Fashion Notes


ABOVE: Hillbuzzer Kevin Dujan

Shorter Kevin “Fashion Plate” Doucheman*, Hillscuzz
Who’s Dressed Better? The First Spouse, or Whitney Houston?

  • Even a crack ho is better dressed than Michelle Obama.

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*Cf.

 

Comments: 309

 
 
 

a little over obsessed by dresses, this boy, mummy issues, perhaps

 
Enraged Bull Limpet
 

I decided long ago never to walk in anyone’s shadow, but right now the greatest love of all is for sleep. Wardrobe can wait.

 
Wyatt Watts III
 

Maybe I’m naive, but I got off the boat and stumbled into the animatronic-Disneyland-like-ride-of-near-perfect-loopity-doopity-lunacy that is “Class vs. Crass.” Did you know that Mrs. U.S. Grant remained steadfastly and praise-worthily cross-eyed, while Michelle Obama had a nose job to be more “caucasized”?

This is a Landover Baptist-like site, right? Right????!!!

 
 

Oh sure right. It’s easy to melt away the pit meat when you’re strung out on a kilo a day.

 
 

Safe to get out of the boat, probably, but stay on the dry land. The comments are a swamp of stupid & catty, but sad. (As opposed to, you know, amusing catty.)

 
 

Oh gawd, Grace N. went into the swamp & saw!

 
A Concerned Citizen
 

Just when I think there isn’t anything more odious than a right-wing wingnut, I get reminded of the existence of Hillbuzz or the like. Left-wing wingnuts aren’t even interesting in a supervillainesque sort of way. It’s like if Confederacy of Dunces weren’t funny.

 
 

mummy issues, perhaps

Right, let’s just blame the mummies for this! You know, it’s remarks like this that remind me of how much I hate the film industry. Mummies have never hurt anyone–not one single person–who did not richly deserve it.

Seriously. Enter my tomb uninvited and I will cut you.

 
 

Oh, and when I said “I will cut you,” I obviously did not mean that I would personally wield a sharp implement and make jabbing and/or slashing movements with it.

I mean, I clearly have staff for that.

 
 

I mean, I clearly have staff for that.

Flails, too.

 
 

Sad balding dweebs with moobs should perhaps StFu about the appearance of others.

 
 

Ah, nostalgia. Michelle is even better for this sort of thing than Hillary was, because she’s a negress, so you can be horribly racist and unpardonably misogynistic at the same time! Brilliant!

 
Caliph Garrett
 

My brother (Viceroy Rogers) and I were working on his car the other night and having a discussion about racist leftists, and I was hard-pressed to find an example…until I remembered the PUMAs and their supermassive hatred of Prez. Obama that seemed to overwhelm any of their other beliefs.

(If they actually HAD any firm left-ish beliefs to begin with, but still.)

Congrats, Kevin, I’ll think of you the next time I’m prying a corroded wheel off the hub of a ’92 Accord.

 
 

So this feller with the *cough* mummy issues and the very sharp fashion eye was a big supporter of Hillary?

I got that right?

Oh, I bet Bill Clinton would have looked good in that dress. Oh, yes he would have.

 
 

I mean, I clearly have staff for that.

Asp.

 
 

Staffs?
Flails?
Asps?
Hmm..sometimes a penis is just cigar but all this symbolism around a mummy is liable to feed into Tintin’s Palin MILF fantasies. And Trig must feed before nightfall…

 
 

Perhaps I am being naive, but it just makes me sad that Hillary “supporters” would engage in the EXACT SAME kinds of misogynist attacks on the first lady that Hillary herself had to stoically endure. Next thing you know they will accuse the Obamas of being serial murderers and drug dealers (just like the Clintons). Hell, maybe it was Michelle Obama who killed Vince Foster.

 
 

Hmm..sometimes a penis is just cigar but all this symbolism around a mummy is liable to feed into Tintin’s Palin MILF fantasies. And Trig must feed before nightfall…

You can asp anyone on staff that Palin MILF fantasies are nothing but an EPIC PHLAIL.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I have one word: EYEBROWS.

 
 

I have one word: EYEBROWS.

Imma thinkin’ Unibrow. He mows that bad boy.

 
 

Always. Trust. The. Shorter.™

This is taking PUMA a bit to an extreme. I can certainly appreciate the deep psychosis it takes to hate Barack Obama after 2008…I’m a Rangers fan after all…but to say Michelle Obama is badly dressed smacks of, um, well….fanboism?

 
 

I did get out of the boat. A mango, literally, was worth it.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Michelle….that lady is a fit bit as the Brits say.

 
 

Rodrigo and Gabriela played the state dinner, so somebody at the White House did something right.

 
 

It seems to me that if you are going to play the part of a right wing Tim Gunn that you should:

a.) know at least a little about fashion and
b.) actually have good taste

I know taste is subjective, but, yeah…really it isn’t; he’s just flat out wrong. The fact is that Michelle always looks immaculate and classy. Some may take issue the fact that she is obviously not afraid of color and that she sometimes favors bold prints or that she sometimes cuts a very retro sillouette, but ya know what?

SHE PULLS
IT ALL
OFF.

And she always looks amazing. Did you guys see her in that blue gown with the new curly do? Stunning!

I think people like this guy (who really ought to get fucked in the nostril with his own pencil dick) are just very very bitter because look whom they’ve had to work with the past couple decades:

the skeletal, pointy-faced Nancy Reagan
the chubby, hyper-matronly Barbara Bush
the boring frump Stepford wife, Laura

I know, guys…its a bummer that your gals don’t hold a candle to Michelle. She’s the new, black Jackie O. Suck on it.

 
 

Seriously. Enter my tomb uninvited and I will cut you.

We can fix that.

Oh, ZOMBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

 
 

who really ought to get fucked in the nostril with his own a number 2 pencil dick

Fixed!

 
 

Still fixated on that pharaoh, huh, VS?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Imma thinkin’ Unibrow. He mows that bad boy.

That’s actually what I meant, but somehow typed the wrong thing. I’m excusing myself, because it’s 8:30 and I still haven’t had coffee…

 
 

Perhaps I am being naive, but it just makes me sad that Hillary “supporters” would engage in the EXACT SAME kinds of misogynist attacks on the first lady that Hillary herself had to stoically endure.

Try McCain actually hiring the same people in the 2008 campaign who ran the “illegitimate black daughter” adds against him in 2000.

 
 

actor whatever joke yer making is going right over my head. Moar coffee?

 
 

I was asking about the “eat your fucking hearts out” comment. Whutup?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

SHE PULLS IT ALL OFF.

I have to disagree a teeeeeny bit. I think she pulls about 85-90% of it off. Which is very, very good, given that she’s in the public eye ALL THE TIME. I know I probably couldn’t do that well. The more important thing is that she has her own style, and that she knows her body well, so even when she has a miss, it’s usually not too bad, and at least she’s doing her own thing. Plus, she’s not in some dowdy polyester suit and nude hose all the time.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Her hair does look fucking awesome.

 
 

SHE PULLS IT ALL OFF

INTEREST!

Website? Newsletter?

 
 

So it’s “first spouse” now, is it?

 
 

actor’s waiting for the Obama date night sex tape.

 
 

Michelle Obama brings it.

In a country of women who need as many role models as can possibly be provided, and considering that girls like Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan are among those available, Michelle has an obligation to make herself up and wow people.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

So it’s “first spouse” now, is it?

Well, we certainly wouldn’t want to call the burly, uncouth Michelle Obama a lady, now would we?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Also, too, maybe I’m biased, but I love tall ladies who aren’t afraid to wear heels.

 
 

So it’s “first spouse” now, is it?

“First Lady” is a bit dated, if you ask me. First Wife would be inappropriate. First Woman would be inexcusably neutral, if accurate. First Spouse is, like First Wife, a bit inappropriate but a bit less so. But that’s just my opinion.

 
 

actor’s waiting for the Obama date night sex tape.

Chief Korir promised to send it to me, as soon as he can get clearances.

 
 

So it’s “first spouse” now, is it?

Well, we certainly wouldn’t want to call the burly, uncouth Michelle Obama a lady, now would we?

That’s the impression I got. I wonder if the author might have some sort of aversion to the word lady, since his mother called him that all his life.

 
 

“First Lady” is a bit dated, if you ask me. First Wife would be inappropriate. First Woman would be inexcusably neutral, if accurate. First Spouse is, like First Wife, a bit inappropriate but a bit less so. But that’s just my opinion.

I totally agree with this, but I think the source of the term provides a bit of insight on the intent. I could be full of shit, though. It wouldn’t be the first time that has been the case.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I totally agree with this, but I think the source of the term provides a bit of insight on the intent.

Yeah, I really do think it may have something to do with her being called masculine, but I could be wrong, too.

 
 

I just think it’s time these fucking wingnuts shut the fuck up about her. She’s done nothing but try to help people. It really is getting pathetic.

 
 

I totally agree with this, but I think the source of the term provides a bit of insight on the intent.

Absolutely. You can almost hear the sneer

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I just think it’s time these fucking wingnuts shut the fuck up about her. She’s done nothing but try to help people. It really is getting pathetic.

She intimidates the LIVING FUCK out of them. Not is she only a beautiful, smart woman–she’s a beautiful, smart, black woman. I’m sure the fact that she’s nearly six feet tall and in fantastic shape doesn’t help, either.

 
 

I’m sure the fact that she’s nearly six feet tall and in fantastic shape doesn’t help, either

Depends on what you need help with, if you know what I mean.

 
 

She intimidates the LIVING FUCK out of them. Not is she only a beautiful, smart woman–she’s a beautiful, smart, black woman.

That would be a “Bingo!”

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Depends on what you need help with, if you know what I mean.

Not if you’re a Republican. She’s not an unassuming, “well-behaved” white chick or a 13-year-old boy.

