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You gotta fight for your rights
Not sure where Garry Allyn DeManty is going with this letter to USA Today:
Yes, I believe that gays should be able to serve, but they should serve in a way that does not violate anyone else’s civil rights. [Emphasis added]
Is there really a right not to work with homos? Where did that come from? Did DeManty have anything to add? Oh yes:
Members of this administration, from the president down, like to open their mouths first [.]
That’s all the time we have for today.
commie atheist said,
February 11, 2010 at 21:54
Shorter DeManty: Why do these gays keep trying to shove their agenda down my throat?
Substance McGravitas said,
February 11, 2010 at 21:58
Would they be allowed to shoot people?
pedestrian said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:04
I prefer the next letter:
That’s great except,
A) In a democratic republic, civilians run the military, the military doesn’t run the government. This is actually not an oversight, but by design. If you want to change military policy, the last place you should be is the military.
B) It is stupid bordering on cruel to tell gay people that if they want to be able to legally serve, they should enlist.
Doug Pursley in 1964 said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:09
If black people want civil rights, why don’t they get off their lazy asses and vote for them?
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:13
but they should serve in a way that does not violate anyone else’s civil rights.
Personally, I’d like to go back to the Roman gods and goddesses dressed in togas and loincloths serving drinks by the tiki bar, but I digress.
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:14
Why do I get the feeling Demented wrote this with the Village People in mind?
o/~ They want you! They want you! They want you as a new recruit! o/~
Lesley said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:15
Garry Allyn DeManty has violated my eyeballs. How do I proceed with a prosecution?
Lesley said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:17
“Members”
heh.
tigrismus said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:17
Would they be allowed to shoot people?
Not in the face, nor in the pooper, but if they do it’s still OK as long as they don’t tell anyone. That’s what we call STANDARDS.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:21
Ahem.
Davis said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:25
Conservative Christians have a First Amendment right to shove their religion down our throat. Their blood-engorged, throbbing religion between our moist lips and right down our throats. It’s right there in the Constitution!
Mark D said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:27
Wait — so it doesn’t read: “Life, liberty, and the pursuit of bigotry”?!
The Teabagger folks are going to be awfully confused … if they ever bother reading the actual document, that is.
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:27
Garry Allyn DeManty
His name. The spelling is so totally….un….heterosexual! And American. Also.
I mean, it should be spelled “Gary Allen (or Alan) Demantee”!
What is Garry hiding in his closet?
Looch said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:31
Wh
aty is Garry hiding in his closet?Better, no?
Turbine Yukon Palin said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:32
Damn faggots, being all exist-y and infringing on my civil rights by breathing. I’m the victim here!!!
Marion in Savannah said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:33
Are we sure that this guy isn’t related to Jim DeMint? There seems to be a familial sort of stoopid here.
pedestrian said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:33
DeManty
Shouldn’t that be da MAN tease?
Ah! Oh! Spllf! tomatoes no! Hack! Oooh a cucumber!
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:42
Ol’ Garry Allyn has a history of writing cranky crackpot letters, apparently…
PeeJ said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:43
I suspect foul play: Garry Allyn DeManty == Drag Tyranny Lamely
kate said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:52
“But the people who know best are the enlisted heterosexual soldiers who work closely with gays in the military and live with them day to day. They are the people who should be testifying before Congress.”
Ok, so I’m thinking of how as a woman, I am forced to work along side and even expected to marry men, although everyday I see how they rape and beat up women. And you say gay guys are scary and you don’t want to bunk with them and we’re supposed to protect you?
“Changing the current policy could undermine that trust. Remember that if a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine fails to do his job correctly and efficiently, someone could die.”
Wow, I think that the fact that the military refuses to change their policy on how they deal with rape and sexual harassment gives a lot of women good reason to not trust — any men or the military.
But, you say that gay folks are not trust worthy, because they……….?
Spreadsheets are looking good compared to attempting a grain of sense to a wingnut mind. I think I’ll get back to work.
PeeJ said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:52
Gay Rental, dry manly
Garry Allyn DeManty said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:53
Hello, SadlyNo.com, I see you found my letters to the editor. I dont have any probem with homosexuals the problem is on your end. You seem to think that you can impose any agenda on the will of the public and this is wrong, we are in a free society with liberty, not tyranny. the Majority of people do not want these people serving, and you must respect that. Obama needs to shut his mouth and let the military do its job but he has not shown this by refusing to meet with general McCrystal. He has endangered milions and maybe milions more will be effected by his policies about the military. I hope you people understand this and maybe you will see it my way. Garry
PeeJ said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:54
Is there really a right not to work with homos?
No. There is however the GOD GIVEN RIGHT to not have to shower with homos, but only ig you know who is a home because otherwise it’s all just your imagination.
Substance McGravitas said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:54
That’s awesome.
PeeJ said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:55
eff. typing fail. DTs probably.
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:55
Remember that if a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine fails to do his job correctly and efficiently, someone could die.
Clearly, we could experiment with this thesis: we could arrange our entire society, our entire culture, around breeding soldiers.
We could rename ourselves “Sparta”
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrwhoo!
Substance McGravitas said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:55
You can tell you’re showering with a homo when you get all tingly down there.
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:56
Garrrrrrrrrrrrrry, specifically, what Constitutional rights would gays in the military revoke from heterosexuals already serving?
Please be specific.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:56
FYWP. DeManty does indeed have a history of wingtarditude letter writing, and I had fantabulously linky documentation for it too. Anyways, I’ll just leave with one. Regarding the 2008 elections, Garry Allyn DeManty Ruppert says bookmark this, libs.
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:58
I dont have any probem with homosexuals the problem is on your end.
What is Garry’s fascination with gay men and ends?
And why does he spell his name in a totally non-manly way?
And why is he always writing to the paper in San Francisco?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Whale Chowder said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:58
You can tell you’re showering with a homo when you get all tingly down there.
Hm. I thought that was athlete’s foot.
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:59
FYWP. DeManty does indeed have a history of wingtarditude letter writing, and I had fantabulously linky documentation for it too. Anyways, I’ll just leave with one. Regarding the 2008 elections, Garry Allyn DeManty Ruppert says bookmark this, libs.
*AHEM*
RobNYNY said,
February 11, 2010 at 22:59
Garry Allyn DeManty
Try all randy gay men.
Gladly ram ye, tranny
Edgy all-tranny army.
Anal entry, my dry gal.
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:00
Um, y’know, I wonder how many times a day ol’ Garry Allyn Googles himself?
And does he know he’ll go blind?
stackozone said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:03
Actually, it’s Pat
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:03
Yardman Ally Gentry
Lay Man Grandly, Tyre
Dearly Gantry Manly
Madly Large Tyranny (dead giveaway)
Mad Largely Tyranny
A Lament Angry Dryly
A Rental Mangy Dryly (another tell)
And there’s a few dozen that start “anally” here
Rusty Shackleford said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:07
What happened to honor and tradition, Garry? Why don’t you want privates to stand at attention when a handsome officer walks by?
commie atheist said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:09
Ol’ Garry Allyn has a history of writing cranky crackpot letters, apparently…
So, basically, Garry is the wingnut version of Ellie Light?
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/01/27/ellie-light/
kate said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:09
Oh, its him, I should have known, what a waste of my time.
PeeJ said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:09
I don’t know whether I’m happy or worried to have started rolling the anagram ball.
And there’s a few dozen that start “anally”
Happy, I think.
map106 said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:09
Funny. He spells his name with two Rs, but can’t seem to get the hang of “millions”.
RobNYNY said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:10
Is there any institution that has separate shower facilities for gay men? High school, university, athletic club? How does it manage to work out in those places without gay-only facilities?
Substance McGravitas said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:13
It’s hard.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:15
the Majority of people do not want these people serving, and you must respect that.
Sadly, no!
The Gaymosexual agenda has been shoved down the American people’s throats and they LIKE IT.
PeeJ said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:15
How does it manage to work out in those places without gay-only facilities?
Liquid-soap dispensers.
