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Don’t Know Much About Demography, Or Venn Diagrams Are A Liberal Plot
ABOVE: K-Lo wannabe Julie Mason
Shorter Julie “GWB is my BFF” Mason, Byron York’s Washington Examiner:
Obama’s election year pitch leaves out white males
- A little known fact: all white males are over 40, all young white males having mysteriously disappeared from the face of the planet. Perhaps they all died off after a massive asteroid collision, like the dinosaurs, you know. Maybe they were all victims of liberal abortions. But, as a result, Obama’s racist electoral appeal to young people was not an appeal to any white males.
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. We are aware of all Internet traditions.™
Ivory Tower Construction Co. said,
April 28, 2010 at 8:57
The foundation’s got a crack big enough to put your fist through, a little spackle isn’t going to do the job, Miss Mason.
Jay Are Eff said,
April 28, 2010 at 9:51
A young man is hard to find.
Impossible, in fact.
mac said,
April 28, 2010 at 10:56
Fixed for greater communism.
jim said,
April 28, 2010 at 11:21
Oh fuck.
Is white guys’ skin extra-thin & hypersensitive or what?
I would think that the MALE part of “white male” might obviate the need to grow a pair, already – & I would seem to be very, very wrong.
Several comments on the article consist of baaaawing about the unspeakable terrorism of reverse-discrimination (though I find it odd in such an infamously litigious country that none of these valiant martyrs have lawyered up for easy access to some sweet settlement moolah). Also a real nice little Birther orgy over in that comment-section, along with some Reaganophile Cold War Re-enactment Cosplayers … wow, there’s some real hurtin’ examples of history fail on display, also, you betcha!
Your “GWB is my BFF” link ought to come with Gravol – or perhaps a gun with one bullet.
War crimes, rapist mercenaries & indictments be damned, Mason was plainly a True Believer to the ugly, ignominious end, blithely serenading her heroic Commandante Codpiece back to his internal exile in Dallas while the US economy burned to the ground. That “photo-essay” is a classic case-study in cluelessness — or meta-pornography for nihilists.
I imagine her voice is quite stentorian, since her hollow skull ought to make an excellent natural amplifier.
Cerberus said,
April 28, 2010 at 11:49
If white men aren’t allowed to control everything and be constantly pandered to as the only subgroup that ever matters then that’s like the Rape Culture or Lynching TIMES OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!ELEVENTY-ONE!!! /whiny ass white men
I know power never lets go without a fight, but is any group quite as pathetic about it as white males?
Noes, considering the existence of other people is like actual discrimination but worse, you must pander to me and suck my balls to atone for it.
It makes me look forward to their growing political irrelevance.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
April 28, 2010 at 11:58
Doo de doo, minding me own srs bsns. Reading teh intynaughts, doo de doo. Are those mangoes there by the shore? I’ll go take a look.
- keyed to specific special interests -
Wheeeee!!!!!! Obambi is pursuing Immigration reform as a secret way of winning even more Hispanic votes! Immigration reform is one of those issues keyed to specific special interests that totes exclude white males. I mean srsly, white males don’t give a POOP about immigration reform, it’s like totes off their radar. Double-especially for hte geezebag ones.
Cerberus said,
April 28, 2010 at 12:12
D-KW-
Really?
I better tell the white male Russian guy I know who is an illegal immigrant to America because his school fucked up his immigration paperwork and thanks to Bush you don’t get a redo if you fuck up a step, that he no longer needs to care about the “special interests” of immigration reform.
He’ll be so pleased that he no longer needs to live in constant fear that his landlord will deport him because such an issue is so de facto unrelated to the proud white male race.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
April 28, 2010 at 12:17
No Cerberus, you don’t understand – as a white male he’s now in serious jeopardy. The special interests who are allupons about immigration are the
messicansHispanics. Obambi is going to make an example of that white male immigrant in order to pleasethem swarthy Latinoshis base.JoeBuddha said,
April 28, 2010 at 12:38
So, just out of curiousity, what should we pale male Americans who are NOT WATB’s call ourselves?
Ted the Slacker said,
April 28, 2010 at 12:40
Shorter every wingnut concern troll on the planet:
Why won’t Obama pander to tea-baggers?
I don’t need no stinkin’ mangoes this time, but I will say this about the Preznit… every time he tosses out a grenade painted with the vaguest racial undertones, the wingnuts fight not only over who gets to hold it but who gets to make it explode most spectacularly in their faces.
And any time someone, say Michael Steele, bless him, points out that the GOP should probably steer clear of this debate, someone unleashes the blogs of war and it becomes a big deal all over again.
The tactic might not win every election, but it sure as fuck makes the GOP look like bigoted assholes.
Cerberus said,
April 28, 2010 at 12:43
D-KW
Ah, human sacrifice then. Ah well, his burnt offerings are but a small taste of what all white men will suffer under Obama’s icy reign of forced reparations. /wingnut
Arky said,
April 28, 2010 at 13:11
Waaaah! How dare Obama appeal to groups that the GOP is repeatedly shitting upon! If it weren’t for him, those people would fall for the pathetic attempts at GOP minority outreach! (Look! Michael Steele! Do some of that “break dancing” for us Mike er … Dawg!)
Christ. I predict a 1,000% increase in fumble-fingered attempts to keep people away from the voting booths.
Liberal communoterrorist pansies. Duh!
Anonymous said,
April 28, 2010 at 13:16
What Obama said:
young people, African-Americans, Latinos and women
What the conservatives replied:
Conservatives said the move was racially divisive — asking rhetorically what would happen if a president called for unity among white voters to win an election.
Could there be a clearer demonstration of In Group vs Out Group than this? To Republicans, “everybody who isn’t a white man” is a “race”. It’s just Us and Them. Obama is trying to hold “Them” together, therefore he’s a rabid Them-ist who is JUST LIKE HITLER!
Lurking Canadian said,
April 28, 2010 at 13:17
Oh bugger, I wasn’t logged in. Anonymous is me.
phleabo@gmail.com said,
April 28, 2010 at 13:25
To Republicans, “everybody who isn’t a white man” is a “race”
This is exactly the point. White (male, usually) is the norm, and is the neutral point in society. Policies which favor this group aren’t biased in favor of this group, because this group IS the fundamental constituent of American society.
That’s why you see middle-aged teabaggers demanding “their country” back. Because the folks in charge now are, at least nominally, not solely dedicated to the constitutionally established norm of (at a minimum) implicit white hegemony.
Jennifer said,
April 28, 2010 at 13:54
To that end, the White House is pushing climate legislation and immigration reform — keyed to specific special interests — as another way to drum up support in the fall.
GWB would have never pandered to his base of clueless followers by advocating stuff like amending the constitution to make sure that Teh Gays remain second-class citizens.
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 14:35
I’m glad Jules is here to tell me that I’m not a young, white male. My whole life is a lie!
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
April 28, 2010 at 14:35
White Man and Butthurt will drop by, shortly.
~
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 14:39
So, just out of curiousity, what should we pale male Americans who are NOT WATB’s call ourselves?
I think the answer is either “death panel” or “Canada”.
VforVirginia said,
April 28, 2010 at 14:45
It’s as though they’ve finally seen everything they feared about affirmative action come to fruition. First they let women do Men’s Jobs, for which, it is assumed, they could not possibly be as qualified (Sotomayor? Affirmative Action hire! Any white dude would automatically be a qualified candidate, even if they hated his politics). Then, in greater and greater numbers, non-white people were serving in all kinds of elected offices, holding down good jobs, etc. And those positions belong to us, dammit!
And now, here we are, with One Of Them in the White House! The WHITE HOUSE! (And we narrowly missed having a Scary Vagina in there. Not the cute one that winks and shoots animals from helicopters, either; the one that killed her lesbian lover Vince Foster right across the street from the White House.)
So they squawk about living in a post-racial society while simultaneously claiming that the nice, moderate Republican President is a secret Mooslem, a socialist, not a citizen, a communist, worse than 1,000 Hitlers, and so on. And pass a Show Me Your Papers law in a state that contains 30% of Them.
It’s over, they lost, and they’re terrified. And there’s nothing as dangerous as a frightened, cornered animal, so I don’t expect the next few years to be any prettier.
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 14:51
And now, here we are, with One Of Them in the White House!
Every time teabaggers and righties say “There’s a socialist in the white house” or “Obama’s a Marxist” or “Barack Hussein Obama?! He’s a Muslim!” I hear the N-word.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 14:52
It’s over, they lost, and they’re terrified. And there’s nothing as dangerous as a frightened, cornered animal, so I don’t expect the next few years to be any prettier.
As anyone who has ever been to the zoo can tell you, their cages will be absolutely covered in POOP.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 14:58
A little known fact: all white males are over 40, all young white males having mysteriously disappeared from the face of the planet.
Wait. Who have I been fucking, then?
VforVirginia said,
April 28, 2010 at 14:59
Esteev said,
Every time teabaggers and righties say “There’s a socialist in the white house” or “Obama’s a Marxist” or “Barack Hussein Obama?! He’s a Muslim!” I hear the N-word.
Dog whistles, baybee! (And me, too.)
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:02
Who have I been fucking, then?
That’s a dangerous question to be asking round here.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:04
That’s a dangerous question to be asking round here.
Believe me, I know, but this is SERIOUS!
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:04
That’s a dangerous question to be asking round here.
It could be anyone. Liberal floozy.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:08
Believe me, I know, but this is SERIOUS!
Serious? Sirius Lunacy? The bastard…
77south said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:08
Well it probably wasn’t me since I clearly don’t exist.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:10
Well it probably wasn’t me since I clearly don’t exist.
