proompter.

 
 

I have about 5 minutes to enjoy this party and then back to the bowels of the engine room. I have to earn my pay today…

But I’ll leave you with this.

 
 

Headin’ for Gdansk… Lookin’ for Romansk…

I am always late for the party when tigris busts out the Einstürzende Neubauten jokes.

 
 

You’ve got a cute way of talking,
You got the better of me.
Just snap your fingers and I’m walking,
Like a dog hydespro on your head.
I’m in a spin you know,
Shaking proompter you know.

You make me feel like Danzig,
Gonna Danzig the night away.

 
 

Her name is Rio and she’s Danzig &c.

 
 

Headin’ for Gdansk… Lookin’ for Romansk

Met a little ladna, wanna get inside her pansk.

 
 

Mamma Mia!
I just killed a man.
Put my hydespro against his head,
Proompter Trigger Warning now he’s dead.
Mamma Mia!
Life had just begun,
Danzig Danzig Danzig Danzig Danzig Danzig Mushroom! Mushroom!

 
 

If I could choose for any thread to be some random intraboobs surfer’s introduction to S,N, I would choose this one.

 
 

Her name is Rio and she’s Danzig &c.

Just like that Misfit singing in that Jersey band.

 
 

Did you guys know that the title of Rumsfeld’s memoir is Known and Unknown?

Can I kick him in the balls?

 
 

“Can I kick him in the balls?”

I like to watch.

 
 

BTW, Another Kiwi just informed me that his parents used to send smut and him to church on Sundays so they’d have time to DO IT. I have no idea why he felt compelled to share this. TMI, AK.

 
 

Can I kick him in the balls?

Yes. And east, west, south and north somewhat. Also.

 
 

If I had the chance
I’d ask the world to Danz
And I’ll be Danzig with myself

Oh Danzig with myself
Oh Danzig with myself

 
 

Now the party’s over and Shakira’s gone
I can hear the grunting of actor’s mom
Now the background’s fading out of focus
And what Tintin’s thinking he won’t tell us,

Avalon

Whoohoohoo…..

Danzig, Danzig

Avalon

No apologies to Brian Ferry, the silly ponce.

 
 

My hair is a bird. Your argument is invalid.

That’s no bird.

Also, PENIS, too.

 
 

Oh what a feeling!
When we’re Danzig on teh ceiling.

You can’t start a fire. You can’t start a fire without a spark,
This gun’s for hire – even if we’re just Danzig in the dark.

 
 

Has anybody done

“Danzig…
with tears in my eyes…”

yet?

 
 

“That’s no bird.”

WTF???? Every other time, and I mean EVERY FUCKING TIME that I have clicked a .jpg here at work, it has been blocked. But this time, I got to see the not-bird penis thingy on that bald head! I am livin’ right and I’d be headed to Vegas if only the missus would let me…….

 
 

I really, REALLY would love to see Danzig stop by this thread.

 
 

You should be Danzig, yeah.

 
 

Another Kiwi just informed me that his parents used to send smut and him to church on Sundays so they’d have time to DO IT.

AK’s parents used to send him to church with smut? Shirley you have misunderstood. He was probably taking the overdue books back to the library.

 
 

I really, REALLY would love to see Danzig stop by this thread.

We’ve practically Google bombed him at this point.

 
 

Danzig is gonna kick my ass.

 
 

Turn and turn and turn we must!
I guess I’ll see him, Danzig in the ruins tonight!
Danzig in the ruins!
Yes, I’ll see him, Danzig in the ruins tonight!

for Smut.

 
 

This shit with the Planned Parenthood videos is so fucking infuriating. Apparently, the workers were supposed to throw girls on the ground and make citizens’ arrests for being prostitutes.

 
 

John, I’m only Danzig….

 
 

What the fuck does this even mean?

Obama uses his Superman powers to turn back time and unsmoke cigarettes. Sorry, that’s the best I can make of it.

 
 

Simon Smith and the Amazing Danzig Bear!

 
 

He was probably taking the overdue books back to the library.

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

 
 

Bad Luck Streak in Danzig School.

 
 

What the fuck does this even mean?

Obama doesn’t smoke 95% of the time, but when he does he smokes the rich.

 
 

Hold me closer tiny Danzig…

 
 

The Politics of Danzig…

 
 

I was Danzig when I was 12
I was Danzig when I was 12

 
 

They put a parking lot on a piece of land
Where the supermarket used to stand.
Before that they put up a bowling alley
On the site that used to be the local Palais.
That’s where the big bands used to come and play.
My sister went there on a Saturday.

Come Danzig,
All her boyfriends used to come and call.
Why not come Danzig, it’s only natural?

 
 

Obama doesn’t smoke 95% of the time, but when he does he smokes the rich‘s poles.

FIXED!

 
 

Callin’ out around the world
Are you ready for a brand new beat?
Summer’s here and the time is right
For Danzig in the streets

 
 

one for the hipster country crowd:

“Amelia Earhart vs. teh Danzig Bear”

 
 

Singing and Danzig in the rain.

 
 

Prog-rock/Gay crossover:

“Danzig With The Moonlit Knight”

 
 

Are we human or are we Danzig?
My sign is vital, my hands are cold
And I’m on my knees looking for the answer
Are we human or are we Danzig?

 
 

Danzig days are here again as the summer evenings grow
I got my flower, I got my power, I got a woman who knows.

 
 

You can’t start a fire,
you can’t start a fire without a spark
This gun’s for hire
even if we’re just Danzig in the dark

 
 

Like a hitman, Like a Danzig….

 
 

Ah. But why would they lie about him quitting? I mean, what’s the point? Nobody gives a shit except them.

But if they can ever drive him to another cigarette, it PROVES that he is unworthy of the public trust.

 
 

I could go for some Hagen Danzig ice scream.

 
 

Cos, I can’t Danzig, I can’t talk.
The only thing about me is the way I walk.
No, I can’t Danzig, I can’t sing
I’m just standing here selling.

 
 

Danzig foooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooo
oooooool

 
 

Palin version
Refudiate! Misunderestimate! Putin-head-inflate! Trooper-gate!

You make Danzig wanna speak Retard!
Bible!! Blood libel!! Alaska!! You betcha!!

 
 

Danzig me
I want to be your partner
Can’t you see Shakira is just starting
Hips are shaking and Danzig’s quaking
Danzig me

 
 

Danzig Danzig Danzig Danzig Danzig Danzig Mushroom! Mushroom!

I am certain I was at that party.

 
 

danzig all night play all day
don’t let nothing get in the way
danzig all night keep the beat
don’t you worry ’bout two left feet
just shakira up
danzig all night get real loose
you don’t need no bad excuse
danzig all night with anyone
don’t let nobody pick your fun
just shakira up
danzig all night go go go
danzig all night get real low
go all night get real hot
shakira up with all you’ve got
danzig all night whirl your hair
make the night cats stop and stare
danzig all night go to work
do the move with quirky jerk
just shakira up

 
 

You can Danzig if you want to
you can leave your friends behind
Cuz your friends don’t Danzig
and if they don’t Danzig they’re
No friends of mine.

(I hope we never try this with a pun on “love”)

 
 

Vanzig can’t Danzig but he’ll steal your money
watch him or he’ll rob you blind

 
 

someone’s gonna get AHEMed.

 
 

Keep on Danzig through till daylight
Greet the morning air with song
No one’s noticed but Shakira’s packed and gone
Was she ever here at all?

But they kept on Danzig

 
 

Threadbear, that’s a good ‘un.

 
 

“someone’s gonna get AHEMed.

Glass houses little lady.”

FRICK!

 
 

Aw, Cornfed Wankee took down his tweet about wife-beating!

 
 

Danzig, mí hermana
Danzig, para tí

 
 

“Aw, Cornfed Wankee took down his tweet about wife-beating!”

Ooh, what did it say?

 
 

Yo no comprende la bamba
Yo no comprende la bamba
Donde esta el cuarto de bano

 
 

He re-tweeted some dude saying something like, “Nothing makes my wife angrier than when I defend Ike Turner,” and douchebag said, “At least you didn’t walk out of there singing ‘Beat It!'”

He probably didn’t take it down because of the wife-beating part, but because his stupid ass realized that Michael Jackson and Ike Turner AREN’T THE SAME DUDE.

 
 

To be fair, wife-beating is really funny.

If you don’t think so, youre a humorless feminazi.

 
 

Danziggy played guitar,
Jamming good with Weird and Gilly
And the Spiders from Mars
He played it left hand
But he made it too far
Became the special man,
Then we were Danziggy’s band

 
 

Danzig mania still affecting S,N!ers I see. IT’S WORSE THAN 1518!

 
 

to be fair, that’s a pretty cute guinea pig.

 
 

I could’ve Danzig night
I could’ve Danzig night
And still have begged for more

I could have spread my wings
And done Shakira things
I’ve never done before

 
James 'Danzig' Perry
 

Glenn was busy. Will I do?

 
 

Danzig is travelling tonight on a plane
I can see the red tail lights heading for Spain
Oh and I can see Danzig waving goodbye
God it looks like Danzig, must be the clouds in my eyes

 
 

We go Danzig in the moonlight
with Shakira in your eyes
we go Danzig til the sunrise
you and me we’re gonna Danz-Danz-Danz

 
 

[Bristol] added: “If I saw something that needed to be changed, then I would step up to the plate and do something about it.”

Know what else needed changing?

BABY HITLER.

 
 

Oh Danzig boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountain side

 
 

Santorum was right!

More than he’ll ever care to know.

 
 

Substance, speaking of which (from the E! article): “The ‘typical 2-year-old’ is currently enrolled in swimming and ice-skating lessons and, according to his doting mother, is already proving to be the brains of the Palin clan.”

 
 

“I am very content,” she said. “Tripp’s awesome…I know that God’s plan for me was to have Tripp and it definitely made me grow, but I don’t desire that lifestyle at a Frat house or at college parties or anything like that. And, umm, no, I am not envious of that kind of lifestyle.”

Now who would give her the idea that college was all about getting hammered at Frat parties?

 
 

bughunter, I LOLed.

Does baby Hitler come out with the little moustache?

 
petty officer bughunter
 

Oh, and while you all have been danzig and drinking on the Bridge, I’ve been listening to this and buffering this while fixing the warp drives.

I dunno when YouTube started allowing uploads of two-hour content, but it rocks.

 
 

I know that God’s plan for me was to have Tripp

So sex out of wedlock and teenage pregnancies are God’s will now? Excuse me, I have to go hang around my local high school’s girls locker room. It’s God’s will!

 
 

Now who would give her the idea that college was all about getting hammered at Frat parties?
It isn’t?

 
petty officer bughunter
 

vs, I made that the day that The Honorable Mr. Fecolube gave the concession speech depicted. I knew it would come in handy again someday.

 
 


“If people are going to talk about us, then they are going to talk about us no matter what we are doing

not if you go away and stfu…

 
 

Santorum was right!
ALSO.

 
 

but I don’t desire that lifestyle at a Frat house
why would she be living in a frat house?

 
 

why would she be living in a frat house?

That’s where you go to pick up god’s babies.

 
 

bughunter, job well done. That guy is seriously one of the douchiest pols out there.

 
 

Pregnancy “definitely made me grow”.
No shit.

 
 

“February 8, 2011 at 23:21

Santorum was right!
ALSO.”

His lips say “no” but his eyes say “that huge rodent is HOTT”

 
bughunter the prejean video fan
 

LOL, Clyde, I’ve seen some big beavers, but that one is enormous.

 
 

Men grow before pregnancy.

 
 

I don’t desire that lifestyle at a Frat house or at college parties

Good point. No privacy. Better to have that lifestyle at home.

 
 

BTW, that PENIS link I posted earlier? You DID watch until it gets to where the web cam plays a part, yes?

 
 

I brokeded it, teh thread.

 
 

I’m watching live tweets of the hearing on HR3, which allows health care providers to invoke the “conscience clause” even if it will result in a woman dying.

It’s fucking insane.

 
 

I know that God’s plan for me was to have Tripp

And here I was thinking that that Levi kid was the father.

 
 

I try really hard not to think about this stuff, because if I do my head gets all splodey-feeling.

 
 

I am always late for the party when tigris busts out the Einstürzende Neubauten jokes.

yer showing your age there…

 
 

That was to T&U. I don’t care about Klutz Palin.

 
 

Hard to believe I’ve never seen this before.

 
 

I try really hard not to think about this stuff, because if I do my head gets all splodey-feeling.

The weird thing is that the progressives are pretty much up-in-arms about it, but the conservatives aren’t tweeting about it at all. You’d think they’d be all into Gruesome Baby Murder Time.

 
 

You’d think they’d be all into Gruesome Baby Murder Time.

OK, I know I shouldn’t find that funny, but I do. That would be a weird hour of television programming. “Hey everybody, it’s Gruesome Baby Murder Time! Bring the first sacrifice on dooooooooooooooooooown!”

 
 

LOL, Clyde, I’ve seen some big beavers, but that one is enormous.

you owe me a new keyboard….

 
 

I, for one, welcome Shakira Law.

 
bughunter the prejean video fan
 

P.M., that was enlightening! Educational, even!

 
bughunter who always forgets about his nym field
 

If I honored keyboard replacement clauses, I’d be bankrupt. Sorry.

Try a Kirkland Baby Wipe. They clean anything.

 
 

“What the fuck does this even mean?”

I think he means “Obama can’t quit smoking like he can’t quit raising taxes.” In other words, he doesn’t let facts get in the way of a lame joke. Apparently there is a fine line between conservative humor and just being a dick.

 
 

“Does baby Hitler come out with the little moustache?”

He comes out from the North through Belgium first.

 
 

He comes out from the North through Belgium but without a mustache.

 
 

Reuters is employing violent rhetoric against burritos.

 
 

Oh what a feeling / Danzig on the ceiling …

 
low sodium hunchback
 

PM , the thermal imagery is awesome.

 
 

Land of A Thousand Danzigs

(Jeeze. No thanks.)

 
 

Josef Pujol surely dreamed of thermal imagery.

 
 

Danzig with tears in my eyes,
Weeping for the mem’ry of Shakira’s thighs.

 
 

Michael Walsh again:

Kathryn: apropos of your correspondent — balderdash. It’s impossible to compare an act of war against the United States by a declared enemy with the conscience of a Catholic, who understands the difference between rendering unto Caesar and rendering unto a loving God.

Catholics have no history of violence the way those evil Muslims do.

Interestingly, Michael Walsh is Irish.

 
 

Flash! *shakes fist* my fists don’t lie!

 
 

“We were Americans.
We were Catholics.
We were Marine Corps kids (and had to act accordingly among civilians).
We were Irish.”

Imma teach my kid:
Estonian
Snake handler
FEMA camp kid
Venutian

I’m gonna mix it up a little–have fun!

 
 

If I could choose for any thread to be some random intraboobs surfer’s introduction to S,N, I would choose this one.

The Greatest Hits Album

If I had the chance
I’d ask the world to Danz
And I’ll be Danzig with myself

Oh and I can see Danzig waving goodbye
God it looks like Danzig, must be the clouds in my eyes

You can Danzig if you want to
you can leave your friends behind
Cuz your friends don’t Danzig
and if they don’t Danzig they’re
No friends of mine.

Oh what a feeling!
When we’re Danzig on teh ceiling.

You can’t start a fire. You can’t start a fire without a spark,
This gun’s for hire – even if we’re just Danzig in the dark.

Summer’s here and the time is right
For Danzig in the streets

I could have spread my wings
And done Shakira things
I’ve never done before

danzig all night play all day
don’t let nothing get in the way
danzig all night keep the beat
don’t you worry ’bout two left feet
just shakira up

You make me feel like Danzig,
Gonna Danzig the night away.

Mamma Mia!
I just killed a man.
Put my hydespro against his head,
Proompter Trigger Warning now he’s dead.

Oh Danzig boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountain side

Her name is Rio and she’s Danzig [on the sand]

… and many more!

[I’m sure I must have missed some.]

I hope the line-spacing works. If it doesn’t FYWP. (If it does, fuck you anyway.)

Hold me closer tiny Danzig
Count the headlights on the highway

 
 

Catholics have no history of violence the way those evil Muslims do.

That Huguenot Juggernot had to stopped before they assimilated all of Christendom into the Calvinist Collective!!!

 
 

“Smoke Some Pot!!!”

Your wish is my command. Well, not NOW… someone light a doob in my honor.

*FFFfffffff–ut!* Done, darlin’.

 
 

Athankee, Variants.

I’m not sure what this part means:

“(and had to act accordingly among civilians).”

 
 

Haven’t seen Actor here in days. Doing photography in exotic, warm places?

(Hey, VS, you’re not the only one who serve up batting-practice pitches….)

 
 

Imma teach my kid:
Estonian
[…]
Venutian

You repeat yourself.

 
 

“We were Americans.
We were Catholics.
We were Marine Corps kids (and had to act accordingly among civilians).
We were Irish.”

So I gather he supports the rule of law over hiding pedophiles in the Catholic church. Look out K-Lo!

 
 

Watching the HR3 hearing right now. Because I’m a masochist.

 
 

The Variants–Check actor’s blog.

 
 

*FFFfffffff–ut!*

Who plays with fire gets burned.
Who plays with knives gets cut.
But I have terrible, terrible qualms
About who plays with hydrogen bombs –
He just goes fffff-ut!

– Poet who I forgot who it was (not me)

 
 

Holy shit.

I was getting nauseous just watching that.

 
 

Was the Ted Danzig video before or after “Cheers”?