Commander Coriander Salamander said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:15
“actor212 said,
They want you! They want you! They want you as a new recruit!”
That song is gonna be stuck in my head for a while, and I’m pretty happy about that. As far as head-sticking songs go, this is a great one. I’ll thrown in the album “Live and Sleazy” for the drive home. :)
Rusty Shackleford said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:16
From USA Today commenter “American Veteran”:
Because the gay is so powerful that a gay man’s attention must always be focused on his next recruit even when there are FUCKING BULLETS AND SHELLS FLYING RIGHT OVER HIS HEAD
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:18
Is there any institution that has separate shower facilities for gay men?
Well, technically, the Ramrod in the West Village had showers, and I don’t remember any straight men who went into them.
Oh. Except Larry Craig. Of course.
Mark D said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:18
At first I thought the Garry here was a spoof.
After reading his comment (and noticing that he once again doesn’t understand the difference between “actual legal rights” and “things Garry doesn’t like”) it just may be the real deal.
Enjoy your stay, Anally Dray Rent Gym. Hope your therapist bill is paid up, ’cause you’re going to have nightmares about this place for weeks.
::insert evil laugh here::
(And, no, that wasn’t a veiled Dr. Evil penis reference, nor is there any kind of newsletter or website.)
tsam said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:19
“The Teabagger folks are going to be awfully confused … if they ever bother reading the actual document, that is.”
Hooked on Phonics did not work for them.
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:20
Because the gay is so powerful that a gay man’s attention must always be focused on his next recruit even when there are FUCKING BULLETS AND SHELLS FLYING RIGHT OVER HIS HEAD
Or even if you’re the guy next to the gay guy, clearly you’ll be soooooooo distracted with thoughts of his tongue piercing your mouth and slithering around yours, tugging it deep into his throat as his hands slip down the front of your ubertight camos that you’ll leap straight up four feet in the air and be killed by crossfire.
Now, pardon me while I take a long warm shower…
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:22
stuck in a foxhole with another guy that is gay
Veiled DP reference.
Smut Clyde said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:22
I recommend members of the public get off their rear ends
stuck in a foxhole
WHAT???!!
Mark D said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:25
Personally, if I have some guy covering my ass, I want that guy to think my ass is cute. Maybe he’ll try harder.*
–Paraphrase of some comedian
(*This is surely in reference to something.)
Rusty Shackleford said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:26
If I were in a foxhole I’d be more concerned about becoming a data point than a statistic. Although I guess bullets and shells whizzing by might make a person a little mean.
Mark D said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:27
What did work for them was the quickly-growing alternative: Hooked on Stupid.
Xecky Gilchrist said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:28
Hooked on Phonics did not work for them.
Of course not – it doesn’t have that long skinny “f” they used to use for “s” in the old Constitutional days.
Substance McGravitas said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:28
I laffered.
Shorter Every Conservative, Ever, Always said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:29
My rights are what I imagine them to be, and people I disagree with have no rights.
tigrismus said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:30
…who wants to be stuck in a foxhole with another guy that is gay when it’s concentrate on your job or become a statistic?
Hee hee, it’s more likely the Young Republican in the foxhole who will fall on you while you’re sleeping and blow you by accident. If one were ever to enlist, that is. IOW, just because YOU can’t stop thinking about gay sex doesn’t mean everybody else can’t.
Rusty Shackleford said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:34
Hee hee, it’s more likely the Young Republican in the foxhole who will fall on you while you’re sleeping and blow you by accident.
Never happen. No Young Republican will ever be in a foxhole.
tsam said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:35
Geez Garry, so many logical flaws I don’t even know where to begin. I guess I’ll just have to say that you don’t know what you’re talking about and leave it at that. But I will point out the most infuriating one–don’t open your idiot mouth and use the word tyranny when trying to defend tyranny.
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:35
dear sadly no you think your so smart well wakeup. your violating are god given constitutional rights not to see what a dorkasaurus you are ew. the vast overwhelming majority of us hear at this high school want you to leave which we have determined by just shut up
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:36
blow you by accident
I swear, I thought it was a candy cane.
atheist in a foxhole said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:37
Great. Now I’ve gotta share my aphorism with a bunch of queers.
Garry said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:38
Smut Clyde said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:22
I recommend members of the public get off their rear ends
stuck in a foxhole
WHAT???!!
You heard me. How YOU doin’?
Mark D said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:42
Those weren’t red and white stripes, you fool! It was a rash!
I hope you gotta good dentist and/or epidemiologist …
Substance McGravitas said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:49
What if they called a war and everybody came instead?
actor212 said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:50
Bill Clinton hospitalized
Whale Chowder said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:51
“…I hope you people understand this and maybe you will see it my way.”
I’d have a better hope of understanding if you’d write in English instead of Stupid. However, Las Vegas is currently pegging* the odds of me seeing it your way ad eleventy-billion-to-one.
*haw.
Whale Chowder said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:52
s/ad/at/
Distracted by the VPR.
tigrismus said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:52
Let me see if I have their rhetoric right: if straight male soldiers can’t control themselves around women the women are to blame and should be kept out of the military, but if gay men can’t control themselves around straight men blame the gays and keep them out?
g said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:58
they should serve in a way that does not violate anyone else’s civil rights.
what’s he worried about? Are the gay soldiers going to prevent the straight ones from eating at their lunch counters?
PeeJ said,
February 11, 2010 at 23:58
Well, technically, the Ramrod in the West Village had showers, and I don’t remember any straight men who went into them.
Now that I think about it, The Toilet had showers too. If you know what I mean.
pedestrian said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:05
Because the gay is so powerful that a gay man’s attention must always be focused on his next recruit even when there are FUCKING BULLETS AND SHELLS FLYING RIGHT OVER HIS HEAD
There are no heterosexuals in foxholes
noen said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:07
That is privilege talking. I’ve run into the same attitude with evangelicals who think that it is their god given right to do whatever the fuck they want and that anyone who says otherwise is interfering with their constitutional rights. Doesn’t matter if it’s race, religion or sexuality, privilege always feels it must reserve something for itself. It is never content being just one among many. That’s socialism!
The Tragically Flip said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:09
Pam Geller thinks she knows President Reagan better than his own son, hilarity ensues.
FlipYrWhig said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:13
they should serve in a way that does not violate anyone else’s civil rights
Impossible. Conservative originalists would tell you that having gay soldiers at all technically counts as “quartering.” Because gay dudes are like half-men, um, multiplied. Nino Scalia explained it all once.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:22
I’ve run into the same attitude with evangelicals who think that it is their god given right to do whatever the fuck they want and that anyone who says otherwise is interfering with their constitutional rights.
I blame Calvin.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:25
Now that I think about it, The Toilet had showers too.
means you were hanging out in a Winnebago?
Looch said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:28
I hope you people understand this and maybe you will see it my way. Garry
Um, no.
noen said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:28
“I blame Calvin.”
Hobbes haz a sad and misses playing Calvin ball.
Andrew N.P. said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:33
You’ve got it backwards. They’re worried about whether straight men can control themselves around g4y men. After all, there are already gays in the military, and even though they know they’re g4y, they still manage to control their burning and insatiable desire for c0ck. But if you let the straight soldiers know that there are g4y guys in their unit (heh heh, unit), they might be tempted toward the Dark Side, and suddenly everyone’s too busy having Greco-Roman 0rgies to defend our country from MUSLAMIST TERR. Which is entirely the g4ys’ fault, of course.
And FYWP. This comment isn’t spam, no matter how much you may say it is. Seriously, who programmed this crappy filter? Oh, it says right down there. Pole Position Marketing (heh heh, pole). Well, Pole Position Marketing can bite my ass. Maybe if you had the audacity to tell me what about my comment seems so spammy. I mean, automated spam-bots can’t read, so this would only benefit actual humans.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:34
I hope you people understand this and maybe you will see it my way. Garry
Um, no.
yeah, since gay people have ALWAYS been in the military, teh idea that allowing them in will cause some dissolution is clearly bullshit.
However, Garry, I have some insurance to sell you….