You must never have seen Ghost.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:15
You must never have seen Ghost.
Do ghosts leave their socks on the living room floor?
Ted the Slacker said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:20
Wait. Who have I been fucking, then?
Don’t want to get all scientific or whatnot but I want to help here… so how many inches we talking about?
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:21
Well it probably wasn’t me since I clearly don’t exist.
It’s a weird feeling — not existing. I still feel the same but I keep getting dirty looks. Should I put my pants back on?
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:24
so how many inches we talking about?
I’m a fucking lady! We don’t share that information.
Citizen_X said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:26
who gets to make it explode most spectacularly in their faces
Veiled…oh, never mind.
So, just out of curiousity, what should we pale male Americans who are NOT WATB’s call ourselves?
FA66ORTZ, duh!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:28
Always. Trust. The. Shorter.™
all white males are over 40
So THAT’S why I’ve got groupies again!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:29
No Cerberus, you don’t understand – as a white male he’s now in serious jeopardy.
Except in Arizona.
Lurking Canadian said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:31
Who have I been fucking, then?
Just a guess, but extrapolating from the demographic around here…DKW’s mom?
Too soon?
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:33
Just a guess, but extrapolating from the demographic around here…DKW’s mom?
I thought that was a given…
Substance McGravitas said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:34
DKW’s mom IS NO LESBIAN unless you have three dollars.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:35
Just a guess, but extrapolating from the demographic around here…DKW’s mom?
Too soon?
Oh hell no! She can take them on two or three at a time with no breaks.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:36
I told you it was a dangerous question.
*sniff*
Butch Pansy said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:38
Who are the special interests that climate legislation will benefit? Earthlings? Oh, wait, they would be citizens of the One World (who are all kinds of shades of brown) , not honest, hard-working White Americans.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:39
I told you it was a dangerous question.
What question is that? “Who’s socks are these?”
Progressive Center Left Grrl Voice of Truth said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:40
I don’t think there was ever a real white-male privileged. It just happened that all of the powerful were white and male. The powerful were an exclusive club, but they needed to divide those who could oppose them. Sex and race were good divisions. They set apart one group of proles as “better”, when all that really meant was that they could call women and black people mean names.
Now, occasionally, white men would rise through the ranks to become powerful. The occasional rise gave hope to the rest of the losers. In fact, to become powerful, one did have to be white and male. But time passes and routes to power (slender though they may be) open up to women and to other races. Now the charade is over: no longer is being white and male sufficient for being in a privileged group. Or even looking like one is in a privileged group. Now one has to be competent.*
*Competent: That is, well-connected.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:40
I told you it was a dangerous question.
*sniff*
Awww. If it makes you feel any better, she takes her job very, very seriously. A paragon of the American work ethic, she is.
stryx said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:41
meta-pornography for nihilists
We’ll be playing the Mercury next Thursday.
Young white males pay double extra and have to stand in the back.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:41
Who are the special interests that climate legislation will benefit?
Believe it or not, the utilities. For reasons I haven’t bothered to figure out, they are almost in unanimous agreement that the carbon “cap & trade” bill is good for them.
Citizen_X said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:42
Butch Pansy: I was wondering that too. “It’s pandering to the Earth-American community!”
Butch Pansy said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:42
…with red blood, not that lavender, gay kind or the green stuff the lizard people have. Prick them, they’ll bleed. Prick The World!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:43
In fact, to become powerful, one did have to be white and male.
Someone owes me fucking big time. I’m white, male, and goddamned bigger than most of those candy-asses who run things.
g said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:43
Is white guys’ skin extra-thin & hypersensitive or what?
That must be why shaving products sell so well.
Fucking whiny-ass babies.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:43
You know, this shit reminds me of the PUMAs griping about how women should have more say in what goes on than African-Americans, because women constitute half of the population in this country.
…I guess black women are figments of my imagination, too?
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:43
Prick them, they’ll bleed.
Not if you use AstroGlide.
Butch Pansy said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:45
Of course, the utilities are not owned by any white men, of any age. What’s that you say? The Jews? Not white, sorry. They killed X, you know.
Butch Pansy said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:46
“Not if you use AstroGlide”
Pass the BoyButter, please.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:47
That must be why shaving products sell so well.
Little known fact: white men don’t shave. We wax. Those products you see advertised are actually for dessert toppings, but we won’t admit that so the kids will have something to buy us for Father’s Day so we don’t feel unloved.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:47
Pass the BoyButter, please.
BoyButter sounds too faggy for real white men. we like ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTRRRRRRRRRROglide for our prickings.
g said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:49
You know, as long as the Limbaughs, Drudges and Becks of the world are going to say it anyway, I think Obama ought to start kicking a little White-Man ass around. It’d be hilarious to throw a scare into them.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:50
It’d be hilarious to throw a scare into them.
I fully endorse the notion of large numbers of armed black men showing up at Teabagger rallies.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:50
to throw a scare into them
Veiled buttsecks reference.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:51
I fully endorse the notion of large numbers of armed black men showing up at Teabagger rallies.
They would cry so, so hard. It would be genius.
Lurking Canadian said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:54
I fully endorse the notion of large numbers of armed black men showing up at Teabagger rallies.
History tells us this is the best way to get new gun control legislation passed.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:54
They would cry so, so hard. It would be genius.
I’m really shocked I haven’t seen this idea floated around more.
I mean, apart from the fact the Teabaggers would shoot first and ask questions later, of course.
Seriously, tho, they could carry signs like “He’s One Of Ours” and “Mess With One Brother, Mess With Us All”.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:55
History tells us this is the best way to get new gun control legislation passed.
That, or assassinate a President. Frankly, I’d rather have the “scary black men”
Substance McGravitas said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:56
Live by the mom, die by the mom.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:57
I’m really shocked I haven’t seen this idea floated around more.
I mean, apart from the fact the Teabaggers would shoot first and ask questions later, of course.
Some of them might, but I think most of them would be too terrified to do anything. Hee hee. I’m guessing that they wouldn’t be so supportive of bringing guns to protests after that.
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:57
Maybe it’s just me, but, as a young white male, I feel marginalized. When will I be able to write a column in the NYFT? When will I get to be a Language Guru in charge of making necessary policy look like a dangerous concoction of Liberal Lies and POOP? When will I get to cheat on my wives dozens of times and still be a leader of a party championing “values’? When Will I get to pass draconian laws that advocate racial profiling? When will I get to go through an airport and be hassled for being a white male?
The humanity!!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:57
Live by the mom, die by the mom.
That’s rumourmongering! She’s never killed anyone!
That stroke was caused by the walk up the stairs to her room, and not the sex.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:58
When will I get to cheat on my wives dozens of times and still be a leader of a party championing “values’?
Not until you’re 40, dammit! Those are the club rules.
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 15:59
Not until you’re 40, dammit! Those are the club rules.
But it’s not faaaaaaaaaaairr. I want to cheat NOWNOWNOWNOWNOW. And get paid handsomely for it.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:02
Not to be looksist or anything, but if Mason is so concerned with young white males, maybe she should push away from the dinner table before dessert?
Ted the Slacker said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:03
Ha, Julie Mason update!
Shorter dumb broad – “Obama plays me and it hurts our freedom.”
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:06
Not to be looksist or anything, but if Mason is so concerned with young white males, maybe she should push away from the dinner table before dessert?
Forget that, if she wants to be taken seriously by anyone with a functioning intellect, she should stop writing things like this about GWB:
You gotta be kidding me. “Consternation” doesn’t mean what I think she thinks it means, I think.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:07
…he was the inspiration, the muse, the reason, the constant, the consternation, the merriment, and always — the job.
WHAT?
She has a job. Writing. She’s PAID for that shit.
I’m gonna go cry in the bathroom now.
Butch Pansy said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:07
~Frankly, I’d rather have the “scary black men”~
Sign me up for some of that!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:08
Well, yea, it is a bit unseemly to be writing an article about the President of the United States that would be more appropriate for your diary than for readers…particularly if you’re going to complain about the next President being a bully because he doesn’t cotton to your charms the way that handsome and charming snake-oil salesman did.
You know, the guy who sold you a war that was already broken?
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:09
She has a job. Writing. She’s PAID for that shit.
Worse. She’s syndicated.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:10
She has a job. Writing. She’s PAID for that shit.
Worse. She’s syndicated.
*sob*
Ted the Slacker said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:11
“Consternation” doesn’t mean what I think she thinks it means, I think.
Well no, but “starbursts” had not yet been invented.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:11
*sob*
Worse worse, it’s not listed as a comedy column.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:14
*sob*
Worse worse, it’s not listed as a comedy column.
Stop it! I don’t have time to call my doctor and ask him to up my Prozac dose today!
Magna Nemo Us said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:17
I grew a young white male, just recently, he’sreached the age of majority now. We did it all by ourselves. Literally. Work on that, editors
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:18
Well no, but “starbursts” had not yet been invented.
Taste the Rainbow, huh? Gehy.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:21
Taste the Rainbow, huh? Gehy.
IT IS NOT!
STOP JUDGING ME!!!!!!!!
77south said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:23
Taste the Rainbow, huh? Gehy.
So that’s what that guy was talking about? Huh. I thought he was trying to sell me Skittles.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:25
One of the most striking findings is structural: liberal blogs provide audience participation options at triple the rate of conservative sites.
You dont say!
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:26
Bill Donohue:
Which he did and still does. Just don’t tell anyone.
Lurking Canadian said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:27
Well, sure. That’s because conservatism is the movement of ideas, favouring vigourous debate and discourse, whereas liberalism is a cesspool of political correctness and censorship.
