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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68947</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know: 
Arabic doesn&#039;t have a word for &lt;i&gt;enterprise&lt;/i&gt;?
Neither does Swedish?
And the Irish have no word for &lt;i&gt;sex&lt;/i&gt;?
The Japanese have a million words for &lt;i&gt;rain&lt;/i&gt;?
And don&#039;t forget those Eskimo words for &lt;i&gt;snow&lt;/i&gt;!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001979.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s some advice. Whenever you hear someone starting to say something that begins with &quot;The X have no word for Y&quot;, or &quot;The X have N different words for Y&quot;, never listen to them, and always check your wallet to make sure it&#039;s still there.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know:<br />
Arabic doesn&#8217;t have a word for <i>enterprise</i>?<br />
Neither does Swedish?<br />
And the Irish have no word for <i>sex</i>?<br />
The Japanese have a million words for <i>rain</i>?<br />
And don&#8217;t forget those Eskimo words for <i>snow</i>!</p>
<p><a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001979.html" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s some advice. Whenever you hear someone starting to say something that begins with &#8220;The X have no word for Y&#8221;, or &#8220;The X have N different words for Y&#8221;, never listen to them, and always check your wallet to make sure it&#8217;s still there.</a></p>
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		<title>By: ahem</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68747</link>
		<dc:creator>ahem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Doesnâ€™t Persian cooking already have such a creation thatâ€™s close enough to use the term for it?&lt;/i&gt;

Sorta. &#039;Nan&#039; is &#039;bread&#039;, hence &#039;nan e-lavash&#039; (crisp flatbread) and &#039;nan e-barbari&#039; (soft flatbread) and apparently &#039;nan e-[elastic]&#039; for pizza, though I doubt it&#039;ll stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Doesnâ€™t Persian cooking already have such a creation thatâ€™s close enough to use the term for it?</i></p>
<p>Sorta. &#8216;Nan&#8217; is &#8216;bread&#8217;, hence &#8216;nan e-lavash&#8217; (crisp flatbread) and &#8216;nan e-barbari&#8217; (soft flatbread) and apparently &#8216;nan e-[elastic]&#8216; for pizza, though I doubt it&#8217;ll stick.</p>
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		<title>By: mdhatter</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68730</link>
		<dc:creator>mdhatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are freedom fries? Are they like fried long-rectangle-tatos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are freedom fries? Are they like fried long-rectangle-tatos?</p>
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		<title>By: piotr</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68623</link>
		<dc:creator>piotr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Reagan made a mistake, as Russian did not have a word for privacy.  Understandable, as Republicans do not understand that concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Reagan made a mistake, as Russian did not have a word for privacy.  Understandable, as Republicans do not understand that concept.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68607</link>
		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to tempt your tastebuds:

&quot;Alcazar is a garlic-powered vision of a seaside Lebanese cafÃ©, a terrace perfumed with apple tobacco puffing from a dozen bright hookahs, the sharp scent of fried fish with garlic and tahini, the sweet aroma of chicken kebabs grilling over charcoal. Late on weekend evenings, when the patio fills with live Armenian music and the restaurant becomes a nightclub lubricated with Almaza beer and the tasty arak imported from Beirut, a cook fires up a special cooking device in a corner of the courtyard, a sort of vast, inverted wok fixed over a powerful flame, and bakes ultrathin sajj bread, smoky and pliant and as broad as a sailboat sail, to wrap around grilled meat or make into the thin, crisp, thyme-scented Arab quesadillas called kâ€™llej.&quot;