Chris said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:35
“Yes, I believe that gays should be able to serve, but they should serve in a way that does not violate anyone else’s civil rights.”
Try this for logic; people have a civil right to be offended that other people are gay (it’s called free thought), but neither these people nor the government have the right to penalize people for the prejudices of other people, which is why we had a civil rights movement. If people are offended that the military employs gays, they can choose to serve or not to serve, but it goes against the entire spirit of individual rights to tell someone “no, you can’t serve because it would hurt this other dude’s feelings if you did.” That really shouldn’t be too hard to understand.
Andrew N.P. said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:36
Okay, so by the rigorous process of trial and error, I’ve determined that an abundance of the word “gay” in a comment will cause it to be spammed out. Good to know, and again, FYWP.
Esther said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:42
People around my campus tend to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay far left on this (and most other) issues and it’s so hard to get through to them. I try to explain that there’s nothing more important than the military when it comes to preserving our rights to be expressive and artistic. My grandfather always told me that when you’re looking over soldiers you want to see a certain roughness, a certain viciousness, a certain sense of macho stupidity. I mean face it, that’s what makes our soldiers the best soldiers in the world. I’m all for giving gay people rights to do whatever, but the change needs to come slowly, in increments, with due deference to those very same qualities that make our troops good troops.
pedestrian said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:43
Pam Geller thinks she knows President Reagan better than his own son, hilarity ensues.
Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Jay, Madison, and Hamilton combine their powers to form Captain Reagan, the Founding Father, who lives on a faraway planet having all of his words dictated.
PeeJ said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:44
you know who ELSE made people take showers they didn’t want….
pedestrian said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:45
when you’re looking over soldiers you want to see a certain roughness, a certain viciousness, a certain sense of macho stupidity
Esther is concerned that gay soldiers won’t be interested in her rape fantasies.
Whale Chowder said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:47
However, Garry, I have some insurance to sell you….
Wait, you can buy gay insurance? Why was I not informed?!
freelancer said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:48
@pedestrian:
Pretty sure that’s some high order snark.
I mean, C’mon!
Like anyone would want to “R” her!
Arky said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:48
Try My Gander Anally.
Arky said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:49
Anal Army Dry Gently
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:49
HITchcock.
FlipYrWhig said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:51
My grandfather always told me that when you’re looking over soldiers you want to see a certain roughness, a certain viciousness, a certain sense of macho stupidity
Esther, your grandfather was into bears.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:52
“Yes, I believe that gays should be able to serve, but they should serve in a way that does not violate anyone else’s civil rights.”
So, in light of what Andrew and Chris just said, the best way to make sure gays are able to serve “in a way that does not violate anyone else’s civil rights” is to violate the civil and political rights of gay folks?
wiley said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:53
As a woman veteran, Esther, I assure you that when directing aircraft to enemy targets, nobody is looking around for manliness. Most people in the military know that they’re not in a movie and they aren’t looking for John Wayne.
And go fuck yourself.
pedestrian said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:54
Like anyone would want to “R” her!
Careful now. It’s a slow day over at you-know-where.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:55
Wait, you can buy gay insurance? Why was I not informed?!
Coverage is minimal.
Garry Allyn DeManty said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:56
As I suspected, the letter writers here at SadlyNo.com think theyre so funny with the insults and snark. Well thats all you have when you can’t confront the fact that most soldiers like the military ths way it is, and any attempts to change the military by the President will resort in thousands of soldiers life at risk and thousands more leaving the army because they do not like your left-wing views. I confront all debaters who want to address my point and I have no need for your insults which are the only thing you have. Garry
FlipYrWhig said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:56
@ pedestrian, you’re triggering me.
To laugh!
:P
tsam said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:57
Esther, I was in the Army at one time. I can assure you that it’s not just like the Rambo movies. In fact it’s not even remotely close to that. Also, black people don’t eat fried chicken and watermelon at every meal.
How about if I take your rights away and think really hard about maybe giving them back to you, but only incrementally. Rest assured that due deference will be given to SI swimsuit models, since we don’t want to taint our fantasy of all women being beautiful and sexy–at least by social standards. It is all about boobs and asses, after all.
Whale Chowder said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:58
Just the bear minimum, eh?
freelancer said,
February 12, 2010 at 0:59
Could we have just found our new Vanderleun?
PeeJ said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:01
I see only badgers – adorable, badgers, and THEY DANCE! – so I can operate only by inference. None the less, I’m pretty sure Esther’s father was explaining Tom of Finland, not the Army.
FlipYrWhig said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:01
I confront all debaters
So you debate en masse?
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:01
most soldiers like the military ths way it is
Even if that were true, when it changes they’ll deal with it because that is their job and they are professionals. Now quit violating my civil rights.
tsam said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:06
“think theyre so funny with the insults and snark”
We don’t think so, we know so, bub.
“Well thats all you have when you can’t confront the fact that most soldiers like the military ths way it is, and any attempts to change the military by the President will resort in thousands of soldiers life at risk and thousands more leaving the army because they do not like your left-wing views”
a) For the 10,000th time, there are already gay and lesbian service members now. They serve proudly, and with distinction, just like the majority of heterosexual service members.
b) Prove that thousands will leave. If you can show me any evidence, aside from you believing it to be so, then the discussion changes, doesn’t it? But you wishing it so doesn’t make it fact. I know they teach you that in teabagger school, but they lied to you.
So there–points addressed. Let me also reiterate my previous point. It is nearly treasonous to suggest that ending tryanny amounts to tryanny against those who wish to victimize certain citizens because they seem different to you. Tyrannical governments create second class citizens and bar them from government service. Aside from criminals who demonstrate that they cannot be trusted in military service, no one can rightfully be denied the opportunity to serve his or her country. As an American there is no defensible argument against giving homosexuals all of the same rights and priveleges we all enjoy as citizens.
Your turn…I await your response with the utmost curiosity!
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:07
Wait, you can buy gay insurance?
well, Imma gonna sell some to Garry.
Shush for a bit, now…
Andrew N.P. said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:07
ITT: Deny Army Gallantry discovers that Sadly, No! is a comedy site.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:07
I’ve determined that an abundance of the word “gay” in a comment will cause it to be spammed out.
The RSS feed tells me the word filter should instead choose “essay.”
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:12
Most white soldiers if polled probably were against Truman’s desegregation of the armed forces. Too fucking bad.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:13
ITT: Deny Army Gallantry discovers that Sadly, No! is a comedy site.
well now, be fair. It’s long been obvious that the right wing, especially those overly concerned about teh buttsecks, can’t recognize teh funny if it came up behind them and…
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:14
. Too fucking bad.
ooo, well said. Actor owes you a martini.
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:15
There are no comedians in foxholes.
freelancer said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:16
Go away, ‘baitin’!
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:18
Garry Allyn DeManty said
dear sir or madame,
i worked for the army for many years, and i am happy to report that most soldiers are intelligent people of good moral character who are perfectly aware that many of the people that they are serving with are gay. the proposed change merely makes it legal for the issue to be discussed
i’m afraid a person such as yourself who openly declares that you would feel uncomfortable serving with a homosexual person would be thereby disqualified from serving in the armed forces of the united states of america
Garry Allyn DeManty said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:18
I want you liberals to heed at the words of Senator Saxby Chambliss, who has forgoten more about the military than you moonbats will ever know:
[[[Chambliss acknowledged that while the military enforces "restrictions on personal behavior that would not be acceptable in civilian society," it "must maintain policies that exclude persons whose presence in the armed forces would create unacceptable risk to the armed forces' high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion."
"In my opinion," he said, "the presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would very likely create an unacceptable risk to those high standards."]]]
Face it the military will never and has never will accept your liberal view points, so you might as well quit while your ahead, liberals. oh wait No, Obamas poll numbers are rock bottom and you will lose in 2010.