Now hang on. I seem to have misplaced a decimal point.
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:28
So that’s what that guy was talking about? Huh. I thought he was trying to sell me Skittles.
Oh, right Skittles “taste the rainbow” while Starbursts is a “Juicy Contradiction”.. still gehy!
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:28
Now hang on. I seem to have misplaced a decimal point.
‘scool. I misplaced an apostrophe.
Epistemic closure, bitches!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:29
Esteev, I had to climb out of the boat just to check, because I wanted to make fun of your clumsy editing.
I’m sorry. You had it accurately recorded.
And now, I must go bleach my brain.
Lurking Canadian said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:30
Bill Donohue is a guy who never heard the expression, “If you are in a hole, stop digging”. Why don’t they ask me, as a lifelong Catholic, what I think about this issue, instead of a douchebag like him?
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:30
’scool. I misplaced an apostrophe.
So THAT’S what’s in my appendix!
Citizen_X said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:30
I would have flattened him
Yeah, because simply saying “No” is too teh ghey.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:32
“If you are in a hole, stop digging”
Veiled…well, you know.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:34
Why don’t they ask me, as a lifelong Catholic, what I think about this issue, instead of a douchebag like him?
Be. Cause. Your. Answer. Would. Make. Sense.
It goes like this: a teenager kisses an adult (could be same sex, could be opposite marriage stuff), falls in love…BECAUSE HE’S A TEEN! It happens! Hell, in America, its epic mythology to marry your “childhood sweetheart”, right?
Guy continues affair even after marriage because…and here’s the kicker…he’s been sexually and emotionally abused into believing the adult is helping him. This is why we treat sex with minors as a crime, not because a kid is incapable of the physical relationship, but because they are emotionally vulnerable!
It doesn’t matter that he didn’t marry the guy (or woman, if that’s the case, which it often is). What matters is he believed he was in love with him and it felt wrong to be without him.
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:34
Actor, please feel free to check out my facts [wink] but don’t say I liked it!
LurkingCanadian, your opinion doesn’t matter because A) you are the president of anything and B) You don’t have enough press releases to be taken seriously. Hope that clears things up for you.
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:36
Editorz Notez: A) you are NOT the president of anything
stryx said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:37
Shorter Bill Donohue:
Why do all these
homos keep sucking my cockpriests keep giving me absolution?TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:39
Be. Cause. Your. Answer. Would. Make. Sense.
Also, it would put the blame where it actually belongs, and we can’t have that!
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:42
I’ve seen more than my share of victim-blaming for sexual abuse/assault, but I am still left speechless at what’s being hurled at victims of priests. How the fuck do these people call themselves Christian?
The Tragically Flip said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:43
Oh thank FSM. It’s about time that the Democrats learned to stop vainly trying to pursue the bubba/soccer dad/Chris Matthews vote. The “Reagan Democrats” are never coming back, and good riddance, the Democratic party is a better institution without them.
I still think back from time to time to those dumb spoof videos the Republicans put together where they were the Rebel Alliance fighting Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats as the Empire. The analogy to Star Wars isn’t actually so bad when you think about it, just backwards – The Empire is all white males, and the Rebels are every other race, creed and gender. Lucas isn’t a brilliant social commentator, but he is a lefty and it isn’t hard to notice that America has been “straight christian white males v everyone else” for a long time.
Yeah, so, fuck the Storm Trooper vote.
Chris said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:56
I still think back from time to time to those dumb spoof videos the Republicans put together where they were the Rebel Alliance fighting Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats as the Empire. The analogy to Star Wars isn’t actually so bad when you think about it, just backwards – The Empire is all white males, and the Rebels are every other race, creed and gender. Lucas isn’t a brilliant social commentator, but he is a lefty and it isn’t hard to notice that America has been “straight christian white males v everyone else” for a long time.
Even more so if you watch the prequels, where the central war is being fought against a “Confederacy” seceding from the Republic and being mostly made up of groups called the Trade Federation, the Commerce Guild and the Corporate Alliance. (Ahhh, subtlety).
Chris said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:59
Better yet is that the secessionists want to leave the Republic because “it’s corrupt,” but line up like sheep behind the Trade/Commerce type groups even though they’re the ones who’ve been corrupting the Republic all along in the first place.
The teabaggers of Star Wars, if you will. Come to think of it, it’s spot-on social commentary.
Jas said,
April 28, 2010 at 16:59
So, just out of curiousity, what should we pale male Americans who are NOT WATB’s call ourselves?
As the white male is the jew of liberal fascism…
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:01
Even more so if you watch the prequels, where the central war is being fought against a “Confederacy” seceding from the Republic and being mostly made up of groups called the Trade Federation, the Commerce Guild and the Corporate Alliance. (Ahhh, subtlety).
And led by Nute Gingr– I mean Gunray.
Willy said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:01
I misplaced an apostrophe.
It’s over where the Huskies go.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:03
The teabaggers of Star Wars, if you will. Come to think of it, it’s spot-on social commentary.
Interestingly, those stories (but not the scripts) were written just after Vietnam, not during the Bush administration.
The scripts were written in the 90s
Mr. Wonderful said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:07
unleashes the blogs of war
Ted the Slacker does it again. Permission to steal?
Mr. Wonderful said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:17
It’d be hilarious to throw a scare into them.
I fully endorse the notion of large numbers of armed black men showing up at Teabagger rallies.
This is inspired. Concealed carry THIS, mothafuckas. USA!
Just, please, whoever does this, take videos, and someone take videos of the guy or gal taking the videos. Just in case.
Larkspur said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:18
Prithee, stay in the boat. Wander not into the comments section. These are the rantings of folks who, souls unfed, are swoll’n with wind and the rank mist they draw: they rot inwardly, and foul contagion spread.
DKW, your mom has always been real nice to me, even when I was all insane and contagious and shit. She is a true huwomanitarian.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:23
One of the most striking findings is structural
Engineers 1, architects 0.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:26
DKW, your mom has always been real nice to me, even when I was all insane and contagious and shit.
Con…cont…contagious?
*gulp*
Jennifer said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:29
I’ve been out doing door-to-door for Bill Halter via Working America (the school fundraising business is dead now, with school about to get out and summer on the way…it will be a dry spell until fall when we already have a lot of business lined up) and our lists were of “confirmed Democratic voters” and still yet, I ran into one Palinista.
When I’m out doing this work, I try not to get into debates with anyone who doesn’t support my candidate/cause, and I met quite a few yesterday who were anti-Halter thanks to the state lottery he backed. But with most of those folks, I was able to just say, “ok, I understand your concern; I’m not crazy about the lottery either, but thanks for visiting with me.” But the Palin lady….whoooeee. I finally just said, “I’ve never heard an intelligent comment come out of her mouth, and as for her and her family being “attacked” by the media, she’s made a mint off her supposed ‘victimization’.” Crazy lady said “well they never went after OTHER people’s kids like that” and I said, “other people never made a big deal about living their Christian values while failing to mention their pregnant unwed daughter. Other people never dragged their kids around with them on the campaign trail or made their “accomplishments” as a parent the centerpiece of why they’re qualified for office. And I fail to see how the media being MEAN to someone somehow qualifies them to be president. We’ve been told before that it doesn’t matter if who we elect is SMART or not, and it didn’t work out too well.”
Anyway, she wasn’t going to vote for Halter to begin with, so what do I care? But it’s shocking the number of people who plan to use their vote to throw a tantrum. “Things aren’t fixed, so I’m voting for the guys who broke them!!!!!” Yeah, THAT will make everything better.
This country deserves to go down the toilet. It’s full of whiny ass babies who roll around drumming their heels on the floor and screaming whenever they don’t get their way – RIGHT NOW.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:32
Feel better now, Jen?
Jennifer said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:35
actor – somewhat.
My whole life I’ve been trying to escape Teh Stoopid, but it just keeps growing larger…
Esteev said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:36
Prithee, stay in the boat. Wander not into the comments section.
I dunno some of them are kind of funny.. if outdated.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:37
This country deserves to go down the toilet. It’s full of whiny ass babies who roll around drumming their heels on the floor and screaming whenever they don’t get their way – RIGHT NOW.
Uh, yeah, pretty much.
Also, I DON’T FUCKING CARE ABOUT FUCKING SANDRA FUCKING BULLOCK’S SECRET FUCKING BABY!
Now I feel better, too!
Jennifer said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:38
BTW, I also told more than one person: “This country needs two rational political parties; right now it has only one. I understand your frustration in having only one choice, that you consider “too liberal” if you want some sanity in government. But I don’t think voting for INsanity is going to make it more likely that you’ll have that kind of a choice anytime soon.”
Larkspur said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:41
Jennifer, I salute you (in an awkward civilian way) for going door-to-door for anything. Bless your heart. I would have trouble doing that. Maybe it’s ’cause I was scarred for life back in the olden days, when my Republican parents volunteered to canvass for George Romney for Governator. That involved mom and dad driving slowly down the streets of our heavily Democratic working class town while we kids ran up to doors with campaign literature. I got a lifetime load of mockery and embarrassment that day alone, not that the Mockery and Embarrassment Gods ever took even the tiniest note of that.
Actor212, just keep using the ointment.
Jennifer said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:42
Also, I DON’T FUCKING CARE ABOUT FUCKING SANDRA FUCKING BULLOCK’S SECRET FUCKING BABY!
This, also. I can’t STAND Sandra Bullock. No reason, really, except she reminds me of a girl I went to school with who was a real two-faced back-stabber. Or maybe it’s all that “America’s Sweetheart” claptrap.