 
 

Absolutely. You can almost hear the sneer

I do like the idea of changing the term First Lady to something that isn’t inherently dismissive of the idea that a First Man (Husband?) is plausible or even expected at some point. –no I’m not going to dude—

She intimidates the LIVING FUCK out of them. Not is she only a beautiful, smart woman–she’s a beautiful, smart, black woman. I’m sure the fact that she’s nearly six feet tall and in fantastic shape doesn’t help, either.

I suppose she does intimidate them, but I get the sense that this is less about latent fear and more about just being a vicious, small man. I don’t think a single one of these slouchy twunts has any sort of understanding of policy, so they pick what they consider to be an easy target.

I can say in all honesty that I would never have taken any pleasure in beating up on Laura Bush like this. I find this behavior childish and vindictive.

 
 

Although I remember being absolutely enraged when those fucking subhuman racist assholes were calling the president’s daughters gutter trash or some such thing. That shit calls for a Battle Royale.

 
 

TruculentandUnreliable said,
May 21, 2010 at 15:51
Speaking of beautiful women, WTF?

Trailblazer or spy? How about pageant winner? We’re not talking about a huge accomplishment here. Spy? You keep it classy, CNN. That’s some pulitzer level journalism there.

Beautiful–wow, yes!

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I suppose she does intimidate them, but I get the sense that this is less about latent fear and more about just being a vicious, small man.

The two certainly aren’t mutually exclusive AT ALL. In fact, I’d say they go hand-in-hand.

Do I think they’d be assholes to any Democratic president’s wife? I do. But do I think there is a special racist, misogynist tinge to this shit that points toward how they think a “real woman” should look and behave? I certainly do. I know *I* intimidate the hell out of men like that, and I could never hope to be as accomplished as Michelle. AND I’m white.

 
 

I think what’s pissed them off more than anything is they haven’t been able to get under her skin.

Look at Michelle Obama: she’s outspoken, intelligent and clearly could run the Oval Office if she had been elected instead of her husband…and there’s a thought for 2016, btw.

Look at the foremost Republican women: outspoken.

And there you have it.

 
 

Check out the whine. Hilarious.

Waaaah

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Sorry for the tardiness – I just woke up. As one of the few really qualified to weigh in on fashion, I will simply this: Michelle is tres chic. She has her own style, which is the only true style.

 
 

This is delightful. How did the Internet know it was my birthday?

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

But actor, Nancy did run the OO. She and her astrologer, that is.

 
 

Pup, yea, but it was Reagan’s white house. Bonzo could have run the OO.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Look at the foremost Republican women: outspoken.

I have often thought about how Sarah Palin would react if people said the same shit about her that they’ve said about Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama. It would be HILARIOUS.

(This is not to say, of course, that Palin hasn’t had her share of sexist shit. But I still don’t believe it’s anywhere near to what these women have encountered, especially since they aren’t people who use sex to gain power).

 
 

The comments are a swamp of stupid & catty, but sad.

And the commenters are fooled into sending him money. I’d almost feel sorry for them if they weren’t so nasty.

 
 

Palin hasn’t had her share of sexist shit

Yea, from liberals, and we simply don’t have the viciousness to comment on much beyond her tacky glasses, obviously fake hair do and over-indulgence in spending other people’s money.

Hm. All of that much like any random Republican woman….

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Palin wight have been the target of a lit more sexist attacks had she not provided a wealth of other mock deserving traits.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Palin wight have been the target of a lit more sexist attacks had she not provided a wealth of other mock deserving traits.

Excellent point.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

“lot”

FYiPhone

 
 

Yea, but it was still an issue, if your skin is thin enough.

 
 

Pup, upgrade to the iPad. I like the bigger keyboard. Makes typos a breeze.

 
 

This is delightful. How did the Internet know it was my birthday?

Well, happy day to you Mrs. Polly!

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I would also say that Palin was much more a target of sexism from the right than from the left. Liking a female politician for her looks is just as sexist as slagging them. Also, that whole “Drill, baby, drill!” thing at the RNC when she was on stage? Rapey and creepy.

 
 

Also, that whole “Drill, baby, drill!” thing at the RNC when she was on stage? Rapey and creepy.

And of course, when it suited her, she supported it. Like the wink at the camera during the Veep debate and the posing for that Newsweek cover.

Yea, I know, it was for a Runner’s Magazine cover and was never used and was bought later, but was it or was it not her standing there in her beauty queen pose?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Yea, I know, it was for a Runner’s Magazine cover and was never used and was bought later, but was it or was it not her standing there in her beauty queen pose?

The thing about that was that it was even weird in the context of Runner’s World. If you look at photos of interviews with other women, most of them are, like, running and shit. Those were practically pinup photos.

I also don’t buy that she’s a “runner” in the first place, but I can’t prove that.

So pathetic and embarrassing, really.

 
 

If you look at photos of interviews with other women, most of them are, like, running and shit.

They did use shots of her running, in fairness.

When I was training for marathons many years ago, one of the big complaints to the magazine was the cheesecake photos they’d use when the portrayed a woman runner. Altho the cover photo unfailingly was an action shot (at the very least, a stretch), some of the inside photos in shorts and singlet were, well, fappable material.

I did a quick google search of the covers, and it appears they’ve done a 180. Most of the men’s shots are guys posing for beefcake, while the women’s shots are almost all action photos.

 
 

I also don’t buy that she’s a “runner” in the first place, but I can’t prove that.

Both her parents were track coaches. I have to give her the benefit of the doubt.

 
 

I freely admit to having criticized Laura Bush’s hair, make-up, shoes and fashion ensembles in general, but it was always from the point of view of, “Oh, honey, no!” It really never occurred to me to mock her as something less than human that was trying to dress up to pass as human. Okay, maybe a bit Stepfordy, but Stepford is fantasy.

Also too? For any of them – “them” being public figures, celebrities, whatever – who live much of their lives to the tune of cameras clicking and whirring and crowding you, you have to know that there are going to be pictures of you looking less than perfect. Sometimes humans sneeze, or forget to smile when they are scanning the room, or even frown when a cold wind hits them smack in the face while they’re navigating a stone staircase in stupid high heels.

There are oodles of plusses, too, of course. But the underlying mission of many of these yahoos is to make Michelle Obama and her husband less than human, animal imposters. It’s so awesomely old-fashioned of them. May I beat them up, please?

 
 

May I beat them up, please?

Only if I can videotape it.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

They did use shots of her running, in fairness.

Were there ones that I missed? Because I only saw these. (I’m asking sincerely).

Both her parents were track coaches. I have to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Fine. I can still hate her, though, right?

 
 

Yup, Sarah Palin has been genuinely athletic. I have no doubt that she has been a runner or jogger, and she competed fiercely in volleyball. She’s a big ol’ jerk, but that stuff, she’s not faking, IMO.

 
 

actor, the beating-up scene would be an homage. Think of River Tam vs. Reavers, toward the end of Serenity. Good times. Sweet memories.

 
 

The photographer was commissioned by Runner’s World to shoot photos for the interview, and decided to get a broad sample of photos with an eye towards submitting to stock photo agencies. My guess is he was paid by the sale, not the session, else he would have focused on shots RW would actually have used, and would have ignored the whole politics of Palin thing.

 
 

I think people like this guy (who really ought to get fucked in the nostril with his own pencil dick)

Oh, he tries! I think his level of bitterness is indicative of his success rate.

 
 

actor, the beating-up scene would be an homage.

See, I was thinking more of filming in the style of Eisenstein from the massacre at the Odessa steps in The Potemkin

 
 

I also don’t buy that she’s a “runner” in the first place, but I can’t prove that.

She has an official marathon time under four hours.

 
The Rainbow Batman Has No Time For Catty Queens (As Opposed To The Catwoman)
 

Let’s dispose of a few myths here:

HillBuzz was never about Hillary Clinton. It was all about the frontrunner against that black guy, and once the so-called PUMA “movement” got a lot of press, they decided to stick with that theme. If John Edwards had been the frontrunner vs. Obama, it would have been JohnBuzz–and still would be, even though Edwards is desperately trying to stay out of jail, because Dujan would have been too busy trying to keep up with what Michelle Obama wore on any given day.

It’s not about fashion. Dujan is exploiting the stereotype that gay men are all gifted with impeccable taste in fashion, male and female, which is obviously not true–as the pics show, he can barely dress himself. (In the same way, he tries to live up to the stereotype of the catty queen, as if he went to that imaginary gay finishing school where the Bringin’ It Like Oscar Wilde class met right after the one on Haute Couture. He’s not very good at that, either.) It’s a stereotype that more and more gay men are feeling free to ignore, if not actively work against; I don’t have the link handy, but there was one gay blogger who wrote a great post about how very, very sick he was of his straight female friends constantly asking him to go clothes shopping with them.

Yep, it’s about race. It pains me to say this, because I used to live in Chicago and get back there as often as I can, but there’s still a lot of racism in the city, and as we all know, being a member of one oppressed group doesn’t automatically make you more kindly disposed to others. (Listen to this episode of This American Life, about the late Harold Washington, if you haven’t already.)

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

My guess is he was paid by the sale, not the session, else he would have focused on shots RW would actually have used, and would have ignored the whole politics of Palin thing.

Yeah, I knew that he took photos with the intent to sell them (hence, the cover on Newsweek). Actually, I’m not blaming him or Runner’s World, or really, even Palin in this instance. It’s just the whole political pin-up thing is just weird…but really, that’s one of the few things she has going for her.

 
 

Oh, I have climbed the Odessa steps, and you, sir, are no Eisenstein.

Sorry. You may well be. I just couldn’t resist. Also, it happened in October 1977, when I invaded the Soviet Union and held Intourist hostage for 18 days of fun-filled romping, sight-seeing, and eating of remarkably bad food. I admit that at no point during my stay was there any sort of massacre.

 
 

Oh, I have climbed the Odessa steps, and you, sir, are no Eisenstein.

Damn. I’ll substitute in a wheelchair in place of the baby carriage. Better?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

She has an official marathon time under four hours.

I think I admitted somewhere up there that I was wrong. Still, let me re-emphasize: I am full of shit on this particular point.

