I’d also take issue with the 16 words comment you made, Gary, but I can tell by this: Bush was repeating information which was credible and still is credible. that you’re too delusional to understand what rational people know as a LIE.

How many Germans who were adults in the 1930s would admit post-WWII for supporting Hitler before the war? And yet, we know at one point he had to have majority support.

Likewise, a number of years into the future, when the full extent of Bush’s incompetence is being felt – in particular, when the economy starts tanking because of the trillions of dollars in debt Bush has rung up – do you think Gary and others of his ilk will admit to voting the man into power?

I believe the anser is: not bloody likely!

Nixon White House counselor John Dean asserted today that President Bush’s domestic spying exceeds t

Ah, Gary. Leaving aside Ken’s false dichotomy, let’s examine this “every tool available” business.

I would bet that if we allowed the government to intercept every communication, to incarcerate anybody at will and hold them indefinitely without formal charges, to intern and/or deport anybody who demonstrates a belief — or even just an unhealthy interest — in Islam, to prevent the press from printing negative stories about what’s going on in Iraq and Afghanistan, and to arrest dissenters and protesters on sedition charges… we could pretty much eliminate the threat of Islamic terrorism from our shores. (And the trains would probably run on time, too.)

So I guess we should permit all of these very effective tools in the War on Terror. And apparently, it’s Democratic treason to suggest that a President who thinks he can or should do any of these things ought to be held accountable.

As I recall, Bush swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. Instead, his administration has sought every conceivable argument to avoid Constitutional limits on presidential power. The Administration keeps slapping us across the face with its dick, and people like you say “Thank you sir, may I have another.”

Hmm… Now that I think about it, maybe you’re what Mehlman was referring to when he said “every available tool.”

Furthermore the ideology you cling to in the name of saving America and Western Civilization is actually destroying all that is good about America and the West.

Your a living tragedy. Like the republican party you’re busy destroying America in order to save it.

WAKE UP!!

GarY Ruppert

who wants america to be a christian one-party therocracy

according to what he said at atrios’s palce

Hitch first boasts to the bar that “everyone knows” that when US foreign policy follows AIPAC’s wishes it has always led to debacle, before veering off drunkenly into Clintondidit. He stops to emit a gas belch, and to quibble that, technically, it was more of a power-sharing arrangement between Sharon and Bush than the Israeli tail wagging the US dog.

After a brief bout of complaining about all the voices (in his head?) “incessantly” criticising Israeli influence on US policy, he falls fast asleep with “boredom” of the whole topic.

You know, ’cause stopping terrorists was Clinton shit, and BushCo don’t do Clinton shit. Missle defense, that’s Republican shit.

Besides, if they had stopped 9/11, then they wouldn’t have an excuse to spy on whoever they wished. Well, that worked out well for them, didn’t it?

When it comes to spying, I got this inspiring piece of mail from Ken Mehlman today:

“Dear Gary,

Terrorists are at war with our country. And we have a choice.

Either we use every tool available to fight and win the War on Terror … or we heed the calls of Democrats who would censure and impeach the President for fighting the terrorists.

Watch our new web video, “Censure? Impeachment?,” which outlines the stakes in this fight.

On September 11, the President made a solemn commitment to protect the American people. The President made his choice. And many Democrats are making theirs, calling a program to defeat al Qaeda terrorists inside the U.S. an illegal and an “impeachable offense.”

Where do you stand? Watch the video. And take action by signing our petition against repeated Democrat attempts to weaken these efforts to fight the terrorists and keep American families safe.

Sincerely,

Ken Mehlman
Chairman, Republican National Committee”

Granted, when it comes down to it, a better move would be to call the Senators, instead of a petition.

But Mehlman is 200% right when it comes to this issue.

The fact that fascism = bad is enough, and it doesn’t really matter that some of us know that there is nothing particularly fascist about so-called Islamic Fascism, since we don’t buy most of their crap anyway.

This way, people who don’t know better associate al Qaeda, and Islam in general, with fascism, and those of us who do are forced to explain why it isn’t really an apt term, and it’s a learned distinction that doesn’t compress easily into a soundbite.

Meanwhile the wingnuts are like ‘why are you defending them?’ It’s a vicious cycle.

Also, what really gets me is that the simple dichotomy – against Bush/must be for the Islamists doesn’t allow for what’s really going on:

The left in this country is fighting a two front battle:
1) against the religious nuts (and those who exploit religion and fear to further their own agenda) abroad.
and
2) against the religious nuts (and those who exploit religion and fear to further their own agenda) here.

We are trying to preserve the post-Enlightenment modern values against a tide of power mad paranoid ignoramuses.

Dammit!

You know, I’ve kind of gotten used to the droning of trolls in comment threads, much like learning to sleep with a fan or radio on. Most of it’s easy enough to tune out, but I still find this ludicrous bullshit about “Islamofascism” to be a discordant note that gets on my nerves.

Look, shit-for-brains: you are not part of the Greatest Generation Redux. Do a little research on Mussolini, Hitler, and hell, even Franco, and try to delineate the differences between their societies and a loosely organized group of religious nuts. And besides, furiously wanking in a comment thread doesn’t exactly put you on a par with Rosie the Riveter either. Even if there is an epic battle for the soul of the world going on, you’re just a dumbfounded dipshit bystander.

Maybe you and everyone else on your paintball team like puffing yourselves up by imagining yourselves saving the world from tyranny again, but you’re not fooling anyone else. Just fucking drop it already.

If he was a Cuban, he’d be railing about the counterrevolutionaries trying betraying Castro.
In North Korea, he’d report anyone who dared question Kim Jong Il’s golf score.
A Serbian, he’d be weeping at Milosivec’s coffin.

America has nothing to do with it. He automatically is loyal to whatever crook runs his country. Ideals, freedom, mean nothing to him.

That wasn’t a lie.

Bush was repeating information which was credible and still is credible.

“”Constitutional scholar” Ann Coulter does not count, foolio.”

What part of ‘the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons’ do you not understand?

That’s the law too.