In any case, I know I’m not alone. About ten years ago I’m over at a friend’s house, and E! is on in the background as we’re working on art stuff, and they come on with this story about Sandra Bullock’s “brush with death” when her plane ran out of runway and stopped JUST BEFORE crashing into a fence or something, and we both simultaneously said, “DAMN! So close!!!”
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:46
My whole life I’ve been trying to escape Teh Stoopid, but it just keeps growing larger…
Peak Wingnut is approaching.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:46
Also, I DON’T FUCKING CARE ABOUT FUCKING SANDRA FUCKING BULLOCK’S SECRET FUCKING BABY!
My son!
STOP JUDGING ME!!!!!!
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:48
About ten years ago I’m over at a friend’s house, and E! is on in the background as we’re working on art stuff, and they come on with this story about Sandra Bullock’s “brush with death” when her plane ran out of runway and stopped JUST BEFORE crashing into a fence or something, and we both simultaneously said, “DAMN! So close!!!”
Ha! This makes me happy. For a while, I was feeling like the only white woman in the world who didn’t love her. My friends think she’s awesome. And today has me thinking that I need new friends…
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:49
Actor212, just keep using the ointment.
I’ve spent thirty five years without getting a
singlecouplemore than three or maybe four, unless you count the pink eye, in which case it might be an even dozentoo many STDs, and now you’re telling me you’re contagious and we shared DKW’s mom?????actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:50
I can’t STAND Sandra Bullock.
Well, she’s a crappy actress, but I thought she was nice when I worked with her.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:50
My son!
ORLY?
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:52
Well, she’s a crappy actress, but I thought she was nice when I worked with her.
She seems like a perfectly nice person, but she’s also bland and does mostly terrible movies. Then again, I’m not particularly interested in America’s Sweetheart types.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:52
ORLY?
STOP JUDGING ME!
Chris said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:54
This country deserves to go down the toilet. It’s full of whiny ass babies who roll around drumming their heels on the floor and screaming whenever they don’t get their way – RIGHT NOW.
Increasingly, my opinion’s the same.
Yes, you can blame the government, capitalism, the media, or pretty much any part of civil society for all the problems in our nation and you’d have a good point in some way or other. But this is America, not Cuba. The ultimate power has always rested with the people, and so does the ultimate responsibility.
Intolerance, willful ignorance, selfishness, greed… those things aren’t movement conservatives’ fault. They stroke it for all it’s worth, but they couldn’t do that if they didn’t have something to work with in the first place. Sorry if that sounds elitist, but it’s hard to conclude otherwise.
Bitter Scribe said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:59
Shorter Every Wingnut Who Ever Writes About This Stuff:
Obama is racially divisive, unlike us fair-minded conservative white people who, like Stephen Colbert, don’t see race. To prove it, I’m going to pore over voter racial breakdowns until I’m cross-eyed.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:59
They stroke it for all it’s worth, but they couldn’t do that if they didn’t have something to work with in the first place.
As was pointed out above, Star Wars is based on historical events, like the rise of the Roman Empire or the rise of Hitler.
In both instances, a free people willingly turned over their democracy to a dictator. In both instances, it occured after a terrible event (for Germany, the subduction and economic crisis after WWI, for Rome, the invasion by Caesar) created widespread panic amongst the people.
Now, what’s happened in this country in the past ten years, I wonder…
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 17:59
Intolerance, willful ignorance, selfishness, greed… those things aren’t movement conservatives’ fault. They stroke it for all it’s worth, but they couldn’t do that if they didn’t have something to work with in the first place.
So, here’s my question: have these things always been a part of the American character and have just become more and more common and visible? Or was there some sort of turning point in our history that has made us this way?
I have my own ideas, but I’m just curious what others think.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:00
STOP JUDGING ME!
Not judging, just confused…
Larkspur said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:00
DKW’s mom is fine. Don’t be such a baby. Wait. You’re 35? Or you’ve only had to be wary of contagious stuff for 35 years? Oh never mind.
Here is good news about SF writer Peter Watts, one of them ruckus-raisin’ Canadian border crashers who got convicted of felony non-compliance with our border guards in Port Huron, Michigan, a place with which I am familiar, and which is swarming with cousins of mine. His sentencing hearing went kinda well. I’d do the tiny url thing but I don’t feel like learning how.
Peter Watts article
Willy said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:07
Peak Wingnut is approaching.
Nuh-uh. Like Hubbard’s Curve, it shifts with the value of
a barrel of oilwingnut arguments. As the acceptable level of craziness goes up (or down, depending upon how you define it), the more crazy becomes available.Peak wingnut is like the horizon: No matter how fast you seem to be approaching it, it still remains in the distance.
Mysticdog said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:11
Demolition Man is a guilty pleasure, and Sandra keeps me laughing throughout.
I think she is a good actress, but she has been typecast/has typecast herself into roles I don’t really care about. She has made a fortune at it, so someone seems to like those movies. I’d like to see her as the villianess sometime.
Mysticdog said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:12
Peak wingnut is like the horizon: No matter how fast you seem to be approaching it, it still remains in the distance.
Only if you believe that “spherical earth” crap. Heathen.
kg said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:14
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/28/tintin-congo-racist-ban-belgium
Apologies if its been brought up but can we really trust what “TinTin” says, in light of recent developments?
Lurking Canadian said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:16
Apologies if its been brought up but can we really trust what “TinTin” says, in light of recent developments?
I suppose that depends if he is French, a fag, or both.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:17
Peak wingnut is like the horizon:
It’s further away on Uranus.
Jennifer said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:17
…have these things always been a part of the American character and have just become more and more common and visible? Or was there some sort of turning point in our history that has made us this way?
To part the first: yes.
To part the second: also, yes, more than one of those, but one primarily.
I look back at it and think one of the reasons for the greater economic equality and saner tax policies of the 50′s and 60′s is that we hadn’t addressed civil rights yet. Whitey was getting what he wanted from the gubbmint – to keep the black man down – so the corporations didn’t have a ready-made racial divide for use in their divide-and-conquer tactics. Also too the military-industrial complex was still consolidating its power. So once they got their wedge set up, in the 70s all the corporations set up their think-tanks and started disseminating information designed to make people stupid. Then the burgeoning media of the 80s, 90s, 00s (especially after repeal of the Fairness Doctrine) scooped up handfuls of the shit and flung it far and wide.
But really, it all goes back to civil rights.
Chris said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:17
So, here’s my question: have these things always been a part of the American character and have just become more and more common and visible? Or was there some sort of turning point in our history that has made us this way?
I think they were part of every country’s character, until liberalism and then socialism started to challenge them in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. Most recently, I think the liberal consensus between 1932 and 1980 muted and even reduced them a lot, but they came back with a vengeance under Reagan (following the roadmap Nixon wrote twelve years earlier).
I also think by creating a middle-class nation and lifting millions of people out of poverty, the New Deal perversely created a majority well-off enough that they were more concerned with preserving their own status than helping those in need. That’s why even though inequality’s gone through the roof for the last thirty years, so many people still cling to the “I’ve got mine so fuck anything that might challenge that” mentality (seniors on Medicare freaking out about a public option being one example).
I’m also curious what you think.
Mysticdog said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:20
So, here’s my question: have these things always been a part of the American character and have just become more and more common and visible? Or was there some sort of turning point in our history that has made us this way?
Always been there. We were burning witches a lot longer than the rest of the western world. We were settled by Puritans, after all.
And this is the same crap we had in the 1890s an the 1930′s and the 1950′s. And the 1850′s. And so on. It is a basic part of human nature I think. We evolved to want daddy figures, which made a lot of sense when it was clans and tribes, but makes less and less sense the large our social groups got. Some people have the instinct stronger than others, and have it reinforced throughout their lives.
I think the only difference now is that the media allows those people who see the opportunity to power through leading those afflicted to reach them more easily than ever. It lets them reinforce the need for dictators telling them what to think 24/7.
But I am often full of crap, so YMMV…
Willy said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:23
Only if you believe that “spherical earth” crap. Heathen.
No way. Oblate spheroid ftw.
kingubu said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:24
have these things always been a part of the American character and have just become more and more common and visible?
See: Burroughs, Wm. S. on “basic American rottenness”
Really, though, in some ways it’s just water finding its level. The side effects of WW2 gave us a huge head-start relative to the rest of the West (untouched manufacturing infrastructure, imported academics/technology/science far in advance of what we were producing previously, etc, etc) but rather than taking that for the lucky break that it was and building on it we decided it was because we were Specially Blessed and the good times would last forever. It’s taken a couple of generations of neglect but we’re basically back to being the the highly stratified provincial also-ran shithole that we were before the world wars.
S. cerevisiae said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:27
In both instances, a free people willingly turned over their democracy to a dictator. In both instances, it occured after a terrible event (for Germany, the subduction and economic crisis after WWI, for Rome, the invasion by Caesar) created widespread panic amongst the people.
Now, what’s happened in this country in the past ten years, I wonder…
EMPEROR BARAK HITLERCEASAR!!!111!!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:28
But really, it all goes back to civil rights.
Not sure this is a race thing, beyond the fact that blacks and Hispanics tend to fall into lower economic classes disproportionately.
I think this is a class thing, more than anything. The Teabaggers would find they have more in common with liberals than they do with the people and policies they are defending.
Lurking Canadian said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:29
So, here’s my question: have these things always been a part of the American character and have just become more and more common and visible? Or was there some sort of turning point in our history that has made us this way?