Dujan is exploiting the stereotype that gay men are all gifted with impeccable taste in fashion, male and female, which is obviously not true–as the pics show, he can barely dress himself.

I agree. It gives him a great excuse to be a fucking douchebag.

 
 

To be fair, she started off running an ultra-marathon but quit halfway through.

 
 

To be fair, she started off running an ultra-marathon but quit halfway through.

*zing!*

 
 

actor, as long as you don’t set the wheelchair on fire.

T&U, I forgot to answer your question: yes, dear, of course you can still hate her.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

T&U, I forgot to answer your question: yes, dear, of course you can still hate her.

Yay!

 
 

Michelle Obama doesn’t have bad hair.

THIS is bad hair…

 
 

Some amazing images of the spill:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/disaster_unfolds_slowly_in_the.html

Note the dates of some of the landfall pictures…

Also, one of the underwater “plumes” may have surfaced way to the south

 
 

Note the dates of some of the landfall pictures…

Yea, I noticed that. Also, I’ve got an important appointment with a Spanish galleon next month in the Keys and it’s really pissing me off that I will have to cancel the dives indefinitely.

On the other hand…topside in the Keys is going to soften the blow a bit. OK, a lot.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Some amazing images of the spill:

Ugh. Somewhere there is live footage of the oil leaking out of one of the pipes…I can’t remember where, though, and it’s too depressing to find again.

 
 

Best line from celebribitchy link that DKW posted (“on the”):

By the way, what in the Walmart nightgown hell was the Mexican First Lady wearing? That dress looks like A) cotton jersey B) budget C) horribly cut D) all of the above. Fashion fail, Margarita Zavala.

Did she borrow that from your mom?

 
 

Somewhere there is live footage of the oil leaking out of one of the pipes

Yeah, and somehow the media forgot there are two other leaks, one at a kink in the pipe and one at the blow out preventer itself.

So many 24 hour news stations, and still shitty coverage of what is a total catastrophe. Even the earthquakes after Haiti didn’t get much. WTF does it take?

I’m not normally one to buy into conspiracy theories, but sometimes, it really does feel like the lack of information is a concious effort, not just the natural give and take of competing interests.

 
 

Did she borrow that from your mom?

Sure Momma Wangchuck’s fashion sense is more than a couple standard deviations from normal, but at least she wears clothes unlike some other commenters’ mothers (ahem, Whale Chowder).

 
 

it really does feel like the lack of information is a concious effort

Not really. It’s the profit motive. It takes time to report a story, time and money. Media needs to get bang for its buck, and sending a reporter to really dig into a good story requires a massive advanced of cash with no guarantee that a story is going to pan out and provide the kind of news that makes advertisers salivate.

Yea, there are a bunch of other factors, including corporate ownership and stuff like that, but at the bottom of it all, when you make your news division responsible for turning a profit, it stops being about the news.

 
 

(ahem, Whale Chowder)

That was my other guess.

 
 

T&U, I forgot to answer your question: yes, dear, of course you can still hate her.

Yay!

Geez, it’s not like she doesn’t give you a shiny new reason every day…

 
 

Media needs to get bang for its buck, and sending a reporter to really dig into a good story requires a massive advanced of cash with no guarantee that a story is going to pan out and provide the kind of news that makes advertisers salivate.

Greta van Susteren had her six month paid vacation to Aruba already. She’s not going to be too excited about haeding to the Gulf’s oil soaked beaches after that. Also if there were young white girls covered in the oil that might help. I know I’d be interested in web site, newsletter etc.

 
 

I know I’d be interested in web site, newsletter etc.

Of course (NSFW, partly)

 
 

Okay, I stand corrected re. an assertion that I made in the Randroid Paul thread. Via Balloon Juice, regarding a speech President Calderon gave about U.S. guns ending up in Mexican hands:

“I have great respect for President Calderon, but he really shouldn’t turn this into an opportunity to tell us we should change our laws,” Cornyn said. He said that the Second Amendment, which gives Americans the right to bear arms, wasn’t a subject for diplomatic discussions.

Even Republican xenophobia isn’t strong enough to make them back off from their 2nd Amendment fanaticism. And that’s tied for “dumbest thing I’ve read so far this afternoon” with another painfully stupid comment from Cornyn on the subject of Randroid Paul capering around on Maddow’s show in his clown makeup:

Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said Maddow’s inquiry was a “gotcha question.” “If I’m walking down the street minding my own business and somebody sticks a microphone under my nose about a law that was passed 40 years ago, without more detail — I think it probably caught him a little bit by surprise,” Cornyn said in Paul’s defense.

I’m having trouble deciding which is the bigger FAIL here; that Cornyn can compare sitting down for an interview with one of the few people known for asking tough questions to be equivalent to having a wild camera team jump out at you from the tall grass, or that he’s talking about the Civil Rights Act as if it was some obscure, never-referenced piece of legislation from the 18th century that a candidate for the Senate could be forgiven for being unfamiliar with.

 
 

Totally unrelated to anything else: for those who haven’t seen it yet, today’s Pac-Man Google doodle is actually playable–complete with the arcade sounds.

 
 

Martian Buddy said,

COOL!

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said Maddow’s inquiry was a “gotcha question.”

Are they just trying to paint themselves to be as fucking stupid as possible?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Totally unrelated to anything else: for those who haven’t seen it yet, today’s Pac-Man Google doodle is actually playable–complete with the arcade sounds.

It’s also much easier to play!

 
 

Are they just trying to paint themselves to be as fucking stupid as possible?

Well, look at who they’re courting.

Actually, Cornyn strikes me as one of the more intellectually disposed Republicans I’ve heard. Still an idiot, tho.

 
 

“If I’m walking down the street minding my own business and somebody sticks a microphone under my nose about a law that was passed 40 years ago, without more detail — I think it probably caught him a little bit by surprise,”

The interview with Maddow was arranged ahead of time, If Paul didn’t think Maddow was going to ask about the Civil Liberties Act then that would only mean that he is a complete moron. Paul obviously went on the show to “clear up” his position. Often refered to as backtracking. Maddow pushed him to give details he really didn’t want to share. This all also goes to show that Cornyn is a moron.

 
 

It’s also much easier to play!

Sorry. I’m old enough to remember the joystick version in the arcades, and for my money, jerking the stick around¹ beats trying to diddle the digits²
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¹ VPR

²V….oh, who am I kidding? I went for the obvious.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Well, look at who they’re courting.

I don’t get it. The only thing dumber than being dumb is being dumb and expecting the people who “lead” you to be just like you.

 
 

I’m not having much luck clearing the first level, though; clearly more coffee is required.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Sorry. I’m old enough to remember the joystick version in the arcades, and for my money, jerking the stick around¹ beats trying to diddle the digits²

I had about 8 permutations of this, but decided to go for the clean version because I couldn’t choose.

I’ve probably played with more joysticks than the average person my age; we had an Atari. They’re just so difficult to control…

 
 

“Are they just trying to paint themselves to be as fucking stupid as possible?”

What part of “He has to win votes in TEXAS” do you not understand?

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

What part of “He has to win votes in TEXAS” do you not understand?

Sorry, sometimes I forget about the stubborn anti-intellectual stupidity of a large portion of the American electorate.

It’s too bad these assholes weren’t around during my undergrad years, because if I had known that saying something was a “gotcha question” excused you from not knowing the answer, I would have done a lot, lot better in my geology class.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Hey, if you hit “insert coin” twice, you get a two-player game!

 
 

I don’t get it. The only thing dumber than being dumb is being dumb and expecting the people who “lead” you to be just like you.

It’s the Dunning-Kruger effect in action; conservatism can’t possibly be wrong, so Maddow must have employed some dastardly liberal lesbian trick to make him look bad.

 
 

And now, Rand is apparently flip-flopping on his principles. But, not to fear, Harry Reems, er, John Stossel, has his back.

 
 

Oops, reading comprehension FAIL there; it was the shambling horde of wingnut borg drones you were talking about. Same basic principle, though.

 
 

Also, I’ve got an important appointment with a Spanish galleon next month in the Keys

Stay thirsty, my friend.

 
 

At least he didn’t mention her “scowling.” Of course, the comments touched on her “pissy face” and “nasty ‘I hate you peasants!’ expression.”

If there’s anything more pathetic than a racist, it’s a racist who dances around racial insults.

 
 

There was a great quote from the Randroid:

“When does my honeymoon period start? I had a big victory,” Paul told George Stephanopoulos on “Good Morning America” today. “I’ve just been trashed up and down and they have been saying things that are untrue.”

I just love the petulance on display there. “People are asking me tough questions instead of lobbing me softballs! BAWWWW!” I wonder how many days it will be before his campaign institutes a Palin-esque ban on unscripted interviews.

 
 

“On the other hand…topside in the Keys is going to soften the blow a bit”

Ah. The smell of unrefined petro in the morning….

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I just love the petulance on display there. “People are asking me tough questions instead of lobbing me softballs! BAWWWW!” I wonder how many days it will be before his campaign institutes a Palin-esque ban on unscripted interviews.

God, what a bunch of pussies.

 
 

I wonder how many days it will be before his campaign institutes a Palin-esque ban on unscripted interviews.

I would assume by 1:30 PM EDT.

 
 

stubborn anti-intellectual stupidity

I like the term “willful ignorance”.

 
 

I just love the petulance on display there.

It’ll get worse (or, from our perspective, better). Say what you will about Palin, but she’s a political pro, even with only minor-league experience. This guy is a rank amateur and is finding out that politics ain’t beanbag.

 
 

If there’s anything more pathetic than a racist, it’s a racist who dances around racial insults.

And they’re so virtuous in their non-racism.

 
 

I’m no fashionista, to say the least – but I do have some marginal sense of esthetics & a pair of working retinas.

Michelle Obama knows how to rock an ensemble. Even if she wasn’t a FLILF, the sheer class of both her wardrobes & her demeanor would bump her Hawtness Factor up a notch or two.

