I rarely post here, and when I do I usually get an email from Gavin. I’m just going to go straight into attacks here b/c you annoy me and you’re not very funny. You are confirming my already-low opinion of the LA District Attorney’s Office. The fact that you’re even mentioning libel is just . . . well. You’re seem to be one of those criminal attorneys who’s used to getting the law handed to him by in digestible chunks at continuing education seminars. (Do you even have a Lexis pass? If you do, I’m sure it’s wasted).

OK, on to boring legal analysis – what Cooley apparently doesn’t bother teaching his DA’s. Here’s Retardo:

How’s this: You wholly excused Jeff Goldstein’s and PW commenters’ violent and sexually threatening posts as humorous..

So what’s the “fact” there that’s libelous? Retardo says that you “excused” the posts “as humorous.” He did not say you thought they were humorous. Check out the difference, one statement accusing Joe of thinking a statement funny, the other not (see if you can guess which is which):

Joe excused his daughter by explaining that she thought she was being funny by calling the old lady a brown-dress wearer (true crack-up joke by my dauther).

Joe thinks calling people {insert racist epithet] is hiiiiiilarity.

If I ever commit a crime, will you be my prosecutor? Also, please note that everything I’ve posted here is my opinion, and not meant to be taken as fact. You idiot.

DC: I’ve had enough fireworks for one 4th of July.

Think about it.

That context makes it pretty clear that there was no threat and that Deb was trying to make a poitn about the baehavior of others at the site, but reading comprehension is not a strong suit of PW’s readers so it went completely over their head.

Should she have made the comments she did? No, and she agrees and has apologized.

Was she in any way threatening Jeff’s tyke? Not a chance.

Pablo ain’t the brightest.

This is just too silly. Marital records in US cities are on the internet. (For example, google the “city name” in which you were married plus the phrase “marriage records.”)

So does this mean that the full name of the spouse is now public information which we should post all over the internet?

ayi, yi, yi.

Just in the interest of complete honesty: I do not have a Live Journal page, and never have had one.

Hey, joking about sexual assault of someone who *might* be adult- that’s just damn funny! But sexual assault of someone *known* to be a child- that’s over the line.
Unless Jeff actually did it, in which case Im sure you’ll magically find the context makes it teh funny joke & write it off.

Was the sister a minor? I’m guessing not.

Welcome to wingnut-moral-relativism-land, where all of your potential moral issues are solved by guessing that they don’t exist. Is Patty concerned that his hero might have done something he professes to find abhorrent? Not at all! Instead, he’ll just guess that it didn’t happen and fuggetaboutit.
Are these the actions of someone who is horrified by flamewar sexual references? Sadly, no…

If the commenter told Jeff that his sister was a minor, and Jeff then talked about molesting her, I’ll be very surprised, and yes, I’ll condemn it. Somehow, I don’t think the facts will bear that out.

But not so concerned that you’ll lift a fucking finger to find out. And *please* don’t post asking someone else to look into this for you. If you gave half a rat’s ass about this issue that you’re so up in arms about, you’d fucking do it yourself. Twat.

Violence against, and sexual molestation of, small children just isn’t a laughing matter

But sexual assault against adults, your mileage may vary (an ugly sentiment that you offered up earlier). Sometimes, it’s just absurd and teh funny!
(I mean, for fucks sake, not including adults here is positively fucking sick. It’s like saying “raping white women, that’s over the line”, not understanding the necessary corrolary implied by adding the adjective).

Funny how, when [Retardo] makes such a vile accusation, everyone here does line up to defend him, just as I predicted.

Wow, you are teh psychic. You show up complaining about certain comments being out of bounds & folks not stepping up to denounce them, and when your offered an example of your own failure to denounce you swing and miss. Yes, most folks will gather round and giggle at your sorry ass- your predicting it ahead of time is truly sad. It’s like you *want* to be posterized- which explains what you’re doing here.

And leave your talk of lawsuits behind. Pretending that you’re trying to do Gavin a fucking *favor* because other folks might sue is twice as sad. There is nothing even potentially resembling a winnable lawsuit here. Hell, you probably know that, you just plain ran out of ground to defend & had to try to save face somehow- playing the noble victim. Trebly sad.

It really sounds like a lot of you do [believe Jeff's threats of violence]. It’s like you don’t quite get the joke.

Oh, I get the sad, passive aggressive, wannabe-macho-man jokes. I think they’re indicative of a pathetic human being, and pretty much not funny- but I do get that he doesn’t have a tenth of the balls required to actually *do* any of this stuff.
What I don’t get is how someone who can type complete sentences, such as yourself, can compile such a whopping double-standard. People you like say crude, rude, threatening things = humor. People you don’t like etc = unacceptable discourse. WIth the imanginary line drawn in afterwards- Sexual assault of adults = teh funny. Graphic descriptions of beating adults to death = teh, teh funny! Threats against children = Ouch, my panties! In a wad!

In parting, I hope that your childen, should you have any, get anally raped…. when they turn 18! Now, that’s funny, huh?
(To reiterate: your position that the sexual assault of adults is funny is deranged, sick, sad, fucked-up, and morally retarded. That you take this position for the sole purpose of defending a blog-buddy is demonstrative of your complete lack of moral fiber. You worthless shitbag.)

Why do these idiots have to throw around big sounding words like ‘libel’ and ‘treason’?

I think it might be because they have no defense for their asinine positions.

I *could* sue you? What a fucking MORAN.

Patterico2: “I am biting down on my rage right now. I’ll resist the temptation to say Ann Coulter was right about where Timothy McVeigh should have gone with his truck bomb. I’ll say only this: it’s becoming increasingly clear to me that the people at the New York Times are not just biased media folks whose antics can be laughed off. They are actually dangerous.” 6/22/06

And when commenter CraigC wrote in response: “Here’s the little missive I sent:

You disgusting, despicable, self-absorbed little pricks. I wouldn’t piss on any of you if you were on fire. I hope that when the 7th-century animals pull off the next attack that’s successful because of the effective, legal programs you assholes have exposed and rendered useless, the NYT building is the first place hit. Ann Coulter was right, McVeigh should have parked his truck in front of the Times building.

PIGS. FUCKING TREASONOUS PIGS.”

Patterico replied with: “I understand the emotion, believe me. I didn’t quite go the “Ann Coulter was rightâ€? route, but (as I said in the post) I understand the temptation. I, like you, am totally enraged.

I want to see an independent prosecutor looking into both the NYT and LAT stories.”

Unequivocal condemnation indeed.

eeeekkk!

(really, what else is there to say – except for …)

eeeekkkk!

Quite. How’s the search for willing sex-play partners going, Pabst Blue Ribbon?

There are some people who believe that there should be no such thing as a private sphere, and that everything is fair game for political battle. Such people are called totalitarians.

but Pablo – All marriage records are already on the web. Anybody could find out the full name of anybody else’s spouse in three minutes.

Did you ask that of NTodd, Thirsty? And did you ask Mary why she posted your personal information at Live Journal? News flash: If your info is on the interweb, it ain’t private.

Lying crybaby.

“Was there any actual death threat in the postings?”

Ask geoduck2. Clearly there were expicit threats to rape and kill the child. Unless she’s a hypocrite…