 
 

Was the Ted Danzig video before or after “Cheers”?

It was during “Cheers”, right before Shakira Long left the show to pursue an ill-advised film career.

 
 

How dare you, sir? “Hello Again” is a cinematic masterpiece. Little known fact: filmed in Arkansas!

 
 

I saw that vid recently on a motorcycle site I frequent. General consensus: fucking nutz.

 
 

ZOMG THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PAID FOR 220 ABORTIONS IN FY 2008!!!!!

 
 

Woo-HOO! Abortions all around! On the house!

 
 

There’s an attorney from the Family Research Council (*spit*) who has called the HCR bill “Obamacare” three times so far and she’s halfway into her 5-minute testimony.

 
 

Woo-HOO! Abortions all around! On the house!

I’ll take two, please. My uncle gave me a great pickling recipe.

 
 

My uncle gave me a great pickling recipe.

Did he get it from Barbara Bush?

 
 

“When government subsidizes conduct, it encourages it.”

Yup. I’m totes gonna get knocked up so I can take advantage of that sweet, sweet taxpayer funded abortion.

 
 

OMG–abortion party!!! We’ll give each other makeovers then go a-borting!

 
 

Who’s the leader of the club
That’s made for you and me
D-A-N-Z-I-G M-O-U-S-E
Hey! there, Hi! there, Ho! there
You’re as fucked as you can be
D-A-N-Z-I-G M-O-U-S-E

 
 

I’m totes gonna get knocked up so I can take advantage of that sweet, sweet taxpayer funded abortion.

Do you need a lab partner?

 
 

D-A-N-Z-I-G M-O-U-S-E

Well, he is short.

 
 

Only 220? WHAT THE FUCK ARE MY TAXES PAYING FOR?!!

 
 

FYWP!!!

 
 

WHAAAAAAAT?

This fucker’s trying to say that a woman who had a moral objection to late-term abortion was forced to participate in it by having to re-assemble the fetus’s body parts on the operating table.

I call BULLSHIT.

N__B, science is FUN!

 
 

This fucker’s trying to say that a woman who had a moral objection to late-term abortion was forced to participate in it by having to re-assemble the fetus’s body parts on the operating table.

Frankenfetus!

 
 

N__B, science is FUN!

In Soviet Union, bunsen burns you. No…wait…that was 7th grade…

 
 

“When government subsidizes conduct, it encourages it.”

Check the federal budget, line by line. Hidden in there somewhere there must be a Stupidity Subsidy.

 
 

Do you need a lab partner?
Lab experiments are made of PEOPLE!

 
 

a woman who had a moral objection to late-term abortion was forced to participate in it by having to re-assemble the fetus’s body parts on the operating table.

A morgue attendant may have a moral objection to fatal car crashes but he still has to re-assemble the body parts when they’re all brought in.
Or so I hear from a friend.

 
 

he still has to re-assemble the body parts when they’re all brought in.

In sequence, or is free-form work allowed?

 
 

A morgue attendant may have a moral objection to fatal car crashes but he still has to re-assemble the body parts when they’re all brought in.

After removing the choicest bits.

 
 

Prairie Interstate oysters.

 
 

Catholics have no history of violence the way those evil Muslims do.

Interestingly, Michael Walsh is Irish.

Closing the loop.

 
 

Or would that be intestate oysters?

 
 

After removing the choicest bits.

Scrapple!

 
 

HAHAHAHA one of their witnesses totally bit them in the ass.

 
 

The state seized all of the assets of the intestate oyster.

 
 

I’m sure that sewing a few strings into the limbs and handing it over to an accomplished foetal puppeteer would really get teh lulz going at the abortion clinic. Shakira style! Hips don’t lie!

Oh, I chide you WordPress / Chrome for suggesting that ‘foetal’ was spelled incorrectly.

 
 

foetal = toe laf

 
 

I’m sure that sewing a few strings into the limbs and handing it over to an accomplished foetal puppeteer would really get teh lulz going at the abortion clinic. Shakira style! Hips don’t lie!

OMG that’s awesome.

I’m going to get a fetus puppet tattoo.

Mike Pence is a douchebag.

 
 

intestate oysters

I cannot imagine oyster testicles as a delicacy; if only because naming them “oyster oysters” or “sea oysters” sounds silly.

 
 

I cannot imagine oyster testicles as a delicacy

Your failure of imagination has little to do with the contents of my stomach.

 
 

BTW:

<3 hours sleep for four nights running + 2 pint-glass Cuba Libres = flying time.

 
 

T&U makes Foetal Jesus sad.

 
 

T&U makes Foetal Jesus sad.

Nevermind. That’s my new tattoo.

 
 

If you’re lucky T&U, vs’s abortion party will yield an entire conga line. Or a can-can show.

.
.
.

Or an itty bitty centipede

 
 

Of course, that makes meconium aspiration syndrome difficult to diagnose. But it’s funny because they’re dead already.

 
 

Foetus should be dressed as Spencer Tracy and acting out the scene where Hyde makes another foetus (dressed as Ingrid Bergman) sing “You should see me dance the polka”.

 
 

Did you just make an abortion/Human Centipede joke? I am impressed!

 
 

I think we should dress them up like Oompa Loompas and make them do the little dances.

 
 

T&U makes Foetal Jesus sad.

I followed your link back and found this. Is that the world’s tiniest violent he’s playing? Also, did early modern fetii use moths as teddy bears?

 
 

I did. But I only entered the thread quite recently. I was out thieving wood, you see. My philosophy with abortion jokes is ‘better late than never’.

 
 

That’s awesome, Smut.

 
 

A morgue attendant may have a moral objection to fatal car crashes but he still has to re-assemble the body parts when they’re all brought in.

A mechanic too. Also too also: I object to fetal car crashes.

if only because naming them “oyster oysters” or “sea oysters” sounds silly.

Pearls.

 
 

By the way, B^4, those chicken wings you were nomming….

 
 

What the hell does Gossler have to do with this shit?

 
 

Is that the world’s tiniest violin he’s playing?
Yes. Yes, it is. The bow is made from a dried artery. They are also using fragments of meningeal tissue to wipe their little tears.

Also, did early modern fetii use moths as teddy bears?

Those are mayflies.

 
 

A fetus wakes up one morning only to realize he’s in the process of being aborted. The fetus looks at the doctor and asks, “What the hell are you doing?” The doctor turns to the patient and says, “Don’t worry, not all of them are this stupid.”

 
 

A daughter goes up to her mother and says, “Mom can I have $300 for an abortion?”
“It depends,” says the mom. “Are you any good at it?”

 
 

There really are not enough abortion jokes out there.

 
 

Who’s the leader of the club
That’s made for you and me
D-A-N-Z-I-G M-O-U-S-E
Hey! there, Hi! there, Ho! there
You’re as fucked as you can be
D-A-N-Z-I-G M-O-U-S-E

Top of the charts with a bullet, N_B.

 
 

Inside the Sadly,No! servers.

 
 

a Stupidity Subsidy.

Lotteries and casinos are a Stupidity Tax.

 
 

HAHAHAHA one of their witnesses totally bit them in the ass.

T&U: Link?

 
 

I think you’ll have to watch the whole video.

Also, I may have misunderstood. She may not be their witness, but ours. Which makes more sense.

 
 

That’s my new tattoo.

Ever one to throw out hooks for the thread:

Tattoos. Piercings.

Got ’em? Like ’em on others?

 
 

A bit late, but:

But I know his name, he’s called Mr. D.
And one of these days he’s gonna set you free
Human skulls is hangin’ right ’round his neck
The palms of my hands is clammy and wet

Lord, I was danzig, danzig, danzig so free
Danzig, danzig, danzig so free
Danzig, Lord, keep your hand off me
Danzig with Mr. D., with Mr. D., with Mr. D.

 
 

TPM

Colorado GOP Chair Dick Wadhams calls it quits: “I’m tired of the nuts.”

Yes, that probably means something interesting about something but DICK WADHAMS.

 
 

Here’s a good one: Pajamas Media bitching at Huffington for using free labor.

Hundreds of millions, on the backs of free help. Imagine the outcry if a conservative site did that.

I’m trying.

 
 

You know, I’ve been thinking just what Mr. Wadd has. I’m tired of the nuts, & I may just hang it up.

 
 

T&U: Can you point me (approx) to the Epic Witness Fail you mentioned? Or at least, what did the witness look like, so I rummage around for it?

This is all SO depressing. I only gots the manparts, but reproductive freedom is a big issue with me. (posters in my windows; stickers on my car during referenda balloting).

I was a young man when abortion was a crazy-quilt patchwork of legal / non-legal states; I tried helping someone in a non-legal state arrange one in a legal state. I’ve been fierce about reproductive rights every since.

 
 

Well, that was a sausage party.

 
 

Variants, I wasn’t paying attention and misunderstood. She was actually testifying against the bill in general and had been brought in by the Democrats.

The dude from the Conference of Catholic Bishops straight-up said he didn’t believe in the rape exception and that allowances for abortions in cases of statutory rape are because of a “loophole” in law.

 
 

Danzig with Mr D : excellent

Just got back from an oyster roast where hundreds of Macintosh county wild oysters were consumed, dozens by your correspondent. How many sea oysters or oyster oysters were among them I’m afraid I din’t keep count.

 
 

Hundreds of millions, on the backs of free help. Imagine the outcry if a conservative site did that.

Yeah, same as the outcry for corporations using illegal Mexicans as labor. It’ll all be the free help’s fault.

 
 

Hundreds of millions, on the backs of free help.
ZOMG FACEBOOK!!!

 
 

I get easily 200 visits a month on my site. Because of CTHULU, that’s why.

 
 

Yes, that probably means something interesting about something but DICK WADHAMS.

I just laughed till I wept. That slew me for some reason.

 
 

God, I think I ruptured a vessel.

 
 

N__B said,

February 8, 2011 at 18:24 (kill)

My renal artery has been known to fib.

I can relate.

 
 

but DICK WADHAMS

I have a working hypothesis with many examples of confirmation that in an electoral contest between two candidates, the one with the prurient or suggestive name has an advantage. Some communities exhibit this more than others, with White Conservative districts leading the trend. Thus, a Bush will beat a Gore. A Dick will beat a Barry. And a Boehner will beat a von Stein.

A name like Dick Wadham in Colorado is virtually a shoo-in.

 
 

The lateral roots of rap.

 
 

It’s late in the thread and I’m fairly drunk, so my apologies if anyone’s posted this already, but…

“Mother, don’t forget the kitty litter tonight…”

Also, I have dated two, count ’em, two belly dancers.Highly recommended.

 
 

Hawt!

I’ve just discovered I have a thing for women with laryngeal polyps.

 
 

McMegan being McMegan:

Link

 
 

Does she even spellcheck this shit before she posts it? What’s a “kKoreans”?

 
 

Bug: Thanx for the Joe Walsh! It’s been ages since I heard this. We seem to be much in much the same groove when it comes to music.

 
 

WTF WAS THAT?!?!?!?!?!!

 
 

what’s the difference between a catholic priest and a zit? Zits come on a boys face AFTER they’re 13.

 
 

It is easier (in most cases) to pretend different ideas than a different race–but we rightly think that it was horrific to force blacks to “pass” as a condition of being treated like a full human being.

Yes! And in a job interview, the interviewer doesn’t ask whether the person sitting in front of her is Republican OR whether he is Black. It doesn’t get any more equivalent than that!

Most of the people I talk to think, like James Joyner, that this may be a problem without a solution. It is just my impression, but I think what conservatives want most of all is simply recognition that they are being shut out.

Have a lollipop.

 
 

One of the things that is most annoying about McMegan is that she is so lazy. She posted her column with the misreading of Krugman intact and had to post an update explaining her mistake. And it was a very short post by Krugman.

But, her laziness is manifest in her thinking. She cannot conceive of what should be the most logical explanation for the dearth of conservatives in academia: Students probably enter college in ratios similar to national averages for “conservative” and “liberal,” but, while in college, they learn things that cause them to become more liberal.

 
 

Thanx for the Joe Walsh!

Wait. Aren’t you teh d00d what derided all but 5 cuts of rap music for having simplistic beats? Couldn’t the drum part of Life’s Been Good To Me have been replaced by a metronome with an amplifier?

 
 

Couldn’t the drum part of Life’s Been Good To Me have been replaced by a metronome with an amplifier?

No. Metronomes keep perfect time.

 
 

Variants,

Sorry about the poke. Look, you like what you like and don’t like what you don’t. It’s just that perhaps the reasons why you think you dislike rap and hiphop may not be the ones you think they are. Or at least, they don’t seem to be the ones you say they are.

That’s fine. Sometimes we can’t express the reasons for our preferences – kinda like how I can’t say why exactly I keep going back to doing your mom.

 
 

I like how a) it never occurs to these people that conservatives are underrepresented in academia because they like money and academia doesn’t have much of it, and b) don’t consider that conservatism is often directly at odds with the culture of a lot of academic programs, especially liberal arts programs. This is not because there’s a “bias.” This is because fields like psychology, sociology, women’s studies, etc ultimately focus on explaining and improving the human experience through non-tangible means, so they’re not interested in value judgments and are basically inherently progressive (in a non-political sense).

There are plenty of conservative academics in law, business, medicine, and other fields where the academic orthodoxy is perceived as being more settled (it isn’t, but that’s another discussion) than in other fields that rely extremely heavily on open discussion and dialogue. (This isn’t *exactly* what I want to say, but it’s the best way I can put it). Also, law, business, medicine, etc are all better-paying academic fields than, say, women’s studies.

Finally, the majority of academic institutions in this country are at least partly taxpayer-funded. If you don’t believe in taxpayer funding for higher education, it’s probably less likely that you’re going to work at a public college or university.

 
 

There are literal shitloads of conservative profs in math and the hard sciences as well.

 
 

There are literal shitloads of conservative profs in math and the hard sciences as well.

Totally. I completely left those guys out!

In those fields you aren’t exposed to much politically-oriented thinking in general, so you’re likely to go through college without being exposed to many political ideas that are different from your own, aside from a couple of required humanities courses. Also, I can see how those fields would be more attractive to people who prefer order and answers (almost to a pathological degree).

 
 

I hear lots of horror stories re:women in math and science classes. Wonder if there’s any correlation.

 
 

I hear lots of horror stories re:women in math and science classes.

If they’re treated like men in women’s studies or critical theory classes are, I feel for them.

 
 

Men go to women’s studies classes? And there’s a record of them being treated poorly?

 
 

But, her laziness is manifest in her thinking. She cannot conceive of what should be the most logical explanation for the dearth of conservatives in academia

I’m torn about her. Yes, her writing is lazy and her logic is galling. Where good writers use qualifiers for greater accuracy, Megs uses them because she can’t be arsed to look up the facts. Her evidence is heavy with “based on personal conversations” and vague impressions. As journalism, it fails, but as ego-balm it’s pretty brilliant.

There are a lot of lazy, over-privileged, pseudo-intellectuals out there just like her, so I guess that’s a market. She gives them the illusion of objectivity by criticizing both the well-meaning but hypocritical “liberal position” and the sincere but self-interested “conservative position”. Her reasonable compromise is for us to all agree that both black people and conservatives are oppressed, BUT it would be impractical to do anything concrete to change that. Win/win!

 
 

If they’re treated like men in women’s studies or critical theory classes are, I feel for them.

I’ve been in a few women’s studies classes, and I’ve never seen men treated badly, unless they acted like privileged fucksticks.

 
 

“Also, I can see how those fields would be more attractive to people who prefer order and answers (almost to a pathological degree).”

Which ties in to Krugman’s point about military officers being over-represented by conservatives. Maybe we should raise a stink about the Pentagon being hostile to progressives. CHOMSKY FOR SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, NOW!!!

 
 

And, sorry, but the overarching sexism in hard science and math fields is hardly the same as a few dudes getting their fee fees hurt in women’s studies classes.

 
 

Also (one last thing), most institutions are changing the names of their women’s studies programs to “Women’s and Gender Studies,” which is an attempt to welcome men of all types (and genderqueers) into the field, which is shifting to a post-third wave culture that focuses on all the ways that gender affects human relationships.

 
 

All I’m saying is that women’s studies/critical theory are repositories for misandrony in the same way that math and the hard sciences are repositories for misogyny. It’s not like one gender has a monopoly on contempt of the opposite gender.

 
 

ORLY? I’m going to need more to go on. Some sort of proof. Forgive me, but I’m inclined towards skepticism here.

It’s not like one gender has a monopoly on contempt of the opposite gender.

I wouldn’t say monopoly.

 
 

There’s a difference between “contempt” and systematic exclusion within a culture. And, again, speaking as someone who has been in women’s studies courses, I haven’t really seen any “misandry,” and, in fact, I find that feminists and W&G studies majors tend to be more willing to talk about the ways in which society’s expectations regarding manhood harm men and keep them unhappy.

The problem is when dudes walk into a W&G studies course with the intent to be deliberately confrontational. And that does happen. It’s like me walking into an African American studies course and proclaiming that racism doesn’t exist. No, fuck that. That’s what we’re here to talk about, and if you can’t talking about it, then you need to GTFO.

I think that’s different than women being the target of sexism in their physics classes.