Kevin Dujan looks like he belongs in front of a liquor-store playing “Stairway To Heaven” on a poorly-tuned ukelele with 37 cents in a Styrofoam cup. Saying he looks like he gets his wardrobes from trashcans is an injustice … to the many perfectly wholesome outfits that can be found in trashcans.

 
 

It’ll get worse (or, from our perspective, better). Say what you will about Palin, but she’s a political pro, even with only minor-league experience. This guy is a rank amateur and is finding out that politics ain’t beanbag.

I’m starting to wonder if he might actually melt down badly enough to cost his dad his Senate seat as well by virtue of the associative property of crazy.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I’m starting to wonder if he might actually melt down badly enough to cost his dad his Senate seat as well by virtue of the associative property of crazy.

EEEEEEEE that would be so great! I would have a party!

 
 

@ Daize:

1. Thank you!
2. google “Hillbuzz What’s wrong with Michelle?” to see many, many examples of typical Hillbuzzery, esp. the first.

 
 

Daize said,
May 21, 2010 at 18:59

“If there’s anything more pathetic than a racist, it’s a racist who dances around racial insults.”

I dunno. Is this Danny Boy comment less pathetic?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/05/the-rand-paul-circus-begins.html

“And spare me the whining over principles. The vast majority of voters don’t take the time to consider these issues that deeply. And nothing Paul supporters say or do is going to change that. The Constitutional battle was fifty years ago. It was lost.”

 
 

It was lost.”

Interesting perspective there boyo. I assume Dan is staying off trains in big cities, still.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Instead of driving through a snowstorm to dive in a quarry in Pennsylvania in November, we hopped on a plain to go get our certs at Key West. For obvious reasons we vacationed there many times. If you were planning the dive I’m thinking of, you’re not missing any stupendous though it’s a very good dive.

Also, I cant get an ipad as I would feel too much like a fanboi.

 
Marion in Savannah
 

God, what a bunch of pussies.

You may regret insulting my cats. I’ve got two who are perfectly capable of tearing your face off if breakfast is late…

 
 

Mrs. P,

Favreau told the internet it’s your birthday. Your hope enforcement efforts have not gone unnoticed.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Paul pere is a mere congesscritter, not a Sen.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

FYiPhone

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

You may regret insulting my cats. I’ve got two who are perfectly capable of tearing your face off if breakfast is late…

I wasn’t insulting your cats, I was insulting my cats. One of whom won’t stop pooping on the floor and peeing in our gardening containers.

 
 

Anon, are you trying to kill me? I was right in the middle of drinking my coffee when I saw this:

The media is hysterically attacking Rand (they [sic.] way they would never attack McConnell) because he represents a force that actually threatens them and their power. And they know it.

*snortBWAHAHAchokesputterwheeze*

*cough cough cough*

“A conservative” has mistaken the feeding behavior of the media–remorselessly pulling down a weak member of the GOP herd–for fear.

 
Marion in Savannah
 

I wasn’t insulting your cats, I was insulting my cats. One of whom won’t stop pooping on the floor and peeing in our gardening containers.

Oh, I do sympathize. I’ve had my share of them too. The fact that I don’t have small furry bathmats speaks to my extreme forbearance. I wish I had a solution to offer, but, sadly, no.

 
 

You know what, you guys? I hate to be impolite, but I’m starting to get the idea that this Rand dude, is a little bit dumb. Perhaps I’m judging him too harshly. Hmmmm…

No, I’m going to go with yes. He’s a Sarah Palin level bullethead.

 
 

Where did that comma, come, from? FYWP? FYchemicallydamagedbrain?

I have a hangover. I’m feeling…not good.

 
 

Paul pere is a mere congesscritter, not a Sen.

Right. He is, however, every bit the SuperGenius that his cub is.

 
 

I’ve probably played with more joysticks than the average person my age

Why do you think I’m vaguely interested in you?

 
 

and I show up just in time for a brokeass thread. Whatchu wanna bet I’ll be advised to “slow down. You’re posting too quicly”

They should change that to “DERRRRR I caNT Do it–derrrrRRRR”

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Oh, I do sympathize. I’ve had my share of them too.

He just started doing that. I think he and the other cat are engaged in some sort of territorial shit that we can’t see. I did see that our female cat was deliberately peeing in both boxes the other day. That could be part of it.

No, I’m going to go with yes. He’s a Sarah Palin level bullethead.

Yeah, I saw this. My favorite is, “Well, accidents happen!”

 
 

Ah. The smell of unrefined petro in the morning….

You’ve had brunch at Hogsbreath, I see

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 


Why do you think I’m vaguely interested in you?

“Vaguely”? Don’t be coy.

 
 

Kevin Dujan looks like he belongs in front of a liquor-store playing “Stairway To Heaven” on a poorly-tuned ukelele with 37 cents in a Styrofoam cup

36 of which he put in himself. The last penny was a tip for the blow job.

 
 

“Vaguely”? Don’t be coy.

You’re married. The only home I wreck is my own.

Unless, you know, you’re practically out the door already. In which case I have a good lawyer who can defend me as as co-respondent.

 
 

If you were planning the dive I’m thinking of, you’re not missing any stupendous though it’s a very good dive.

I’ve dived Key West before. I wasn’t impressed. This is more about my money. I want to see what I’ve gotten into

 
 

Yeah, I saw this. My favorite is, “Well, accidents happen!”

I find it disturbingly hilarious yet nauseating that these dumbfucks thought that criticizing Bush was unamerican. Criticizing Obama, very American. Obama criticizing BP for spilling millions of gallons of ***the precious*** all over the Gulf, unamerican.

Figure it the fuck out, assholes. I don’t speak sanctimony.

English, motherfucker, you speak it?

 
 

Have you all heard about those studies that say that conservatives are happier than liberals? I’ve never challenged that. It always made perfect sense to me. Because I think being delusional…and never thinking too hard about anything would insulate you from a lot of inner-turmoil. I was just reminded of that, reading through everybody’s mango-nuggets.

 
 

In which case I have a good lawyer who can defend me as as co-respondent.

I find your knowledge of the process disturbing.

 
 

I find your knowledge of the process disturbing.

Y’know, my college tutor said that to me about sex in freshman year…

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

You’re married. The only home I wreck is my own.

Yeah, well, that does pose a bit of a problem.

Unless, you know, you’re practically out the door already. In which case I have a good lawyer who can defend me as as co-respondent.

No, thank you, though. You sound like you’ve had experience with this before…

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I find it disturbingly hilarious yet nauseating that these dumbfucks thought that criticizing Bush was unamerican. Criticizing Obama, very American. Obama criticizing BP for spilling millions of gallons of ***the precious*** all over the Gulf, unamerican

I really do wonder if they live in an alternate universe in which the laws of logic do not apply…

 
 

Have you all heard about those studies that say that conservatives are happier than liberals?

I don’t believe it, personally. A conservative is too fucking stupid to even measure what happiness is. I think they’re just cranky fucking malcontented haters.

I realize their ignorance brings bliss, but it’s a short term euphoric high. It’s very addictive as well.

Continually pining for the good old days, when the crackers owned everything, and kids weren’t so goddamned disrespectful, ya know what happened to us if we acted like that? you goddam kids don’t know how good you have it, you’re all lazy….GET OFF MY LAWN!

 
 

You sound like you’ve had experience with this before…

Any man my age who has not is either lying or a wimp.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Because I think being delusional…and never thinking too hard about anything would insulate you from a lot of inner-turmoil.

I’ve always thought that, too. Their ideology makes everything so easy…all their moral decisions and political opinions are outsourced and definite.

 
 

Any man my age who has not is either lying or a wimp.

Guilty.

 
 

Paul pere is a mere congesscritter, not a Sen.

Oops. I can still dream about his district wising up, though.

 
 

Ok, I think it depends on which conservative is the study subject–the oppressor or the tool;

Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, any fuckfaced oil/energy/defense tycoon? Veeerrrrryyyy happy.

That douchebag with the busticated truck and a whole bunch of cleverly worded **snicker** bumper stickers, giving all of “those people” the stinkeye as he passes by, not so happy…

 
 

Any man my age who has not is either lying or a wimp.

Guilty

Well, except you of course. Unless you’re saying you’re lying, in which case, we gotta go out. I need a new wing man.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

That douchebag with the busticated truck and a whole bunch of cleverly worded **snicker** bumper stickers, giving all of “those people” the stinkeye as he passes by, not so happy…

Yeah, but he comforts himself in thinking that one day he will be one of the oppressors.

 
Marion in Savannah
 

T&U —

Ah… If your girl cat is doing that this stuff may be of help. I can’t speak from experience, but I have heard folks say it helps.

 
 

tsam, fair enough. Maybe deep down their miserable. Who knows.

T&U, see, I always thought viewing everything in childlike, black and white terms (which is how conservatives proudly view everything) would just make things so much easier.

 
 

Most cats I’ve run across do nothing in the presence of Feliway.

 
 

they’re. UGH!!!!!!

 
 

I really do wonder if they live in an alternate universe in which the laws of logic do not apply…

No, they walk among us, dragging their hairy fucking knuckles. The men aren’t so handsome, either.

They’re just trying to replace all that sissy college perfesser crap with good ol’fashioned common sense.

 
 

I bet cats are happiest, believing–nay, KNOWING–they are the Masters of the Universe. Plus, all the sleeping…

 
 

Yeah, but he comforts himself in thinking that one day he will be one of the oppressors.

If they’d just cut his taxes on that $23,000/year wages, he’d get there soon! All by hisself too. don’t need no godam govment handouts!

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Ah… If your girl cat is doing that this stuff may be of help. I can’t speak from experience, but I have heard folks say it helps.

It’s weird, though, because we’ve had both of them for 6 years. They’ve never really gotten along, but this is the first time he’s done anything like this.

No, they walk among us, dragging their hairy fucking knuckles.

I find it much more comforting to think that they live in an alternate universe but are somehow able to exist alongside us. It’s the only real explanation I can come up with without being terribly depressed.

 
 

OTOH, I wonder stuff like: Isn’t it hard to be a racist because you have to expend so much energy doing something hateful and soul-destroying? Because that has to take a toll in the long run.