Arky said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:22
I’m sorry, it is impossible to spoof G.A.D. Please select another persona and try again.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:23
I confront all debaters who want to
addressundress mypointmother.Garry Allyn DeManty,
I’m not clear on what your point is. The missive you wrote that brought all this ridicule forth was about how allowing gays to serve in the military is some sort of violation of someone’s rights. It as possible for us to address that point as it is for us to address stoichiometric comi-tragic differential equation.
This latest declaration that ONLY you are behaving rationally and that no one else has the faintest grasp on reality, well you do raise an issue. That people in the military like it just fine that the gays are locked out.
Well, since you are the reasonable debater, with all the facts on your side – I appreciate how you wouldn’t have any time to provide any references for that claim. So let me do it for you. By nearly a two to one ratio, those opposed are outnumbered by those in favour or without an opinion. And that poll was conducted almost half a decade ago. If trends military opinions reflect
those in the general population then the ratio is even more skewed away from your assertion.
And more importantly, those numbers don’t reflect the opinions of the hordes of fags and lesbians, proud of their identity and proud of their country, just waiting for the chance to serve.
With warmest regards (to your mother, whom I totes rogered twelve ways from Sunday)
Dragon-King Wangchuck.
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:24
Saxby Chambliss should know. He’s never served in the military, and probably watches “300″ over and over and over when he’s alone.
freelancer said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:25
You mean the guy who got five deferments during Vietnam who ran against triple amputee and war hero Max Cleland claiming Cleland was soft on military matters?
You win.
Major Kong said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:26
I want you liberals to heed at the words of Senator Saxby Chambliss, who has forgoten more about the military than you moonbats will ever know:
OK, I know this is a parody troll but I have to swing at this one anyway.
Me: Retired Lt. Colonel, 21 years USAF/ANG, 4000 hours of military flying time, 500 hours of combat time, DFC, Air Medal x 2, Commendation Medal, Desert Storm, Joint Forge, Northern Watch, OIF.
Saxby Chambliss: five student deferments plus a medical deferment (1-Y) for bad knees due to a football injury.
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:26
Proud Record of Service:
The football injury was commonly known as “Liberace elbow”.
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:26
Doh! Major Kong in stereo!
Garry Allyn DeManty said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:26
Zogby and the Washington Slimes. You moonbats make me laugh. Your sources are biased and junk polls. I have reality on my side.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:28
“Chambliss received criticism from Democrats and Republicans for this ad[attacking Max Cleland], pointing out that he, who hadn’t served in the Vietnam War due to receiving military deferments, had attacked a Vietnam War veteran who lost three limbs during his service for not being tough enough on issues of war and homeland security.”
Garry Allyn DeManty said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:28
[[[war hero Max Cleland claiming Cleland was soft on military matters?]]]
Cleveland WAS soft on military matters and was harming this country. also, he was NO war hero and you lying moonbats know it. Saxby would have served if he werent hurt and besides, he serves from afar now by doing the work for soldiers in government.
You Can't Put Lipstick On A Repig said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:28
In light of all those pesky facts and links that the evil Libruls here on S,N! are digging up, it’s just about time for Garry Allyn to declare victory and run.
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:29
I figgered Garry Allyn DeManty at February 12, 2010 at 1:18 was fake, moonbats being a tell.
Shorter Garry Allen Teabagger said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:30
My vapid rhetoric and flawed reasoning beat your facts, since as we all know, reality has a Liberal Bias.
mingo said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:30
I confront all debaters
So you debate en masse?
he’s a master.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:31
Saxby Chambliss is a cowardly, ignorant turd, as is anyone who brings him up as an example of someone knowledgeable about the military or, well, anything other than maybe cousin kissin’.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:32
More like MASTER debaters. Get it? HA HA.
tsam said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:32
Once again, Garry, even if your hero Saxby wishes it so, that doesn’t make it so.
Homosexual “behavior” in civilian society is not restricted, nor unacceptable. You cannot demonstrate with any veracity that gays in the military put “morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion” at any kind of risk. It’s pure speculation on your part, based solely on your idiotic bigotry and hate.
The point is, and you KNOW this as well as I do, this has nothing to do with the military itself. It is strictly you satsifying your creepy need to impose your will on people you don’t like. You’re excluding them from service because it’s illegal to kill them or exile them (at least for the moment). We see through your fake concerns about unit cohesion and all of that bullshit you morons trot out every time you want to oppress another group of people.
So fuck you, Garry. We know who you are, we know what you’re doing. Might I suggest another place with much stricter “morality” laws? I’m sure you could find a backward society somewhere that outlaws homosexuality. You’d be right at home in a place like that.
Let me explain something to you, little man. If you wish to preserve your civil liberties, you WILL defend the liberty of all Americans. That is not a choice you get to make if you wish to live in a free society. Freedom is not being insulated from people you don’t like. Remember that sentiment could be turned around on you someday.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:32
he’s a master.
Way to do my joke before me! And better!
mingo said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:33
T&U, this is pitiful, but it makes my day that I beat you out on a comment.
Garry Allyn DeManty said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:33
Saxby only took those deferments because his Civil Right to not share a foxhole with a negro was violated by the evil integrated military.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:34
And yeah, Sub, I know he’s a fakey fake who is fake, but godDAMN I hates Saxby Chambliss.
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:34
You people and your stupid facks. Where I come, we don’t need facks. We have brute, repetitive prejudice. I’m stupid and obstinate, my daddy was stupid and obstinate, and his daddy was stupid and obstinate. And I’ll be damn sure my kid better be too.
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:35
Garry Allyn DeManty
dear sir, madame or other,
so far we have more than one person here who have served in the u.s. military or worked for them
so tell us again what the fuck-all you know about it?
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:36
T&U, this is pitiful, but it makes my day that I beat you out on a comment
No, I understand. My week was made yesterday when my dentist told me that people would love to have teeth like mine.
Garry Allyn DeManty said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:37
Now you are resorting to using my name to make posts, which is a garbage tactic. I expected none better after reading through your SadlyNo.com Web site archives.
Garry Allyn DeManty said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:37
As for those of you with questions about my fightin’ experience, it is extensive!
I played an AWFUL lot of World Of War on my Playstation. That is why I know so much about the military.
pedestrian said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:37
More like MASTER debaters. Get it? HA HA.
OR OR OR what if I did THIS???
MASTER
debaters*spews milk*
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:39
*spews milk*
OUT THE NOSE! Bwah ha ha!!!!!
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:40
Obamas poll numbers are rock bottom and you will lose in 2010.
comparing gallup to gallup, just a little above where reagan was at the same point in his presidency
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:40
That’s not his nose.
mingo said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:40
Garry has forgotten this totally awesome argument against gays in the military – they will offend the terrorists!
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/11/missouri-dadt/
pedestrian said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:41
Now you are resorting to using my name to make posts, which is a garbage tactic. I expected none better after reading through your SadlyNo.com Web site archives.
Well that certainly is a plausible explanation for your similarity to previous trolls, and it shows us just who the REAL loser is.
Whale Chowder said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:41
Garry is well on it’s way to becoming a beautiful line of dancing badgers BUT: I’d line up Adm. Mike Mullen and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates over “Sexy” Saxby “Five Deferments” Chambliss.
tsam said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:42
“Now you are resorting to using my name to make posts, which is a garbage tactic”
Yes, name calling is much worse than feeling around in the dark for a solution to the homosexual “problem”, isn’t it? Did we hurt you witto feewings?
Nah, try again, son.
ArmyVet said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:42
Hello. I am ArmyVet. I’d like to let you people know that I and others agree with Garry about this matter, and find your tone unacceptable and your beliefs inconsolable with the way the military operates. Thank you.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:43
Garry has forgotten this totally awesome argument against gays in the military – they will offend the terrorists!
Goddammit, I told them to fix that “(R-MI)” this morning. Michigan has their own wingnuts–no need to give ours away to them.
mingo said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:46
Goddammit, I told them to fix that “(R-MI)” this morning. Michigan has their own wingnuts–no need to give ours away to them.
yup, still there.
And I need to go console my beliefs…
Major Kong said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:46
Who the fuck names their kid “Saxby” anyway? That’s weird even for Georgia.
mingo said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:47
I did like the ‘he looks like Ned Beatty’ comment…
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:47
Did the troll ever address WHY he thinks gays in the military are violating HIS rights?