 
 

In defense of hard sciences/math/engineering/&c.:

1. Understanding social interactions and dynamics isn’t part of the field of study. Not meant to excuse misogynistic behaviour, just an attempt to help explain it’s cause.
2. These disciplines have been engaged in outreach to women for decades – and not just in the “changing the name” sort of way. There are plenty of programs and scholarships that exist specifically to encourage women to enter those fields.
3. You’ve really never seen a man treated badly in a women’s study class unless he somehow “deserved it”? I’m not saying that assholes shouldn’t get their comeuppance, but are you suggesting that men being treated badly just for being men never happens?
4. “Overarching sexism” in math and hard science – is there some sort of sexism-metre that’s used to determine this? I’m not trying to claim that math and science in academia are on the fore-front of progressive gender equality issues but (IME) it’s not exactly a cesspool of mouth-breathing chauvinist jerkwads anymore. Just a kinda stinky oildrum filled with chuavinist jerkwads, most of whom inhale through their nostrils.

 
 

conservatives are underrepresented in academia because they like money and academia doesn’t have much of it

That’s probably true, but it’s just the beginning of the problem. A lot of wealthy, educated people (liberal and conservative) have this idea of equality that looks like Human Resource stock photos – a variety of professions, but everyone is neat and coiffed and beaming with enthusiasm. Skin tones and genders are evenly distributed, so difference effectively ceases to exist. The only questions are how to make the poor brown people look professional enough for their poster, and at what point is it a wasted effort?

But the problem isn’t difference per se. There will always be many cultures and ideologies and personality types. We will never all fit into the culture of corporate upper management. The issue is inequality. The jobs that rich white men like are pretty much without exception accorded with more money and status than the jobs where you might find other people. One important issue is that women and people of color are barred from high-paying roles, but another is that the work that non-white, non-men do is enormously undervalued.

 
 

The problem is when dudes walk into a W&G studies course with the intent to be deliberately confrontational. And that does happen. It’s like me walking into an African American studies course and proclaiming that racism doesn’t exist. No, fuck that. That’s what we’re here to talk about, and if you can’t talking about it, then you need to GTFO.

In other words, those types of courses are heavily dogmatic. I couldn’t agree more.

I started college in the mid-1980s as an English major. Part of the curriculum at the schools I attended were critical theory and women’s studies courses (the latter being optional, the former not). All I can tell you is that my experience, at two different universities in that era, was not positive, although perhaps I justly got my fee fees hurt for being a privileged fuckstick.

So I switched to a hard science (geology) which involved a lot of math, chemistry, etc. I don’t remember seeing overarching sexism in those departments, but I couldn’t say for sure that it wasn’t there.

 
 

Here’s what I’m trying to get at – we are still talking about universities. Institutes of higher learning do a pretty good job of attracting privileged jerks and assholes of all kinds. Do women get treated badly in math and science classes? Yes. Do they get treated badly in Liberal Arts classes? Yes. From my experience with higher education (granted only at one University and caveat about anecdotes =/= data) Engineering had fewer chauvinist assholes than History, both in terms of faculty and student body.

Fucking History majors are teh worst – but it’s Physics and Math that get to wear the chauvinist pig hat.

 
 

but it’s Physics and Math that get to wear the chauvinist pig hat.

My experience with physics profs is that they hate all people equally.

 
 

Fucking History majors are teh worst – but it’s Physics and Math that get to wear the chauvinist pig hat.
Victor Davis Coriolanus Hanson is a good example.

 
 

All I can tell you is that my experience, at two different universities in that era, was not positive

Could we get some specifics here? What is “not good.”

although perhaps I justly got my fee fees hurt for being a privileged fuckstick.

Quite possible. I find that 95% of privileged fucksticks have no idea they’re privileged fucksticks.

 
 

Wait. Aren’t you teh d00d what derided all but 5 cuts of rap music for having simplistic beats? Couldn’t the drum part of Life’s Been Good To Me have been replaced by a metronome with an amplifier?

Yup. The five cuts that didn’t make my ears bleed had some redeeming musicianship with the instrumentals (as I said, mostly bass). Walsh is a pretty decent guitar player. It’s uh, you know, that melody thing.

 
 

1. Understanding social dynamics is a part of every field in which people work together. If the collective understanding of appropriate behavior allows for misogyny and thereby excludes women, that is a problem.
2. Points #1 and #2 don’t mesh well. Does the existence of scholarships for women eliminate the misogyny that you explained in #1? If not, how is it an adequate response to the problem?
3. Isn’t this kind of an absurd bar? If any man is ever treated badly just for being a man in a women’s study course, that is somehow equivalent to systematic discrimination in certain fields? It’s impossible to discuss without a specific example, but I do think that much of the time the perception of anti-male hostility has a lot to do with definitions of “treated badly” and “for being a man”.
4. Yes. There have been many studies done on this topic.

 
 

Fucking History majors are teh worst – but it’s Physics and Math that get to wear the chauvinist pig hat.

That said, I also understand that “well that asshole over there is much worse than me” is not justification for continuing to be a jerk. I’m just trying to point out that with respect to sexism – math and hard sciences get slagged disproportionately to their degree of offense. Or at least that’s the way it seems to me and as an engineer, I’m probably biased.

 
 

Could we get some specifics here? What is “not good.”

I don’t remember specifics because it was over 20 years ago. I just remember hating myself and ultimately having a nervous breakdown. I’m sure I deserved it though.

 
 

Sorry, 17:34 was @ DKW 17:13

 
 

Anyway, I’m sure that science departments and liberal arts departments have probably progressed over the last 20+ years.

 
Whiplash & The Variants
 

But then as McGravitas asserted, I’ve ‘never listened to rap.’ (Not easy being called out as liar–twice–publicly). But then, I don’t know shit, also repeated twice. Also, too, and moreover, I didn’t write one ad hominem thing about him. Didn’t use even a mild expletive, either. I guess our styles of discourse are different.

In the future, I can do without lectures on rudeness from him in the future.

 
 

pedestrian,

I’m not going to do a point-by-point rebuttal. I could, but I don’t think it would contribute to the discussion.

I’m not denying the existence of chauvinism or sexism in hard sciences – I do think it is overstated and exaggerated. Note – I’m not saying that it’s not a problem and I certainly do not mean to minimize or trivialize any experiences that victims of sexism have encountered. Those are real and I know that they do happen every day. It’s just that – at least from what I’ve seen – in this regard Math and Science are not spectacularly out of proportion with what happens in other faculties at a university. And they aren’t the worst offenders either.

 
 

I’ve also had some truly awful History professors. I think that it may have to do with the fact that they are discussing social issues and become fairly invulnerable once they have tenure. One literally taught the old racial hierarchies from the early days of anthropology and used the bell curve theory in class. He also taught as fact that there were no significant female mathematicians and composers and never would be. Christ, I hated that fucker.

I’m not sure about the hard sciences, but in the liberal arts you at least have some choice in who your professor will be. I sure as hell never took him again.

 
Whiplash & The Variants
 

Something I learned in the barracks. Sometimes you walk away (as I did last time). Sometimes you gotta shove back.

 
 

I think that it may have to do with the fact that they are discussing social issues and become fairly invulnerable once they have tenure.

I didn’t consider this part. It may seem like History profs and students are worse than mathsies and engineers because they have moar opportunity to. Their subject matter presents them with all sorts of chances to wax philisophical about the ionherent superiority of their identity group.

Still, my point is that holy shit those fuckers are some epically fucked up shitbags – and it grinds my gears that they basically get a free pass because the Calculus nerds are the real chauvinists.

 
 

I signed up for womens studies, was very disappointed when I didn’t actually get to study any women.

 
 

1. Understanding social interactions and dynamics isn’t part of the field of study. Not meant to excuse misogynistic behaviour, just an attempt to help explain it’s cause.

Totally. And I understand that people who are interested in the physical reality type shit instead of human relations type shit tend to be less knowledgeable about these things than those of us who sat in circles and sang songs during our undergrad years. (That wasn’t a poke at you–that was a poke at my education).

2. These disciplines have been engaged in outreach to women for decades – and not just in the “changing the name” sort of way. There are plenty of programs and scholarships that exist specifically to encourage women to enter those fields.

I was thinking about this when I was walking to get coffee and realized I was being a dick. I know that there have been serious efforts at outreach, and I appreciate it and I think it’s crucial. And, actually, I don’t think the underrepresentation of women in these fields is necessarily the fault of the culture within them, but in our culture as a whole. I, personally, became very convinced at a pretty early age that I sucked at math and science, and was never really encouraged to think otherwise. (This is also partly due to a poor math and science education in general, and obviously, this is a problem for everyone in this country).

3. You’ve really never seen a man treated badly in a women’s study class unless he somehow “deserved it”? I’m not saying that assholes shouldn’t get their comeuppance, but are you suggesting that men being treated badly just for being men never happens?

I have *literally* never seen it. I’ve seen a couple of guys get called on their privilege, but I’ve never seen them talked down to because they’re men, nor have I seen their experiences discounted. I’m sure it’s happened, though, and that sucks. As I said, there has been a real shift in women’s studies toward analyzing how ideas of gender (and race, and disability, etc etc) affect all of us, including straight dudes.

4. “Overarching sexism” in math and hard science – is there some sort of sexism-metre that’s used to determine this? I’m not trying to claim that math and science in academia are on the fore-front of progressive gender equality issues but (IME) it’s not exactly a cesspool of mouth-breathing chauvinist jerkwads anymore. Just a kinda stinky oildrum filled with chuavinist jerkwads, most of whom inhale through their nostrils.

Yeah, I was thinking about this, too, and realized I was making a lot of sweeping statements, which is unfair.

I know there are plenty of non-jerkasses in hard sciences, engineering, math, etc, and I know there are plenty of jerkasses in the liberal arts (including W&G studies).

As far as overarching sexism, I’m not accusing all men (or even most) within those fields of being sexist, nor am I saying that these are the only fields where there’s a culture of sexism (I mean, I fucking work in medicine).

I just know from reading about and talking to women who are in these fields that it can be difficult sometimes.

A few years ago, I read about the experience of a transman in physics, I think. He indicated that his experience as a woman was vastly different than his experience as a man. Obviously, that’s just *his* experience, but I think it does show that we have a way to go.

 
 

I keep going back to doing your mom.

Thanks for you ameliorating words, D-KW. The whole discussion in that thread totally derailed, and was about as ugly as anything I’ve seen here, as lurker or poster.

I hope you’re not a necrophiliac. My mother died when I was 24 (She was 51. My father died when I was 5 (He was 33). My youngest brother when I was 23. (He was 11.) Grief. I knows it.

 
 

Tag-fail. Also, I know the ‘your mom’ tradition at S,N. Please don’t do it with me. Thanks.

 
 

Also, dudes, I gotta be honest…the term “misandry” makes me recoil like it’s a fucking cobra. It’s like reverse racism.

 
 

Tag-fail. Also, I know the ‘your mom’ tradition at S,N. Please don’t do it with me. Thanks.

Noted and I apologize for any distress I may have caused.

Do you have any hot aunts?

 
 

I hope you’re not a necrophiliac.

Here we see an example of the ongoing marginalization of necrophiliacs in the field of snark.

 
 

Math and Science are not spectacularly out of proportion with what happens in other faculties at a university. And they aren’t the worst offenders either.

I appreciate your framing, and I’m really not trying to pick a fight. I think that the reason that people focus on math and the hard sciences is that women are underrepresented in those fields (though that is improving) and not in the humanities and social sciences.

One thing that I want to clarify is that I believe there is a difference between institutional sexism and individual sexism. Saying that women face barriers in the sciences does not mean that science professors are unusually sexist jerks or that male science students are misogynist fuckwads. That may be part of it, but it doesn’t tell the whole story. It is perfectly possible that male science professors are on average less sexist than male history professors. There are many other problems such as social norms, grade school education, and the presence of role models that college science faculty have little control over. BUT, it is still something that people in the sciences should be concerned with and correcting misogyny at the college and professional level only helps.

 
 

Also, dudes, I gotta be honest…the term “misandry” makes me recoil like it’s a fucking cobra.

Just trying to use the proper word. It’s not like I didn’t learn NOTHING as an English major.

 
 

I remember the old radio show from when I was a wee lad, Ogyny and Andry. I wish they’d bring that show back. Mind you I don’t miss Andry, but I really, really miss Ogyny.

 
 

I have *literally* never seen it. I’ve seen a couple of guys get called on their privilege, but I’ve never seen them talked down to because they’re men, nor have I seen their experiences discounted. I’m sure it’s happened, though, and that sucks. As I said, there has been a real shift in women’s studies toward analyzing how ideas of gender (and race, and disability, etc etc) affect all of us, including straight dudes.

Maybe privilege cuts both ways.

That said, you made an important point about perspective. Whether or not someone (regardless of gender) has their feelings hurt in a Gender Studies class seems like a small thing. Unless you’re the person who had their feelings hurt, in which case the importance of it is for you to decide.

 
 

But, her laziness is manifest in her thinking. She cannot conceive of what should be the most logical explanation for the dearth of conservatives in academia: Students probably enter college in ratios similar to national averages for “conservative” and “liberal,” but, while in college, they learn things that cause them to become more liberal
also this:
In other words, a professor is almost twice as likely to support the Democratic party as a member of the general population, and about 80% less likely to support the GOP. By contrast, a military officer is about 40% more likely to identify as a Republican as someone in the general population, and about as likely to identify as a Democrat.

well, no shit, sherlock! could it be that republicans are likely to advocate cutting the funding for education and putting into the military? who wants to be on the losing side of a budget cut?

 
 

In other words, those types of courses are heavily dogmatic. I couldn’t agree more.

Not really. If you’re studying oppression (which is, in part, what W&G studies are about), you have to first admit that it exists.

All I can tell you is that my experience, at two different universities in that era, was not positive, although perhaps I justly got my fee fees hurt for being a privileged fuckstick.

I don’t know. If you were honestly engaging in discourse in good faith and listened to what others had to say, then that really sucks.

I will also say that the W&G studies environment is VASTLY VASTLY different now than it was in the 80s. The 80s were the tail end of the second wave, and women were still having to push for basic shit that people my age take for granted now. They probably were more militant, and quite honestly, I think that was okay, and even necessary.

 
 

There are literal shitloads of conservative profs in math and the hard sciences as well.

also, the better-funded departments in my experience…

 
 

Men go to women’s studies classes? And there’s a record of them being treated poorly?

Yup. In the MFA program, I took a grad course in Women’s Literature. Wanted to broaden my scope as a writer and gain insight on writing women characters. (BTW, superb essay on the subject on Spengler’s writing site!)

I was the only male in the class. Not treated well in discussions, so eventually I sat silent. The hostility was palpable.

 
 

Just trying to use the proper word. It’s not like I didn’t learn NOTHING as an English major.

I know. It’s a super-loaded term, though, and it’s not like many people are aware of that. It’s usually used by men’s rights advocates who think that they’re systematically oppressed for having penises.

 
 

They probably were more militant, and quite honestly, I think that was okay, and even necessary.

Perhaps. I just wish they had included that in the course descriptions.

 
 

My experience in academia is mostly in the hard sciences. In that arena politics rarely comes up but I always had the impression that most of the profs (and gradual students and post-docs, etc) were well down the left end of the spectrum. When Horrorwits was first getting attention with his waaahing my explanation for the liberal tilt is that conservatives tend not to care much about evidence. They are unlikely to dispassionately review data before making assertions. They are loath to accept criticism. They aren’t even interested in delving deeply into a topic before forming an opinion. All traits, of course, exemplifying the academic mindset.

At the same time, academics care more for what someone does. Respect depends on whether they are good at what they do, not on the color of their skin or dangly/non-dangly bits.

In short academia is (ideally) completely in conflict with conservative principles.

 
 

I hear lots of horror stories re:women in math and science classes
oh, so true for me in k-12…in college, i had teh BEST experience in math…i’m not bright in that category at all and ended up taking computer science to fulfill my math requirement. i had a lovely, lovely spanish man nicknamed ‘andy’ and he was the most patient, uplifting prof ever! he would work and work with me to even get the simplest concepts, practically feeding me the answer. then when i would finally get it, he would clap his hands and shout, ‘see! you are a genius!’ oh, how i loved him…also, he and his wife were a tag team in the math and science department…

 
 

My experience was aggravated by the fact that both professors were dogmatic deconstructionists. I learned things in the class, especially through the reading lists. I’m not sorry that I took it.

 
 

Fucking History majors are teh worst
nope, poli-sci majors…

 
 

Maybe privilege cuts both ways.

It’s complicated. I will say that when I took a trans studies course, I felt like people treated me differently (femme, married to a dude, usually in my work clothes) than they treated people who were queer. But I was okay with that, because this was their space to talk about shit that affected them. I may have been in the minority, and I may have been slightly uncomfortable sometimes, but they have to encounter hostility pretty much every day simply because of who they are.

That said, you made an important point about perspective. Whether or not someone (regardless of gender) has their feelings hurt in a Gender Studies class seems like a small thing. Unless you’re the person who had their feelings hurt, in which case the importance of it is for you to decide.

Here’s the thing (to echo what I said earlier): society is fucking HOSTILE to feminism. It is. It is HOSTILE to queer people, especially transpeople. While I don’t like it when people have their feelings hurt and think that they’re perfectly within their rights to feel however they want to feel, you have to understand that that is completely, utterly, entirely different than functioning as a non-normative person in this society.

Sometimes oppressed people ain’t gonna be nice.

 
 

Holy fuck! Wonkette has the latest Luntz focus group from Iowa. Go. Listen. Choose means of suicide.

 
 

There are literal shitloads of conservative profs in math and the hard sciences as well.

Perhaps this may have something to do with the treatment of women in these classes.