Yum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to tempt your tastebuds:</p>
<p>&#8220;Alcazar is a garlic-powered vision of a seaside Lebanese cafÃ©, a terrace perfumed with apple tobacco puffing from a dozen bright hookahs, the sharp scent of fried fish with garlic and tahini, the sweet aroma of chicken kebabs grilling over charcoal. Late on weekend evenings, when the patio fills with live Armenian music and the restaurant becomes a nightclub lubricated with Almaza beer and the tasty arak imported from Beirut, a cook fires up a special cooking device in a corner of the courtyard, a sort of vast, inverted wok fixed over a powerful flame, and bakes ultrathin sajj bread, smoky and pliant and as broad as a sailboat sail, to wrap around grilled meat or make into the thin, crisp, thyme-scented Arab quesadillas called kâ€™llej.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yum.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68603</link>
		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just a bit baffled by the choice of phrase &quot;elastic loaves&quot; for pizza. Pizza is basically flatbread with cheese and seasonings on it. Doesn&#039;t Persian cooking already have such a creation that&#039;s close enough to use the term for it? I just ate something like this in a Lebanese restaurant yesterday, and it was damn good.

And where does the elastic part come in?

Methinks someone&#039;s translation bot is malfunctioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just a bit baffled by the choice of phrase &#8220;elastic loaves&#8221; for pizza. Pizza is basically flatbread with cheese and seasonings on it. Doesn&#8217;t Persian cooking already have such a creation that&#8217;s close enough to use the term for it? I just ate something like this in a Lebanese restaurant yesterday, and it was damn good.</p>
<p>And where does the elastic part come in?</p>
<p>Methinks someone&#8217;s translation bot is malfunctioning.</p>
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		<title>By: Smiling Mortician</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68574</link>
		<dc:creator>Smiling Mortician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>English would have to give up a lot more than &quot;voila&quot; and &quot;tsunami&quot; in order to purify itself, given that only about a quarter of our vocabulary is actually English (i.e. Anglo Saxon). Just over half of our words come from Latin, either directly or through French (imbroglio, hell -- we can&#039;t even have a disaster), another chunk from Greek, and of course spatterings from all sorts of other languages, including Spanish, Russian, Japanese, Arabic, Yiddish . . .

The Icelanders&#039; conscious decision to reject foreign terminology makes sense in such an isolated and homogeneous society. China is similar, although its linguistic decisions have much to do with the need to make all vocabulary fit within its character system. Japan, more open socially and more flexible phonetically with its three writing systems,  adopts foreign words where China does not -- the Japanese use the word &quot;computer&quot; (spelled in katakana, of course) while the Chinese use the word &quot;dian nao,&quot; which means electric brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English would have to give up a lot more than &#8220;voila&#8221; and &#8220;tsunami&#8221; in order to purify itself, given that only about a quarter of our vocabulary is actually English (i.e. Anglo Saxon). Just over half of our words come from Latin, either directly or through French (imbroglio, hell &#8212; we can&#8217;t even have a disaster), another chunk from Greek, and of course spatterings from all sorts of other languages, including Spanish, Russian, Japanese, Arabic, Yiddish . . .</p>
<p>The Icelanders&#8217; conscious decision to reject foreign terminology makes sense in such an isolated and homogeneous society. China is similar, although its linguistic decisions have much to do with the need to make all vocabulary fit within its character system. Japan, more open socially and more flexible phonetically with its three writing systems,  adopts foreign words where China does not &#8212; the Japanese use the word &#8220;computer&#8221; (spelled in katakana, of course) while the Chinese use the word &#8220;dian nao,&#8221; which means electric brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Hysterical Woman</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68565</link>
		<dc:creator>Hysterical Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could sure go for some &quot;Elastic Loaves.&quot; Mmmmmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could sure go for some &#8220;Elastic Loaves.&#8221; Mmmmmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gill</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68540</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Watch Your Language ...  at least if you find yourself in Iran or Russia.&lt;/i&gt;

Hey, at least you can go there.  I can&#039;t even go to Thailand.  There&#039;s a non-trivial chance that I&#039;ll be confused with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1049546.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rape-murder suspect&lt;/a&gt; and be thrown in a Southeast Asian prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Watch Your Language &#8230;  at least if you find yourself in Iran or Russia.</i></p>
<p>Hey, at least you can go there.  I can&#8217;t even go to Thailand.  There&#8217;s a non-trivial chance that I&#8217;ll be confused with a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1049546.stm" rel="nofollow">rape-murder suspect</a> and be thrown in a Southeast Asian prison.</p>
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		<title>By: aimai</title>
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		<dc:creator>aimai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I think its the icelanders who determined they would have their own word for &quot;television&quot; derived from their own root words. This is pretty common.

aimai</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I think its the icelanders who determined they would have their own word for &#8220;television&#8221; derived from their own root words. This is pretty common.</p>
<p>aimai</p>
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		<title>By: i dunno</title>
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		<dc:creator>i dunno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, they want to make official Persian the official language of Iran?