I’d look back through the thread, but I can’t be arsed. As it were.
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:48
SAX 2 BY U
And fuck you WordPress. I gotta do Longers?
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:48
And I need to go console my beliefs…
Good luck. I heard they were inconsolable.
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:48
ArmyVet said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:42 (kill)
Hello. I am ArmyVet.
Hello, sockpuppet!
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:49
I am ArmyVet
major kong gave his rank and service, sir or madame, above, and did it without talking like a japanese saturday afternoon cartoon.
now pony up or shut up
Garry somebodysillynameorother said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:53
I confront all debaters. On my knees. They force their arguments down my throat. It gives me stiffie.
tsam said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:53
ArmyVet said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:42
Hello. I am ArmyVet. I’d like to let you people know that I and others agree with Garry about this matter, and find your tone unacceptable and your beliefs inconsolable with the way the military operates. Thank you.
Hello, ArmyVet, I’m an Army veteran too. I and others agree with me. I and others are not concerned with your opinion of our tone. I and others agree that defense of liberty warrants “by all means necessary” tone and tactics. We only do it because we love our country. Why do you hate America, ArmyVet?
the real Garry said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:54
Because it is an afront to the traditional values this country was founded upon, and to force anyone to accept this is a violation of my rights.
Barney said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:56
I think these ‘civil rights’ spring from the same natural law that the Pope says gives Catholics the inalienable right to discriminate against homosexual job applicants.
This boils down to “it feels so good to be bigoted, it must be right”.
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:58
HOT!
mingo said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:58
Garry Allyn DePanty’d.
tsam said,
February 12, 2010 at 1:59
“Because it is an afront to the traditional values this country was founded upon, and to force anyone to accept this is a violation of my rights.”
Sadly, No!
Your wish to oppress others is an affront (notice the correct spelling, please) to every single American ideal of equality and freedom. By affronting freedom, you affront America. Why do you hate America, real Garry? By the way, just what are these “traditional values” of which you speak? I’m dying to know. All I ever get from you blackshirts is that same “values” platitude. Please indulge us with an explanation.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:02
Because it is an afront
Don’t you mean “aback”? I’m pretty sure you mean “aback.”
(PS: Worpress can BITE ME).
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:03
I too am a veteran. And am proud to have served alongside both sensible people with a brain and irrational shit-heads.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:08
Because it is an afront to the traditional values this country was founded upon
Which is why the founding fathers forbade it in the Constitution.
and to force anyone to accept this is a violation of my rights.
Force you how? By not allowing you to violate THEIR rights? Nobody gives a crap what you accept, God knows you’ve got the right to be as loud-mouthed a moron as you like, but you do NOT have a Constitutionally protected right to take the rights of others simply because the gay squicks you out.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:08
Fake Garry or not, dismissal of the Zogby poll or not – I addressed his point, and it only seems fair that he address mine:
Whale Chowder said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:08
That’s not milk.
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:11
Ah, yes, Christian nation Founders were born-again conservatives God’s own country blah blah 700 Club bullshit blah.
One wonders why, if Mr. Troll’s views are accurate, the Constitution failed to mention the “presnese of ye FAGGES in our Militarie” or some such.
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:16
now you guys went and scared off the troolies
poo
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:17
The Founding Fathers were all a buncha long haired fags, if the paintings are at all accurate. Amirite?
Simba B said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:19
Pam Geller thinks she knows President Reagan better than his own son, hilarity ensues.
Wait, they’re letting her near the teevee now? Boy, things sure haven’t changed since I stopped watching cable news.
Andrew N.P. said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:21
You’re kidding, right? Article I, Section 9. “No Person, having been convicted of Sodomy or other sexual Depravity, shall be allowed to serve in the land or naval Forces of the United States, or in the Militia of any State.”
…
Made you look.
J— said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:22
I must say the multiple brackets are a nice touch. Extraneous yet compelling.
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:22
BEEING af the prefence of several numerous FAGGES being in ye Rankf of ye American Militariee an FURTHERMORE reportf comying to us of TEE-Bagging and Duct-Tape’d GERBYLS in ye Barrackf hath been damagy’d the morale of the New Country, we see it fit to ban acceff of ye HOMEAUX to the several many rankf of the Army…
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:27
So homeaux bad, standing army AOK? I guess I got the first-edition Constitution, before it was proof-read and fixed.
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:29
I must say the multiple brackets are a nice touch
see rfc 54.6.382 for changes to Hyper Troll Markup Language. and stop touching me
Looch said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:31
BEEING af the prefence of ƒeveral numerous FAGGES being in ye Rankƒ of ye American Militariee an FURTHERMORE reportƒ comying to us of TEE-Bagging and Duct-Tape’d GERBYLS in ye Barrackƒ hath been damagy’d the morale of the New Country, we see it fit to ban acceƒƒ of ye HOMEAUX to the several many rankƒ of the Army…
With fixeƒ.
Whale Chowder said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:31
standing army AOK?
They’re afraid to get down into their foxholes. Who knows WHAT they’ll find in there.
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:31
I guess I got the first-edition Constitution, before it was proof-read and fixed.
Actually it’s the version that the secret George Bernard Shaw Commie radical conspiracy hid in favor of their fake “freedom and tolerance” made-up “Constitution” they’ve been foisting off on the statist Socialist public school system.
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:32
With fixeƒ.
Thankee to ye LOOCH.
Looch said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:35
But without closed tagƒ.
Smut Clyde said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:35
Don’t you mean “aback”? I’m pretty sure you mean “aback.”
‘Akimbo’ is also good. Then there is ‘athwart’ (not to be confused with an anal papilloma).
Esther said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:39
I seriously don’t see why it’s so bad to respect the wishes of the soldiers. They’re the ones who actually have to be over there fighting so that we can sit comfortably and enjoy high-minded typed conversations with each other while drinking tea. It’s like Dr. Strangelove said, war is too important to be left up to politicians, even well meaning ones.
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:43
I am AmwayVet. All U.S. Americans agree with Me.
Garry Allyn DeManty said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:02
I live for cock. Uh, I meant keep fags out ofmy mouth…I mean the military! And stop them fromcoming in my ass…goddammit, stop them from enlisting, enlisting. Allowing them to serve isseduction…SEDITION! SEDITION, DAMMIT!Looch said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:04
Hope ya’ll saw the “DFC” notation in the Major’s post. No small thing.
And, to the vets who announced themselves (the real ones), I say this:
Thank you for your service.
And Gary? Psst. A&D ointment. It soothes the ouchy burny.
Steerpike said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:06
If only there were some precedent, some country kinda like ours, that had experimented with allowing gays to serve openly, and had almost a decade of experience with the it to point to, to establish once and for all whether allowing gays and heterosexuals to serve together had had a negative effect on “unit cohesion” or enlistment numbers, soldier retention, stuff like that. I mean, it would be nice for America to be at the vanguard of Civil Rights, but it would be so much easier if only there were a record of some kind, of a Western Democracy actually having tried this before…
Oh Yeah—Australia!
Looch said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:13
Oh Yeah—Australia!
Here’s to the diggers with their bang sticks and their cans of harden-up!
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:20
They’re the ones who actually have to be over there fighting so that we can sit comfortably and enjoy high-minded typed conversations with each other while drinking tea.
I see someone missed the whole “liberty as an unalienable right” thing.
Then again, in Kepone’s fever-dream world it’s always 1935 and the U.S. is one amphibious landing away from being conquered. *snerk*
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:20
Of course nobody mentions the navy, which is a notorious repository of seamen.
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:22
By the way, homeaux for the winne.
Esther said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:22
I see someone missed the whole “liberty as an unalienable right” thing.
Entitled much?
Steerpike said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:25
Entitled much?
Um….yes?
Esther said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:26
Um….yes?
Whatevs.
Looch said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:27
Esther-dude: It’s gotten old fast.
Transparent troll, not even a concern troll.