 
 

mmmmmm, UGH.

 
 

I bet cats are happiest, believing–nay, KNOWING–they are the Masters of the Universe.

I’ve loved every cat I have ever known and treated every one like an Egyptian god(dess).

Even the human ones.

 
 

Sorry. I’m old enough to remember the joystick version in the arcades,

So am I– but I was always more partial to pinball. (Also Centipede. Trackballs were kind of an odd controller, weren’t they?)

 
 

T&U,

What other symptoms is/are your cats exhibiting, besides not getting along?

 
 

I bet cats are happiest, believing–nay, KNOWING–they are the Masters of the Universe. Plus, all the sleeping…

But then I wonder…what about racist cats?

 
Marion in Savannah
 

Most cats I’ve run across do nothing in the presence of Feliway.

Nothing as in it has no effect on bad behavior? I’m sort of tempted to try it because our little girl cat hisses at our younger male and he’s been known to ambush her, with attendant howling and commotion. However, as I understand it I’d have to have those diffusers all around the house and that stuff ain’t cheap. Have you tried it?

 
 

actor, I’m being totally serious when I say: Want to find a good man? Watch how he treats his cat (or dog). It says A LOT. Also men who fancy cats are hot. Period.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I bet cats are happiest, believing–nay, KNOWING–they are the Masters of the Universe. Plus, all the sleeping…

Aside from the box-pooping and the, you know, part-removing, I think it would be fucking awesome to be a housecat.

 
 

tsam, I’m struggling like hell to come up with some vadge-related acronym for UGH and I just can’t. CAN’T!

 
Marion in Savannah
 

No, they walk among us, dragging their hairy fucking knuckles. The men aren’t so handsome, either.

This caught drinking coffee. Where should I send the bill for my new keyboard?

 
 

I’m sort of tempted to try it because our little girl cat hisses at our younger male and he’s been known to ambush her, with attendant howling and commotion.

My little feller was eating his fur. It didn’t stop him. Feliway claims to calm down all cats. It clearly didn’t work. If anything, it may have irritated him more, since he stopped climbing up on the bed next to me and cuddling.

What did work was giving him a nightly massage and playing with him more.

 
 

OTOH, I wonder stuff like: Isn’t it hard to be a racist because you have to expend so much energy doing something hateful and soul-destroying? Because that has to take a toll in the long run.

Oh you have got to be right about that. I really think the fear in which they live–immigrants, blacks, democrats, abortions, hell, muslims, art, literature, a (gasp!) naked body, education–this is the short list.

It’s got to be stressful, trying to focus on all this shit all the time.

 
Marion in Savannah
 

Damn. This caught ME drinking coffee. See? It’s not my typing at all. The keyboard is totally ruint.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

T&U,

What other symptoms is/are your cats exhibiting, besides not getting along?

It depends on what you want to call “symptoms.” They’re both fucking weird. Our girlcat is pretty much the same, but Desmond, as I said, has been pooping and peeing in inappropriate places. He’s also been behaving a little oddly. I thought maybe he was sick, but I really do think it’s a behavioral thing. We’re going to put in another litter box and see if that helps.

 
 

VS,

I’ve had cats all my life. I suppose if I grew up in the country, I’d probably have dogs, either only or in addition. But in an apartment, I felt it would be unfair to a dog to lock him in. Cats don’t seem to mind as much, altho I’ve usually let my cats wander around eventually.

So cats have been my companions thru thick and thin.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Nothing as in it has no effect on bad behavior? I’m sort of tempted to try it because our little girl cat hisses at our younger male and he’s been known to ambush her, with attendant howling and commotion

Oh, hey, that sounds familiar. Only our girl cat will deliberately get up in his shit and irritate him until he attacks her.

 
 

BTW, since the newest thread is barely moving along I asked everybody what their favorite cover songs are..if anyone cares to check it out and answer. So far, no takers.

 
 

Desmond, as I said, has been pooping and peeing in inappropriate places.

I’d need a lot more info than you could possibly post here, but what’s changed? Cats are very finicky. I had a cat who would poop and pee anywhere his little heart desired whenever he had to leave the house, which was a bitch when I would go to the country nearly weekly.

Nothing like cleaning out a car of cat crap on a blistering cold winter’s day halfway down a lonely country road, especially when he’d roll around in it.

 
 

actor, cats are so lovely and mysterious and adorable. Course I couldn’t imagine life without my two goggies, too.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I’d need a lot more info than you could possibly post here, but what’s changed?

That’s the thing! Nothing has changed. Seriously. I cannot think of a single thing. I mean, he’s normally a neurotic little fucker and hates it when people visit, but this is totally new.

 
 

cats are so lovely and mysterious and adorable

They are my role models.

 
 

I mean, he’s normally a neurotic little fucker and hates it when people visit, but this is totally new.

Think hard. It could even be something outside, like a smell or a noise.

 
Marion in Savannah
 

Well, VS, I’ll bet this crowd would be all over the names you should never hyphenate after marriage, like Ball-Holder… That may entice them to the new thread.

 
 

So far, no takers.

I….bit.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

cats are so lovely and mysterious and adorable. Course I couldn’t imagine life without my two goggies, too.

I love cats. I think it’s required for librarians? I like dogs, but I don’t think I would ever have one of my own, at least if I lived by myself. They’re sweet, but they’re almost *too* sweet. And they’re more work than cats, and I am lazy.

 
 

I’ll bet this crowd would be all over the names you should never hyphenate after marriage

You might want to look at this

 
 

And they’re more work than cats, and I am lazy.

I like that cats have moods. A dog, unless itt’s ill or psychotic, will always sit at your feet and get all clingy. A cat lets you know when it wants you and mine even responds to my moods.

When my dad died, my cat climbed up on my lap and just sat there. Now, this is not a lap cat by any means. The closest he’ll come is to let me pet him while he’s lying down, and sometimes if he’s sleeping, I can carry him over to where I’m sitting, but about the only time he’ll get on my lap normally is when I’m trying to type on my puter at home. Then he’s in my face.

Except that one day.

 
 

Yeah, I get that people think dogs are too clingy and friendly. I think that’s precisely their charm. 😉

 
 

Nah, that’s all backwards. Dogs exhibit so many different moods and personalities, and you can do a lot more with them. They grow with you. Cats are pretty much what they are. I’ve had both, and yeah, dogs are more work, but generally give a lot more. You can negotiate with a dog.

(got 3 dogs now, all mutts, all very spoiled. Would never own a cat again, if it were up to me.)

 
 

They are my role models.

Out with the House and in with the pussy.

 
 

I bet cats are happiest, believing–nay, KNOWING–they are the Masters of the Universe. Plus, all the sleeping…

Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cathulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.

Serve the Great Furred Ones well and you may be spared the horror that is to come when Cathulhu awakens.

 
 

Out with the House and in with the pussy

They share much in common.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Think hard. It could even be something outside, like a smell or a noise.

I really cannot think of anything, except that it’s been raining a lot. Nobody new has moved in, they’re not working on anything outside, and I haven’t seen any new dogs around. I don’t know. He did pee on my rainboots, though.

 
 

I’ll confess that cats are non-negotiable.

Sounds like marriage.

 
 

Also, dogs have much cooler fiction written about them. What do cats have? Tailchaser’s Song? A cameo in a few Stephen King novels? “The Cat Who” novels repulse me.

 
 

Is he an outdoor cat?

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

This is my favorite Whitney Houston video… a true classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMdXi6f5KRg

Oo la la!

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Yeah, I get that people think dogs are too clingy and friendly. I think that’s precisely their charm. 😉

I think it’s awesome, and I love how happy they are, but I have a hard time handling that constantly. Though I need more “leave me the hell alone” time than the average person, I think.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Is he an outdoor cat?

Nope. We have a screened-in porch we let them out on.The doors have been closed a little more lately because of the rain, but it’s no worse than this past shitshow of a winter.

 
 

Any man my age who has not is either lying or a wimp.

You’ve always got a choice. I don’t think its making the right choice that makes you a wimp.

 
 

Have you had a vet look at him? Cuz it could be that he hasn’t been able to get out on the porch…and don’t sell a cat short, I’ve let my cats out on a screen porch in subzero temps…or it could even be a mold allergy.

 
 

You’ve always got a choice. I don’t think its making the right choice that makes you a wimp.

I was being hyperbolic. I thought that was clear.

 
 

Substance McGravitas said,

May 21, 2010 at 21:02

You Could Have Been a Lady

Dude! Wrong thread!

 
Marion in Savannah
 

What do cats have?

Read Tobermory by Saki.

 
 

Marion,

I will have to check that out, but for me, this is cat literature

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

Have you had a vet look at him?

No, I think we need to, though. Allergies aren’t out of the realm of possibility, especially since he’s always licking plastic and it looks like he’s trying to scratch his mouth with it.

It could be worse. We basically had to replace all the trim around one of our doors in our old apartment because he would run up to the top of the door, and then slide down. I have no idea why he stopped doing it here, but I’m glad.

 
 

We basically had to replace all the trim around one of our doors in our old apartment because he would run up to the top of the door, and then slide down.

I love cats.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

I love cats.

I know, right? The little fucker.

His favorite thing to do as a kitten was to hang out in the doorway of the bedroom and attack your feet and legs VICIOUSLY when you got up to go to the bathroom. He was a total dick to me most of his life–he’s just calmed down in the last couple of years. I couldn’t even walk by him without getting clawed most of the time. Still, I’m going to miss that little bastard when he’s gone.

 
Marion in Savannah
 

I will have to check that out, but for me, this is cat literature.

I love that too. Makes me howl every time. That linky above will take you straight to the short story. It’s not long, and I think you’ll get a chuckle out of it.

 
 

What do cats have?

Accelerando.

Okay, technically it’s a robot cat, but close counts when it actually uses the litterbox, right?

 
 

It’s not long, and I think you’ll get a chuckle out of it.

I read it. Jane Austen for cats.