 
 

“Women’s and Gender Studies,” which is an attempt to welcome men of all types (and genderqueers) into the field, which is shifting to a post-third wave culture that focuses on all the ways that gender affects human relationships.

That’s great! Also, my experience was over twenty year ago. I’m sure things have changed, and, from T&U’s comment–changing for the better.

 
 

Another tag-fail! I gotta set up some coffee and bear down more.

 
 

But then as McGravitas asserted, I’ve ‘never listened to rap.’ (Not easy being called out as liar–twice–publicly). But then, I don’t know shit, also repeated twice. Also, too, and moreover, I didn’t write one ad hominem thing about him. Didn’t use even a mild expletive, either. I guess our styles of discourse are different.

Wait up, did you have an argument with McGravitas about rap where you asserted that the problem with the rap music was simplistic beats? In which monster thread which I guess I should have bothered to comb through after all did this take place? This seems to good be true. The sexism in academia controversy is interesting but this is a whole ‘nother thing.

 
 

I was the only male in the class. Not treated well in discussions, so eventually I sat silent. The hostility was palpable.

As a nursing student in the mid 1970s I got lots of disproportionate scorn from the instructors (all were female), seemingly for being male (two males/125 females in the freshman class). I changed to chemistry after a year.

 
 

In which monster thread which I guess I should have bothered to comb through after all did this take place?

The White Stuff thread. (Oh, irony).

It was actually mostly me ranting for long paragraphs and then McG telling people they were full of shit.

 
 

Not treated well in discussions

I have no idea what to do with this information. “not well” and “not good” give me nothing to go on.

 
 

I have no idea what to do with this information. “not well” and “not good” give me nothing to go on.

Pay attention to his next sentence: “The hostility was palpable.” I’m sure you’ve felt that way around certain men, even if you couldn’t type the reason why. Women can make men feel the same way.

 
 

McG telling people they were full of shit.

Happy to stand by that one.

 
 

Also too…confession time: I never graduated college (which is why I’m at a distinct disadvantage during some conversations, especially history-related ones. Even recent history.). I went to a small community college for a semester and a dinky little college in on the OK/TX border for another semester. So I never got a chance to take Women’s Studies or experience a lot of even the non-academic stuff that goes along with being an honest-to-gosh college student.

I would have loved to have taken a Women’s Studies class…mostly so I could see all this shitty treatment of men up close!

 
 

Pay attention to his next sentence

The hostility is palpable.

 
 

Cutting and pasting so I don’t have to type it:

I almost always want to respond with that line from Public Enemy’s Prophets of Rage, from the It Takes A Nation Of Millions To hold Us Back LP: A voice (likely a white man’s) states, to a black man, “You‘re quite hostile.” And the black man responds with, “I got a RIGHT to be hostile, man, my people’s been persecuted!”

I develop some butthurt once in a while and thinking about this helps.

 
 

Women can make men feel the same way.

Yeah, but men aren’t told all their lives that they shouldn’t walk alone in the dark/should wear pants/carry mace/check their backseats/take their drinks with them to the bathroom/not drink/not dress “too provocatively” etc etc etc or someone will rape them.

Furthermore, while I’m not discounting male rape/sexual assault victims at ALL, women have been disproportionately affected by male sexual violence. I can think of at least TWELVE women that I’m close to off the top of my head who have been sexually assaulted in some way. Most of my close friends have been victims of some form of sexual violence/coercion. Hell, I’ve been a victim of sexual violence and coercion.

Women are more likely to die at the hands of their intimate partner than anyone else. If we can’t trust our own husbands/boyfriends not to hurt us, do you understand why we might be wary of or openly hostile to male strangers?

Shorter me: “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”
— Margaret Atwood

 
 

I develop some butthurt once in a while and thinking about this helps.

You know, you’re not a bad dude.

 
 

I mean, dudes, at the HR3 yesterday there were, like, 12 men discussing what women should do with their uteruses, and some of them were basically calling women murderers. Only TWO women were at that hearing and one was forced birth. These are policies that DIRECTLY AFFECT WOMEN and we’re barely allowed in the fucking conversation.

 
Hugh Jas Hooversround
 

…a 400 foot tall Shakira…

Yep.

 
 

None of which I’m disputing, T&U. Just understand that your wariness and open hostility affects the men who aren’t trying to rape you. Especially when you are in a position of power relative to the man (e.g., professor/student).

 
 

I mean, dudes, at the HR3 yesterday there were, like, 12 men discussing what women should do with their uteruses, and some of them were basically calling women murderers. Only TWO women were at that hearing and one was forced birth. These are policies that DIRECTLY AFFECT WOMEN and we’re barely allowed in the fucking conversation.

But but but…women…oh fuck…there’s gotta be something commensurate I think of to say about men and their bodies…nope, nothing.

 
 

Noted and I apologize for any distress I may have caused.

Do you have any hot aunts?

I didn’t mean you [singular], but you [plural] for the community. Thanks for your [singular] sensitivity.

Aunts mostly dead, some very elderly. Have two hawt nieces though! Use them if you find it amusing or necessary. (Hell, make ’em a tandem and double yer fun.)

 
 

“Shorter me: “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”
— Margaret Atwood”

Yeah, well, you will never understand the hurt that comes when a woman points and laughs…………….or so I’ve heard.

 
 

While I don’t like it when people have their feelings hurt and think that they’re perfectly within their rights to feel however they want to feel, you have to understand that that is completely, utterly, entirely different than functioning as a non-normative person in this society.

Exactly. I can’t speak for every situation, but usually when I feel like I’m being hated for being male, it’s in my head. It really is. That isn’t hate, it’s the feeling of being non-normative. I don’t just mean, “omigod everyone hates me!” paranoia, I mean having my basic identity, the value of my experiences, even my authority to speak for myself called into question.

Any time I’m in a space where I feel uncomfortable because I’m not black enough or not female enough or not disabled enough, I just imagine feeling that way all the time. Maybe it is easier for me to do that because I’m poor, queer, and mixed-race, but I think that everyone has some experience to draw on.

 
 

Nicely said, Sub & pedestrian.

 
 

This seems to good be true. The sexism in academia controversy is interesting but this is a whole ‘nother thing.

Sure is. I’ll just observe this time.

Happy to stand by that one.

Sure. I expected as much from you.

 
 

Yeah, well, you will never understand the hurt that comes when a woman points and laughs…………….or so I’ve heard.

That’s generally a result of “Shorter me:”………..or so I’ve heard.

 
 

None of which I’m disputing, T&U. Just understand that your wariness and open hostility affects the men who aren’t trying to rape you. Especially when you are in a position of power relative to the man (e.g., professor/student).

How do we know you’re not trying to rape us? Rapists don’t wear signs, and they’re usually people we know. We’re allowed some form of self-preservation even if it hurts other people’s feelings.

I’ve had friends who were followed by dudes who seemed completely normal–one actually had to get off her bike and HIDE from them so she could call the cops; I’ve been called a fucking bitch for rejecting a guy’s advances; my friends who live in NY are catcalled on a CONSTANT basis and have had men be hostile to them when they don’t act flattered and on and on and on. Forgive us if we’re a little scarred.

 
 

Oh, and I didn’t mention the several friends that I have who have been raped by acquaintances or their partners.

 
 

Any time I’m in a space where I feel uncomfortable because I’m not black enough or not female enough or not disabled enough, I just imagine feeling that way all the time.

I was going to post basically this, then saw you beat me to it. And I’m not queer, or poor, or meaningfully mixed-race, so you’re right about everyone having some experience to draw on.

 
 

Just understand that your wariness and open hostility affects the men who aren’t trying to rape you.

This is what we call, “blaming the victim”. The problem isn’t women who are wary and seem hostile, the problem is the men who rape them and the society that doesn’t much care. Men who understand this will not take it personally if women are wary and hostile. Why should women be expected to be stoic under the threat of rape and murder, if men can’t even deal with a little hostility?

And for what it’s worth, I’m not denouncing you, I’m denouncing your argument.

 
 

Any time I’m in a space where I feel uncomfortable because I’m not black enough or not female enough or not disabled enough, I just imagine feeling that way all the time.

YES!

God, why can’t I be succinct?

 
 

TruculentandUnreliable said,

February 9, 2011 at 16:40

This.

Also, this thread is interesting as hell. I’m keeping my grandstanding pseudointellectual, man-feminist ass out of it for the nonce.

 
 

confession time: I never graduated college

In my first incarnation as college student, I walked away. Some relatives gave me some grief about it. I told my studies were getting in way of my education.

You are an educated person, VS. Certification from a certification factory isn’t the same thing. I’m sure we’ve all encountered ‘educated’ idiots.

 
 

I totes agree, Spengler. Fascinating to read. And I learn stuff.

 
 

Thanks, Spengler. I’m glad I produced something of merit even if I haven’t been doing any work or finishing this blog post I’ve been working on.

 
 

I just have to add that every time I leave the house to jog, I keep in mind that I may be raped or murdered. Do I dwell on this? No. I try to enjoy my walks and runs. But every time I pass a man on the street, I prepare myself to run…fast. Which is why I only jog in places that are frequented by cars and have houses. I am obsessive about having the doors and windows in my house locked at all times. Would this sort of subtle, pervasive fear be so much a part of my life if I were a man? No, probably not.

Also, I have had cars stop and had drivers leer at me. Really LEER. Sometimes I can’t tell if you’re just appreciating or you want to murder me.

 
 

You are an educated person, VS.

Thank you…I like to think so.

I’m sure we’ve all encountered ‘educated’ idiots.

All the time. ALL. THE. TIME.

 
 

These are policies that DIRECTLY AFFECT WOMEN and we’re barely allowed in the fucking conversation

god, t & u, i think i love you…

 
 

Clearly, I believe this is a male-dominated, heteronormative world, and that’s one of the biggest problems facing our species; I’ve lost some readers for the novel because it flies directly in the face of horror/ action genre conventions that demand women be victims or partners in male-directed activities.

I have to note, however, that all I want to do is fuck the hunnies.

 
 

god, t & u, i think i love you…

Yeah. She’s winning the intertubes today.

 
 

Also, I have had cars stop and had drivers leer at me. Really LEER.

Ugh. I hate that. A couple of times, dudes have kind of tried to keep pace with me in their cars while I’m on my bike, and not only is it creepy, it’s fucking dangerous.

 
 

VS, I dropped out of art school, if that’s any consolation. A fairly alert rabbit could have graduated from there. The educational system is designed for the majority of people who can be educated in that particular manner, and to streamline our societal operations, other approaches are not used. I couldn’t do it that way. There are other, totes valid approaches to larnin’.

 
 

Also, I have had cars stop and had drivers leer at me. Really LEER.

Ugh. I hate that. A couple of times, dudes have kind of tried to keep pace with me in their cars while I’m on my bike, and not only is it creepy, it’s fucking dangerous.

there are distinct advantages to living in a town with a population of 110. although we have just as much violence against women…it’s just really covered up because everybody knows each other…

 
 

All I was doing was pointing out that the discrimination that women sometimes feel in science classes has an analog for men in other departments.

 
 

Thank you, ladies!

ve lost some readers for the novel because it flies directly in the face of horror/ action genre conventions that demand women be victims or partners in male-directed activities.

You have no idea how happy it made me that your main character was a woman. Not only a woman, but a woman with physical flaws who was a person, not some kind of sexbot with superpowers. AND that there were other badass female characters.

 
 

VS, I dropped out of art school, if that’s any consolation.

It is, actually.

There are other, totes valid approaches to larnin’.

I’ve probably learned a shitload of stuff just from reading this blog.

 
 

Also, I have had cars stop and had drivers leer at me. Really LEER. Sometimes I can’t tell if you’re just appreciating or you want to murder me.

Yeah, I think a lot of men think that rape fear is the equivalent of worrying about being mugged. But I’ve walked behind women at an angle that allows me to see what she sees and it is astounding how many men make rapist eyes. This is something men don’t experience.

I was also groped on a train once. Once. When I told the story to female coworkers, they were like, “Yeah. it happens ALL THE TIME.” When I share this anecdote around men, they usually snicker and assume that it reflects on me. Somehow being groped reduces me to near-femaleness, because this would never happen to a real man. This shit is fucked up.

 
 

You have no idea how happy it made me that your main character was a woman. Not only a woman, but a woman with physical flaws who was a person, not some kind of sexbot with superpowers. AND that there were other badass female characters.

Well, crap. I guess Spengler just lost the lone hold-out. Now I gotta read it too.

 
 

there are distinct advantages to living in a town with a population of 110.

I face a lot fewer problems than my friends who live in larger cities, for sure. Of course, I don’t really leave the house much, either, and I don’t take public transit as much as I used to.

All I was doing was pointing out that the discrimination that women sometimes feel in science classes has an analog for men in other departments.

I know, and that’s fine. All I’m trying to say is that they’re different.

 
 

there are distinct advantages to living in a town with a population of 110. although we have just as much violence against women…it’s just really covered up because everybody knows each other…

Hmm. And here I thought the “everybody knowing each other” factor would mitigate violence against women. Guess that’s not how it works…

 
 

god, t & u, i think i love you…

Yeah. She’s winning the intertubes today.

Both of you! I’m supposed to be getting work done, but it’s unpossible.

 
 

Also, I have had cars stop and had drivers leer at me. Really LEER.

I would love to be able criminalize that type shit. I’ve been in I don’t know how many near misses with some jackass slamming the brakes for a woman on a bike. It’s fucking pathetic.

 
 

<iThere are a lot of lazy, over-privileged, pseudo-intellectuals out there

Uh oh.

Fucking History majors are teh worst

Double uh oh.

At least no one has (yet) denounced bass players as the monsters they are. I’m a gonna stay out of this one.

 
 

It’s fucking pathetic.

Right?

You almost just killed me? Of course I’ll give you my number! Hey, why don’t I get in the car with you and we can fuck right here? There’s nothing hotter than some asshole who’s willing to hold up traffic to yell out the window at me.

 
 

Plus, bass players are not good at tags.

 
 

T&U’s hawt, that’s the thing.

 
 

At least no one has (yet) denounced bass players as the monsters they are. I’m a gonna stay out of this one.

What do you call a bass player that just broke up with his girlfriend?

Homeless.

 
 

I just have to add that every time I leave the house to jog, I keep in mind that I may be raped or murdered.

These books won’t help.

#2 on the second page is perhaps the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen published.

 
 

You almost just killed me? Of course I’ll give you my number! Hey, why don’t I get in the car with you and we can fuck right here? There’s nothing hotter than some asshole who’s willing to hold up traffic to yell out the window at me.

Exactly! What kind of over-privledged dingleberry thinks people enjoy being harassed by strangers?

On the other hand they could be just worthless losers and leering is the only power they have in their lives.

 
 

Fucking History majors are teh worst….

I’ve also had some truly awful History professors….

Okay, I’ll toss in some stuff. I’ve always loved history and still do. I would guess I read more history than fiction. (They grow from the same trunk of storytelling in the mists of time.)

I was extremely fortunate to encounter wonderful history teachers in high school and college. That said, there was heavily Marxist influence in historical analysis when I studied in the late 60’s — early 70’s. Marxism held a special siren-song appeal for historians: Everything is driven by Historical Necessity, doncha know. History held the Key to Everything. You were initiated in a Special Understanding of how the world works.

The University of Iowa’s History Department was riddled with it. (Most profs were, however, scrupulously fair in grading, and open to other points of view.) I gravitated toward an exceptional historian who was somewhat of maverick; he mentored me. He also had a marvelous sense of the humility good historians must bring to their work…and a healthy skepticism about sources: Near his desk he had a framed quote from Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man:

“History tells who slept with whom, and with what results. It tells who fought, and who won, and who lived to lie about it afterwords.”

 
 

T&U’s hawt, that’s the thing.

It’s quite a burden.

Guess who is leaving at 1:00??? Go on, GUESS!

 
 

What am I chopped liver? Says the woman who just spent the last 2 hours attempting to all feminist and shit…

 
 

All women are hawt in their varied ways. Unless conservative. Then they’re merely ornamental.

 
 

“If you are attacked by a scuba diver, then you are in trouble!” Awesome.

 
 

Ever type something then instantly regret it?

 
smedley, commenter of record
 

“Guess who is leaving at 1:00??? Go on, GUESS!”

Well, it ain’t teh funny. Teh funny hasn’t been around all day.

 
 

All I was doing was pointing out that the discrimination that women sometimes feel in science classes has an analog for men in other departments.

FWIW it’s not the same in my opinion, which of course you may take with a grain of salt: men in gender studies classes aren’t treated as if they’re less likely to completely grasp some concepts because they’re innately mentally inferior in some way, but rather because as a member of the privileged class since birth they have a completely different frame of reference.

 
 

Ever type something then instantly regret it?

Yes. I wish there was an edit button.

Well, it ain’t teh funny. Teh funny hasn’t been around all day.

My co-worker, silly!

Don’t worry; I’m removing my Humorless Feminist hat. It gets all sweaty.

 
 

Doo de dooo, back from lunch. Hmmm, wonder how the gender relations threadle is going.
Aunts mostly dead, some very elderly. Have two hawt nieces though! Use them if you find it amusing or necessary. (Hell, make ‘em a tandem and double yer fun.)
Oh yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. Do either of your hawt nieces happen to be mothers?

 
 

Here’s something kind of interesting/funny

Maybe we’ve been going about this all wrong. Instead of introducing legislators to gay families, we should be encouraging them to meet with gay opponents

 
 

Ever type something then instantly regret it?

Almost every time. I console myself with the fact that most everyone forgets it quickly.