I think most of it is just part of the human character. Or maybe just part of the ground ape character. We don’t like to lose status. We don’t like to lose wealth. We react violently when loss of status and wealth is threatened and we react to fake threats as savagely as real ones.
To me, the part that makes it exceptionally dangerous in the US is the doctrine of American exceptionalism. In other places, when things are clearly going off the rails, people can (after much struggle) admit error and take corrective action. But the first law of US politics is that America Is Never Wrong and the second law of US politics is If America Is Wrong, See Rule Number One.
I think this is why doubling down on crazy and stupid is a winning formula in the US, but might not be elsewhere.
Substance McGravitas said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:30
Cato douchebag Arnold Kling on the Tea Partiers a while back:
Chris said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:33
It’s taken a couple of generations of neglect but we’re basically back to being the the highly stratified provincial also-ran shithole that we were before the world wars.
That’s not a natural or inevitable condition, though.
Take Western Europe. After the rebuilding from the war was over (and yes, with considerable help from the U.S), Western Europe was also able to set up a social-democratic consensus that had mostly the same characteristics as ours (thriving economy, excellent safety net, strong unions, etc).
Now yes, the economy has gotten harder since the 1970s over there as well, and yes, there has been a shift towards more (comparatively speaking) free-market positions in the political system, but the bottom line is that the welfare state remains safe and secure. It’s only here that we have people crazy enough to call for a return to the Gilded Age.
77south said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:33
We were burning witches a lot longer than the rest of the western world
Nonsense! we have always been a forward thinking people, here in North America witches were hanged and accused witches were pressed (crushed under increasingly heavier weights) Burning witches is pure old world Europe barbarity.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:35
Cato douchebag Arnold Kling on the Tea Partiers a while back:
Part of the reason the Teabaggers are insane is they know better but don’t believe it.
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:38
Fixed for historical accuracy.
Willy said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:39
witches were pressed
Is that where ‘when pressed’ came from? Like “When pressed, the congressman confessed he was trolling for midgets.”
Just another information-gathering tool in the box with waterboarding…stoneboarding!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:39
So, here’s my question: have these things always been a part of the American character and have just become more and more common and visible? Or was there some sort of turning point in our history that has made us this way?
It was there under the surface but ignored (except for blacks, of course, and maybe native Americans).
Up until about 50 years ago, most families in America tolerated the other families around them, with some exceptions of course, because they were all just trying to feed their families and were working for an achievable American dream of a house and a car and an education for the kids so their lives will be better than the parents’.
Two things happened in the past fifty years:
- the rise of American consumerism
- the flat-lining of the American wage.
Put these two together and suddenly people are looking at a world where they can’t have it all, where the American Dream will have to be deferred if achieved at all.
Chris said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:44
To me, the part that makes it exceptionally dangerous in the US is the doctrine of American exceptionalism. In other places, when things are clearly going off the rails, people can (after much struggle) admit error and take corrective action. But the first law of US politics is that America Is Never Wrong and the second law of US politics is If America Is Wrong, See Rule Number One.
Yes. I agree completely.
And in that case, you had two turning points. One was World War Two, which brought American Exceptionalism to new heights (hey, we’re the guys who saved the world, haven’t you heard?) The other was Vietnam, which, by forcing Americans to confront the ugliness of our foreign policy, shook the American Exceptionalist consensus like nothing before.
The conservative reaction to Vietnam (unfortunately, most of the country’s) was to go “This was horrible. It made me feel guilty and question myself. Don’t ever show that on the news again.” Which is why you had the ramping up of the military-industrial complex under Reagan – he made Americans feel good about their military might, not by addressing the Vietnam problem, simply by sweeping it under the carpet, pretending it never happened and attacking anyone who brought it up as an unpatriotic troop-hater (which, despite the obvious fallacy, was exactly what most of the country wanted – it’s the comfortable way out). It’s why media coverage of the wars we’ve fought since then has been so sanitized and video-game-ized, with little to no attention paid to the destruction on the ground. And it’s why criticism of the Iraq war has almost exclusively been about the victimization of the American soldier, not the Iraqi people.
Vietnam showed American nationalism for the crock of shit it was, thus injuring the pride of those who believed in it and leading to the Reagan backlash. That’s my working theory for the moment. And the third world’s been paying the price ever since.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:44
Now yes, the economy has gotten harder since the 1970s over there as well, and yes, there has been a shift towards more (comparatively speaking) free-market positions in the political system, but the bottom line is that the welfare state remains safe and secure. It’s only here that we have people crazy enough to call for a return to the Gilded Age.
The Marshall Plan gave Europe and Japan the breathing room they needed, true. And they wisely (probably because they had the advantage of centuries more experience in these things) put some of the money into providing for their people, who suffered greatly during the war.
Conversely, America did not need a Marshall Plan because with the US as the sole economic force for decades, people were making money hand over fist and paying living wages for work, often through unions.
America’s Marshall Plan was the post-war GI bill, which didn’t pay for anything per se (maybe college) but provided low-cost financing so that people could afford to buy houses and an education.
Had America of the 50s and 60s looked at Europe and what they were instituting and made a full-out effort to provide that for our citizenry, things would have been very different.
LBJ tried, to be sure, but he was focused on redressing the segregation problems. Not incorrectly, but the focus could have been expanded.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:49
Shit. I had a post put together and lost it. FYWP.
I think it’s always been a part of our character. This country is huge, and had seemingly limitless resources. We just plucked it from the hands of the people who were already living here because we felt entitled to it.
As far as a turning point, I think all of you are onto something, and that it’s definitely been cumulative. But this pretty much reflects how I feel about it: The side effects of WW2 gave us a huge head-start relative to the rest of the West (untouched manufacturing infrastructure, imported academics/technology/science far in advance of what we were producing previously, etc, etc) but rather than taking that for the lucky break that it was and building on it we decided it was because we were Specially Blessed and the good times would last forever.
Additionally, the people who are in charge of this country right now are, by and large, Boomers*. They were raised during that prosperous post-war era, and view(ed) themselves as special people who were entitled to that prosperity. They’re not going to give it up without a fight, even if it fucks future generations over.
*I know I am painting with a broad brush, here. I know and love many awesome Boomers. But our consumption culture basically started with them; furthermore, they have refused to solve problems that deeply affect my generation (such as social security) because any solutions would require sacrifice from them.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:50
they have refused to solve problems that deeply affect my generation (such as social security) because any solutions would require sacrifice from them
You can have my check when you can pry it from my cold dead hands.
Progressive Center Left Grrl Voice of Truth said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:52
I always saw “peak wingnut” as an optimistic theory: it predicts a maximum level of craziness before things get more sane. The competing theory, the Wingularity, holds that the craziness will head off towards infinity at some finite time.
That’s the scary scenario.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 18:55
There’s also the Grand Unified Theory of Stoopidity (GUTS) which suggests that Wingnuttery is simply another form of teh crazee and exists in stasis.
Which of course satisfies the first law of thermodynamics.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:00
You can have my check when you can pry it from my cold dead hands.
That’s why we’re instituting death panels.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:00
It’d be hilarious to throw a scare into them.
I fully endorse the notion of large numbers of armed black men showing up at Teabagger rallies.
umm, yeah. Frightening a bunch of scared white aggrieved racists who are mostly insecure in their masculinity, and happen to be carrying penis-symbols. I can’t IMAGINE anything going wrong with that plan.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:03
Frightening a bunch of scared white aggrieved racists who are mostly insecure in their masculinity, and happen to be carrying penis-symbols. I can’t IMAGINE anything going wrong with that plan.
First off, you’re a zombie so I can’t imagine you’d be opposed to this idea. Think of all the injured who wouldn’t be able to run anymore.
Second, those same scared little bunny rabbits would end up missing a whole lot more than they’d hit.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:04
That’s why we’re instituting death panels.
Sorry, my decorator says they’ll clash with the wainscotting.
smedley said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:05
George Fucking Will has weighed in on the Arizona law:
“Arizonans should not be judged disdainfully and from a distance by people whose closest contacts with Hispanics are with fine men and women who trim their lawns and put plates in front of them at restaurants, not with illegal immigrants passing through their back yards at 3 a.m.”
This from a man who loves baseball, and hasn’t seemed to notice names like Pujols, Rodriguez, Gonzales dominating the rosters of Major League Baseball teams.
Progressive Center Left Grrl Voice of Truth said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:05
You can have my check when you can pry it from my cold dead hands.
You can have my fingers when you pry them from my cold dead hands. At least, that’s what the zombies say.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:06
Anyway, I’m not for eliminating Social Security, just for means testing and a more progressive form of taxation. And maybe it won’t be such a big problem when the millennials start working–there are more of them and they seem to be more ambitious than we are.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:08
Anyway, I’m not for eliminating Social Security, just for means testing and a more progressive form of taxation.
Listen, if it’s any consolation, I already decided that, if I don’t need the money I’m going to refuse my checks.
I wish I knew more people with that attitude but for some stupid reason, the $2100 they get back each month (which doesn’t even pay for their meals out) means something to them. Go fig.
Substance McGravitas said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:09
Means testing is a silly issue when minor tweaks keep the program rolling. It’s insurance: you pay in, it pays out.
I’m on board with progressive – and mean spirited! – taxation.
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:10
I’m not for eliminating Social Security
Good! This 64½ year old, who’s not really planning on working until she drops dead in the middle of a shift at age 85, thanks you. Even with the IRA and the 401k I’d be eating cat food…
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:10
Second, those same scared little bunny rabbits would end up missing a whole lot more than they’d hit.
I agree. They’d poop their pants before they’d even remember that they had guns. Let’s not forget what happened during Dan Riehl’s dangerous encounter with merciless thugs on the DC Metro.