Straight-up troll.
Is it nice under the bridge (not located at Bennington)?
Shoo.
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:27
Entitled much?
yes, “esther”, entitled to liberty as any american citizen is. now go play with your badgers
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:34
“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness”
except for people i don’t like
Esther said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:35
Esther-dude: It’s gotten old fast.
Transparent troll, not even a concern troll.
Straight-up troll.
Is it nice under the bridge (not located at Bennington)?
Shoo.
yes, “esther”, entitled to liberty as any american citizen is. now go play with your badgers
Looks like I hit a couple of nerves. For, as one says, the win.
Steerpike said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:37
Of course, those poufter Aussies might just be the exception, right? Maybe other countries that have allowed gays to serve have had bad experiences. Like Israel, f’r instance. Surely that hardcore, man-for-man-the-best-fighting-force-in-the-world would never allow such a thing… Oh, wait…never mind..
So who else would possibly allow such a radical social experiment? Countries like Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bermuda, Brazil, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Slovenia, South Africa. Spain, Sweden,
Switzerland, United Kingdom and Uruguay.
Damn. Pretty risky, revolutionary stuff, all right
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:40
In honor of our new troll, tonight I downloaded some Jam and Paul weller music.
No particular correlation there, I just figure anything a liberal likes will piss him off.
Esther said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:41
Jam and Paul weller music
I always liked The Style Council better.
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:42
Doubleplus trolling.
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:44
Looky here, bitches. I recently started work on a movie project about a homosexual gent who is getting a divorce, and because he was one of the poster children for gay marriage, he’s got all this social and cultural baggage to deal with. His liberal hetero friends are particularly scandalized. Opponents of all things ghey seize on this as proof that fags can’t handle hetero commitments, although of course the hetero divorce rate is above 50%.
The punch line of the movie is that there are no equal rights. Can’t exist. Because they’re inherently granted to someone separate. Separate might do better, might do worse, over time, but won’t remain equal for long. Separate things meet different destinies. Equal, as in “created equal,” doesn’t mean the same thing. “Equal rights” means you have “equivalent rights,” and that means you’re not the same, which is what “equal” means in terms of what the Framers had in mind, if we must mention those bewigged old slaveowners in this context. Ben Franklin swung both ways.
So there’s only same rights. Equal (equivalent) rights are bullshit. You get gay queer fag rights if you’re straight or homosexual, and you get straight Midwestern guns n’ ammo Murkin rights if you’re homosexual. Because they’re the exact same friggin identical rights.
I don’t care if it’s pundits, detractors, Grandma Moses or Esther the Troll, this is the bedrock issue. Not equal rights. Same rights. Can gays serve in the military? If they’re American, and all persons are created equal, the answer is yes, because they’re the same.
If you don’t agree with this, if you think some people should have equivalent but not the same rights, then you probably need a good fuck right up the fartpipe.
Mark D said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:45
Holy shit … this thread should be put into some S,N! Hall of Fame. Just fucking brilliance by many — all of whom need to pitch in their welfare checks to buy me a new monitor.
::applause::
Oh, and if having L/G* in the military would destroy morale, unit cohesion, etc., I wonder why more than half think there are already gays serving in their unit … yet none of them up and leave because of it. Strange, that.
It’s almost as if people who have never actually served in the military are convinced teh gheys would prance around in designer-created sequined outfits, re-decorate the barracks in some nice earth tones, and turn MREs into actually-edible.
Okay, the last part would be great.
The rest, though?
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FAAAAAHHHHHHHHBUUUULLLLOOOOUUUUUUUSS!!!
PeeJ said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:45
POOP. And such as.
*This is a test. This is only a test. Had this been a real comment you would have PENIS.
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:48
Again, quoting from the SEEKRIT TEABAGGER FREEDOM WOVERINES! edition of the Constitution Methyl-Ketone is reading from:
“Wee HOLD these truthf to be self evident, that all men are created equal (except for ye GAY BOIS, LESBAINNS, Musslemens and LIBERALS), that they are endow’d by Their creator THE ONE TRUE GOD HAIL KING YAHWEH EVERMORE with certain rights to be protected unto them by MASSIVE Armief, having unto even established bases around the world in countries divers, which oppose us not YET but maybe one day so it’s better safe than SORRYE, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Tax Havyns in ye Bahamas”
Looch said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:51
Looks like I hit a couple of nerves. For, as one says, the win.
Troll triumph.
Dude, your day is complete!
Mark D said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:52
The fact you thought you won = you lose.
Nice try, though.
I only give it a 4.2 Troll Score, but the Dumbfuckistan judge is giving it a 9.8.
Which must mean you swallow. So at least you got that goin’ for ya …
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 3:58
I always liked The Style Council better.
does my preference for the other work piss you off, dearie? Does it make you MAD?
poooo. How weak. Google makes you think you know something about it, young pup.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:02
For, as one says, the win.
Entitled much?
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:07
what do you win from Sadly, No?
an imaginary, vegetable enhanced sammich, or a humorless dildo?
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:10
You win a framed portrait of Queen Victoria hanging a Christmas bell on Prince Albert’s eponymous piercing. Hand-tinted and double-matted.
J— said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:10
I must be over the target since I’m getting so much flak!
PeeJ said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:14
Pere said bois
TRIGGER!!!!!!!!
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:14
what do you win from Sadly, No?
A coupon for 5$ off breakfast at McHitler’s.
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:17
Those of you who haven’t seen it, must read this:
1st time as tragedy, 2nd time as farce, 3rd time as camp stage show, 4th time as student union re-enactment of the camp stage show, 5th time as the videogame, 6th time as the stunningly well-rated YouTube video fake trailer made by an aspiring film director, 7th time as the big budget remake done in the style of an homage, 8th time as SyFy channel mini-series re-make…
J— said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:20
what do you win from Sadly, No?
A sweet song of victory.
Mark D said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:26
El Cid–
I read that post at Balloon Juice earlier tonight and damn near let out a “FUCK YEAH!”
Unfortunately, that was followed by a desire to curl up in the fetal position, pained by the knowledge that’s exactly how shit turns out each and every time.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:30
Look, J–, I know better than to click that link.
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:32
Sweet Victory.
Smut Clyde said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:34
I must be over the target since I’m getting so much flak!
When you’re looking over soldiers from that altitude, do you see a certain roughness, a certain viciousness, a certain sense of macho stupidity?
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:36
El Cid, thanks for posting that link.
It makes my decision to start drinking heavily look reasonable.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:36
I’m of mixed minds on all this. We should help the working poor — and their children — get enough to eat. Ditto those too disabled to work and provide for themselves. De-stigmatizing aid to such people — and even reaching out to make sure they know help’s available — makes sense.
But, rather clearly, we’ve taken this to absurd levels, creating a self-licking ice cream cone in which the program’s main focus is on expanding the program.
Have the requirements been changed, or is it just that the agencies are publicizing the service so that people who already qualified and already needed it are now aware of it that bugs him?
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:37
do you see a certain roughness, a certain viciousness, a certain sense of macho stupidity?
come on, Smut any random sampling of men could be described the same way.
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:39
I mean seriously, who reads the “1 in 8″ and instead of thinking “man, the economy totally blows for so many people” thinks “goddamn government publicizing benefits so people can eat?” Holy fuck.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:43
people who already qualified and already needed it are now aware of it that bugs him?
hey, it’s just a hunch here, but Imma guessing that he is figuring that in some way, more people with darker skins might be participating. Imma guessing THAT is what irritates him so.
Do I win a vegetable sammich?
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:43
also seems to me like a good time to re-write the UB40 song “one in Ten”
J— said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:47
SpongeBob/Santana
Esther?
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:50
ALL FUCKING CONSERVATIVES AND CENTRIST DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS SINCE THE 19-FUCKING-70′S.
It’s more of a, ‘holy shit — what’s wrong with all these lazy fucks taking food stamps, and why is our government creating such a dependent class?’