 
 

FWIW it’s not the same in my opinion, which of course you may take with a grain of salt: men in gender studies classes aren’t treated as if they’re less likely to completely grasp some concepts because they’re innately mentally inferior in some way, but rather because as a member of the privileged class since birth they have a completely different frame of reference.

Uh, you do know that there are all sorts of sexist guys who have exactly the same argument – that women aren’t mentally inferior, just that they’re better suited to nurturing babies than working with equations.

If a guy is taking a women’s studies class there’s a good chance that it’s because he is genuinely interested in learning. There’s a bit of stigma for him to overcome just in enrolling. It’s actually possible that he already has a good idea about the nature of privilege and is aware that there are fundamental things that he simply takes for granted.

Well, either that or he’s a moron who thinks it’d be a great place to pick up chicks.

 
 

Well, I got time for one post and then back to work in the eutectic mines. And I loaded this page an hour ago so pardon any staleness:

1) After the rap debate (Sunday afternoon, iirc) I just don’t have time to flirt with Miss Ogeny and Ms. Androny. But I do have some tales about my buddy in college who decided he was gonna fulfill his PE requirement by signing up for Field Hockey.

He still limps, 25 years later.

2) The Joe Walsh link was just a funny. A delayed reply to T&U’s link to Napoleon XIV.

3) Learned this morning that Nargul, the lead singer of Behemoth – the band that gets the Easy Listening treatment linked earlier – was diagnosed with Leukemia last spring, and had a bone marrow transplant last month. [makes devil horns] Rock on dude. Death Metal is hard fucking work.

 
 

OT, Gawker has a great roundup on the latest wingnut batshit insanity about Egypt.

 
 

“everybody knowing each other” factor would mitigate violence against women

sadly, no! especially in an area that is economically depressed and sparsely populated…in fact my entire county has around 5,000 people living in it…drinking is a favorite pasttime and you combine a little alcohol with economic stress and boredom and guess what you get? but we do have a network of safety houses and resources for those who use them…but then again, you don’t want your neighbor or banker or kids’ teacher knowing you have these kinds of issues…

 
 

Off topic: I just learned that Actor 212 is dealing with the death of his mother. If you care to, you can leave comments for him at his blog: http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/2011/02/time-out.html

 
 

FWIW it’s not the same in my opinion, which of course you may take with a grain of salt: men in gender studies classes aren’t treated as if they’re less likely to completely grasp some concepts because they’re innately mentally inferior in some way, but rather because as a member of the privileged class since birth they have a completely different frame of reference.

Uh, you do know that there are all sorts of sexist guys who have exactly the same argument – that women aren’t mentally inferior, just that they’re better suited to nurturing babies than working with equations.

That analogy doesn’t work well. The argument isn’t exactly the same and can’t be and is stupid, while pretty obviously the former argument should be uncontroversial.

 
 


APPLYING PRESSURE AGAINST JOINTS TO SURPRISE, BEWILDER AND GAIN THE ADMIRATION OF YOUR ATTACKER

nothing completes a good mugging and/or rape like gaining the admiration of your attacker…

 
 

These books won’t help.

I played “demonstration dummy” in a self-defense course in which the instructor (who was six-six, 280 lbs) was teaching a bunch of 11-12 year old girls how a five-foot tall person could handle a six foot assailant. While fluent in English, he really didn’t have a handle on what words were considered vulgar, so the lesson went as follows (mind you, the girls were 11 and 12 years old):

“You watch movie and karate woman beats crap out of man, but this is bullshit- in the real world, an ordinary woman cannot fight an ordinary man like a man… she must fight like a woman, nice and soft! Make him think he is nicest guy in world.”

Commences rubbing my face, speaking in falsetto: “Oh, so nice!”

Then he jabs his thumbs in my eyes (I’m thinking, “Oh, God, my contacts!”). Soon after, the knee comes up, just a gentle love tap that sends me to the mat in a heap.

The girls are dumbfounded, staring with open mouths, and he yells at them, “WHAT? Don’t worry about him, if he was worrying about you, he wouldn’t hassle you in first place!”

Good times!

 
 

that women aren’t mentally inferior, just that they’re better suited to nurturing babies than working with equations.

Believing women are less well-suited to math because female brains are made for mothering, especially while valuing math and not valuing motherhood, *is* believing that women are mentally inferior.

 
 

The argument isn’t exactly the same

By this argument I mean “the argument from sexist guy”.

 
 

OT, Gawker has a great roundup on the latest wingnut batshit insanity about Egypt.

Wow. People are protesting in Tunisia and Egypt. Other protests occurred recently in France and the UK. Europe is across the Mediterranean from Europe. That adds up to a Eurabian Caliphate, no other way to interpret it. I wonder why the media isn’t reporting this?

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

APPLYING PRESSURE AGAINST JOINTS TO SURPRISE, BEWILDER AND GAIN THE ADMIRATION OF YOUR ATTACKER
nothing completes a good mugging and/or rape like gaining the admiration of your attacker…

That’s not self defense, that’s foreplay. The safe word is atemi.

 
 

How is saying “You don’t have the same experiences that I do, so you can’t understand this subject (which is about my life) in the same way that I can?” the same thing as “Women can’t understand math because they like babies.”

I mean, you’re not me. You don’t live my life. For you, “women’s studies” is academic. For women, it’s part of their experiences. You don’t live your life marked by not being able to do math (unless there are sexist/racist/disablist assumptions along with it).

 
 

Sorry, DKW, I meant to address you directly and not just send that out into the ether. I’m just failing to see the connection.

 
 

OT, Gawker has a great roundup on the latest wingnut batshit insanity about Egypt.

Gold star to this commenter;

It kills me when people come to Britain expecting to meet Mary Poppins, and conclude that we live under a caliphate just because chicken masala is the main item on the menu.

I’ve seen righties peddling similar idiocy about France, Switzerland and New York City that this sentence, with minor tweakage, should be applied to also.

But don’t you call them stupid. Or ignorant. Or prejudiced.

 
 

I wish there was an edit button.

They’ve got an edit button at Balloon Juice. I find it doesn’t help much.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

But don’t you call them stupid. Or ignorant. Or prejudiced.

Nah, call them that, just speak r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y.

 
 

As is so often the case with wingnuts, the Eurabia stuff is simple projection.

 
 

It kills me when people come to Britain expecting to meet Mary Poppins, and conclude that we live under a caliphate just because chicken masala is the main item on the menu.

sure, you will run across the brain-dead tourist once in a while, but really? they think this is a valid comment?

well, guess what? i hate going to britain and being treated and/or expected to behave like a sterotypical loud, pushy, dumb, obnoxious american…CUZ I’M NOT SO SHUT UP!

 
 

As is so often the case with wingnuts, the Eurabia stuff is simple projection.

I find it almost sweet how pro-European they get the minute scary brown people enter the equation.

I mean, I would almost find it touching, except that, you know, fuck them.

 
 

A little good news.

 
 

sure, you will run across the brain-dead tourist once in a while, but really? they think this is a valid comment?

I don’t think he’s talking about you or the average tourist. He’s talking about that exact brain-dead tourist demographic – which tends to overlap with the people discussed here who watch Glenn Beck and are scared of Eurabia.

 
 

I don’t think he’s talking about you or the average tourist. He’s talking about that exact brain-dead tourist demographic – which tends to overlap with the people discussed here who watch Glenn Beck and are scared of Eurabia.
ahhhh…thanks for pointing that out…i do tend to take things personally…glad there are those like you, whose objectivity skillz actually work…

 
 

I’m glad I produced something of merit even if I haven’t been doing any work or finishing this blog post I’ve been working on.

FINISH THE BLOG-POST.
Vote also.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

As is so often the case with wingnuts, the Eurabia stuff is simple projection.

With a heaping helping of fatwah-envy.

 
 

Hey, I’ve been wrong before. Certainly there is the question of persepctive and scope and how it impacts and all that, but I think that “men aren’t suited to women’s studies/gender studies” shares a lot with “women aren’t suited to math”.

Is it necessary to be a woman to understand gender issues? I don’t think so. No one’s experiences are the same as anyone else’s and I personally believe that variation within a gender is way higher than between genders. I think that there are specific individual men who understand the impact of gender issues on specific individual women better than most other women, including those taking women’s studies. That’s just my opinion though.

OTOH, I concede the point that arguing that one’s experiences shapes one’s ability to deal with the subject is signficantly different than “your girl cooties makes your brain bad with numbers”.

Regarding the issue of “inferior” – that’s a subjective label and if a guy elects to go into gender studies then (again IMO) it’s reasonable to assume that being considered “not as well suited to gender studies” is being labelled inferior.

 
 

I took a couple women’s studies classes in college (on of my minors was in sociology). I was generally one of maybe five dudes and, most of the time, the only one that ever opened his mouth. On many occasion, my fellow students or the instructor would tell me, in so many words, “Matt, you’re full of shit as a Christmas goose, you stump-jumper you. Here is why.” Usually, they were right and I’d think to myself, “Hmmm. Maybe I’m wrong and should reassess my thinking.” Never once were my fee fees hurt beyond simple incomprehension. I’m probably not a real man, though, and I’ve been told as such before.

At least no one has (yet) denounced bass players as the monsters they are.

Man, fuck a bunch of bass players.

 
 

Last night as I was fooling around in the kitchen to come up with something for dinner, completely winging it, I made a sauce/glaze for some pr0k chops with some tamarind paste. Gawdamn, tamarind is fucking perfect for pork! Yeah, my SE Asian culinary chops are woefully under-developed.

 
 

I think that “men aren’t suited to women’s studies/gender studies” shares a lot with “women aren’t suited to math”.

Well, first you have to identify who has said “men aren’t suited to women’s studies/gender studies” and then compare the size of that group to the size of the group that says “women aren’t suited to math” and also notice that neither group is necessary for in-class hostility. It’s just not a comparison that functions well.

 
 

My experience of the academic world SHITBURGER is that most faculties FELCHBAG are equally biassed against FUCKSTICK Tourette’s syndrome.

 
Science-talking Guy
 

Variants, please do us all a big favor and stop visiting here. Nobody wants to hear your idiotic bullshit anymore.

FUCK OFF AND DIE. Or don’t. But please quit fouling up this site with your sophomoric nonsense.

Digg.com would be a MUCH better fit for you. I don’t know how you came across sadlyno, but you are not welcome.

 
 

FWIW it’s not the same in my opinion, which of course you may take with a grain of salt: men in gender studies classes aren’t treated as if they’re less likely to completely grasp some concepts because they’re innately mentally inferior in some way, but rather because as a member of the privileged class since birth they have a completely different frame of reference.

I think you’re exactly right. But practically speaking, from the perspective of a student in the class, there’s no difference. Either you’re innately mentally inferior because of your gender, or you’re innately mentally inferior because of your frame of reference, by which is meant your gender. How is one less fair than the other?

 
Science-talking Guy
 

also: YOUR MOM * 10^23

If you can’t handle a your mom joke, you REALLY shouldn’t be posting here. Also, if you’re stupid and not funny. But mostly the your mom thing.

 
 

Here’s a thing – coming from the male-dominated field that is engineering, a lot of the women I had as classmates were pretty darned exceptional. The commitment level to the subject matter was generally higher, they just seemed to care more. My take on it was that since engineering was so unattractive for women to study, there was a self-selection pressure eliminating the “average at engineering” women from the classroom. Dropout and transfer rates were significantly higher amongst men.

Although I haven’t ever taken gender studies and have no way of actually knowing, I don’t see why this dynamic wouldn’t apply elsewhere.

Well other than the issue that, yes there probably is at least some benefit to being a woman when trying to understand woman’s issues and there isn’t any benefit to being a guy in trying to understand math and physics.

But I still hold that this advantage is significantly less than the gap between the capabilities of the individuals in the gender studies class considered as a whole.

I dunno if that makes sense or not. My approach to it would be to draw a graph – and perhaps this specific scenario isn’t greatly suited to that approach. I mean quantifying someone’s “gender studies skillz” with a single number seems kinda missing the point. Anyways, that’s all I was trying to say.

 
 

On many occasion, my fellow students or the instructor would tell me, in so many words, “Matt, you’re full of shit as a Christmas goose, you stump-jumper you. Here is why.” Usually, they were right and I’d think to myself, “Hmmm. Maybe I’m wrong and should reassess my thinking.”

The man (or woman) who can do this is rare. I really applaud your maturity.

I’m going to wonder aloud obnoxiously here…in regards to all the men who had an “not good” time in women’s studies class…I wonder if they didn’t experience something similar to Matt T. and mistake “you’re wrong” for “you’re a piece of shit man”, because being wrong is unpleasant. I know. I am wrong sometimes. It’s not fun.

 
 

Variants, please do us all a big favor and stop visiting here.

Geez. I don’t endorse that. But I do endorse people using killfiles and Djur’s handy RSS filter if they’re that annoyed.

Look at what’s between the pipes and follow the pattern.

http://djur.desperance.net/sadlyno/rss/feed?bad_users=|Disemv*|Truth*|CONTINUE*|The+Foo*|troll*|

Killfiles here.

 
 

My take on it was that since engineering was so unattractive for women to study

The thing is that many countries outside North America produce a lot of female engineering graduates. There are a lot of ways to account for the differences that don’t have to do with the general atmosphere, but, you know, what the fuck is wrong with the general atmosphere?

 
 

Geez. I don’t endorse that. But I do endorse people using killfiles and Djur’s handy RSS filter if they’re that annoyed.
agreed! with the first two sentences…i do not know why he is being such a tool. but anyhoo, being a relative new-comer here, i am glad to finally know the secrets of the killfiles and such that i have heard y’all speak of…i am hideously technophobic…and not because i’m a girl…

 
 

Also too, just to re-iterate the point about perspective. I mean, for the guy who gets slagged in women’s studies solely due to his gender – it’s probably not a small thing. But with respect to the obvious gender disparity in math, science and engineering – it is a small thing*.

*That’s a veiled cheap shot at women’s studies – the implication being that society just cares so much less about treating others as equal human beings than it does about making ever smaller cellphones and longer lasting road paving materials. Especially devastating because it is true.

 
 

http://djur.desperance.net/sadlyno/rss/feed?bad_users=|Disemv*|Truth*|CONTINUE*|The+Foo*|troll*|

How does this work, exactly?

 
 

The man (or woman) who can do this is rare. I really applaud your maturity.

Nah, it wasn’t maturity. I was 21 at the time and there’s no such thing as a mature 21-year-old male college student. As a young lad and something of a bookworm, one of my uncles told me, after I’d popped off about something when I really shouldn’t have, “Boy, I don’t care how many books you read, you ain’t never going to know everything and there’s always going to be someone who knows more than you about something. You need to learn when to shut up and listen.” That and I have exceptionally strong fee-fees.

 
 

“men aren’t suited to women’s studies/gender studies” shares a lot with “women aren’t suited to math”.

But people don’t say men aren’t suited to it, nor even just that they’ll have a hard time fully understanding some ideas, because of some innate mental inability, but rather because of the lifelong experience of being in a privileged class. That seems to me a pretty fundamental difference.

 
 

I wonder if they didn’t experience something similar to Matt T. and mistake “you’re wrong” for “you’re a piece of shit man”, because being wrong is unpleasant.

Quite possibly. But then again, I was wrong in physics class all the time – much more so, in fact, than in critical theory or women’s studies – and while I certainly didn’t enjoy being told I was wrong about physics, it didn’t carry the subtext of “…and you will always be wrong because Men are the Rapists of the World.” A chronically depressed 19-year-old can over-internalize that kind of shit.

But, as T&U accurately pointed out upthread, the 1980s were a different time. I’m not saying that gender studies or critical theory (do they even still teach that?) are still the same.

 
 

http://djur.desperance.net/sadlyno/rss/feed?bad_users=|Disemv*|Truth*|CONTINUE*|The+Foo*|troll*|

How does this work, exactly?

It’s just an RSS feed like anything else, but what’s between the pipes gets filtered. If you wanted to filter me and me only you’d try

http://djur.desperance.net/sadlyno/rss/feed?bad_users=|Substance+McGravitas|

If you feel good about getting rid of every user calling himself “Substance” something you’d use the asterisk as a wild-card like this:

http://djur.desperance.net/sadlyno/rss/feed?bad_users=|Substance*|

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Variants, please do us all a big favor and stop visiting here.

Whoa, I haven’t seen anything like this since Troofus was trolling on a regular basis. I’m with SMcG on this one.

 
 

“Boy, I don’t care how many books you read, you ain’t never going to know everything and there’s always going to be someone who knows more than you about something. You need to learn when to shut up and listen.”

OMG, your uncle is a wise man! This is a lesson everyone needs to internalize.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

If you wanted to filter me and me only you’d try

What would I do if I only wanted to see your comments?

 
 

WordPress doesn’t like the pipe – OR SO IT WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE – but if you’re using Firefox cut and paste that whole URL and see what happens.

 
 

okay…now that we’ve opened up this topic and i have admitted my ignorance, what’s with the dancing badger?

 
 

These are policies that DIRECTLY AFFECT WOMEN and we’re barely allowed in the fucking conversation.

But but but…women…oh fuck…there’s gotta be something commensurate I think of to say about men and their bodies…nope, nothing.

The FORESKIN APOCALYPSE. Therefore your argument is invalid.

 
 

OMG, your uncle is a wise man! This is a lesson everyone needs to internalize
i was thinking we could needlepoint this on a pillow…

 
 

What do you call a bass player that just broke up with his girlfriend?

Homeless.