Bitter Scribe said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:10
George Fucking Will has weighed in on the Arizona law:
“Arizonans should not be judged disdainfully and from a distance…”
This guy MAKES HIS FUCKING LIVING by judging things and people “disdainfully and from a distance.”
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:12
Let’s not forget what happened during Dan Riehl’s dangerous encounter with merciless thugs on the DC Metro.
yea, he sure put those negroes in their place…in his mind!
smedley said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:13
“I’m on board with progressive – and mean spirited! – taxation.”
How many more years could be bought just by removing the cap on contributions?
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:14
Anyway, I’m not for eliminating Social Security, just for means testing and a more progressive form of taxation.
Doing nothing more than eliminating the cap on ss-taxible income makes it work for the foreseeable future.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:15
Good! This 64½ year old, who’s not really planning on working until she drops dead in the middle of a shift at age 85, thanks you. Even with the IRA and the 401k I’d be eating cat food…
No, I would never ever propose that people go without it. People have paid into it and are counting on it. It’s just scaring the shit out of me. We’ll have Social Security and Medicare costs for the Boomers, as well as costs to take care of the largest number of disabled veterans in US history on top of our shrinking manufacturing base and whatever economic effects climate change may have.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:15
Anyway, I’m not for eliminating Social Security
In Russia, Social Security eliminates you.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:18
We’ll have Social Security and Medicare costs for the Boomers
See my badly misspelled comment above.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:18
I wish I knew more people with that attitude but for some stupid reason, the $2100 they get back each month (which doesn’t even pay for their meals out) means something to them. Go fig.
Me, too. If you need it, that’s fine with me! My resentment is burning, but fair. The fact that people who are more than capable of taking care of themselves are drawing Social Security checks while flatly refusing to support universal health care for people my age is what causes fucking RAGE.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:19
How many more years could be bought just by removing the cap on contributions?
The SSA figures an elmination of the cap would gain about six years, if benefits also were uncapped. If the benefits were capped at current maximums (based on $90,000 in earned income…this study was conducted mid-decade), it would buy seven years.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:19
We’ll have Social Security and Medicare costs for the Boomers
See my badly misspelled comment above.
I totally agree. I meant to include that in my original comment. Is that going to happen anytime soon?
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:20
The SSA figures an elmination of the cap would gain about six years, if benefits also were uncapped. If the benefits were capped at current maximums (based on $90,000 in earned income…this study was conducted mid-decade), it would buy seven years.
We’ve seen wildly different numbers.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:20
We’ll have Social Security and Medicare costs for the Boomers¹
¹veiled copraphilia reference
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:22
N__B, I can’t find a direct link to this report, but this is what I read:
Chris Chaplain, Actuary, and Alice H. Wade, Deputy Chief Actuary, Social Security Administration, “Estimated Long-Range OASDI Financial Effects of Eliminating the OASDI contribution and Benefit Base.”
PeeJ said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:23
Oh by the way, fuck you, Bill Donahue, fuck you to death with an ice auger.
Mysticdog said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:25
I think the Social-Security-Crisis and the Boring-Television-Crisis can be cosolved by the Boomer Gladiator League.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:25
He also volunteered at a women’s shelter and worked as an organiser of children’s parties
So he was on the cafeteria plan?
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:26
I think the Social-Security-Crisis and the Boring-Television-Crisis can be cosolved by the Boomer Gladiator League.
I was in favor of a draft for Iraq with a minimum age of 50.
Of course, I was only 45 then….
jim said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:26
Yeah, this.
If you pander to morons, you become indistinguishable from them.
Government is not a dildo (humorless or otherwise), it’s medicine.
If you’re lucky, it may come with pleasant artificial flavoring, but it’s not there to give you your jollies – it’s there so you don’t have to forage for firewood & food amid piles of smouldering rubble & pay tribute to your neighborhood warlord not to kill you.
The right in the US plays Dr. Feelgood to its “low-information” voting-bloc whenever it gets into power, & the result is invariably a lot of fresh corpses, a run on subpoenas & a bankrupt treasury. Their response to this is to keep amping up the same ideological backwash that led to said ugliness, to the point where now some of us are wondering if anything will be left standing next time they get control of America’s steering-wheel & decide to play Chicken with reality.
This might be a good time for some people (like emo white males) to slap some duct-tape over the yowling cakehole of their Inner Child for once – & start heeding the voice of their Inner Utilitarian.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:27
Actor –
This is the kind of thing I’m talking about: http://www.ssab.gov/Publications/Financing/actionshouldbetaken.pdf
On page 26, the SSA sure looks like they;re saying that 100% of the deficit goes away if the cap is removed for tax and kept for benefits; 88% of the deficit goes away if both caps are removed.
Also, when I googled, I noticed that I was seeing your numbers for places like “Heritage.org,” i.e., lying assholes. That doesn’t mean that the source you quoted isn’t right, but it makes me wonder.
Chris said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:29
“Arizonans should not be judged disdainfully and from a distance by people whose closest contacts with Hispanics are with fine men and women who trim their lawns and put plates in front of them at restaurants, not with illegal immigrants passing through their back yards at 3 a.m.”
Fuck you, you fucking child.
My closest contacts with Hispanics have all been in college, with East Coast city college students (some American and some foreign, some from rich backgrounds and some from dirt-poor ones). The only lawn-trimming I recall was done by me and my lily-white hands as a source of income.
To be fair, I should not be judging disdainfully and at a distance people who’ve had their lawns trimmed for so long by the same Mexicans they were shooting at the night before, that they can’t even conceive of a honkie doing such a lowly job.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:30
Well, in fairness, the top hit on the Google search for that report is a lefty site, one that despite that report suggests what you suggest.
I tend to think the actuarial bureaucracy at the SSA is less partisan than the executive staff. That’s not to say they couldn’t have been cooking up numbers for Bush, but then the same thing could be said about the link you just posted. We have to believe *somebody*
stryx said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:33
We’ll have Social Security and Medicare costs for the Boomers, as well as costs to take care of the largest number of disabled veterans in US history on top of our shrinking manufacturing base and whatever economic effects climate change may have.
Well, maybe a little less chatty and a little more workie, hmmmkay?
My petfood-free retirement depends on you.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:34
Funny how discussions about older white men always leads to Social Security. Keep the dang gubmint outta mah Social Security!
Ted the Slacker said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:35
Fuck you, you fucking child.
That was George Will, no?
As I read it, the shorter was, “You people don’t understand Arizona stereotypes.”
To which I say, well gee, neither does the Constitution, dickweed.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:37
I tend to think the actuarial bureaucracy at the SSA is less partisan than the executive staff.
Possibly, but there’s also framing of the numbers. The predicted year for bankruptcy has moved a lot over time, mostly further into the future. The actuaries always take the most conservative approach, which has been wrong a number of times.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:40
The actuaries always take the most conservative approach, which has been wrong a number of times.
Agreed. Likely the truth is in the middle somewhere. It’s probably not an indefinite solution, but it’s probably not a short term one, either.
Of course, all this goes away with the discovery of an eternal youth formula, allowing us all to train unicorns forever.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:41
It’s probably not an indefinite solution, but it’s probably not a short term one, either.
Yeah. But it suits Heritage and the other asswipes to publicize only one set of numbers.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:41
Funny how discussions about older white men always leads to Social Security.
Or erectile dysfunction.
Keep gubmint out of my Viagra!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:42
But it suits Heritage and the other asswipes to publicize only one set of numbers.
Sure, and it suited Clinton and the Democrats to take an issue out of Bush’s pocket too. In fact, I’d bet that actuarial study was prompted (if it was politicized) by pressure from Bush to justify privatization.
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:48
Keep gubmint out of my Viagra!
It sure as shit is covered by your prescription plan. Anything to do with ladies’ plumbing, welllll, that’s a crap shoot…
smedley said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:51
Has Tintin ever done a “portrait” of George Fucking Will? I must have missed it.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:51
Anything to do with ladies’ plumbing, welllll, that’s a crap shoot…
Drano is still cheap. /wingnut
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:52
Has Tintin ever done a “portrait” of George Fucking Will?
Who’s fucking Will, now? George Bush? The rotted corpse of George III? George Foreman?
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:55
Anything to do with ladies’ plumbing, welllll, that’s a crap shoot…
Drano is still cheap. /wingnut
You’re right. Come to think of it, so are wire coat hangers. (I’m old enough to remember that Doctors’ Hospital in NYC was where nice young ladies went when they had “appendicitis.” The young ladies who didn’t live on the Upper East Side, well, that’s who frequented back alley quacks.)
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:59
You’re right.
Of course. I’m a man, We hold all the secrets to solve women’s problems…just ask the OK legislature.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 19:59
It sure as shit is covered by your prescription plan.
You’d be surprised how few men actually let the insurance company pay for this.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:00
I’m old enough to remember that Doctors’ Hospital in NYC was where nice young ladies went when they had “appendicitis.”
And I’m old enough to have been one that the wire hangers missed. I was born in that hospital.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:01
You’d be surprised how few men actually let the insurance company pay for this.
Do tell.
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:03
I was born in that hospital.
Me too! I knew I sensed a kindred spirit!
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:05
Do tell.
Simple logic dictates this:
If a married man is having an affair and that’s why he gets Viagra, he’ll be damned if he’ll leave a paper trail with the insurance company, in case wifey gets hold of the benefits summary. If a married man is NOT having an affair but doesn’t want wifey to know that she’s become “less desirable” (in his mind that’s going to be her reaction), he’s not going to file for the insurance reimbursement.