 
 

Any man my age who has not is either lying or a wimp.

Hm. Guess I’m a wimp then.

I can live with that.

 
 

Guess I’m a wimp then

And yet, you brave DKWs mom…

 
Marion in Savannah
 

Jane Austen for cats.

Ah, my dreadful secret is revealed… I’m a Jane Austen fan.

 
 

So, what does it say about me that I am totally uninterested in dogs, cats, or pets in general?

 
 

So, what does it say about me that I am totally uninterested in dogs, cats, or pets in general?

Nothing, unless you’re getting on cases because we’re talking about them. In which case, feel free to post a topic and I bet we’ll jump on that, too. It’s been quiet all day. The convo drifted here.

 
 

So, what does it say about me that I am totally uninterested in dogs, cats, or pets in general?

Not a whole lot. I know lots of plenty cool, nice people who just aren’t that into pets.

Although I will stand by the fact I think that if a dude is loving and nurturing with pets, he probably is with other things, as well.

 
 

No, not getting in anyone’s face, I was just curious. I just figure they are another complication when you are taking a week’s vacation.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

So, what does it say about me that I am totally uninterested in dogs, cats, or pets in general?

Why do you hate America?

 
 

No, not getting in anyone’s face, I was just curious. I just figure they are another complication when you are taking a week’s vacation.

In my case, they’re a complication when their owners take a vacation.

 
 

Although I will stand by the fact I think that if a dude is loving and nurturing with pets, he probably is with other things, as well.

I treat all pussies well, even the stray ones. And I mean the ones on two legs.

 
 

Why do you hate America?
Leonard Cohen said it best. :
“I love the country I just can’t stand the scene”

 
 

I just figure they are another complication when you are taking a week’s vacation.

Absolutely. Hell, they’re a complication when you sleep over. But then so is laundry, cleaning, food shopping, sleeping…

 
 

““A conservative” has mistaken the feeding behavior of the media–remorselessly pulling down a weak member of the GOP herd–for fear.”

Check out PJTV’s attempt at damage control (from the CEO in person) of his Civil Rights Act gaffe (http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2010/05/20/the-stupidity-of-rand-paul-is-the-stupidity-of-ideologues/). While admitting that the Civil Rights Act was, of course, unconstitutional, he calls Rand Paul “stupid” and is furious that he would say something like that in public when he knew the liberal media would use it to call him racist.

Trouble with this narrative is that they’ve never cared if the liberal media calls them racist before, nor have they ever called a conservative leader out on racist or potentially racist language (and they’ve had a lot of opportunities) before. I suspect their sudden objection to Rand Paul has little to do with his racism and a lot more to do with his positions on Iraq, the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretapping.

 
 

Moar Paultardery:

Justin Elliott reports on Rand Paul campaigning in Montana back in 2008 against the mythical “NAFTA Superhighway” and the “Amero”, the mythical NAFTA currency.

I hope SNL has their impersonator picked out; there’s a rich vein of wingnut lulz to mine.

 
 

I think it’ll be Jason Sudekis.

 
 

OT–

Now the stupid irritating fuckface in my office who likes to fucking whistle (possibly the most irritating little attention whore habit one could use to make his coworkers miserable), but he’s now taken to snapping his stupid fingers to his own shitty whistling! I didn’t know it could get worse.

 
 

Actual Breaking News! Can we call it terrorism now?

“It’s beginning to emerge that the two men who shot and killed two police officers and wounded two more before being killed themselves in West Memphis, Arkansas, on Thursday were probably white supremacists from a small operation in southern Ohio.” (snip)
“Jerry Kane, 45, of Ohio and his 16-year-old son, Joseph.”

http://crooksandliars.com/node/37213

I did a google search and came up with this for “Jerry Kane” the alleged killer. A Youtube video which may be them and an article by a Jerry A. Kane (wonder if it is the same guy) from guess where.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJR4w3DjG8

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/lessons_from_barney_no_more_wa.html

 
 

I did a google search and came up with this for “Jerry Kane” the alleged killer

So, like Son of Sam, he heard a dog’s voice and obeyed its commands?

 
 

Actual Breaking News! Can we call it terrorism now?

Nah, don’t talk like that, man. They’re just disgruntled.

 
 

AK local news is on it and point out the crazy.

“In a video posted to YouTube, Jerry and Joe Kane can been seen at one of their seminars. They would teach that all debt contracts are the responsibility of the U.S. government, not the debt-holders because, they teach, American currency really doesn’t exist.”

http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12521732

 
 

Actual Breaking News! Can we call it terrorism now?

Nah, don’t talk like that, man. They’re just disgruntled.


Yeah, and with all of the oppressive laws that police enforce (on white people), you just have to expect these kinds of things to happen. It is really the democrats fault for passing laws in the first place.

 
 

I love how these folks, who live their lives in fear of a paranoid government crackdown, go ahead and do the sort of things that make a paranoid government crackdown seem like a good idea.

 
 

This is posted on his website masthead now.

“Jerry Kane and his beautiful son Joe (age 16) were shot down by law enforcement on Thursday May 20th, 2010 while enroute back to their home in Florda.”

I wonder if all those peple who paid for their seminar for next Friday will get a refund now. Heh.

 
 

Nah, don’t talk like that, man. They’re just disgruntled.

They’re pinin’ for the fjords!

 
 

Yes, vacuumslayer, that blue gown was stunning. The red gown she wore at the White House Correspondent’s dinner was purrrrfect. Saw a picture of Hilary the other day in one of those pant suits that makes her look like she’s showing rentals in the flatlands, but what the hell? She’s Secretary of State. She’s a powerful woman.

 
 

Rand’s brain aint dead, its just pinin’ for the fjords!

fixored

 
 

Trouble with this narrative is that they’ve never cared if the liberal media calls them racist before, nor have they ever called a conservative leader out on racist or potentially racist language (and they’ve had a lot of opportunities) before. I suspect their sudden objection to Rand Paul has little to do with his racism and a lot more to do with his positions on Iraq, the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretapping.

It could be. On the other hand, they’ve never been quite so close to the edge of irrelevance before–and now they’re imagining how often they’ll be hearing the phrase “Do you agree with Rand Paul that …?” on the campaign trail. I think a lot of it is just exasperation that he’s apparently too clueless to use the dog whistles.

Regardless, it’s going to make this election year–well, interesting, I guess. I can’t quite bring myself to take pleasure in their self-inflicted wounds when they’re going to be spewing a lot of ugly, hateful crap in the process.

 
 

“Do you agree with Rand Paul that …?”

How would like to have to answer yes to a question like “Do you think that illegal wiretapping is illegal?”

And yeah, not really buying off on the half-assed concern trolling by the Repukes. It smells of hypocracy, and it’s really hard to get that out of the carpet.

 
 

Regardless, it’s going to make this election year–well, interesting, I guess. I can’t quite bring myself to take pleasure in their self-inflicted wounds when they’re going to be spewing a lot of ugly, hateful crap in the process.

Those republicans worked hard to help the “liberal” media neuter health care reform and essentially created the Tea Party, which all culminated in Sean Fucking Hannity calling them a crowd of Timothy McVeighs, in a very approving tone.

I will be standing there with a bucket of pickle juice to pour into those wounds, which seem to be developing an infection these days.

 
Johnny Coelacanth
 

I got out of the boat. No mangoes, but something truly stomach turning:

“Well, our favorite pizza place in Boystown is closing soon, so tonight we’re going to have our last sausage-and-marshmallow After School Special pizza.

The name of the closing restaurant is, of course, ‘Pie Hole.’ I’m sure it’ll always be the glory hole to that boring gay dipshit.

 
 

I suspect their sudden objection to Rand Paul has little to do with his racism and a lot more to do with his positions on Iraq…

See: Buchanan, Pat

 
 

Looks like the media avoidance strategy has been put into place already. We all know how dangerous the set of “Meet the Press” is, what with the ambush parties of camera-wielding dirty fuckin’ hippies and all.

 
 

The true essence of the Republican Party on a postcard.
http://bluntcard.com/compose.php?imageid=485

 
 

Rand Paul is a sniveling imperious simp. It’s unfortunate that anything he has to say is a valid topic for political conversation. So many overgrown toddlers running for office, harumph.

 
 

Regardless, it’s going to make this election year–well, interesting, I guess. I can’t quite bring myself to take pleasure in their self-inflicted wounds when they’re going to be spewing a lot of ugly, hateful crap in the process.

Neither can I, because there are just enough people who love the ugly hateful crap + other people who listen to them politely and attentively as if they were just another respectable point of view that they could very well pull it off.

Rand Paul is a sniveling imperious simp. It’s unfortunate that anything he has to say is a valid topic for political conversation. So many overgrown toddlers running for office, harumph.

A sniveling imperious imp who’s still better than the mainstream of his own party by at least three topics (Iraq, Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping). That’s the scary part – the mainstream of the conservatives is actually crazier than their so-called kooks.

 
 

Sooo…

Has anyone successfully trolled Pillfuzz’s comments today?

I tried, but I couldn’t resist a reference to “The Magician’s Nephew”… so it will probably be deleted.

 
 

Holy Fucking Shit, gocart:

Police: Ohio man, son killed Ark. officers

By CHUCK BARTELS and KELLY P. KISSEL (AP) – 54 minutes ago

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — An anti-government Ohio man who had several run-ins with police around the U.S. was identified Friday as one of two people who allegedly gunned down two officers during a traffic stop in Arkansas.

Arkansas State Police on Friday identified the pair — killed during an exchange of gunfire with law enforcement officers — as Jerry R. Kane Jr., 45, of Forest, Ohio, and his son, Joesph T. Kane, believed to be 16.

This shit reminds me of the good old days when I read Housing Bubble Blog daily. FREAKS and GEEKS. (Not to be confused with “nerds”.)