I heard that joke, but it was about drummers.

I don’t know if this one would transplant to bass players:

“How do you know the bandstand is level? The drummer drools out of both corners of his mouth.”

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

okay…now that we’ve opened up this topic and i have admitted my ignorance, what’s with the dancing badger?

It’s a plot by a bunch of Wisconsin supremacists.

 
 

OMG, your uncle is a wise man! This is a lesson everyone needs to internalize
i was thinking we could needlepoint this on a pillow…

not that, obviously…the thing the uncle said…oh! for an edit button!

 
 

FINISH THE BLOG-POST.

FINE!

 
 

Ceci n’est pas une |.

 
 

What the fuck?

I also disendorse the “fuck off and die” spoutoff, and I don’t see what’s so unreasonable about requesting to be left out of the your-mom-joke cycle. He said “please don’t do it with me,” not “stop this immediately and never do it again to anyone.”

Thanks to Sub for the Djur explanation also too. Had no idea such a thing existed.

 
 

Either you’re innately mentally inferior because of your gender, or you’re innately mentally inferior because of your frame of reference, by which is meant your gender. How is one less fair than the other?

One’s frame of reference isn’t innate, it’s based on one’s experiences, and I don’t think “you probably won’t understand because it’s never happened to you” is a declaration of mental inferiority like “you probably won’t understand because your brain doesn’t and can’t work that way.”

Variants, please do us all a big favor and stop visiting here.

You don’t speak for me.

 
 

Thanks very much, Substance. I’m actually not accustomed to doing anything with RSS feeds, so I’m still kind of lost. Goddamn this lady brain!

 
 

What would I do if I only wanted to see your comments?

Take your meds?

 
smedley, Luddite, First Class
 

“i am hideously technophobic…and not because i’m a girl…”

“Technophobe” is gender-neutral. I don’t even have a cell-phone. Although I am aware of most internet traditions, I seldom follow them.

 
 

coming from the male-dominated field that is engineering, a lot of the women I had as classmates were pretty darned exceptional. The commitment level to the subject matter was generally higher, they just seemed to care more. My take on it was that since engineering was so unattractive for women to study, there was a self-selection pressure eliminating the “average at engineering” women from the classroom.

In the workplace, yes. There are very few women in the engineering profession to begin with, and almost all of those whom I’ve met have been exceptional examples. Almost.

In college, though, there were a lot more, and spanning the merit curve at almost the same distribution as men.

Where did the non-exceptional examples go? Well sure, some filtered out into other professions because engineering demanded more than they had to give. But I don’t think that this happened to women more than men to any significant degree.

In my first few years as an engineer, I met many women who worked for a few years, got married to another white collar worker, had a kid, and discovered they didn’t have to or want to work because their white collar husband earned enough to support them both. I can’t think of any males who elected this option.

And the other big factor sidetracking women engineers after college: Sales. Of the attractive female classmates that I had, and there were more than a few in CU EE Class of ’88, every last one of them was hired into sales positions. (I remember this well, because I kept track of where the hotties were going in case I wound up employed nearby…).

Now I recognize the sampling bias here — I wasn’t keeping track of the hawt males with the same devotion — but I didn’t know *any* male classmates who took sales jobs; they all chose design and integration jobs.

So, yes you’re right, there is self selection at work here. Multiple layers. The women who choose to remain in Engineering after all these other options are presented to them must be both skilled and devoted to it. I see the same thing. To wit: the president of my company is a female engineer and one of the most brilliant RF specialists I’ve met.

(Geez, you S,Naughts just *had* to broach a subject I couldn’t resist replying to… now look at the time.)

 
 

Quite possibly. But then again, I was wrong in physics class all the time – much more so, in fact, than in critical theory or women’s studies – and while I certainly didn’t enjoy being told I was wrong about physics, it didn’t carry the subtext of “…and you will always be wrong because Men are the Rapists of the World.” A chronically depressed 19-year-old can over-internalize that kind of shit.

See, I did occasionally hear stuff like that, but it always occurred to me that it wasn’t quite right and that it was mainly one person’s opinion. There’s that old saw about opinions and assholes that always seem to fit there. Plus, every time anyone in the academic world told me I was wrong about something, there was the subtext, if I was inclined to look for it, of “…and you’ll always be wrong because you’re a knuckle-dragging hillbilly and probably too distracted by lustful thoughts of your sister and/or old hound dog”, so I had an built-in subtext-ignoring mechanism. I never thought that way of any of my many old hound dogs and I don’t have a sister, so it struck me that once you danced away from hard facts and cha-chaed into the world of opinion, one should pick and choose. Some people, no matter how well-educated they may be, are nevertheless full of shit. Hard to grapple with when one is 19, true, but it’s still a mighty shield.

OMG, your uncle is a wise man! This is a lesson everyone needs to internalize.

He certainly knew more about driving a bulldozer than I ever will. Greek philosophy, not so much, but he could do wonders with a D-8.

 
 

OMG, your uncle is a wise man! This is a lesson everyone needs to internalize
i was thinking we could needlepoint this on a pillow…
not that, obviously…the thing the uncle said…oh! for an edit button!

LOL! I think “Your uncle is a wise man!” would look smashing crotcheted onto a pillow.

 
 

How many country bass players does it take to change a light bulb?

One, Five, One, Five…

 
 

Thanks very much, Substance. I’m actually not accustomed to doing anything with RSS feeds, so I’m still kind of lost. Goddamn this lady brain!

They’re why other people know that a new thread exists. A MAGICAL POWER.

 
 

Goddamn this lady brain!
prolly also doesn’t help that you are chock full of hormones right now which are further debilitating your thinking abilities…

 
 

One, Five, One, Five…

Awesome.

 
 

One’s frame of reference isn’t innate, it’s based on one’s experiences, and I don’t think “you probably won’t understand because it’s never happened to you” is a declaration of mental inferiority like “you probably won’t understand because your brain doesn’t and can’t work that way.”

Does this really still happen? Have any of the female posters here ever actually been told this? When? I mean, I went through undergrad and grad school in the hard sciences in the ’80s and ’90s, had many classmates (and instructors) who were women, and never heard anything remotely like this in the classroom.

 
 

prolly also doesn’t help that you are chock full of hormones right now which are further debilitating your thinking abilities…

I don’t think it has helped anything. More lady-cooties-suckiness.

 
 

Geez. I don’t endorse that. But I do endorse people using killfiles and Djur’s handy RSS filter if they’re that annoyed.

Seconded, or whatever-the-number-it-is-eded.

I do make the effort to only jump on the mothers of prolific posters here as I’ve assumed that they understand the context of my doing their moms.

A sweaty context full of toys and fresh produce. One filled with such shame that even the hour long shower doesn’t wash it away.

Also, I try and only pick on the mothers of posters who have opted in to the “your momma” game. I can’t help it if I’m particularly good at doing moms. Still, I will do my best to honour people’s wishes not to be told about all the times I’ve done their moms. Just let me know, and I’ll keep on ploughing her, but only in secrecy.

 
 

Also, it’s my firm belief that everyone should spend a summer driving a bulldozer, moving massive amounts of earth from one place to another. You cannot imagine the feeling of pure, unadulterated power that brings. It makes firing a gun look like nothing. And driving a log truck. You pull that foghorn and, buddy, the biggest, most penis compensating SUV will move out of your way.

 
 

and I’ll keep on ploughing her, but only in secrecy.
your wrongness makes me laff really hard…

 
 

See, I did occasionally hear stuff like that, but it always occurred to me that it wasn’t quite right and that it was mainly one person’s opinion.

Yeah, I know that now, but back then I was just a kid and hadn’t yet grasped that my professors, instead of always being right, might just be assholes.

 
 

bbfk…but, seriously, how do you implement that thing?

 
Marion in Savannah
 

Just let me know, and I’ll keep on ploughing her, but only in secrecy.

Well, if you’re doing mine you’re plowing not ploughing, if you get my drift and I know you do. I don’t think she’s a zombie because I haven’t seen her shambling around in 30 years…

 
 

Is it necessary to be a woman to understand gender issues? I don’t think so. No one’s experiences are the same as anyone else’s and I personally believe that variation within a gender is way higher than between genders.

I totally agree that gender is waaaaay overrated.

Okay. Let’s say you visit your friend in a city where that friend has lived for a very, very long time. Maybe you’ve been there briefly before, maybe you’ve driven through–maybe you’ve even read volumes of books about it.

Still, your understanding of the place from the outside is different from your friend’s. So when you say, “Hey, that restaurant looks great,” and your friend says, “Oh, no, don’t go there because of POOP” or whatever, you’re probably going to listen to that friend, right? Not because your friend is necessarily smarter than you. You may even know about the city’s history, politics, whatever better than your friend. But that friend has *lived there* and has had experiences that help him or her form an opinion about certain things that you may just not have enough evidence about or insight into.

So, men may have academic insight into women’s studies; they may have awesome, amazing understanding of the subject material; they may be more dedicated to feminism and the field of women’s studies than the average woman. That’s fucking awesome. It’s still not the equivalent of *living it.*

 
 

Also, it’s my firm belief that everyone should spend a summer driving a bulldozer, moving massive amounts of earth from one place to another. You cannot imagine the feeling of pure, unadulterated power that brings. It makes firing a gun look like nothing. And driving a log truck. You pull that foghorn and, buddy, the biggest, most penis compensating SUV will move out of your way.

I remember when my neighbor let me drive their Ford F-150 (?). It felt FUCKING HUGE to me. I cannot imagine how log truck would feel.

 
 

I have a few hundred feeds in an RSS reader like this one:

http://www.google.com/reader/

Or this one:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sage/

The idea is you skim items and only really navigate to them with your browser when you’re interested. Here at this site there’s a comment feed and a post feed, so if your RSS reader shows something you want to see you go to it.

It’s meaningless technology if you only look at a couple of websites and you’re okay with loading, say, a 1000-comment-page every time to do that, but if you pay attention to more stuff RSS is really handy.

 
 

Have any of the female posters here ever actually been told this? When?
teh hubby tells me this during any conversation that revolves around his work (engineer for pbs), which direction is which and why i can’t figure out the automatic headlines on irene…he knows me and my skill set…

 
 

They’re why other people know that a new thread exists.
YOU LIE.

 
 

it didn’t carry the subtext of “…and you will always be wrong because Men are the Rapists of the World.” A chronically depressed 19-year-old can over-internalize that kind of shit.

Ok, BUT, that subtext – not only are you wrong, but we expect you to be wrong and you will always be so – is something that women deal with a all the time. Understanding that is probably essential to doing well in Women’s Studies. So what you may have interpreted as an insurmountable barrier could have also been an educational opportunity, just as getting a math equation wrong and having a professor call you out on it would be. I can’t speak to the individual circumstances because I wasn’t there, but that is my take on it.

Many men do very well in Women’s Studies and have contributed in significant ways to the literature. I have had male authors assigned in these courses. Of course, to contribute meaningfully you have to acknowledge your perspective and not try to silence the experiences of other people by speaking for them. White women must also be careful when they speak about black women’s issues, heterosexual women when talking about sexuality, upper class women when talking about working class women. It isn’t just about numbers, it is a fundamentally different thing than when Larry Summers saying that women’s brains can’t handle science.

 
 

bbfk…but, seriously, how do you implement that thing?
beats me!

 
smedley, Luddite, First Class
 

“and I’ll keep on ploughing her, but only in secrecy”

Well, fine and dandy. But, how are you gonna keep mom’s mouth shut…………..DON’T ANSWER THAT!!!!!!

 
 

Looking at that Crooked Timber thread–I’m not surprised by any of the numbers except philosophy. Really? That’s fucking nuts!

 
 

Full disclosure, I’ve got a cock. It’s a family heirloom. So every single time I find myself engaging in women’s issues with women, there’s going to be a framework there: I am male, beneficiary of the male social system in which we exist; there is no way I can not be the beneficiary of that system, no matter how hard I try. Just like I’m white and straight, so I will always be the beneficiary of heteronormative etc. etc. and not being a negro.

And I’m not talking that ‘ventures into darkest Africa’ stuff like White Like Me, the bleeding heart’s race studies 101. What am I supposed to do, pretend I’m a woman, wear a wig and cross-dress and throw with my elbows out* and expect that somehow I’ll have insights into being a woman? I can suck thirty pairs of balls dry and it’s not going to help me understand the queer experience, either. No, the personal experience of being a woman involves being a young girl, then an adolescent, and finally an adult, all in the distaff, every day, all the time, until I’m dead.

So I can’t do that. But what I can do is listen carefully to what women are saying (now that they’re allowed to say it, which is 70% of what feminism has accomplished), then try to index what I understand them to be saying against my own experiences in life. The difference between what I go through and what they go through is one facet — one very narrow glimpse through a double prism — of the experience across the gender divide.

This makes it sound hopeless that I could ever understand the female experience, or fully engage with women. But of course this isn’t a mechanical process. There’s one further mechanism to be employed, which is simple empathy. It’s the same way we connect with new forms of music, like rap, or Bollywood movies, or whatever it is.

We say, “this person experiences this thing and has X reaction to it. Why do they react X when I do not? And rather than try to wrap it up with, “well, colored folks like discordant, violent, loud things,” or “Indian people like three-hour movies with songs in them because they’re emotional children, really,” we instead say, “I wonder how I can have the same response they have. That might be enriching and interesting and it could help me reach a greater understanding of this person and their experience of life.”

It’s the same between genders. Women are generally much like me in most ways: we walk and talk and think and like babies and are insecure about how we look and have political opinions and like art and architecture and don’t like being afraid all the time, etc. etc. So there’s far more common ground than not.

But I make no assumptions about that, because my experience of just walking down the fucking street as a 6’1″ guy with a scary white beard is going to be worlds different from T&U’s experience as an attractive, smaller woman walking down the same street. Even with the beard.

So:
1. I believe there should be no penalty for guys catching heat in a women’s studies course, or consistently losing arguments about gender issues, because guys are necessarily blind to certain aspects of their own privilege and experience. The irritation or criticism is not personal, not really.

2. The ‘shut up and take it if you want to be treated like equals’ argument is bullshit, because women are not in fact given equal status, and sexist or misogynistic treatment is in no way analogous to misandry because it is structural.

3. All my life I’ve written female protagonists in my stories, which is probably a way of processing my own impressions about women into a form I can really understand; my main interests in life being art and women, not in that order, it’s the application of one to celebrate the other, which is the sweet spot for me.

4. None of which is to say that I’m somehow especially enlightened or liberated or anything like that. I’m not. It’s just that I’m committed living as authentically as it is possible to do, and that means there’s a lot of work to do, and a lot of that work has to do with overcoming blindness to the human experience of others. The largest group of ‘others’ is women.

Plus, I’m crazy about ass.

*not even going to attempt the VR

 
 

Aight. Thanks again, Sub.

 
 

“I remember when my neighbor let me drive their Ford F-150 (?). It felt FUCKING HUGE to me”

True story: Fifteen years ago, I traded my Ford Ranger in for an F-150 and the very first week I sideswiped a parked car in a parking lot just making a right turn out of a parking space.

 
 

Look at that fucking post, will you. JUST LOOK AT IT!

 
 

True story: Fifteen years ago, I traded my Ford Ranger in for an F-150 and the very first week I sideswiped a parked car in a parking lot just making a right turn out of a parking space.

I mean, they’re FRICKIN’ HUGE.

 
 

Yeah, I know that now, but back then I was just a kid and hadn’t yet grasped that my professors, instead of always being right, might just be assholes.

That’s a good point. We’re raised to respect authority figures and to take what our parents/teachers/preachers/what have you say as gospel. I credit my own incredulity at the fallibility of authority figures due to finding out Santa Claus wasn’t real. I figured if that many grown-ups had that much invested in such a big load of bullshit, all to screw with little kids’ heads, they couldn’t always be right when they were being serious.

 
 

bbfk…but, seriously, how do you implement that thing?

also, i am afraid to do anything to my computer at work since i am plugged into a mammoth network. each time i post something here, i am expecting super dave in IT to pounce into my office yelling, “aha! you ARE NOT working! you’re posting to the world’s premiere comedy blog!” and then i’ll be fired…

 
 

i was thinking we could needlepoint this on a pillow…

Is that what the kids are calling it?

 
Marion in Savannah
 

Spengler Dampniche, Author of God said,

February 9, 2011 at 22:00

I love you. And your book too, by the way.

 
 

finding out Santa Claus wasn’t real
Seriously, why DO we do that? Is it just to keep kids on their toes? Feel superior? Drive home the uncertainty of existence?

It’s like, we may as well buy them a puppy and then kill it when they turn five to teach them about death. And since pets don’t live so long, I guess we do that too.

 
 

Look at that fucking post, will you. JUST LOOK AT IT!
yes…it’s huge! it’s the biggest i have ever seen…

 
 

And your book too, by the way.
dang…i gotta get me this book!

 
 

Seriously, why DO we do that? Is it just to keep kids on their toes? Feel superior? Drive home the uncertainty of existence?

I know!

I can remember when my mom told me Santa Claus and the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny aren’t real. My next thought was, “I’ll bet they’re lying about Jesus, too.”

 
 

FUCKING WORDPRESS, HOW DOES IT WORK???

 
Marion in Savannah
 

dang…i gotta get me this book!

Yes, you do. Run, don’t walk. (Well, also that way it’s harder for the zombies to catch you…)

 
 

Oh, now publish my comments.

I forgot what I was going to say to Marion, but it was uproariously funny. BBKF, it weighs nearly four pounds.