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:54
Those of you who haven’t seen it, must read this:
I agree with the premise of the article, but must point out that full-time Americorps volunteers do, in fact, get a stipend. You can’t live off it unless you have a secondary source of income, but at least you don’t have to pay back your student loans while you’re doing it.
(I’ve been looking at post-grad school opportunities because I’ve realized that I’m going to graduate with twice as much debt and enter into a job market where I’m making as much as or less than I’m making now).
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:54
Those lazy-ass people should get jobs and get off food stamps. It’s not like there are 6 unemployed people for every job opening, or that many jobs are low-pay no-benefits PT crapfests that leave many folks STILL QUALIFYING FOR FOOD STAMPS.
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 4:55
self-licking ice cream cone in which the program’s
now how am i gonna explain to my ancient history class that americans of the 21st century thought that they no longer lived in the middle ages?
e pur si muove…
Steerpike said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:00
Esther?,/i>
Are you kidding? He declared victory an hour ago and is now enjoying the warm, victorious glow of post-masturbatory slumber.
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:01
This kind of shit is why our species must eventually be replaced. We’re all selfish — of course, because self-continuance is the prime directive of any organism — but we have discovered that interdependence works great! If people join together and do things in groups, rather than living like BADGERS down a hole somewhere, fang-sinking every passer-by, they can get heaps of stuff done, create surpluses, and distribute tasks according to ability. WIN all around.
Unfortunately, so many turd-stuffed Mayonnards are abroad in the land, convinced that cooperative effort is evil, and that each man must gather unto himself the fruits of life, distributing none, not even the rotten, which he maketh into wine, that it is now considered communism to suggest we don’t let the millions of people down on their luck die of starvation and exposure in the streets.
May we go extinct. It’s the best thing.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:02
Maybe it’s the boxed wine talking, but I wish my ice cream cone was self-licking.
Steerpike said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:02
pffff…tag fail.
Do I get a pass for having consumed 5 Carlsberg Elephant beers?
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:04
Spongebob vs. Santana is important stuff. I have my opinion, now I need that validated or invalidated in a completely insincere way.
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:05
I’m getting sick of smoking all this perfectly legal Californian medical marijuana. The thrill is gone.
El Cid said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:12
Just ’cause you don’t have a job don’t mean you can’t work hard. And also, stop all the spendin’, and cut some a these here taxes, and let the damn people get back to workin’.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:21
Do I get a pass for having consumed 5 Carlsberg Elephant beers
only if they were all purchased by George Soros.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:23
I’m getting sick of smoking all this perfectly legal Californian medical marijuana. The thrill is gone.
I am willing to help, being a helpful Zombie. Just pack that up and send it along:
Milwaukee Amtrak Station
Second floor men’s washroom
third stall along
behind the pipes.
Nom de Plume said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:25
Do I get a pass for having consumed 5 Carlsberg Elephant beers?
You fuck up your tags after only 5 beers? Bitch, man up. I’ve had 6 beers, and my tags are perfect.
D’oh.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:27
…rather than living like BADGERS down a hole somewhere, fang-sinking every passer-by…
Spoken like a typical rabid pelican.
~
Steerpike said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:30
Dude, Carlsberg Elephant Beer is to regular American pisswater what a Weatherbee is to a Derringer: You might take six bullets from a Mommy’s purse-pistol and keep going; one well-aimed shot from the lephant gun, and you’ll be playing inside for the whole day!
Mark D said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:30
WHERE’S YOUR EDUCATION NOW?!
Maybe if you went a real school?
(Sorry, had to. :-) More seriously, I feel your pain, tho, and have been out of school 14 years now. The real world sucks. Stay in academia since it sucks just a tad less. Plus: CO-EDS!)
Oh, and fuck you to all hell Microprocessor, for daring to live in a state that considers something medicinal … well, medicinal.
Now if you’ll pardon me, I have some messican brick
oreganostuff around here somewhere. It helps ease the stomach pain caused by the morphin3* and neurontin I take like Tic-Tacs all day.(*Spelled this way to prevent it from being too spammy.)
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:33
Milwaukee Amtrak Station
Second floor men’s washroom
third stall along
behind the pipes.
This is just to say
I have smoked
the weed
that was behind
the pipes
and which
you were probably
saving
for 4/20
Forgive me
it was killer
so kine
and so smooth.
Mark D said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:35
T&U just won today’s Internet!
Here’s a series of tubes. Don’t spend them all in one place …
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:35
WHERE’S YOUR EDUCATION NOW?!
What can I say? The ALA lied and the Baby Boomers aren’t retiring. I could always go into informatics, but I’d rather stab myself in the eye with a rusty fork. Just gotta write that bestseller…
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:36
Here’s a series of tubes. Don’t spend them all in one place …
But they’re so shiny!
Oregon Beer Snob said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:37
I would just like to add that this thread has been full of most excellent lulz.
Although I’m not positive if that’s related to my current beverage of choice, a 22oz bottle of 11%abv Southern Tier brewing “Imperial Chokolat Stout” (note commie spellink), and tonight’s previous cousins, or not.
Regardless, lulz, lots of them. Thanks.
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:37
Lights Out!
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:43
let be be finale of d0000d!
the only emperor is the emperor of i really really have the munchies for ice cream
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:45
Lights Out!
Aw. That song always reminds me of when Mr. T&U and I started dating.
Mark D said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:46
As an award-winning writer myself, best of luck! (Honestly — I’ve won awards for my work, and I hope you do it.)
Sadly, the best way is to become a conservative, come up with some idiotic fucking thesis, have the folks at Regenery print it, and then some think tank buy up thousands of copies.
**POOF!!**
Best-seller!
Hey, it worked for The Whale …
Nom de Plume said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:46
You might take six bullets from a Mommy’s purse-pistol
You don’t talk about my American pisswater that way! Even if “Budweiser” sounds kind of Jewish.
Steerpike said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:50
None of you picked up on “Mommy’s purse pistol” as a VPR!
Disappointed
Oregon Beer Snob said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:51
Czech, actually.
Gesundheit!
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:52
Mark D said,
February 12, 2010 at
agreed. T&U, above & beyond.
Do I get a cut for the setup?
J— said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:52
Lights Out!
Not Peter Wolf?
Esther?
Oregon Beer Snob said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:53
Linky for the Czechishness
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:54
Lights Out!
Aw. That song always reminds me of when Mr. T&U and I started dating.
funny, our song seemed to be “Light Up”
what?
Nom de Plume said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:56
Czech, actually.
Is this how a sophisticate asks for the bill?
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 6:00
Sadly, the best way is to become a conservative, come up with some idiotic fucking thesis, have the folks at Regenery print it…”
I’ve said it before, I believe, but I will say it again: I have toyed with the idea of being a conservative “pundit” just for the money. I think I would be too embarrassed and guilt-stricken to do it. Thanks for the good wishes, though!
agreed. T&U, above & beyond.
Do I get a cut for the setup?
Of the weed, or of the tubes? Hey, how would a zombie smoke weed, anyway?
Oregon Beer Snob said,
February 12, 2010 at 6:01
Only if they’re young:
youtubeylinky
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 6:04
Hey, how would a zombie smoke weed, anyway?
well, we need to figure THAT out, don’t we?
Call it SCIENCE.
Oregon Beer Snob said,
February 12, 2010 at 6:10
I’m still fairly sure the lulz are authentic, but I’d just like to reiterate that no 11% alcohol beer deserves to be this easy to drink. This shit is downright dangerous
Imma shutup now…
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
February 12, 2010 at 6:29
Are we Zardozing S,N! nao?
Just Czechin’, cause that takes alot.
~
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 6:41
i’d hafta say i’m more of a beer CRANK since i only like beer w/out hops and specialize in too much 9% belgian ale
Oregon Beer Snob said,
February 12, 2010 at 6:56
Snob, crank, whatever, it’s all just fancy fermented sugar water.
I spent most of December drinking excellent Belgian ales. Not a bad way to spend a month, but a bit rough on brain cells.
Zardoz says:
Oregon Beer Snob said,
February 12, 2010 at 6:58
And that post was like two words different than the previous one WP threw away as spam. FYWP with a corroded aluminum dildo.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 6:59
thunder, what the hell are you doing over here?
