There is…his name’s Ted Rall.

Arrived here through a blizzard of links, unintentionally. Which is my little pre-emptive nuh-uh against the charge of being a rightie wingnut troll. Right-wing, sure. Troll? Negative.

First let me address the major bullet points, straw men, non sequiturs, bait-and-switches, call them what you will (and you will), used in many
comments here. This will help us change the tone. That is the plan.
Hey, I like “fuck you” as much as the next guy but, alas, it tends to wear. I generally limit its use to 1) road rage incidents and 2) those occassions where it is preceded by the phrase “I would really like to…” and followed by “Seriously, all I had to do was ask?”

Your mileage may vary, but if we can get an ‘amen’ on these, perhaps we can communicate with resorting to puppitry and mime. Of course,
you can issue the “fuck you” fatwa at any time and refuse to read on. But you are not a cretin, SO OFF WE GO !

- “Some left wingers” is not equal to “all left wingers”. Same for the right.
One feather does not a wing make. Coulter is not *the* right wing. Ditto for Kos on *the* left. Same for Goldstein. Ditto for Air America. And Deb Frisch is…well, sadly…Frisch.

- All left wingers are not expected to know of, care about, or feel compelled to comment on every post, on every blog. Ditto right wing.

- Both wings harbor a number of folks of good will, a small number of whom possess wit and/or writing skills. A smaller number display minimal
motor skills. The remainder are assholes, trolls, pricks, cunts, dipshits, provocateurs, cretins and fools. Everyone thinks they belong to the good-will group. Everyone is wrong.

- “They started it” is not an argument. Pre-schoolers use it when Mom catches them doing shit.

- “They do it too” is not an argument. Everyone caught doing shit uses it, especially if someone they know got away with doing the same shit. Cretins use this one. A lot.

- “They do it more” is not an argument. Not even close. It’s shit. Using this shit insults the intelligence of nyone unfortunate enough to have heard this shit. Cretins are also big fans of this one. Go figure.

- “Yeah, but this equals that, and you did that, so…” is not an argument. OK, it is an argument. Fine, you got me. It can be powerful if properly used. Even logical. Perhaps even true. The trick lies in determining whether the simile holds up. No one can agree whether it holds up.
No one ever will. No one wants to. That’s why its a trick. Also why it’s shit. Lots of people use this one, and they use it a lot. They always will. Some of them are also cretins. Old news.

Done.

Now you can research Deb Frisch, if you are interested. You will find she has advised Homeland Security on decision-making, and given classes at the FBI. On terrorism. With a security clearance. If you feel these two informational items, coupled with sexual molestation and/or death threats to a two-year-old boy, extending over three weeks, plus an affinity for suicide bombers, plus a rather troubling fixation on blowing/shooting stuff up, should NOT concern Jeff Goldstein, then I will say no more.

Many here oppose her actions, albeit with varying degrees of contempt, and have said so in your comments. And I thank you for that. Not all leftwing commenters share that view. Some — by that I mean a hell of a lot more than two — do NOT consider her vile. To the contrary.

Anyway, thanks for playing.

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I’m sure he’ll be greatly relieved.

And fred, since you’re new here, let me let you in on a little secret gavin and the gang showed me when I first came.

If you want to maintain the “progressive” way, you must always deny that we use personal attacks to stifle debate. They must NEVER know that we argue using our emotions in an attempt to hide behind the fact that, despite all of our academic experience, we are so inept in operating within the confines of reality that we would rather drag the entire modicum of debate down to the gutter. (besides, they’re all trailor park dwelling, beer swilling, sister fucking, gun loving rednecks anyway. I know because my liberal undergrad socialogy prof told me so.

2. If ever you are presented with undenyable proof that, not only do we “progressives” (man, I just love the irony in using that word to describe us, don’t you?) engage in the same disgusting attacks we always accuse the right of, (and scream for apologies for), just post a bunch of comments by right bloggers that are of the same tenor.