 
 

I remember when I was around 8 I mentioned something about Santa not being real in a car with 2 young friends and their mother. I got the death stare for that. Sheesh.

 
 

What can I say? The skepticism’s always been strong in me.

 
 

BBKF, it weighs nearly four pounds
what does? the post, the book or your ‘family heirloom?’

 
 

I remember when I was around 8 I mentioned something about Santa not being real in a car with 2 young friends and their mother. I got the death stare for that. Sheesh.

this past christmas, one of my daughter’s friends told me she grew up believing that there was a special elf who watched her all year long to make sure she was good…can you imagine?!

 
 

Proof of something Chris wrote a long time ago (upthread): According to Wonkette, and really, what better source is there than Wonkette?, the longest serving mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana was named Harry Baals.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Also, it’s my firm belief that everyone should spend a summer driving a bulldozer, moving massive amounts of earth from one place to another. You cannot imagine the feeling of pure, unadulterated power that brings

I spent a couple of months driving a forklift in Central Park in January- the shift started a 6PM and went to 2AM (I had a lot of flexibility in my dayjob). Forklifts can turn on a dime- I’d take the subway back to where I parked in the Bronx, and couldn’t figure out why the damn car wouldn’t respond to my steering efforts.

 
 

Does this really still happen?

The Larry Summers speech in which he in part blamed innate differences for gender-based employment spreads was just a few years ago. It’s still fairly widespread, though people are usually more subtle.

 
 

a special elf who watched her all year long to make sure she was good…can you imagine?!

WTF?

I think people should start telling their kids that their garden gnomes are “guardian gnomes.” Madness.

 
 

Look at that fucking post, will you. JUST LOOK AT IT!

Awesome, except T&U’s almost as tall as you are. On the topic of long-windedness:

Regarding *living it* – this is the thing I’m disputing. Everyone *lives* it differently. Your experiences as a woman may very well be closer to some other woman’s experiences than mine are, but it is not necessarily inevitably true. There are plenty of women who grasp that whole *it* you’ve lived very very poorly. And there are plenty of guys who can empathize and relate to being on the receiving end of discrimination for a host of reasons. And yes, there are necessarily differences in being discriminated because your gay or black or have stunning breasts or have distinctly non-normative appearance or whatever – but I contend that there are also differences to being discriminated against because you are this woman as opposed to that woman. And then pretend I said everything Spengler did about empathy, because it is a damn good comment.

 
 

BBKF, it weighs nearly four pounds
what does? the post, the book or your ‘family heirloom?’

You see what I do there.

Speaking of Sandy Claws, I was driving my small son to school and he was very grave. He said to me, “Dad, I don’t want to upset you, but I don’t think Santa is real.”
He was breaking the news to me.

 
 

Bulldozers are incredibly fun.

My enthusiasm for log trucks was dimmed by being in the cab of one when I was seventeen. The engine mounts let go and the engine made three full revolutions under the hood making spooky dents everywhere and the damndest noises ever. Me: white with terror.

What effect on my gender sensitivity this had I don’t know. I’ve driven big trucks and they’re not known for making one more sensitive. Bulldozers either.

 
 

Messing with kids’ heads is funny.

I linked to that yesterday. And NOBODY CARED!!!! And I cried bitter tears.

 
 

Spengler Dampniche, Author of God said,
February 9, 2011 at 22:00 (kill)

Yup. That’s it. That’s all we want. You can even keep your testicles.

I do wonder if I experience less harassment/intimidation than other women, although there’s really nothing about me that’s intimidating other than my height. I do not know.

 
 

I can remember when my mom told me Santa Claus and the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny aren’t real. My next thought was, “I’ll bet they’re lying about Jesus, too.”

My parents told me from day one that there was no Santa, et al. Something about it making Jesus jealous and thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Messing with kids’ heads is funny.

Once I convinced four of my siblings to treat our youngest sister like royalty for a week to make her believe that she was special, then go back to treating her like shit. Boy was she crushed!

 
 

we may as well buy them a puppy and then kill it when they turn five to teach them about death.

Also to teach about vertebrate anatomy and the physiology of organ systems.
And taxidermy.
It’s a real three-for-one.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

I remember when I was around 8 I mentioned something about Santa not being real in a car with 2 young friends and their mother. I got the death stare for that. Sheesh.

My sister told her entire kindergarten class that there was no Santa Claus, and added, “You’re all a bunch of babies, and your parents are lying to you.”

She had to be whisked off to the principal’s office so the rest of the class could be pacified, and certain of her classmates’ parents wouldn’t speak to my mother for years.

 
 

Once I convinced four of my siblings to treat our youngest sister like royalty for a week to make her believe that she was special, then go back to treating her like shit. Boy was she crushed!

I don’t whether to be appalled or laugh my ass off.

 
 

“You’re all a bunch of babies, and your parents are lying to you.”

ROFLMAO! Oh man. You’ve got a spunky one on your hands, mom.

 
 

The Larry Summers speech in which he in part blamed innate differences for gender-based employment spreads was just a few years ago.

Those Crooked Timber threads are going on now and they’re full of crap about IQ and hormones.

 
Marion in Savannah
 

VS, I’m laughing while appalled. It’s not an either/or… kinda like wingnuts, stupid or evil?

 
 

Dragon-King Wangchuck said,

February 9, 2011 at 22:18

Yes, yes. [chews pipe thoughtfully]
This is what I love most about writing fiction — I wish they tried harder to teach it in school — the invention of people who become real, insofar as you can allow them to do so. This leads to all kinds of revelations.

When I write women that I completely fucking made up in my head, they do not behave the way I think women behave. They behave like actual women, and if I try to bend their behavior to suit my preconceptions, it rings false.

This is a pain in the ass sometimes. But it is rewarding. And weird. I think we start out capable of tremendous empathy and insight and gradually lose it because it’s not as tactically useful as learning how to lie or mindfuck people or whatnot.

 
 

hadn’t yet grasped that my professors, instead of always being right, might just be assholes.

Oh now that’s completely different, I thought your issue was with other students. A professor should be judgment-free and never make a student feel inadequate.

 
 

I checked out the “the beats are too simple” argument. Nice but anti-rap commenter punking out was too bad.

As for the other stuff, if the ladies want their women’s lib and ERA, ok, fine, I’m not arguing against any of their goals. But if women want to be equal to men then there’s going to be some other changes like I’m not always paying for everyting from now on or telling you when there’s a new thread. You can’t say I’m being unfair.

 
 

there are necessarily differences in being discriminated because you…have stunning breasts

I fucking *hate* it when that happens!

but I contend that there are also differences to being discriminated against because you are this woman as opposed to that woman.

Oh, totally. It depends on a whole host of things. And feminists try and look at it. I probably have more in common with a guy from a similar economic background and education as I do with a woman who doesn’t, but she and I are going to have the same basic experiences as living as women and in women’s bodies.

 
 

I don’t whether to be appalled or laugh my ass off.

Appalled. Really, it was awful. I will never forgive myself for being so cruel. I blame the lack of television in my formative years.

 
 

hadn’t yet grasped that my professors, instead of always being right, might just be assholes
as a non-trad, i had the advantage of being the same age, if not older than my profs…it cut down a lot on the bullshit factor…

 
 

“You’re all a bunch of babies, and your parents are lying to you.”

If that were my kid, I’d give her a cupcake.

 
 

Big Bald Bastard, completely off-topic, yes: prawns are absolutely goddamn hideous. I wouldn’t eat shrimp if each one had a six-minute orgasm inside.

Sorry, I can’t comment on MY OWN GODDAMN BLOG for some reason.

 
 

Oh now that’s completely different, I thought your issue was with other students.

No, it was the profs. The other students were as clueless as I was. (Except for the women, who didn’t have to study as hard.)

 
 

If that were my kid, I’d give her a cupcake.
ikr! can’t you just picture it?

 
 

Yes, yes. [chews pipe thoughtfully]

Wait. I thought the right way to do it was to first think of a man, and then take away reason and accountability.

 
 

I wouldn’t eat shrimp if each one had a six-minute orgasm inside
prawn pr0n?

also, the red eyeball on your blog really creeps me out…

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

When I write women that I completely fucking made up in my head, they do not behave the way I think women behave. They behave like actual women, and if I try to bend their behavior to suit my preconceptions, it rings false.

Dear Penthouse

If that were my kid, I’d give her a cupcake.

My mom was pretty amused, she’d field the calls from irate parents by saying, “You would have had to come clean eventually.” There were some people who didn’t talk to her for damn near twenty years because of the incident.

 
 

or telling you when there’s a new thread

This made me giggle for some reason.

Next you’ll be telling us you won’t open our pickle jars!

 
 

Shrimp are horrifying.

Lobsters are pretty damn creepy, too. And they’re so much work! I don’t get it.

 
 

So, T&U… you’re a tall, athletic woman with stunning breasts and one shapely ankle. So am I. That’s something we have in common.

 
 

1. I believe there should be no penalty for guys catching heat in a women’s studies course

Me neither. And they do. WHICH WAS MY ORIGINAL FUCKING POINT GRRRRRR RAWRRRRRRR

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Submitted without comment, from the not-so-good old days.

 
 

I think I’ve told this story here before, but WTH, it’s appropriate…when I was around 15 my dad read me this Dave Barry column where he said lobsters were basically big sea bugs. And I have not eaten one since.

 
 

“You would have had to come clean eventually.”

Awesome.

you’re a tall, athletic woman with stunning breasts and one shapely ankle

I’m actually not athletic at ALL. Hence the whole falling off the bike thing. The rest is true, though.

 
 

Shrimp are horrifying.

Lobsters are pretty damn creepy, too. And they’re so much work! I don’t get it.

and they are all stinky and taste like shit…

 
 

Ladies, I’ll open your pickle jars. If you know what I mean.

And I think that you do.

 
 

Next you’ll be telling us you won’t open our pickle jars!

Of course not. Women are perfectly capable.

 
 

Submitted without comment, from the not-so-good old days
women get their periods and are pissed off at everyone for it, so watch the fuck out!

 
 

“Moon-pulls” That is all.

 
 

Having a period makes me mystical!!!!

Wait…

 
 

Dear Editors of The Pearl,

“While the phrenzy for women astride bicycles shows no signs of abating, and my own opinion of the craze was no more favorable than that of the general masculine population, I recently enjoyed an awakening, if you will, to the joys attendant upon mounting the narrow leather seat.

It was only days ago that I was strolling down a verdant lane, when –“

 
 

women get their periods and are pissed off at everyone for it, so watch the fuck out!

I remember still hearing/seeing jokes about Hillary Clinton being on her period and nuking the planet. In 2008. So dumb. You know, all I’ve ever wanted to do was put on stretchy pants, smoke a joint and/or drink a glass of wine, and watch a movie.

 
 

Dave Barry column where he said lobsters were basically big sea bugs.

When that was pointed out to me, it suddenly dawned on me that bugs must be delicious, especially in butter. National Geographic, with all of its “what weirdo cultures eat” shit makes so much more sense now. I still haven’t worked up the courage to fry up a cockroach, but I’m convinced that I’m missing out big time.

 
 

You know, all I’ve ever wanted to do was put on stretchy pants, smoke a joint and/or drink a glass of wine, and watch a movie.
and chocolate…

 
 

VS, think of it this way — you’re about to have a period with an eight-pound lump in it.

I hope that helps.

 
 

and chocolate…

Or whatever. Eating Machine takes over.

 
 

God Hates Shrimp

Lobsters not so much, the lobsters being thousands of miles from the “Holy Land” and therefor not on old Jahweh’s omniscient radar. Me, I enjoy shrimps any number of ways and lobsters likewise. I’m glad the FSM doesn’t have complicated food taboos.

Provisional FYWP.

 
 

When that was pointed out to me, it suddenly dawned on me that bugs must be delicious, especially in butter. National Geographic, with all of its “what weirdo cultures eat” shit makes so much more sense now. I still haven’t worked up the courage to fry up a cockroach, but I’m convinced that I’m missing out big time.

I am actually no kidding terrified of cockroaches. They disgust me in ways I can’t begin to describe. When I lived in Florida and I’d see one I’d scream in a way I imagine a person might scream at an ax-wielding murderer. I cannot IMAGINE eating one.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

I think I’ve told this story here before, but WTH, it’s appropriate…when I was around 15 my dad read me this Dave Barry column where he said lobsters were basically big sea bugs. And I have not eaten one since.

My response was a complete 180- I ate a cicada.

 
 

spengler, that is the single most disgusting thing i have ever heard…true, but disgusting nonetheless…

 
 

I do find it amusing that Americans get so bent out of shape about “CRAZY FOODS!!!” Y’all don’t even KNOW what you’re putting in your mouths* most of the time.

*Yep.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

When I lived in Florida and I’d see one I’d scream in a way I imagine a person might scream at an ax-wielding murderer.

One of the girls in my dorm in college would smash waterbugs with a cinderblock, then tell me (I was taking the “Biology of Terrestrial Arthropods” seminar at the time), “You’re the bug guy, you dispose of the corpse.”

Every time she killed on, I’d draw a cockroach silhouette on the top of the cinderblock with a marker, much like a fighter pilot would paint “kills” on the nose of the plane.

 
 

My response was a complete 180- I ate a cicada.

I hear those are great, but they are never in season!

 
 

These — THESE — are the size of your thumb. I had to get one out of my dog’s mouth some years back. He’d attempted to eat it, and it clamped its mandibles on his tongue. I had to cut its jaws off.

That’s really just a dirt lobster.

 
 

My response was a complete 180- I ate a cicada.

Well, this seems somehow appropriate. I mean I know you’re a pretty dedicated gourmand..and I think it was Anthony Bourdain who said you can’t be a true foodie unless you really take risks with what you try. Me, I’m content to eschew the label of “gourmand” if it keeps bugs out of my mouth.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

I hear those are great, but they are never in season!

Now, now, they advertise their presence, just like the Mister Softee* truck does.

*VEDR

 
 

My insect eating experience is limited to meal worms. I still eat lobster at Chinese restaurants even after finding out how they are prepared*.

*Stop reading now if you’re squeamish. Really. I’ll try and be at least slightly cryptic. Let’s just say that order of killing them and chopping them into pieces is not what one would assume to be the case.

 
 

I checked out the “the beats are too simple” argument. Nice but anti-rap commenter punking out was too bad.

You can call it punking out or you can call it being open-minded.

And now that you mention it, I felt the same way about punk that I did about hip-hop. Thrashing discordantly on stage with an instrument and emoting unintelligibly into a microphone isn’t as much about music as it is about posing… or maybe therapy.

Or, conceivably, both.

But I’m reminded that even bad art is still art. Thus my use of past tense, above.

 
 

Let’s just say that order of killing them and chopping them into pieces is not what one would assume to be the case.

Yep. Crabs done the Chinese way are the same.

 
 

I still eat lobster at Chinese restaurants even after finding out how they are prepared*.

I used to be repulsed by shrimp with the heads intact. Then I got used to decapitating them myself. Now I just eat the whole thing and prefer it that way. I guess you become desensitized.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

It’s a pity that these puppies don’t live in the Northeastern U.S. I heard they’re good. I’ve tried carpenter ants (this was after that pilot was downed in Yugoslavia, and subsisted on rainwater and insects for a few days)- they have a tart flavor. Crickets have a nutty taste, really not bad at all.

My first flirtation with entomophagy was in the context of a drinking binge, when I happened upon a cicada on my friend’s screen door. I continued my experimentation out of a desire to see how I might fare should I be stranded in the jungle with nothing but a loincloth and a dagger. Still haven’t had a chance to try grilled ocelot, though.

 
 

My first flirtation with entomophagy was in the context of a drinking binge

I’m sure you’re not the only one.

 
 

Let’s just say that order of killing them and chopping them into pieces is not what one would assume to be the case.

How uncouth! I only eat lobster that was humanely boiled to death!

 
 

Also, I read that as you saying that you survived on rainwater and insects in Yugoslavia, and I was like, “Holy shit!”

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

I still eat lobster at Chinese restaurants even after finding out how they are prepared*.

I don’t order lobster in restaurants, because it’s so spectacularly messy- I tend to completely disarticulate the beast with my hands. Hell, I don’t even eat lobster indoors. I put on a ratty T-shirt and shorts, head out to the backyard, and keep a bucket of soapy water close by, all the while hoping that the neighbors don’t witness the awful spectacle.

 
 

I am not mature enough. Because I want to write funny captions for all the pictures. I am a dick.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Oh, and the little green globule behind the lobster’s head is delicious.

Yeah, I know it’s an excretory organ.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

I am not mature enough. Because I want to write funny captions for all the pictures. I am a dick.

Reminds me of a Kliban cartoon… I remember such poses as “The Loutish Position” and “Float Like Scum”.

 
 

I don’t order lobster in restaurants, because it’s so spectacularly messy

Someone who wasn’t me once pointed out that lobsters are the least rational food to eat in restaurants. They are overpriced, messy, and easy to prepare at home.

 
 

I don’t order lobster in restaurants, because it’s so spectacularly messy

Yeah, that’s why I don’t eat hot wings or ribs in public. I don’t know why, but I usually need to be hosed down afterward.

I am a dick.

Dude, the wind removing pose *is* pretty fucking funny.

She’s totally going to trace that incoming link back here, by the way. Dick.

 
 

Because I want to write funny captions for all the pictures. I am a dick.

Still classy.

 
 

But I’m reminded that even bad art is still art. Thus my use of past tense, above

This I half agree with. “Imagine” for instance is bad art but still art. But just because John Lennon died doesn’t mean it doesn’t suck in the present tense as well as the past.