 
 

More from AP:

Clark County, Ohio, Sheriff Gene Kelly told The Associated Press on Friday that he had issued a warning to officers on July 21, 2004, about Kane, saying he might be dangerous to law enforcement.[…]

Kelly said Kane had complained in July 2004 about being sentenced to six days of community service for driving with an expired license plate and no seat belt, saying the judge had tried to “enslave” him. Kelly said Kane added that he was a “free man” and asked for $100,000 per day in gold or silver.

“After listening to this man for almost 30 minutes, I feel that he is expecting and prepared for confrontations with any law enforcement officer that may come in contact with him,” Kelly wrote in his warning to officers.[…]

Members of so-called patriot groups don’t recognize the authority of the U.S. government and consider themselves sovereign citizens.

JJ MacNab, a Maryland-based insurance analyst who has testified before Congress on tax and financial scams, said she had been tracking Kane for about two years and that his business centered on debt-avoidance scams.

Potok said such scams are common in the sovereign citizen movement.

“He basically promised them they would never have to repay their mortgage or credit card debt,” MacNab said.

They’ve gone Galt!

Oh, wait–

 
 

http://news.spreadit.org/michelle-obama-state-dinner-dress/

Time to check Pillbuzz’s gay card, because Michelle looks stunning. And it’s a state dinner. I can’t believe he questions the appropriateness of a dinner gown at a state dinner. Would you wear a dress suit to pitch a baseball game?

Confidential to Barry: no more bowties. They don’t suit you. Srsly.

 
 

“Confidential to Barry: no more bowties. They don’t suit you. Srsly.”

This. It has an unintended Nation of Islam thing to it. I thought that was why he always wore a regular tie even with a tux.

 
 

From the Roger L Simon link:

Having already been exposed as ideologues themselves for accepting accusations of racism by members of the Black Caucus that were shown, thanks to Andrew Breitbart, to be completely unsubstantiated, they are undoubtedly looking for self-justification.

what? Beirtbart posted a video from a completely different part of that day, and that proves it? wtf, is being a wingnut pundit this easy, just lie about shit all day? No-one ever calls them on it, but I suppose they dont give a shit.

and btw, I’m opening a book on which sexual perversion breitbart will be brought down with, my money is on furrycide (10-11), but twin wetsuits (2-1), dildo short circuit (5-2) and spiky metal pole inserted too far up his arse (5-1) are all runners.

 
 

“I bet cats are happiest, believing–nay, KNOWING–they are the Masters of the Universe.”

(Deep from the depthy-depth darkness of his cage, Patrick, Avian-Dictator-Of-Earth, interrupts his peaceful slumber to snicker how his propaganda has misled humans as to the _real_ enemy they’ll never see coming…)

 
 

“His favorite thing to do as a kitten was to hang out in the doorway of the bedroom and attack your feet and legs VICIOUSLY when you got up to go to the bathroom.”

Urgh–one of my best friends had a cat who specialized in hiding under furniture and pouncing on unsuspecting folks’ heels when they came into the room carrying things. I never could figure out why my friend’s parents thought having every other room shag-carpeted was a good idea.

 
 

I’m down to one old dog with no back up: no cats, birds, fish, snakes, rodents, amphibians, or invertebrates. It’s conceivable that for the first time in memory I will be pet-less.

The only bodily fluids I will have to deal with will be my own or my date’s. I’ll have to take personal responsibility for all foul odors that occur, without the handy canine scapegoat, however.

As much as I like the company of a big dog (so few complications compared to human companions) it is a Utopian vision. I will be able to be as footloose and fancy free as my wallet allows. How do people with children bear it? I’d be forced to drown them in the tub.

 
 

OTOH, I wonder stuff like: Isn’t it hard to be a racist because you have to expend so much energy doing something hateful and soul-destroying? Because that has to take a toll in the long run.

Eh, racists usually are pretty ugly people, either that or perpetual losers. Or both. They tend to be strung out from paranoia, confrontational at work (leading to short job tenure), have frozen their face into a scowl, and are stupid even if they were originally smart.

I have met people who were prejudiced but tolerant, which meant they could hide the racism because they didn’t hate the people they were prejudiced against, they just chronically assumed off the bat they were less ‘whatever’. If an individual exceeded their expectations they were pleased (didn’t change their minds), not exercised. However, the paranoid/hate kind of racist burns up quick.

 
 

Continually pining for the good old days, when the crackers owned everything, and kids weren’t so goddamned disrespectful, ya know what happened to us if we acted like that?

But that’s the funny thing, what did the Crackers own? Generally, nothing (and many were sharecroppers) although there were some Crackers raising cattle and hogs in Old Florida before the advent of air conditioning. (They spent most of their days under shady trees, I can tell you that.)

In the Old South you could identify a person’s social caste by the church they attended.

 
 

MB

Continually pining for the good old days, when the crackers owned everything, and kids weren’t so goddamned disrespectful, ya know what happened to us if we acted like that?

Thanks for the tip. I did try it and it was cool but for some reason it caused the connection to drop on my circa 2004 Apple bluetooth keyboard. FRAG AT WILL!!!
(Seriously, listening to Jobs’ MacNote presentation, entering his Reality Distortion Zone™ and buying the wireless keyboard and mouse in 2004 was a serious misjudgment. I thought I would be able to put the keyboard in my lap, a la 80’s IBM. What is the adage, try before you buy? STUPID!! Oh yeah, I have a $14 Logitech USB mouse now, although I’m too cheap to replace the keyboard so I just feed it expensive batteries every 6 months. FYSJ.)

 
 

Oh, fuck me, that was supposed to be a copy paste about the Google doodle. Gah.

 
 

I don’t have the link handy, but there was one gay blogger who wrote a great post about how very, very sick he was of his straight female friends constantly asking him to go clothes shopping with them.

They can take me shopping with them! Just because I’m an FTM and my idea of clothes to wear out is covering my body with a burlap sack doesn’t mean I don’t have fashion sense. ;^D

 
 

Urgh–one of my best friends had a cat who specialized in hiding under furniture and pouncing on unsuspecting folks’ heels when they came into the room carrying things.

And the funny thing is, as the vicious creature sinks hir jaws into your exposed, tender ankle flesh, is that the cat thinks this is a great game.

 
 

I can say in all honesty that I would never have taken any pleasure in beating up on Laura Bush like this.

The most ridicule I recall Laura Bush getting was commenting on the irony of her campaign against illiteracy. She didn’t even get flack for the fact that her daughters were lushes because everyone just assumed it was the Bush drunk genes breeding true.

Now, she did get mocked thoroughly for the romance novel she published under her own name in the 1970’s, but … fair game, people, fair game.

Her appearance wasn’t really noteworthy in any way. But neither was Hilary Clinton’s circa 1992. I never did understand the constant harping about her hairstyles. Okay, I may have been 12 at the time, but who better than a 12 year old to know just what was mocking fodder at the time? If she wouldn’t have been teased in a middle school classroom, then … well, it just comes off as insecure men (and some women) grasping at straws.

 
 

I have met people who were prejudiced but tolerant, which meant they could hide the racism because they didn’t hate the people they were prejudiced against, they just chronically assumed off the bat they were less ‘whatever’.

Or because they know if they express their opinion out loud (in the wrong environment) they’ll get too much crap from the people around them and don’t want to deal with it. Now, if they think you’re either on their side or a kind, “tolerant,” understanding individual who won’t judge them for it, it’s a bit of a shocker how quickly they’ll bare their soul to you…

 
 

Now, if they think you’re either on their side or a kind, “tolerant,” understanding individual who won’t judge them for it, it’s a bit of a shocker how quickly they’ll bare their soul to you…

Yes, exactly.

And when I describe them as “tolerant” I mean in the sense of tolerating people they don’t much like, care for, or value, not tolerant in the sense of valuing others even if they aren’t part of your in-group.

Also, I’ve met more people in the North than in the South like this, mainly because Northerners who are prejudiced against Southerners rarely find this belief challenged but have it often confirmed. LOL. (Hint: nothing makes you look more like a stupid Yankee than getting drunk at a party somewhere beyond 200 mi from Boston and ranting about how stupid and racist country music fans are even though you don’t actually know shit about country music.)

 
 

Speaking of stupid Yankees, the Northern chauvinist in me thinks it’s really funny that the word “Yankee,” which means “Northerner” over here, means “American” everywhere else. Abraham Lincoln WIN.

As far as having Northern prejudices confirmed… It sometimes seems unfair to me that the South gets so much crap for what are really nationwide sins (e.g. racism – the inner cities up here are nothing to write home about either). But I just don’t see nearly as many people anywhere else in the country wearing that heritage as a badge of honor to the degree that the South does.

 
 

But I just don’t see nearly as many people anywhere else in the country wearing that heritage as a badge of honor to the degree that the South does.

c.f. Texas School Board.

 
 

@WC;

So I tried to watch the Mariners game last night and some baseball team stole their uniforms and smashed SD. The guy that stole Sweeney’s jersey hit 2 homers, 2 hits and 6 rbi’s. WTF?

Now, if they think you’re either on their side or a kind, “tolerant,” understanding individual who won’t judge them for it, it’s a bit of a shocker how quickly they’ll bare their soul to you…

This, people, is what turns mere bland existence into living! The more you live, the more you LIVE!

 
 

(Hint: nothing makes you look more like a stupid Yankee than getting drunk at a party somewhere beyond 200 mi from Boston and ranting about how stupid and racist country music fans are even though you don’t actually know shit about country music.)

Guilty. Please accept my apology!

 
 

tsam, yeah I watched the game. Noticed Griffey wasn’t playing (hmm…). It was fun to watch although I quit after the 15th run scored.

Never one to be satisfied with good fortune, I then watched the TiVo’d Frontline “The Wounded Platoon” which was pretty much as depressing as a typical Mariners game. Seriously everybody, you should watch it and see what the wars are doing to our soldiers.

 
 

Noticed Griffey wasn’t playing (hmm…).

Got his walk-off win for the year…?

I would watch things like that, but my emotional outbursts and screaming at the TV scare my daughters. I will likely make them watch it, though. I think too much shielding from the realities of war makes kids grow up buying into the Texas textbook version of nationalism exceptionalism and patriotism.