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
February 12, 2010 at 7:02
. FYWP with a corroded aluminum dildo.
I am almost positive that Word Press prefers humorless dildos.
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 7:05
oh but i bet you don’t bore people with lectures on how hops are not necessary to make beer n how they made beer w/out them fer ten thousand years until them damn germans felt their beer needed a little fixing up well dammit give me some good old sumerian beer
that is CRANK
Oregon Beer Snob said,
February 12, 2010 at 7:09
I don’t bore people about that.
Oregon Beer Snob said,
February 12, 2010 at 7:17
On reflection, and to return to the topic at hand, if you ignore its masculine strength and dark, swarthy color and thick, rich body and mouthfeel, the Chokolat Stout is a bit, ahem, you know, uh, “feminine” if you know what I mean…
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat said,
February 12, 2010 at 7:48
I like pussy, myself.
A fellow steps away from the thread for an hour and all HECK breaks loose. What fun we’re having! What jolly balloons and what gay bunting. You remember Gay Bunting; her father ran Bunting, Stealfirst, and Seconde, refrigeration insurers to business and industry. I remember it well: all about was abunt with bunting, and there were you, a hair in your carnation. It was love at first sight, or it was until I put my spectacles on. But lo! What light through Yonder Window Bunts?
I cede the floor. Watch your footing, it was sesame cede.
Snowwy said,
February 12, 2010 at 8:03
Micro,
dude, I’m stoned, and that STILL didn’t make any sense.
Tacitus Voltaire said,
February 12, 2010 at 8:27
abunt with bunting, and there were you, a hair
vy not a chickn?
Smut Clyde said,
February 12, 2010 at 8:31
Bartender, I’ll have whatever Micro’s having.
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat said,
February 12, 2010 at 8:35
Snowwy, me either. I’m stoned too. And I’ve been reading SJ Perelman.
Microprocessor-Stockpile the Extroverted Shadow bat said,
February 12, 2010 at 8:35
Snowwy, to me either. I’m stoned too. And I’ve been reading SJ Perelman.
aurelius kink (&poofter furius) said,
February 12, 2010 at 8:54
M-S ESb i’ll view you as the revolver, introduced in my play (Act I)
lobbey said,
February 12, 2010 at 12:31
i’d hafta say i’m more of a beer CRANK since i only like beer w/out hops and specialize in too much 9% belgian ale
You say that like its a bad thing!
But to paraphrase Bill Hicks; “Belgian Beers have done good things, you just have to know your way around them”….
lobbey said,
February 12, 2010 at 15:08
o/t, marvel comics vrs the teabaggers….
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100211/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1129
St. Trotsky, Pope-in-Avignon said,
February 12, 2010 at 15:49
There’s something almost sublime about complaining that a character like Captain America might be putting forward a political message. Jesus fuck, Captain America is a political message.
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 16:03
In response to Marvel’s explanation and apology, Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips told Yahoo! News that it “sounds less like a genuine ‘we’re sorry’ than it does a ‘we’re sorry we got caught’ statement.”
“When I was a child in the ’60s Captain America was my favorite superhero,” he said. “It’s really sad to see what has traditionally been a pro-America figure being used to advance a political agenda.”
Ed Brubaker, the writer of the controversial Captain America story, told Fox News that any and all references to “tea bag” will be removed from all future editions of Marvel Comics.
Judson’s comment has to be read in context of all the wingnut apologies for their recent racist “jokes”. I mean, claiming the First Lady is related to a gorilla or that Obama will be “urban”-ing up the White (HAH! HAH!) House are one thing, but parodying a political group? Why, sirs, that just goes TOO FAR harrumph harrumph blurp blurp *rustle rustle*.
Marvel’s reaction, on the other hand, has to be seen in their recent history of misogygny and homophobia – tentacle-rape covers, self-hating gay characters, Mary Jane Watson as a slutty housewife, yadda yadda. Which, of course, when called to their attention, they felt no need to apologize for, much less redact from any future issue. Totally different, donchaknow.
Anonymous said,
February 12, 2010 at 16:18
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 5:37
I’d rather stab myself in the eye with a rusty fork.
Lights Out!
Oh my god–I didn’t think anyone remembered those guys! Thanks!
Mark D said,
February 12, 2010 at 16:31
Well, zombie, I had to get with the legal folks, and, um, sadly …
… a goddamn form letter, the bastards.
Jennifer said,
February 12, 2010 at 16:39
In response to Marvel’s explanation and apology, Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips told Yahoo! News that it “sounds less like a genuine ‘we’re sorry’ than it does a ‘we’re sorry we got caught’ statement.”
Exhibit A as to why no one should ever apologize to the teabaggers. They don’t accept apologies; it just gives them another excuse to blather on about how victimized they are.
Esteev said,
February 12, 2010 at 16:45
Garry isn’t just ascared of the geh, he’s just plain skurrd:
Shorter: Screw everything Barry [heh]; forget jobs, forget the economy, forget the growing [heh] threat of the geh, and don’t you even think of endangering millions by bring uncharged what-the-government-claims are terrusts to America until you put national security on the top shelve behind the cookies where the kids can’t get to it. And get me a new diaper.
(Not too short but this is really hard.)
Esteev said,
February 12, 2010 at 16:50
Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips
You don’t pay Judson to teabag, you pay him to leave.
TruculentandUnreliable said,
February 12, 2010 at 17:13
Here’s a really good blog post about the whole situation and why Marvel is wrong, wrong, wrong for apologizing.
actor212 said,
February 12, 2010 at 17:28
70% of Americans support gays in the military, but only 59% of us support homosexuals in the military. Go fig.
actor212 said,
February 12, 2010 at 17:30
o/t, marvel comics vrs the teabaggers….
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100211/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1129
Didja catch the name of the guy who wrote the article?
Esteev said,
February 12, 2010 at 17:51
Didja catch the name of the guy who wrote the article?
Do you think Judson stuck a finger in him?
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 17:54
i’d hafta say i’m more of a beer CRANK since i only like beer w/out hops and specialize in too much 9% belgian ale
I tend toward the opposite end of the spectrum, but I had what they called a Belgian IPA at a brewpub and man, it was fabulous, tart and bitter entwining and titillating every taste bud. It was so good I needed a shower and a nap after.
Tone in DC said,
February 12, 2010 at 18:15
Pere Ubu said,
February 12, 2010 at 2:22
BEEING af the prefence of several numerous FAGGES being in ye Rankf of ye American Militariee an FURTHERMORE reportf comying to us of TEE-Bagging and Duct-Tape’d GERBYLS in ye Barrackf hath been damagy’d the morale of the New Country, we see it fit to ban acceff of ye HOMEAUX to the several many rankf of the Army…
Stop it. (Gags)
Please, just stop…
My fellow cubicle dwellers are wondering WTF I’m laughing at.
Are certain that Garry D isn’t Gary Ruppert?
Just sayin’.
Substance McGravitas said,
February 12, 2010 at 19:43
Marvel is right right right to print a comic that will never be printed again. Sales bonus!
jim said,
February 12, 2010 at 20:57
In response to Marvel’s explanation and apology, Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips told Yahoo! News that it “sounds less like a genuine ‘we’re sorry’ than it does a ‘we’re sorry we got caught’ statement.”
TeaPartyNation aka SoreWinnersPAC can kiss my hirsute fundament.
Censoring both art & writing with a single action = a neocon two-fer!
Just think: this is the same heartland leviathan that had under a thousand show up at the latest earth-shattering live “Grand Ole Nuremburg” gig of their snowbilly Messiette, St. Sarah Of Wasilla – & yet … appropriately ominous ellipsis, dammit … their evil powers are such that they successfully CENSORED CAPTAIN FUCKIN’ AMERICA HIMSELF.
Is that keeping it classy patriotism-wise or what?
tigrismus said,
February 12, 2010 at 21:05
“Grand Ole Nuremburg”
“What, Wagner AGAIN?”