That is different than making English the official language of the US?  Soon to be followed by &quot;official English&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, they want to make official Persian the official language of Iran?</p>
<p>That is different than making English the official language of the US?  Soon to be followed by &#8220;official English&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: blowback</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68495</link>
		<dc:creator>blowback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AcadÃ©mie FranÃ§aise tried to do the same a few years ago when le weekend was used a bit to much for their liking.

BTW, I always thought that the word ordinateur (computer to you hamburger-eating, turn-up-for-wars-late monkeys) was an invention of the AcadÃ©mie FranÃ§aise, but it turns out we have to &lt;a href=&quot;http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinateur&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blame IBM for that&lt;/a&gt;.

What I can never understand about the AcadÃ©mie FranÃ§aise&#039;s attitude is that about fifty percent of the words in the English language are of French origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AcadÃ©mie FranÃ§aise tried to do the same a few years ago when le weekend was used a bit to much for their liking.</p>
<p>BTW, I always thought that the word ordinateur (computer to you hamburger-eating, turn-up-for-wars-late monkeys) was an invention of the AcadÃ©mie FranÃ§aise, but it turns out we have to <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinateur" rel="nofollow">blame IBM for that</a>.</p>
<p>What I can never understand about the AcadÃ©mie FranÃ§aise&#8217;s attitude is that about fifty percent of the words in the English language are of French origin.</p>
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		<title>By: blowback</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68490</link>
		<dc:creator>blowback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retardo - i never thought freedom fries could be so &lt;i&gt;dÃ©licieux&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retardo &#8211; i never thought freedom fries could be so <i>dÃ©licieux</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: celticgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3402.html#comment-68488</link>
		<dc:creator>celticgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herr Doktor: Nope, we just have the good old fashioned &#039;donnybrook&#039; and &#039;clusterfuck&#039;...</description>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Bimler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Bimler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is that victory in the Middle East is certain, because English has no words for debÃ¢cle, or fiasco, or imbroglio.

The fact is that Coalition forces are unbeatable because of their superior &lt;i&gt;Ã©lan&lt;/i&gt; and their &lt;i&gt;esprit de corps&lt;/i&gt;.
/Ruppert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is that victory in the Middle East is certain, because English has no words for debÃ¢cle, or fiasco, or imbroglio.</p>
<p>The fact is that Coalition forces are unbeatable because of their superior <i>Ã©lan</i> and their <i>esprit de corps</i>.<br />
/Ruppert</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Bimler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Bimler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;mikey said,
Man, demonizing a false enemy has fallen on hard times.&lt;/i&gt;

All part of the slide into mediocrity and banality... 
I mean, it wouldn&#039;t be quite so bad if the people suborning your democracy and usurping your government were evil geniuses (genii?). You know, soft-spoken sinister mafiosi from the Godfather mold. Or a middle-European cabal of machiavellian schemers with exotic accents, even more exotic vices, and names like Blofeld, gathering regularly for meetings in their volcano bases where they report progress on how they have managed to undermine the bastions of freedom. Or Professor Moriarty types, veritable Napoleans of crime, dressed in full-length red-lined Victorian cloaks which trail behind them as they stride back and forth on the podium, addressing the meeting in the volcano base.

But no. What you have is a bunch of kleptocrats, for whom the only significance of any branch of government is its possible use as a source of spoils, and of jobs to be farmed out to one&#039;s cronies. Kleptocrats who have not advanced one inch in terms of sophistication from that Borgia Pope, whose name I cannot be arsed looking up... You know, the one of &quot;Now We have the Papacy, let Us enjoy it&quot; fame.