So unless he’s not married, there’s at least two good reasons not to file a claim. Now, figure that something on the order of fifty percent of married men have had at least one mistress…let’s say 25% of men over a certain age who might need ED meds are having affairs and another ten percent are probably embarassed as hell by the need for ED meds.
So about one in three are probably not filing a claim. I’d bet the number is much higher.
Oregon Beer Snob said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:06
Well at least now we know that “Butthurt” in the “Whiteman and Butthurt” superhero duo is female. Mixed-gender superhero duos are always the best.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:06
I knew I sensed a kindred spirit!
Twelve years later, but kindred nonetheless!
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:07
My god. Actor is Glenn Beck.
Esteve said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:10
My god. Actor is Glenn Beck.
Logic dictates: Glenn Beck is (an) Actor!
Chris said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:13
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100428/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1831
First of all, I fucking hate the background noise they play in these political adds, regardless of how I feel about what’s being said. Worse than fucking elevator music.
Second, I’m curious… does Alabama actually have an immigration problem? I know the border states (of the old Confederacy) do, I know Texas does, I know Florida does… but the Deep South? How many people are there who immigrate down there? I feel like the combination of being a shithole and being a proud racist stronghold would militate against that.
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:14
My god. Actor is Glenn Beck.
You take that back right now. There are things that are simply not acceptable, even on this blog. Now apologize.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:15
I’m very deeply sorry that Actor is Glenn Beck.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:17
Actually, Actor’s numerology reminds me more of Louis Farrakhan then Beck, but I was trying to be fashionable.
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:17
Actor is Glenn Beck.
YOU BASTARD!
STOP JUDGING ME!
Mysticdog said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:19
The 5/7 year numbers aren’t passing the smell test for me. There has to be another set of conditions involved.
Ohhh… nevermind, I know why. The people at the top of the income bracket don’t make their money on wages. They make it on low/non-taxed investment income that wouldn’t get payroll taxed anyway.
For instance, the 2007 IRS report on the top 400 declared incomes showed only 6% of that came through salary wages on average. That was for people making over $183 million, but I would bet even down at the $500,000 threshold that less than half of that income was payroll taxable .
Lurking Canadian said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:24
So unless he’s not married, there’s at least two good reasons not to file a claim. Now, figure that something on the order of fifty percent of married men have had at least one mistress…let’s say 25% of men over a certain age who might need ED meds are having affairs and another ten percent are probably embarassed as hell by the need for ED meds.
OK, but if he’s on a train that leaves Chicago at 5pm, and there’s a 50% chance of snow, at what time does he need to take the pill Mr. Smarty Pants?
actor212 said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:26
OK, but if he’s on a train that leaves Chicago at 5pm, and there’s a 50% chance of snow, at what time does he need to take the pill Mr. Smarty Pants?
Last October, in the library with the candlestick
Oregon Beer Snob said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:27
Golf clap for the NSVZR (not-so-veiled Zappa Reference).
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:27
I’m very deeply sorry that Actor is Glenn Beck.
Oh, man…that is low…
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:28
The people at the top of the income bracket don’t make their money on wages.
The average specialty physician in this country pulls down probably something in the neighborhood of 250,000 to 400,000 as taxable income. (I’m pulling that number out of my butt because, like Teh Pantload, I can’t be troubled to Gazoogle it, but I doubt I’m far off.) Remove the cap on all salaries in that range and we’d have a start…
Oregon Beer Snob said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:28
And actor, I can’t quite follow what you’re trying to say about the whole Viagra thing. Could you perhaps sketch it out a bit more? Maybe even draw it out on a chalkboard for us?
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:28
Oh, man…that is low…
I’m not the one waving my hands in front of a blackboard full of viagra conspiracy theory.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:29
Simple logic dictates this:
Egads, I hope I never grow old. Imagine needing pharmaceutical supplements to satisfy your mistress. What a sad state of PENIS.
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:32
Imagine needing pharmaceutical supplements to satisfy your
mistressmom. What a sad state of PENIS.Fiqqst for greater D-KWness.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:32
I’m not the one waving my hands in front of a blackboard full of viagra conspiracy theory.
Well, I think he’s right besides the numbers he pulled out of his ass.
Wait. OMG. “OLIGARHY” and “Viagra” are both spelled with an even number of letters! Therefore, OLIGARHY=Viagra! You’re right, N__B!
Oregon Beer Snob said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:32
Stop making fun of John McCain!
stryx said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:33
does Alabama actually have an immigration problem
Well, depends on how you define problem.
Some might just say Laissez les bons temps rouler.
They’ve got a King and Queen and everything.
But really, yes they have immigrants, done had ‘em for a while now:
N__B said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:35
Alabama ranks fifth in the rate of immigrant growth
Maybe the furriners think that if they move there they get mobile phones.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:42
Nonetheless, Alabama ranks fifth in the rate of immigrant growth among all states this decade and, perhaps even more importantly, it ranks third behind North Dakota and Kentucky in its proportion of immigrants who arrived in the United States since 2000.
Yeah, uh, this is a key thing we need to remember about the “immigration debate.” A lot of rural communities have seen huge, sudden influxes of immigrants and, of course, this freaks people the fuck out. It can definitely be a strain on social services in places where they were poor to begin with. So there’s a confluence of Teh Brown Menace “taking over” conservative small towns very, very quickly along with the subsequent impact on resources and social services. Bad, bad scene.
tigris said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:56
“I think a lot of white men, a few Republicans but mostly independents, are the people leaving Obama in droves,” said Aubrey Jewett, a political scientist at the University of Central Florida. “Realistically the Democrats don’t think they have a chance of getting them back between now and November.”
I think you’re full of shit.
LittlePig said,
April 28, 2010 at 20:59
but the Deep South? How many people are there who immigrate down there? I feel like the combination of being a shithole and being a proud racist stronghold would militate against that.
Here in Arkansas (not really the Deep South) there is a big Hispanic presence in the western part of the state working for Tyson, so it is probably job specific (Coincidentially I heard a UALR professor noting on a public radio spot that Arkansas has the highest population of Marshall Islanders in the continental US, largely because of Tyson).
All I know is that I love that my local grocery store has Mexicans sodas, fresh tomatillos, 14 kinds of peppers and Coca-cola with sure ’nuff cane sugar, which it sure as hell wouldn’t have without all the Hispanic folk, FSM bless ‘em. There’s some of that crazy “true American” crap, but not nearly as much as other states (like freaking Illinois and Indiana – I mean for God’s sake, how many Mexicans are in Illinois, twelve? Sheesh).
And this fat white male, two days away from being 51, actually got out and campaigned for the black guy, something I hadn’t done since Dale Bumpers ran for Governor. I fucking well exist, and I kinda like the black guy, although he is waaaay too centrist for my taste.
Mysticdog said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:00
The average specialty physician in this country pulls down probably something in the neighborhood of 250,000 to 400,000 as taxable income. (I’m pulling that number out of my butt because, like Teh Pantload, I can’t be troubled to Gazoogle it, but I doubt I’m far off.) Remove the cap on all salaries in that range and we’d have a start…
Oh, I’m not arguing it wouldn’t help. It just won’t be as effective as we’d like to think, because there aren’t that many people making incomes above 90K, even less over 250K, and those that do tend to get increasingly large amounts of their income from non-payroll sources.
That isn’t to say that taxing the wealthy a small percent isn’t the way to go to fix the problem, it just that it might need a different vehicle than payroll taxes.
Mysticdog said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:00
FYWP!
Turbine Yukon Palin said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:01
Does anyone else picture Bill Donohue mouthing “Call me” after he says this? Making that little phone-receiver gesture with his hands?
No?
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:02
I kinda like the black guy, although he is waaaay too
centristcorporatist for my taste.Fixed to reflect my personal pique.
tigris said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:06
“It will be up to each of you to make sure that the young people, African-Americans, Latinos and women, who powered our victory in 2008, stand together once again,” Obama said. “It will be up to each of you to keep our nation moving forward.”
Conservatives said the move was racially divisive — asking rhetorically what would happen if a president called for unity among white voters to win an election.
They really can’t see the difference between motivating just white people to vote for them vs motivating a racially and culturally diverse group including young people and women of all races? “He wants whites, blacks, AND hispanics to vote for him! How racially divisive! Why, what if we were to act like only white votes were important to us, what then?” Golly, I can’t even imagine such a thing!
Tehanu said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:07
K-Lo wannabe Julie Mason
That alone is the saddest thing I’ve ever read on the Intertoobz.
justme said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:11
Duncan Hunter weighs in, proving that the “Stupid” dial does indeed go to 11.
LittlePig said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:11
Fixed to reflect my personal pique.
Works for me.
I mean, I know I’m not going to get what I want, but I get tried of these “Leave Obama alooone!” people. People need to make a noise on the left so “reasonable politicians” can come down in the middle, and so far this decade the middle has been just of the left of Ghengis Khan.
It’s like PETA. They’re nuts, they’re annoying, and they are absolutely necessary. The left has been way too reasonable with these unreasonable conservatives these last many years.
And I’d call 100 armed Black Panthers at a Tea Party rally a good damn start. If black folk were saying what the Tea Partiers go on about, they’d have been locked up a long time ago. Whereas if old privileged white goomers call for Revolution, it’s “quaint” “free speech”.
stryx said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:12
¿cuántos
Alabama
Arkansas
Illinois
Indiana
Ohio
and for the dead guy
justme said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:13
Therein lies the crux of the biscuit.
LittlePig said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:15
Therein lies the crux of the biscuit.
