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		<title>By: not a gator</title>
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		<dc:creator>not a gator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trivially speaking, yes.

Longer answer, no.

You ever notice how young children speak clearly and with good diction? (Well, except for the ones who use baby talk or who have speech impediments or who suffer from ASD or other speech disorders.) The goal of the national operator or newscaster or emergency announcer is to speak with the same clarity and diction as that child, with inflections that are essentially a kind of average across regional accents but also conform to some extent to an ideal form--ie, many English speakers drop or elide t&#039;s, but the operator must pronounce them clearly.

As people become adults they tend to adopt a sort of shorthand kind of speech and regional accent will determine which syllables get whispered, elided, and dropped.

There actually is a standard for no-accent American English. You don&#039;t hear it often because it costs money to learn. (And I don&#039;t count voicemail because the inflection used in that industry is simply bizarre. Nor do I think it maximizes comprehension.) There&#039;s also one for Spanish--you&#039;ll hear Columbian Spanish held up as the standard for least accent and maximum ease of comprehension across Spanish-speakers. (Mexican&#039;s acknowledged as one of the worst.) The British situation is more confusing because of the elitism in that society--you&#039;ve got an idea of the Oxford accent or the BBC accent, so while clarity was very important, so was branding. (The idea of looking to newscasters in the US is also somewhat problematic. NPR, for example, very definitely has its own accent.)

A purely regional operator can, of course, speak completely in some sort of regional patois and be completely intelligible to the intended audience unless there are some recent in-migrants in the mix. But I think even in that context, the listeners know and understand that to be their native accent (which they respond positively to) as opposed to the accent of another region (which they may dislike or simply find hard to understand) or to neutral English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trivially speaking, yes.</p>
<p>Longer answer, no.</p>
<p>You ever notice how young children speak clearly and with good diction? (Well, except for the ones who use baby talk or who have speech impediments or who suffer from ASD or other speech disorders.) The goal of the national operator or newscaster or emergency announcer is to speak with the same clarity and diction as that child, with inflections that are essentially a kind of average across regional accents but also conform to some extent to an ideal form&#8211;ie, many English speakers drop or elide t&#8217;s, but the operator must pronounce them clearly.</p>
<p>As people become adults they tend to adopt a sort of shorthand kind of speech and regional accent will determine which syllables get whispered, elided, and dropped.</p>
<p>There actually is a standard for no-accent American English. You don&#8217;t hear it often because it costs money to learn. (And I don&#8217;t count voicemail because the inflection used in that industry is simply bizarre. Nor do I think it maximizes comprehension.) There&#8217;s also one for Spanish&#8211;you&#8217;ll hear Columbian Spanish held up as the standard for least accent and maximum ease of comprehension across Spanish-speakers. (Mexican&#8217;s acknowledged as one of the worst.) The British situation is more confusing because of the elitism in that society&#8211;you&#8217;ve got an idea of the Oxford accent or the BBC accent, so while clarity was very important, so was branding. (The idea of looking to newscasters in the US is also somewhat problematic. NPR, for example, very definitely has its own accent.)</p>
<p>A purely regional operator can, of course, speak completely in some sort of regional patois and be completely intelligible to the intended audience unless there are some recent in-migrants in the mix. But I think even in that context, the listeners know and understand that to be their native accent (which they respond positively to) as opposed to the accent of another region (which they may dislike or simply find hard to understand) or to neutral English.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bad Bald Bastard</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002793</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bad Bald Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;As with actual jigsaw puzzles, all the pieces look too much the same. &lt;/I&gt;

Jackson Pollock jigsaw puzzles!

&lt;I&gt;Operators had no accents. My Mom’s first job ever was as an operator. Being Andalusian she spoke only Spanish till she was 10 years old but had NO accent when on the phone with customers. &lt;/I&gt;

Uhh... dude, just because you can&#039;t perceive the accent, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not there.  Dumbest comment ever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As with actual jigsaw puzzles, all the pieces look too much the same. </i></p>
<p>Jackson Pollock jigsaw puzzles!</p>
<p><i>Operators had no accents. My Mom’s first job ever was as an operator. Being Andalusian she spoke only Spanish till she was 10 years old but had NO accent when on the phone with customers. </i></p>
<p>Uhh&#8230; dude, just because you can&#8217;t perceive the accent, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not there.  Dumbest comment ever?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bad Bald Bastard</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002789</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bad Bald Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOuQcpENH74&amp;feature=fvw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hey, kids, get offa my phone!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOuQcpENH74&amp;feature=fvw" rel="nofollow">Hey, kids, get offa my phone!</a></p>
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		<title>By: GoatBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002633</link>
		<dc:creator>GoatBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like where this thread&#039;s going, Itellyawhut!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like where this thread&#8217;s going, Itellyawhut!</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sarah Palin will be the next President. She will clean house of ... bias in the media,&lt;/i&gt;

So government control of the press, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sarah Palin will be the next President. She will clean house of &#8230; bias in the media,</i></p>
<p>So government control of the press, right?</p>
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		<title>By: tigrismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigrismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It starts to get easier to persuade people that concepts like individual liberty, free enterprise and political independence — ideas that created and have sustained America — are no longer important.”&lt;/i&gt;