(and no, before you ask, it doesn’t matter if we are being hypocritical by screaming for apoligies and condemnation from the right for the same kind of comments, yet offering none when the situation is reversed; they are RETHUGLIKKKANS(tm) for chrissakes, they aren’t worthy of being treated with petty things like common decency and respect. Only we elitest “progressives” deserve that).

Hope that helps,

Veritas

P.S. CHIMPYMCFLIGHTSUITALIBANAZIDIOT!!!

…man, always wanted to say that!

Did Deb kill those kids?

This is an excellent opportunity for you to start using some of that independent thinking I mentioned earlier. Rather than have your conclusions pre-chewed for you into an easily digestible paste, try figuring this one out for yourself.

Better yet, what has been your point? That the current mission in Iraq has better principles than the Kosovo mission?

Sadly, no.

My point is that the Leftist mantra for the last several years, which has been focused on painting the Iraq war as the Worst Military Action In Human History, is stunningly, jaw-droppingly, laughably hypocritical, inasmuch as this nugget of narrative comes from the fucking DEMOCRATS, who, as recently as 1998, blithely set off to do THE EXACT SAME THING, complete with all of the added media-rich bonuses of misleading intelligence and dead children.

For just a second, think about the OUTRAGE you think you feel over the Grave Injustice that is Iraq, the magnitude of your feelings on the subject, the fact that in your mind it is the most horrid, wretched, end-of-the-world series of events ever to befall the human race.

Now, open your mind to the possibility that all of these feelings, all of this ill will, all of these conclusions that you have reached about Iraq and Bush were synthesized by a vast network of DNC propagandists who know EXACTLY how to manipulate you. They know how to get you to parrot the line that they want you to repeat, how to get you to see the world as they want you to see it, how to get you to remember the things they want you to remember.

The thing is — Iraq is indefensible. It was and is wrong. It is horrible and never should have happened. But if you can’t see the glaring and obvious parallels to the misadventure that Clinton launched in Kosovo, then you are not only a fool, but a willing fool.

Phinn, fuck you you worthless piece of shit. You reach back into the past to try to call the kettle [black]

The Kosovo bombings (you know, the ones based on false and misleading intelligence against a country that posed no security threat to the US, remember?) were, like, 7 years ago! What are you, 12?

… and only make it crystal clear you’re such an inhuman waste of skin you don’t give a flying fuck about any loss of life except to make your goddamned point.

Oh, right. That famous liberal empathy. I’m supposed to wring my hands a few times before I apologize for Clinton’s high-altitude bombings, shake my head and pretend that Bush is somehow any different.

you and yours slavishly support a a regime currently engaged in wanton bloodshed, about which you say and do nothing or worse yet actively support, yet some unknown psychotic moron is enough to get you fat useless asses to rise up.

You don’t know the first thing about me. As it turns out, I am perfectly capable of thinking that BOTH you AND the Iraq War-supporters are wrong, with not more than a hair’s breadth of difference between you. The world is not the binary, simplistic, us-versus-them place that you think it is.

I didn’t yell, I didn’t cuss (though I can assure you that I can cuss more intelligently, at greater length, without repeating myself than any of the exemplars I have discovered here.) and I didn’t call anybody names.

I suppose that makes me too boring. ;-)

Jean said,

July 11, 2006 at 6:32

Wow, you nailed us there Matoko, even though you’ve never had contact with another actual human, you know so much about these foreign species. There’s nothing a marine loves more than a cheeto-eating chickenhawk who’s sitting on his ass clutching his…

Hey Jean: You CAPITALIZE the word Marine. Semper Fi, and fuck you all.

Eddie Money sucks about as much as anything has ever sucked before, now that I think about it.

Ummm….Jillian….isn’t her name Randy Rhodes? Isn’t she on some wacky station called “Air Amerikkka?

p.s. Eddie Money REALLY sucks.