 
 

Because I want to write funny captions for all the pictures. I am a dick.

I know, hr locust pose is pretty weak.

 
 

Me, I’m content to eschew the label of “gourmand” if it keeps bugs out of my mouth.

I think I’ll just see if I can make a Breatharian out of you.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

I know, hr locust pose is pretty weak.

Maybe so, but her “phoenix with dragon eyes” is bone crushing.

 
 

Klassic Komments:

The Fool said,
June 12, 2008 at 1:32 (kill)

Fuck all of you Imagine haters. You fundamentally don’t get it.

Imagine is a great and beautiful song. But it requires an innocence of spirit to appreciate that all too many arty poseurs either never had or lost a long time ago. It introduced ideas into mainstream American culture that rarely get any attention at all and certainly not in the numbers that Lennon’s song got. Growing up in a strict religious household it meant a helluva lot to me as a teenager to hear that someone who I liked a lot thought there might not be a heaven.

FYI: its not a treatise in political theory or theology, you stupid fucks.

 
 

I think I’ll just see if I can make a Breatharian out of you.

Aw, don’t do that to her! The lady’s pregnant! She has to eat.

 
 

Because I want to write funny captions for all the pictures. I am a dick.

i have a feeling she is really, really annoying…

Still classy.

this made me laff so hard…i sent it to my son who just finished a semester of ALS…now have run gamut of emotions…before we got off the phone, he told me he loved me…without me saying it first…*happymomsobsigh*

 
 

Damn it’s too hard to keep up with you people and simultaneously remain employed.

I know. Write shorter posts.

Let’s just say that order of killing them and chopping them into pieces is not what one would assume to be the case

It was twenty-six years ago when I walked into a SF Japanese restaurant with my friend Jenn, a friend from college whom I was visiting. It was her choice of restaurant, and she had warned me that Japanese cuisine can be very alien to Americans, and that I should experiment. I was proud of myself for expanding my food horizons that weekend, and this was only the third Japanese place I’d been in, ever, so I was mentally prepared. Eager, in fact.

In a large wooden bowl on the table in front of us were baby octopi in an ice-water bath. Being one to observe before acting, I watched the Japanese-speaking people at the next table. They were taking a baby octopus out of the bowl, dunking it in soy sauce, and popping them into their mouths and making “Mmm. Good” sounds.

So, I poured myself a little bowl of soy and grabbed an octopus. I quickly dunked it in the soy and, grinning at Jenn, popped it into my mouth. Or tried to. It stuck to my lip.

It was still alive.

This little octotot was holding on for dear life with two of its tentacles. So I pulled. And pulled. And pulled. Each time with incrementing alarm. The little fucker wouldn’t let go. In fact, four tentacles had become attached to my face.

It was still alive. And struggling to avoid being eaten alive.

Trying to be nonchalant, I glanced at Jenn hoping the horror wasn’t showing on my face. Jenn, who was only halfheartedly trying to stifle her laughter. Not so the man at the table next to us, who was guffawing and pointing and making exclamations in his fucking nip tongue. Bastard.

That’s when he reached into his bowl, and grabbed another octopus. Holding it up, he popped it with his thumb using a motion very like flipping a coin. The woman next to him did the same thing before eating hers. It wasn’t until that moment that I noticed how they popped the little baby brains open with their thumbs before feeding the baby corpses into their mouths, all in one smooth baby-killing-and-baby-eating motion.

The octopus let go and fell to the table.

I put it back in the bowl and ordered the chicken. It was 24 years before I ate octopus again. In ceviche, on the beach in Cabo. Cut into tiny pieces and drowned in lemon juice and cilantro.

 
 

FYWP, I was trying to get to the classic comment on John Lennon:

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9670.html#comment-619204

 
 

Write shorter posts.

Crap.

 
 

FYWP, I was trying to get to the classic comment on John Lennon:

That’s pretty fucking amazing. I can see why it’s a classic.

I did not do any work today.

 
 

“How do you know the bandstand is level? The drummer drools out of both corners of his mouth.”

Best drummer joke of all time.

 
 

FYWP, I was trying to get to the classic comment on John Lennon:

Wow, going back and reading old comments is like watching embarrassing home videos. What ever happened to all the old regulars?

 
 

I did not do any work today.
me either…now i will have to bring it home with me to alleviate the guilt…

 
 

Because I want to write funny captions for all the pictures. I am a dick.

I gotta say as someone who has tried to learn new poses on my own, I think it’s awesome that she would do that for folks, and the photos look pretty helpful. I like how she included two angles for some so you can really tell wtf is going on.

But I would like to read more about dicks. Preferably with humorously captioned pictures.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

FYWP, I was trying to get to the classic comment on John Lennon:

I heard that the Fool’s hot ex-stripper CIA agent wife gunned him down with an anvil-shooting railgun.

“Up on the Backstroke” is carved on his tombstone.

I did not do any work today.

Livin’ the dream!

 
 

The Fool said, June 12, 2008 at 1:32 :

It introduced ideas into mainstream American culture that rarely get any attention at all

And haven’t been repeated in mainstream American culture since. In fact, it’s pretty obvious that mainstream American culture has abandoned any pretense of ever Imagine-ing anything mentioned in the song.

:’/

 
 

me either…now i will have to bring it home with me to alleviate the guilt…

I just procrastinate until the anxiety is so painful that I have to do it.

 
 

What ever happened to all the old regulars?

SamFromUtah married one too many wives.

 
 

I just procrastinate until the anxiety is so painful that I have to do it.
You too?

We should start a club.

 
 

I just procrastinate until the anxiety is so painful that I have to do it.
that too…

 
 

“Wow, going back and reading old comments is like watching embarrassing home videos.”

It reminds me of when I first got here. My comments were…probably not very impressive.

 
 

We should start a club.
glad to know i am not alone…

 
 

We should start a club.

It’s pretty bad. To the point that I’m pretty sure it’s pathological. The fact that the internet is available and I loathe my job doesn’t help.

 
 

It reminds me of when I first got here. My comments were…probably not very impressive.

i was terrified to make my first post…then i checked obsessively to see if there were any comments…

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

But I would like to read more about dicks. Preferably with humorously captioned pictures.

Yeah, NEW THREAD PLEASE!!!!

In the meantime, Accidental Dong brings teh funneh.

 
 

then i checked obsessively to see if there were any comments…

Yeah, I… used… to do that too.

*Submit*
*Refresh*
*Refresh*
*Refresh*

 
 

“i was terrified to make my first post…then i checked obsessively to see if there were any comments…”

I wasn’t terrified, but it took me some weeks before I dipped my toe in the water. I STILL check obsessively to see if people talk back to me. What can I say? This place is addicting.

 
 

The real threat of Glenn Beck’s fantasies
It’s harm not to myself, but to American democracy that I fear from the Fox News host’s paranoid theories of social collapse
by
Frances Fox Piven

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/feb/08/glenn-beck-fox-news

[Funny, she doesn’t strike me as the monster type]

 
 

In the meantime, Accidental Dong brings teh funneh.

thank you! i have been trying to remember the name of that site for like a week now!

 
 

i was terrified to make my first post…then i checked obsessively to see if there were any comments…

I learned a lot reading. I paid attention to the funny people and learned to put my sentences in good joke-making order. For instance, when you have a good line, you try to write the sentence so that all the unfunny stuff goes into the first part and then YOUR MOTHER’S A WHORE.

 
 

Great story Mr Bughunter.

 
 

How does everyone know about about these awesome sites/blogs? It makes me feel ridiculously uncool.

I know part of it is because my online life tends to be extraordinarily myopic. I just can’t tear myself away from the DP porn. No, just kidding. But for awhile I pretty much literally only visited my (big, better-known) online gallery and Daily Kos. Oh, and Amazon.

 
 

I learned a lot reading.

Yeah, I lurked on and off for years before I was brave enough to post. I still feel insufficiently trenchant at times.

 
 

During the operation, Anonymous double-penetrated HBGary’s corporate network

Ohhhhh…. mmm… tell me MOAR.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

[Funny, she doesn’t strike me as the monster type]

Of course not, she was lurking in the background, pulling the strings in the shadows, while maintaining a harmless-seeming facade for decades.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition Coming Insurrection!!!

 
 

Thrashing discordantly on stage with an instrument

Thrashing cordantly is boring, dull & fascist.

 
 

How does everyone know about about these awesome sites/blogs?

I just follow links on people’s blogrolls and in posts that they reference.

 
 

I just can’t tear myself away from the DP porn

Well, write what you know.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

i was terrified to make my first post…then i checked obsessively to see if there were any comments…

I just made a joke about beer, and it was all good. I still consider myself one of the n00bs, though.

 
 

How does everyone know about about these awesome sites/blogs?

RSS feeds are really helpful for letting you skim like a motherfucker at high speeds.

 
 

RSS feeds are really helpful for letting you skim like a motherfucker at high speeds.

you are just all about the RSS feeds, aren’t yoU? is this what you were trying to explain to vs and me earlier?

 
 

RSS feeds are really helpful for letting you skim like a motherfucker at high speeds.

Also at making you feel guilty for having more than one thousand unread posts. Not that I would know anything about that…

 
 

“RSS feeds are really helpful for letting you skim like a motherfucker at high speeds.”

Well, I so aspire to be as much like DK-W as possible.

Oh, btw, I found this place thru BJ. And there i was like “Wow, these people are terrifically witty.” then I came here and i was like “Holy shit, these are some funny motherfuckers.” little did I know…

 
 

“Holy shit, these are some funny motherfuckers.” little did I know…
little did you know they were high speed skimming motherfuckers?

 
 

is this what you were trying to explain to vs and me earlier?

Yes. Get yourself an RSS reader of some kind, there are a bunch of freebies. Put RSS feeds into them. There are two on this page in the “Meta” section. Or find someone else’s OPML file to stick into it and you’ll start with a bazillion news sources.

This guy’s will be tech-heavy but you’ll get the point.

http://scobleizer.com/2005/11/27/my-opml-file-uploaded/

 
 

Yes.
can i do this on my work computer?

 
 

Sub, do you read this site “through” an RSS feed?

 
 

Do y’all have Gmail accounts? You can just use Google Reader.

 
 

I paid attention to the funny people

Did you ever read Righteous Bubba’s blog?

 
 

Did you ever read Righteous Bubba’s blog?

Whatever happened to that guy, by the way?

 
 

I do, T&U. Is that what you use?

 
 

I have an undiagnosed combination of Aspergers and Tourette’s syndromes, so I didn’t give a shit. I just started posting. As ‘A Second Non-Lester The Giant Ape’ for some reason. Still a nahoobeh, howevs. Even now.

My main concern is that I’m concocting some obscenely long pontificius about something well upthread and when I post it, the topic will have moved on, three times removed.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Did you ever read Righteous Bubba’s blog?

Whatever happened to that guy?

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

GRRR… thwarted!

 
 

I do, T&U. Is that what you use?

Yeah. It’s not AWESOME or anything, but it’s easy to use and it does the trick. I’m Google’s bitch, though.

 
 

Sub, do you read this site “through” an RSS feed?

Comments yes, posts no.

This is the comment feed: http://www.sadlyno.com/comments/feed

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Heh, heh, two posts with the same time signature… take THAT wordpress, for all those “you’re posting too quickly” messages at the start of the day.

 
 

Whatever happened to that guy, by the way?

He became respectable, that’s what. *spits*

 
 

Whatever happened to that guy, by the way?
He remembered to vote.

 
 

You can just use Google Reader.

I find Google Reader a little laggy. I just use the comment feed as a URL in Firefox, which displays simply and cleanly.

 
 

This is the comment feed:
that would be awesome…

 
 

A kind-to-our-hosts aspect of RSS is that RSS is designed to be really low bandwidth: rather than refresh a big page I refresh 30 comments and the hamsters get a break.

 
 

I find Google Reader a little laggy.

I actually agree with that. But I have some many fucking feed subscriptions (like, 200?) that it’s usually not an issue for me. I probably need to edit.

 
 

Did PeeJ become someone? Pupenius maybe? And DKW, I know you were something else before. I can’t keep it all straight. Especially with smut clyde playing it both ways by being Herr Doktor once here and elsewhere still.

 
 

I can recommend Google Reader, ‘though a comment feed seems a little obsessive (for me, yada). It’s made me smarter & much more popular.

Whatever did happen to MzNicky?

And tigrismus?

 
 

PeeJ
this was always one of my favorite nyms…

 
 

PeeJ is Pupenius. And I had no idea smut was Herr doktor

 
 

omg…the local radio station is taking a trip to the chanhassen dinner theatre to see Jesus Christ Superstar…why they chose this one is beyond me, except that both the sales manager and gm are aging hippies. anyhoo, they play the promo for it constantly and each time they do, all i can think of is this

 
 

I went straight to this.

New thread

 
 

Thrashing cordantly is boring, dull & fascist.
Tell that to Floyd, man.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

New thread, promises to be hilarious!

 
 

New thread, promises to be hilarious!

I can’t believe it would be funnier than this one.

 
 

OMG…Zap…I am a big fan of your work.

 
 

And DKW, I know you were something else before

That The Fool thread was one of my last under the old nym. Reading through it, I think it’s actually pretty obvious which one was me.

COCKBURN! COCKBURN! COCKBURN! COCKBURN! COCKBURN! COCKBURN! COCKBURN! COCKBURN! PENIS COCKBURN! COCKBURN! COCKBURN!

 
 

It reminds me of when I first got here. My comments were…probably not very impressive.

i was terrified to make my first post…then i checked obsessively to see if there were any comments…

I wasn’t terrified, but it took me some weeks before I dipped my toe in the water. I STILL check obsessively to see if people talk back to me. What can I say? This place is addicting.

Yeah, I lurked on and off for years before I was brave enough to post. I still feel insufficiently trenchant at times.

I was pretty stunned by the comment, y’all.

Gee, I had even offered up my two hawt nieces for tag-teaming. (D-KW: Both are recent mothers with infants … and those engorged chest thingies.) I seemed to discern a S,N convention: If you make a Fuck-your-father / Fuck-your-mother joke, then you are fair game for it too. I’ve read those strands–and laughed aplenty–but never entered them because I needed protect myself on this. It’s hard to explain. I’m not even going to try.

“Grief. I knows it.”

Lord knows, l did not mean this in a self-pitying or Oh-yass-I-noze All-About-It way. Nor do I wallow in it. I generally try to keep it concealed from the world; this thread was the first I’ve ever mentioned the deaths on the internets.

If anything, I have learned to be more loving, and sensitive and compassionate to grief in others, in whatever form it takes–and physical death is not the only cause of grief in people’s lives. I believe grief helped deepen my life and has made me a better person.

I know I made a lot of clumsy mistakes in my comments here both in tone and execution, especially early after cautiously emerging from lurkerhood. I always tried to express my appreciation for the many people who helped explain how tags work–Substance notably among them–and for the patience that everyone showed. I shifted to a more unassuming, less intrusive nym. Bland and beige, as it were.

I suppose I tried to be a cheerleader of sorts, to let other commenters know that what they said in seriousness was appreciated and valued…or to let them know their jokes and clever word-wit made me chuckle or laugh my fool head off. (Or to extract one funny strand of the thread…isolated from the other simulatanous conversations ….like the ‘The Greatest Danzig Hits’ thing in this thread.) The Quel Frommage was way too over-the-top and intrusive, so I soon abandoned it. But my intentions with the QF were good.

I tried to encourage people in their lives and ambitions and dreams.

I was overly autobiographical at times. Most of the time, all we have to go on or to guide us is personal experiences in the world. I genuinely love reading stories or vignettes about other people’s lives. (Like dining on baby octopii just above … or what it’s like to drive a mo-fo bulldozer or logging truck.)

I learned stuff from other people talking about their interests and professions and following their links. (For example, Bx4’s ‘atemi’ link.)

==============

I began writing this in past tense. I was so stunned. But, by-golly-gee-gosh, I’m a-gonna stay. I may be in lurker mode for a few days, keeping low to the ground, but I so enjoy S,N. It is a delight to read. And, really, what else can I do? I’m addicted.

Also FYWP.

 
 

I greatly enjoyed reading this thread.

As usual, there was plenty of Teh Funny as spice and sauce, but the meat-and-potatoes conversation about men and women and perceptions was one of the best I’ve read here. It was challenging (in the best possible way.) I particularly resonated to T&U’s ‘visiting a friend in another city’ analogy (21:52) … and Spengler’s long comment (22:00).

 
 

Apology to Substance

Ever type something then instantly regret it?

I console myself with the fact that most everyone forgets it quickly.

I erred in the hyperbole of my attack on rap. I am sorry for whatever role I played in the conversation going so catastrophically off the rails.

Moreover, I’ve re-evaluated my thinking: I think bughunter’s adjustment and willingness to listen again, would be valuable for me as well. After all, if rap resonates so strongly in other people, it must be doin’ something right–even if I don’t understand it.

I’ve always enjoyed your wit and word-play…especially the songs and poems. I remember your help when The Luddites were trying to figure out how tags work.

So friends again, I hope?

===================

And in a similar vein and closely related to re-thinking my long-standing biases: I’m going to purchase Rise Again and put it into my reading cue.

It’s high time to revisit the horror genre. I haven’t read any horror since I began writing fiction. That in itself will bring new appreciation: I read differently now. I’m looking forward to it, Spengler.

=============

I don’t know what I will die from, but I hope it isn’t sclerosis.

 
 

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