I tried that line here the other day and got absolutely nuttin’. I hope your luck is better.
Damn young whippersnappers!
77south said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:16
Therein lies the crux of the biscuit.
I can only assume biscuits are shaped quite a bit differently in your part of the country.
LittlePig said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:17
More than twelve? Well, I’ll be damned.
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:17
Not everyone is ancient enough to recall Zappa…
LittlePig said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:19
Not everyone is ancient enough to recall Zappa…
Well hell, I’m not old enough to have known Beethoven, but I do have a passing familiarity with the man’s music.
smedley said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:19
Hey! What happened to actor? What time is Beck’s show on?
Marion in Savannah said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:29
True, LittlePig, but even giving Zappa full credit he’s no Beethoven. /Lloyd Bentsen
Nix said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:39
Julie knows this because she has a white penis?
I always love these douche-bags ranting about shit they have no grasp of themselves.
justme said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:44
In case nobody got the money quote from my linky above,
So, Dunky. How many generations is that good for? I don’t think my ancestors got any paperwork when they landed on Plymouth fucking Rock, so I guess I’m out too.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:47
So, Dunky. How many generations is that good for? I don’t think my ancestors got any paperwork when they landed on Plymouth fucking Rock, so I guess I’m out too.
If you’re American Indian, do you get to stay? I don’t know how I’ll separate my tiny bit of Cherokee from my overwhelming whiteness, but maybe one of my fingers can stick around?
77south said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:57
Ahh crap. I’m a mutt. since the goal here seems to be promoting ethnic purity I hope the bits of me that end up in Ireland, Germany, the Czech republic and Norway are happy.
Willy said,
April 28, 2010 at 21:59
Hey! What happened to actor? What time is Beck’s show on?
This is how they figured out Spiderman’s identity too.
LittlePig said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:03
“Would you support deportation of natural-born American citizens that are the children of illegal aliens,” Hunter was asked. “I would have to, yes,” Hunter said.
Michelle Malkin! *crack* You’rrrrrreee outta here!
Substance McGravitas said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:03
“Ha ha! Busted! You’re wholly admirable!”
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:04
This is how they figured out Spiderman’s identity too.
Peter Parker had a show on Fox?
Chris said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:05
I mean, I know I’m not going to get what I want, but I get tried of these “Leave Obama alooone!” people. People need to make a noise on the left so “reasonable politicians” can come down in the middle, and so far this decade the middle has been just of the left of Ghengis Khan.
It’s like PETA. They’re nuts, they’re annoying, and they are absolutely necessary. The left has been way too reasonable with these unreasonable conservatives these last many years.
Sounds reasonable to me – those kinds of conflicts are a hell of a lot more fun when both people play.
Right now, we’ve got one party resolutely trucking back towards the Gilded Age (to be used as a springboard to the radiant future Ayn Rand would have wanted) with the support of an army of neo-Confederate voters, and, on the other side, a vaguely centrist party desperately trying to hold the center.
Yes, by all means, do bring back the extremists. Bring back the political machines that allowed Democrats to survive the Gilded Age – the Repubs have a nationwide one, I think we can afford a few here and there. Bring back the hardcore populists in union neighborhoods and minority neighborhoods. And make sure they open fire on the Democrats in office with both barrels whenever they drift too far to the right.
It worked with Huey Long.
George Will said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:05
This from a man who loves baseball, and hasn’t seemed to notice names like Pujols, Rodriguez, Gonzales dominating the rosters of Major League Baseball teams.
Oh I’ve noticed but there are so few negros in the game compared to much of the post Jackie Robinson era that I can live with it.
tigris said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:09
“Would you support deportation of natural-born American citizens that are the children of illegal aliens,” Hunter was asked. “I would have to, yes,” Hunter said.
He would HAVE to! Aw, he’s not a racist by choice, he’s had racism thrust upon him (STS). It’s so sad!
Substance McGravitas said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:13
Fuckin’ white men! How do they work?
tigris said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:13
Hey! What happened to actor? What time is Beck’s show on?
This is how they figured out Spiderman’s identity too.
I hope if Actor can shoot a strand of silk from his butt he would put photos and an in depth description of the process in a newsletter or “web log,” because there are many who would be interested in the mechanism.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:16
Fuckin’ white men! How do they work?
What? Am I supposed to talk to a scientist about that? Those lying motherfuckers piss me off.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:18
Also, Sub, my co-workers are staring at me. Due to the snorting and spitting out of Diet Coke that took place while reading your comment.
Smut Clyde said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:22
Peak Wingnut is approaching.
Time for our regular Third Policeman QOTD:
Mysticdog said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:22
Fuckin’ white men! How do they work?
We have people for that. Work gets in the way of the important stuff, like networking and golf.
stryx said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:26
Fuckin’ white men! How do they work?
Miracles, is how
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:28
Fuckin’ rainbows after it rains…
S. cerevisiae said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:42
I agree on bringing back a few good ol’ fashioned extremists. MN used to have a strong social ist tradition and strong unions. For fun I used to leave copies of Labor World in the breakroom of the casino I worked at part time. While not exactly Pravda I noticed they never lasted long there before management threw them out.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
April 28, 2010 at 22:49
I think the ICP video killed everybody dead.
Ben said,
April 28, 2010 at 23:34
Not even going to the rim of the boat for this one.
Oregon Beer Snob said,
April 28, 2010 at 23:57
AHEM
Whale Chowder said,
April 28, 2010 at 23:58
Almost On Topic: David Duke comes to the rescue of the teabaggers: “they’re just like me!”
Can’t think of a more appropriate person to defend cranky old white people who just want to “get [their] country back!” — yeah, back to the good old days of Jim Crow.
justme said,
April 29, 2010 at 0:43
Fuckin’ ‘ell.
I remember the “Vote for the crook, it’s important” bumper stickers from Duke’s LA Governor bid.
smut clyde said,
April 29, 2010 at 1:02
She’s PAID for that shit.
Sorry, whose mum are we talking about now?
Big Bad Bald Bastard said,
April 29, 2010 at 1:27
“Arizonans should not be judged disdainfully and from a distance by people whose closest contacts with Hispanics are with fine men and women who trim their lawns and put plates in front of them at restaurants, not with illegal immigrants passing through their back yards at 3 a.m.”
Fuck George Will with a weed-whacker! I have known Hispanics all my life, I have worked with them, worked for them, had them work for me, partied with them, had sexual relatations with them- fuck George Will!
Here he is judging disdainfully and from a distance people who judge Arizonans disadainfully and from a distance.
Did I remember to type out FUCK GEORGE WILL?
Whale Chowder said,
April 29, 2010 at 1:52
Did I remember to type out FUCK GEORGE WILL?
Yes, I believe you might have mentioned that…let me check the record…
Yup.
Bilo said,
April 29, 2010 at 6:24
A scary vagina that shoots animals? From a helicopter? I’d pay to see that! Maybe this could replace the T-shirt cannon at sports arenas… Steve Martin’s kitten juggling seems quaint by comparison, if kittens could shoot of that vagina.
deering said,
April 29, 2010 at 14:06
“I can’t STAND Sandra Bullock. No reason, really, except she reminds me of a girl I went to school with who was a real two-faced back-stabber. Or maybe it’s all that “America’s Sweetheart” claptrap.”
Hurm–rumor has it that Reese Witherspoon is far more guilty of the above than Bullock could ever be. ;)
actor212 said,
April 29, 2010 at 14:48
Hey! What happened to actor? What time is Beck’s show on?
I had to, ummmm, I had a doctor’s appointment.
actor212 said,
April 29, 2010 at 14:49
I hope if Actor can shoot a strand of silk from his butt he would put photos and an in depth description of the process in a newsletter or “web log,” because there are many who would be interested in the mechanism.
Y’know, my high fibre diet fixed that problem.
Bilo said,
April 30, 2010 at 0:42
Great Society: LBJ also a little side tracked by the war. Which he couldn’t back down on, lest the red meat authoritarians yell, PUSSY! (IMHO, that’s cowardly, too, doing the dumb thing because you’re afraid they’ll call you a pussy.)
Dem is party still paying the price (we swear! we’re not pussies!) for being the grown ups that said we need to get out of that mess. Nixon, meanwhile, decided it was a waste of time around, oh, 1966. Not that he ever said that in public. Not when there’s a presidency to be had. And then keep.
Howzabout a big anti teabag parade, big black men, not with guns, but waving big black dildos? That would freak out the teabaggers out even more.
A concerned citizen said,
April 30, 2010 at 1:42
modus ponendo pwnin’!
cripes said,
May 2, 2010 at 3:23
Waitagoddamnminnit.
Having a corporate toady with a brown face like Obummer warming the leather in the white(!) house is small consolation for centuries of colonial exploitation.
Don’t you get it? HE IS THE WHITE POWER STRUCTURE’S ANSWER TO THE BROWN RABBLE. It goes right along with stoking poor white’s anger towards uppity brown people, and stroking the brown suckers who think Obama is “their” guy. Think again.
And the confused flailing of disenfranchised white males (and females) re: immigration and welfare Negroes notwithstanding; will the left continue to concede the incoherent populist anger against the banker regime to the fucking REPUBLICANS? By continuing to back that corporate piece of shit Obama? Are you kidding?
Don’t forget you can find plenty of nativist assholes in every color. Check your family closet.
Snarky comments may amuse you college-bred diversity tramps, but all I hear is a bunch of privileged assholes hoping they will ascend to the same crappy privilege they envy (some) white males for holding all these years.
So they can be just like them.
You aren’t fit to carry Henry Wallace’s jockstrap.