I find myself feeling like we’re living the live version of some Orwellian descent into a replay of the rise of fascism in Europe. Rewriting the history books, the weird, sickly attachment to a “fatherland” (the immigrant hate), the widely accepted idea that we’re entitled to everyone else’s milkshake. I’m trying not to be a little bitch about it, but this is fuckin scary.

 
 

I would watch things like that, but my emotional outbursts and screaming at the TV scare my daughters. I will likely make them watch it, though. I think too much shielding from the realities of war makes kids grow up buying into the Texas textbook version of nationalism exceptionalism and patriotism.

I blame the all-volunteer force. It’s militarily superior, but it’s not worth what it’s done to us as a country. War has become a flag-waving spectator sport, sanitized and sensationalized in the media, that only happens to far-off countries and maybe one or two friends you knew while growing up. Since it doesn’t have to pay any consequences, the public has become more and more prone to using the military to solve every problem.

Bring back the draft. I understand that wars are, in fact, necessary in some circumstances, but if society is going to decide to have one, society as a whole has to pay the price. This war = video game shit has to end.

I find myself feeling like we’re living the live version of some Orwellian descent into a replay of the rise of fascism in Europe. Rewriting the history books, the weird, sickly attachment to a “fatherland” (the immigrant hate), the widely accepted idea that we’re entitled to everyone else’s milkshake. I’m trying not to be a little bitch about it, but this is fuckin scary.

Me, too. The fact that so many Americans have the same relationship with war and the military that Europeans have with world soccer cups should scare the shit out of anyone. World Wars One and Two stand as grim testaments to what happens when those feelings are taken to their logical end.

 
 

As long as we’re talking about war and nationalism, here’s something that was spoken by a family member who fought in Vietnam (career military, three tours of duty there) to a sixth-grade classroom. The man died before I was born, to my very great regret, but we still have recordings and this part actually struck me so much that I wrote it down;

I once told a rioting bunch of college students that my personal and private thoughts on of the Vietnam War were that it was a dumb war. Those were the words I used; dumb war. That remark was printed in the Baltimore and Washington newspapers and I got a call from the Pentagon asking me to explain why I made that derogatory remark on the way I thought of the war. I answered the Pentagon spokesman, that if he picked any war in history and picked either side of that war, that I could prove that as a means of solving the problems of that country that it was a dumb war to that side. He said nothing, and I never heard any more about the incident. War is hell. War is also stupid and unnecessary. If we would only love ourselves and each other as God loves us, there would be no more wars. There wouldn’t even be rumors of wars.

Admittedly, you’ll still hear military spokesmen, apologists and cheerleaders invoke phrases like “war is hell” and “I wish it weren’t necessary.” But it’s almost always a cheap, perfunctory, ten-second soundbite, usually followed by an hour-long rant that completely contradicts it. At best, it’s some cynical version of “War is hell. Our troops have to live there. So support our troops! Give them more wars!”

But virtually no one in the public sphere is willing to talk about the enormous cost of waging a war (any war, no matter how necessary or unnecessary). Certainly no one’s willing to hold people accountable for its consequences. And as a result, no one talks about or hears about why war really, seriously, is not an acceptable course of action except as a very last resort.

 
 

Bring back the draft. I understand that wars are, in fact, necessary in some circumstances, but if society is going to decide to have one, society as a whole has to pay the price. This war = video game shit has to end.

I agree–if you support a war, you should have to pay the price like everyone else. No deferments, no buying your way out, no bullshit. There should be a direct war fund tax in the form of payroll deduction too. That way people will realize that what it is costing in money, and stop this habit of passing that debt along to people (youth) who don’t have a say in it. We used to call that taxation without representation.

Yeah, and hearing a fucking demon like Donald Rumsfeld (a motherfucking cuntly chickenhawk) make statements like “war is hell” couched in rationalizations for collateral damage makes me want to wage my own little war. I still haven’t decided which is worse, a chickenhawk like Rummy or Cheney or an actual vet like McCain.

 
 

There should be a direct war fund tax in the form of payroll deduction too.

I almost agree with you except for one thing: the rich need to chip in proportionately to their wealth. So since wars are bad for the investment environment in the places in which they’re waged, they should cost the “investing class” something too. A surcharge on capital gains would do the trick, I think.

Like carbon, the costs of war should be right out there for everybody to experience.

 
 

Oy, “collateral dammage” – I could start a whole ‘nother rant on that bullshyte, but I’ll leave that for another time.

I def think the draft-dodgers are worse than people like McCain who at least have put their money where their mouth is… on the other hand, I read an interesting take during the campaign on the way McCain understood Vietnam;

http://www.empirenotes.org/june08.html

June 16, 2008

Weekly Commentary — John McCain and American Victimology
After he returned from Vietnam, John McCain spent nine months at the National War College. His final thesis, recently dug up by the New York Times, is an analysis of the suitability of the U.S. military’s POW Code of Conduct in the light of McCain’s experience and those of his fellows in prison in Hanoi.. It offers several insights into the shaping of John McCain, as well as lessons on how we should look at the Iraq war.

The most fundamental point, generally missed by those who think of McCain as just a “Vietnam veteran” or a “war hero,” is that for McCain the Vietnam War is primarily an experience of his own victimization. Unlike, say, Chuck Hagel, who was in combat infantry, or John Kerry, Bob Kerrey, Rich Armitage, or various others, McCain did his killing from the air. Insulated from seeing the effects of the bombs he dropped, it was easy for him to maintain ridiculous fictions such as the view that the United States bombed only military targets, when the truth was that more than twice as much tonnage was dropped on Vietnam as was used during all of World War 2.

Those other men, whatever political positions they have taken, know in their guts the horrors of war and the brutalization of the self that occurs when you kill people close up; McCain, never distinguished for empathy or intellectual acuity, does not.

Once McCain was shot down, he was beaten by the people who shot him down before being turned over to the authorities and then endured torture of roughly the kind and intensity that is very familiar to the men who were taken to Bagram or Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo – worse than for some of them and better than for many others. This torture reinforced in McCain the notion that the evils of war were all perpetrated by “the enemy,” a deepseated feeling that does not seem to have been shaken by anything he has learned since.

While in prison, the challenge for the prisoners, as it generally is, was to maintain their dignity in the face of degradation and in particular under the combination of torture and various blandishments such as access to better food or to early release for those who would make political statements of the kind their captors wanted.

One of McCain’s chief beliefs, whether correct or not, was that prisoners who were more critical of the war and the actions of the United States were much more likely to cooperate and to, in his view, betray their country. Later cohorts of prisoners were much more likely to be critical, because they had been exposed to those views by the antiwar movement or by various antiwar politicians.

For McCain and many of his fellows, in contrast, unthinking faith in the nobility and honor of America, and of their personal nobility and honor as a reflection of America’s, was the most fundamental anchor for their sense of self.

One of the recommendations he made in his thesis is that American soldiers be taught about how wonderful U.S. foreign policy is, even though he acknowledged that this might be seen as “brainwashing.”

The result of John McCain’s personal formation in this crucible is that McCain, every bit as much as George Bush, believes affirmatively in not questioning one’s country’s actions and by extension, though he would not admit it, in not understanding them. For both men, deliberate unthinkingness is a positive virtue; though in the case of Bush, this is widely understood, sadly very few have thought this through with regard to McCain.

John McCain’s view of the Vietnam War through the prism of the victimization of the American soldier is far from unique; indeed, it is the dominant view of the American public and even of the left with regard both to Vietnam and to Iraq. Over the course of the 1970’s, the Vietnam vet as victim became the primary frame for the war; others all faded into the background. Then, in the 1980’s, the country unlearned the moral lessons of Vietnam and the way was cleared for the resurgence of interventionism.

In the Iraq war, from the beginning, there has been almost no other discourse; everything is about the victimization of the American soldier. John McCain at least has a good excuse for the initial evolution of his primitive and ignorant worldview; the rest of us, especially on the left, have none for fostering the creation of more John McCains.

Posted at 10:22 am

 
 

Guilty. Please accept my apology!

Heh. I don’t listen to it either. (Well, not much. There are a few funny country songs.) But I usually have the good sense not to take a stand on something I’m completely ignorant about. My brother didn’t. XD

 
 

For the interested music lover: country radio stations in North Florida generally play a lot of country/rock mix from Florida/Panhandle/Deep South bands as opposed to Nashville/Western/Appalachia-old-timey acts. So I now have passing familiarity with Doobie Bros, Tom Petty, Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc etc despite myself.

There is a live old time music scene (Suwanee, Micanopy, Waldo) but prepare to be dinner for mosquitoes. (Suwanee features a decrepit racist shrine to Stephen Foster, composer of many racist songs. Good times.)

GNV of course is famous for its punk scene. Figured I’d be remiss not to mention that. My only involvement is to laugh at the drunk punk teenagers on Halloween.

Now that Bernie Machen shut down our classical station, my radio dial has been set on smooth jazz. It’s nice to drive to, even if they do play the same songs every hour. (Apparently my inner child is a 50 year old Black taxi driver.)

 
 

Jeezus, gator, at least find a real jazz station to listen to. Smoove jazz is to jazz what Jennifer Lopez is to The Kinks.

 
 

I almost agree with you except for one thing: the rich need to chip in proportionately to their wealth. So since wars are bad for the investment environment in the places in which they’re waged, they should cost the “investing class” something too. A surcharge on capital gains would do the trick, I think.

Good point. Those fuckers are always behind these things anyway.

 
 

Smoove jazz is to jazz what Jennifer Lopez is to The Kinks

And hence does not distract me when I’m driving. Note I didn’t say I listen to it while doing any other activity.

 
 

Wars should be paid for by a surtax on excess income, as it was a century ago. After all, the wealthy are the ones who benefit the most from military action.

 
 

oops, I mean “surplus income”

 
 

Smoove jazz is to jazz what Jennifer Lopez is to The Kinks

And hence does not distract me when I’m driving.

I dunno. I think J-Lo could find a way to distract me from driving.

 
 

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