What depresses me is the missed opportunity. If they&#039;re going to be criminals, why can&#039;t they be &lt;i&gt;classy&lt;/i&gt; criminals?

All off-thread, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>mikey said,<br />
Man, demonizing a false enemy has fallen on hard times.</i></p>
<p>All part of the slide into mediocrity and banality&#8230;<br />
I mean, it wouldn&#8217;t be quite so bad if the people suborning your democracy and usurping your government were evil geniuses (genii?). You know, soft-spoken sinister mafiosi from the Godfather mold. Or a middle-European cabal of machiavellian schemers with exotic accents, even more exotic vices, and names like Blofeld, gathering regularly for meetings in their volcano bases where they report progress on how they have managed to undermine the bastions of freedom. Or Professor Moriarty types, veritable Napoleans of crime, dressed in full-length red-lined Victorian cloaks which trail behind them as they stride back and forth on the podium, addressing the meeting in the volcano base.</p>
<p>But no. What you have is a bunch of kleptocrats, for whom the only significance of any branch of government is its possible use as a source of spoils, and of jobs to be farmed out to one&#8217;s cronies. Kleptocrats who have not advanced one inch in terms of sophistication from that Borgia Pope, whose name I cannot be arsed looking up&#8230; You know, the one of &#8220;Now We have the Papacy, let Us enjoy it&#8221; fame.</p>
<p>What depresses me is the missed opportunity. If they&#8217;re going to be criminals, why can&#8217;t they be <i>classy</i> criminals?</p>
<p>All off-thread, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Marq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure the Iranian effort to purify their language will meet with the same spectacular success that the French had in de-corrupting French, removing evil English words like &quot;sandwich.&quot; I&#039;m surprised that the &quot;English as the official language&quot;-types haven&#039;t jumped on this bandwagon and *demanded* that American English be scoured of such words as &quot;voila&quot; and &quot;tsunami.&quot; Personally, I&#039;ve found the rampant cannibalism inherent in American English to be one of its greatest strengths; it adapts far more rapidly by assimilating useful foreign words than most other languages coin new ones. Of course, it&#039;s no slouch when it comes to word coinage either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the Iranian effort to purify their language will meet with the same spectacular success that the French had in de-corrupting French, removing evil English words like &#8220;sandwich.&#8221; I&#8217;m surprised that the &#8220;English as the official language&#8221;-types haven&#8217;t jumped on this bandwagon and *demanded* that American English be scoured of such words as &#8220;voila&#8221; and &#8220;tsunami.&#8221; Personally, I&#8217;ve found the rampant cannibalism inherent in American English to be one of its greatest strengths; it adapts far more rapidly by assimilating useful foreign words than most other languages coin new ones. Of course, it&#8217;s no slouch when it comes to word coinage either.</p>
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		<title>By: random_guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>random_guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 04:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man. is the &lt;i&gt;weekend at bernie&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; guy a wingnut??? That&#039;s too bad, I really liked those movies when I was a kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man. is the <i>weekend at bernie&#8217;s</i> guy a wingnut??? That&#8217;s too bad, I really liked those movies when I was a kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Sexy Sadie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sexy Sadie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 04:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Andrew McCarthy--he just can&#039;t live down &quot;Weekend at Bernie&#039;s II,&quot; so he resorts to right-wing nonsense.</description>
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		<title>By: BorgCopyeditor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BorgCopyeditor</dc:creator>
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		<description>Damn, that&#039;s funny! &lt;i&gt;English&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t have a word for &lt;i&gt;dÃ©tente&lt;/i&gt;, either. I guess all we understand is force.

What&#039;s the Farsi word for &quot;smacktard&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, that&#8217;s funny! <i>English</i> doesn&#8217;t have a word for <i>dÃ©tente</i>, either. I guess all we understand is force.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the Farsi word for &#8220;smacktard&#8221;?</p>
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