This reminds me of the guy Substance linked bemoaning how much we&#039;d changed since de Tocqueville&#039;s tour while forgetting most of what happened in US history and some of de T&#039;s own opinions, if wiki is to be trusted: &quot;As critic of individualism, Tocqueville thought that through associating, the coming together of people for mutual purpose, both in public and private, Americans are able to overcome selfish desires, thus making both a self-conscious and active political society and a vibrant civil society functioning independently from the state.&quot;  Heh heh heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It starts to get easier to persuade people that concepts like individual liberty, free enterprise and political independence — ideas that created and have sustained America — are no longer important.”</i></p>
<p>This reminds me of the guy Substance linked bemoaning how much we&#8217;d changed since de Tocqueville&#8217;s tour while forgetting most of what happened in US history and some of de T&#8217;s own opinions, if wiki is to be trusted: &#8220;As critic of individualism, Tocqueville thought that through associating, the coming together of people for mutual purpose, both in public and private, Americans are able to overcome selfish desires, thus making both a self-conscious and active political society and a vibrant civil society functioning independently from the state.&#8221;  Heh heh heh.</p>
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		<title>By: JD Rhoades</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002556</link>
		<dc:creator>JD Rhoades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the old days, an article like that one wouldn&#039;t have already been done ten thousand times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the old days, an article like that one wouldn&#8217;t have already been done ten thousand times.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ruppert</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002555</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Ruppert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is, you liberals are afraid that a real straight talking real American like Sarah Palin will be the next President.  She will clean house of all the Dem corruption and bias in the media, and expand freedom and free markets, also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is, you liberals are afraid that a real straight talking real American like Sarah Palin will be the next President.  She will clean house of all the Dem corruption and bias in the media, and expand freedom and free markets, also.</p>
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		<title>By: PopeRatzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>PopeRatzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a serious note, Matt Towely has some fabulous hair.

You can tell that he likes it to be &lt;i&gt;just so&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a serious note, Matt Towely has some fabulous hair.</p>
<p>You can tell that he likes it to be <i>just so</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002553</link>
		<dc:creator>The Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gawd but Towery is a buffoon:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Life starts to look like a pile of jigsaw puzzle pieces that no one is bothering to assemble into a coherent picture.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

In other words, &quot;Nobody is listening to me anymore!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gawd but Towery is a buffoon:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Life starts to look like a pile of jigsaw puzzle pieces that no one is bothering to assemble into a coherent picture.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>In other words, &#8220;Nobody is listening to me anymore!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It starts to get easier to persuade people that concepts like individual liberty, free enterprise and political independence -- ideas that created and have sustained America -- are no longer important.&quot;

This idiot and his individual liberty would have wandered out into the woods at Plymouth Colony and been eaten by wolves before the first Thanksgiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It starts to get easier to persuade people that concepts like individual liberty, free enterprise and political independence &#8212; ideas that created and have sustained America &#8212; are no longer important.&#8221;</p>
<p>This idiot and his individual liberty would have wandered out into the woods at Plymouth Colony and been eaten by wolves before the first Thanksgiving.</p>
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		<title>By: Enraged Bull Limpet</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002551</link>
		<dc:creator>Enraged Bull Limpet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave your perverse encrustaceans out of this, Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave your perverse encrustaceans out of this, Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bone of Ma Earth&lt;/i&gt;? Veiled stalagmite reference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bone of Ma Earth</i>? Veiled stalagmite reference?</p>
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		<title>By: Enraged Bull Limpet</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002549</link>
		<dc:creator>Enraged Bull Limpet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My lawn is currently goat-mown.   We originally planned to have brother limpets do the cropping, but there were problems with oxygen metabolism and lack of salinity. 
 
Also, limpets tended to cut the blades too close to the bone of Ma Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My lawn is currently goat-mown.   We originally planned to have brother limpets do the cropping, but there were problems with oxygen metabolism and lack of salinity. </p>
<p>Also, limpets tended to cut the blades too close to the bone of Ma Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mickey Kaus, 

You &lt;i&gt;certainly have a way with words&lt;/i&gt;. Wink wink; Starbursts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mickey Kaus, </p>
<p>You <i>certainly have a way with words</i>. Wink wink; Starbursts!</p>
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		<title>By: Whale Chowder (nee OneMan)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whale Chowder (nee OneMan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addre&#402;&#402; my broad&#402;heet, lib&#402;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addre&#402;&#402; my broad&#402;heet, lib&#402;!</p>
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		<title>By: I'd sign this Mickey Kaus, but we all know he's too much of a wimp to smoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'd sign this Mickey Kaus, but we all know he's too much of a wimp to smoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;he’ll probably want a cigarette.&lt;/i&gt;

Bass-ackwards. The blower will most want a cleansing smoke afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>he’ll probably want a cigarette.</i></p>
<p>Bass-ackwards. The blower will most want a cleansing smoke afterward.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey Kaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey Kaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone say &quot;give a goat a blowjob&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did someone say &#8220;give a goat a blowjob&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew N.P.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002544</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew N.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you give a goat a blowjob,...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Dude, that was one of my favorite books as a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you give a goat a blowjob,&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Dude, that was one of my favorite books as a child.</p>
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		<title>By: Poindexter Pfentwhistle, Ivy League Grad in Journalistic Studies</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/26671.html#comment-1002543</link>
		<dc:creator>Poindexter Pfentwhistle, Ivy League Grad in Journalistic Studies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....just look out for the Thag-o-mizer.  (link not provided)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..just look out for the Thag-o-mizer.  (link not provided)</p>
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